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Is there anyhting specific you'd have me concentrate on Xyl?Xylthixlm wrote:I hope Firestarter isn't going to try to read all 56 pages.
TBH, the game has fairly motored through in the space 8 days or so, and 55 pages is quite a read..
However, I will be reading each page, but I plan to post in intervals, rather than reading the whole thing, thus creating a short story in 1 post.
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Read up to P.29.
Suspicions>> WaltWishBone, Kinetic & vIQles.. in that order.
Most likely town >> Fonz, ABR, Q21, Rofl, Pop...
Unsure >> Xyl, Seraphim, DGB..
Other reads too faint to mention.
Will continue with the reading to take me up to the most present post tomorrow.
27 pages left to read
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Ok, 24 hours have passed since my last post, and I havent gotten round to reading the 27 pages from last night.
I have however, read/skimed the 10 new pages, you guys move fast..
Kinetic got my goat in the first set of pages I read, particularly the parts where it seems he didn't read the original game, yet "had a feeling secret hurts were part of this game."
This still bugs me, even though Im getting the impression most are leaning town on him. Again, I have yet to read pages 30 - 57, something must have changed.
But that point bugs me. Sticks out.
vIQles is playing this game exactly as he did the first mini... Writing, but saying nothing.
On the last 10 pages....
I dont believe Walts dying agenda posts were pre planned.
I do believe that scum also miscalculated hurts and attempted to remove me with a lightning wagon before I made my entrance, proper, and utilising Rage hurts.
This of course, applies only if the same mechanic is involved with this game as in the first mini.
I am totally in favour of the buddy plan.. Mostly because what Ive read means Fonz is town.
Im very much in favour ofIntending to hurt Seraphim
Mostly because of what Ive read on him in the last 10 pages.
Scummy lurkerhurt, scummy after-posts.
I want to read the rest of the pages before I get heavily involved in this game, theres a big hole for me to fill, but ill do it promptly.
I understand the need to get this game motoring.('') (':') ('')-
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Im not going to be posting thoughts on the game thus far right now guys...
There is a much bigger problem to face before that...
If what I state below comes to fruition, I will then make cases on my list of scum people when needed..
A huge post containing thoughts likely to be heard before will not help right now. Ive read most of the game, but Order needs to restored before we continue.
Order is Towns friend.
10 days have passed, and 4 townies are dead...
Sorry, but thats scandalous.
Ive re-assessed what I stated about Fonz plan in an earlier post....
1st off...
Fonz idea of the buddy plan, one has a case, and the other likes it enough to join in. It will not win the game for town. Its more likely to aide scum imo.
*Scum concocts a valid case on a town member playing poorly. Town member jumps on board. Town member recieves hurt.
*Town member makes convincing case against another Town member. Opportunistic Scum jumps on board. Another Town member recieves hurt.
*Town member makes convincing case against another town member.
Town member jumps on board. Townmember receives hurt.
At this point, I think its more than likely that more Townmembers will get stung with this system than scum will, given the percieved numbers.
Given that the mechanic in this game is most likely similar to the first mini, Rage points prove to be a real pain in the ass right now, regardless of time spent in game.
One of the powers we all have is being completly overlooked here, and scum are laughing up their sleeves at town.
The power I speak of?
HEAL!!!!!
The said Town members who recieved hurts through Fonz' system are now sitting ducks to be murdered.
Scum rape disorganised town, and eventually win.
We seriously need to reassess this system....
No, we seriously need to ditch this system.
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At this very point, it seems scum may have used up what rage points they had, and do not have the power to secretly hurt further until they recharge.
Now is the time to use Heal powers on everyone bar the scummiest.
How do we assess who is the scummiest?
Simple... Fake Votecounts.
How on Earth this was overlooked is amazing imo...
Scum really got their way early on in this game, enough to allow another plan to wrangle its way in.
Im not claiming that Fonz is scum, nor am I ruling it out, due to said plan, but a re-think is needed.
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I would like everyone to vote on which plan to use, as the first time around, I dont recall such a vote taking place.
I would also like to hear why each player has chosen one or the other plan.
15 players left....
12 voting should do.
I would like to see the Fake Votecount re-introduced
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1. Funnily enough, the first plan used was the most succesful. The 2nd plan is currently town destructive.WeyounsLastClone wrote: 1.Guys, have you looked at our track record lately? 5 kills, of which only 1 is scum. I think with my plan there's a high probability to hit scum. Offering 1 possible townie to catch 1 scum is okay in my opinion.
