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That's 12!
Before anyone gets carried away, I should point out that according to the rules suicide bombing ends the day.
I expect this game to be a complete disaster anyways, but hey, I could be pleasantly surprised.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Lynch targets should bomb instead of getting lynched, definitely. But wait for L-2 or even L-1 with someone intending to hammer. Don't assume you're the inevitable lynch just because someone whispers "bandwagon" in your general direction*cough*Xtoxm*cough*#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Exactly. Think of it like a double-lynch day except the first lynch chooses the second lynch.Crazy wrote:If they were town, then you get an extra town-directed kill; if they were scum, then they would have done that anyway.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Let's break it down.
If the person being lynched is scum, then it would be nice to stop them from bombing, but it's unlikely to work. Even if you commit to speedlynching anyone who gets to, say, L-3, scum will just bomb at L-4. And planning to speedlynch anyone who gets to L-3 is a bad plan in itself.
If the person being lynched is town, having them bomb instead of being lynched is good: it gives an extra kill which is guaranteed to be town-directed. I amnotsuggesting that the person bombs who the town wants them to bomb. We can't enforce that anyways. They'll bomb whoever they want, but at least we know it's a town player making the choice.
Add in the fact that, just on statistics, we'll probably lynch several townies before the first scum, and you can see that giving the lynched player a chance to bomb is a very good idea.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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I always try to lynch the person I think is most likely to be scum, but I accept the fact that statistically, I will be wrong more often than not (especially day 1). If you can actually get a better than 50% success rate on day 1 lynches I'd love to know your secret.Sir Tornado wrote:
Why would anyone want to lynch a person they don't think is scum?Xyl wrote:Very bad assumption.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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Huh. I did the actual math in Excel, assuming random lynches/bombs and that scum will always bomb a townie before dying. It turns out to be better to lynch rather than bomb about 2/3 of the time. So yeah, some confidence that you're going to do better than random would be good.
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0 1 2 3 4 5 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 1.00 0.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 1.00 0.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 6 1.00 0.58 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 7 1.00 0.64 0.26 0.00 0.00 0.00 8 1.00 0.64 0.19 0.00 0.00 0.00 9 1.00 0.68 0.33 0.00 0.00 0.00 10 1.00 0.71 0.41 0.14 0.00 0.00 11 1.00 0.71 0.39 0.09 0.00 0.00 12 1.00 0.74 0.45 0.19 0.00 0.00 13 1.00 0.76 0.50 0.25 0.08 0.00 14 1.00 0.76 0.49 0.23 0.05 0.00 15 1.00 0.77 0.53 0.29 0.11 0.00 0 1 2 3 4 5 3 Lynch 4 Bomb 5 Bomb Lynch 6 Lynch Lynch 7 Bomb Bomb Lynch 8 Lynch Bomb Lynch 9 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch 10 Bomb Bomb Bomb Lynch 11 Lynch Lynch Bomb Lynch Lynch 12 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch 13 Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Lynch 14 Lynch Lynch Lynch Bomb Lynch 15 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch
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Aaand correcting my math to consider nolynch as a possibility. All this assumes the scum have one nightkill and there's no power roles, so grain of salt.
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0 1 2 3 4 5 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 1.00 0.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 1.00 0.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 6 1.00 0.58 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 7 1.00 0.64 0.26 0.00 0.00 0.00 8 1.00 0.64 0.26 0.00 0.00 0.00 9 1.00 0.68 0.33 0.00 0.00 0.00 10 1.00 0.71 0.41 0.14 0.00 0.00 11 1.00 0.71 0.41 0.14 0.00 0.00 12 1.00 0.74 0.45 0.19 0.00 0.00 13 1.00 0.76 0.50 0.25 0.08 0.00 14 1.00 0.76 0.50 0.25 0.08 0.00 15 1.00 0.77 0.53 0.29 0.11 0.00 3 Lynch 4 Bomb 5 Nolynch Lynch 6 Lynch Lynch 7 Bomb Bomb Lynch 8 Nolynch Nolynch Lynch 9 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch 10 Bomb Bomb Bomb Lynch 11 Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch Lynch Lynch 12 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch 13 Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Lynch 14 Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch Lynch 15 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch
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Okay, THESE numbers should be correct.
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0 1 2 3 4 5 0 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 3 1.00 0.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 4 1.00 0.67 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 5 1.00 0.73 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 6 1.00 0.78 0.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 7 1.00 0.78 0.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 8 1.00 0.81 0.48 0.00 0.00 0.00 9 1.00 0.83 0.56 0.23 0.00 0.00 10 1.00 0.83 0.56 0.23 0.00 0.00 11 1.00 0.84 0.60 0.30 0.00 0.00 12 1.00 0.86 0.64 0.38 0.13 0.00 13 1.00 0.86 0.64 0.38 0.13 0.00 14 1.00 0.87 0.67 0.43 0.18 0.00 15 1.00 0.88 0.70 0.48 0.25 0.08 0 1 2 3 4 5 3 Bomb 4 Nolynch 5 Lynch 6 Bomb Bomb 7 Nolynch Nolynch 8 Lynch Lynch 9 Bomb Bomb Bomb 10 Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch 11 Lynch Lynch Lynch 12 Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb 13 Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch Nolynch 14 Lynch Lynch Lynch Lynch 15 Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb
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Take away the suicide bombs, give everyone an (optional) vengeful kill when they're lynched. Same balance, but it makes it harder to screw up.Although I know people will try to get themselves lynched so that they can get the vengeful kill.#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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In theory the fact that blowing yourself up when you're not about to be lynched lowers the town's chance of winning should limit the random bombings.
Part of the problem is that most players, most of the time, are more confident in their judgement than they actually should be. "I'm totally sure X is scum, so I'll bomb him and take out a scum!"#mafia@irc.globalgamers.net
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