2.What I really fear that if we keep killing people by concensus one by one, it will be scum really controlling the kills. I know it'd hurt to lose another townie, but the way we're going now isn't getting us anywhere.
3.@Firestarter: please don't bring the voting system back, it was hard enough to let tajo drop it. It turned out it wouldn't work here, although it's a good idea. It doesn't have enough supporters, let it rest.
4.@ DGB, at the moment my top 5 scum would rate:
1) ABR
2) rofl
3) tajo
4) Fonz
5) Firestarter
2. The current plan is NOT done with general concensus.
3. The voting plan did work. Used once, caught scum.
4. Reasons as to why Im on your list please?
5. Did you read my inital post about reintroducing the fake votecount?
What are your thoughts on the various "events" I listed that are more likely to happen with the current buddy plan?
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@ Q21.. I take it then, your not in favour of the fake votecount. Yay or nay?
@ ABR... I take it thats a no then.
Please outline, in your own words, why the current plan is better given the reasons why I dislike it.
@ DGB... Please explain why my first post this evening (Where I am) is "Bizarre"?
Everyone Else
Please choose a system.('') (':') ('')-
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I understand the points you make.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Very simple, Firestarter. The voting system will result in a deadlock with equal players on each side.
The benefits of the current plan are:
1) it stops us from being in complete anarchy
2) it is easily enforceable (no need to wait for vote counts, no need to wait for every player to weigh in)
3) any abuse in the system can be spotted and dealt with
4) it keeps the game moving without the fallen accumulating too much rage
Given the lurkers / people without strong opinions, it would be too hard to establish a majority of players agreeing, and it would take too long.
Also, discussing a change of plan at this point sidetracks us from catching scum and stalls the game, which is what we want to avoid at all cost as I just mentioned.
But this current plan is not ideal at all.
Lurkers will remain lurkers until outed/dead. They will not have much input into whatever plan is utilised unless they are lurker scum, and jump on opportunisticly, again, if a good case is presented on a poor town player, this can be easily overlooked.
I would like to see a change, at the very least, in the current method being used.
I propose that 3 players need to be on any mini wagon for Hurt to happen.
The active players in this game, are likely not all town, and if scum has a strong opinion, they can jump onto whatever mini wagon suits them.
With another player needed to agree on any case, its harder for scum to influence, and in the event that a townie is lynched, its easier to spot the common denominator.
We do need to change the system, albeit not as drastically as I first proposed.
Can I get concensus on this at least?
And again, we're only 10 days in.('') (':') ('')-
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My argument that some town think other town are scum is backed up by the last 4 deaths.The Fonz wrote:Firestarter wrote:1st off...
Fonz idea of the buddy plan, one has a case, and the other likes it enough to join in. It will not win the game for town. Its more likely to aide scum imo.
*Scum concocts a valid case on a town member playing poorly. Town member jumps on board. Town member recieves hurt.*Town member makes convincing case against another Town member. Opportunistic Scum jumps on board. Another Town member recieves hurt.
Your argument appears to be the following. Some town people think some other town people are scum.*Town member makes convincing case against another town member.
Town member jumps on board. Townmember receives hurt.
Why? All you've demonstrated is that town can get hurt if people can make a convincing case for them being scum. Town can also get lynched if people make a convincing case for them being scum.At this point, I think its more than likely that more Townmembers will get stung with this system than scum will, given the percieved numbers.
My main point when speaking of the hurts taken by mini wagons is that it leaves town members open to those said Rage points.
Whats happening is that different players are taking hurts here and there, and eventually, scum will win through the use of rage points.
In fairness, Ive dropped my inital thinking on changing the plan quickly.
3 should be the minimum amount of players required to hurt from here on imo.
Which brings me to my next point nicely...
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Cybele made little posts, and I cannot add anything from what he wrote.
The following are thoughts/suspicions/quotes of WLC.
Confident Talk...WeyounsLastClone wrote:Also, we shouldn't treat it as a regular game because scum can talk all the time here and adjust and discuss their behavior to what happens in game."On the Hoopla wagon, and tries to talk down any turn around in Hoopla fortunes, that he may survive the wagon.
On the Walt wagon, and again talks down to anyone not willing to jump on said wagon.
Pops the head in when some juicy action is taking place, lurker scummish imo.
Although both dead showed scummy behaviour, WLC's insistence on lynching both of them sticks out like a sore thumb.
This is bad acting imo...
There are alot of inaccuracies in this post, as outlined in one of my earlier ones.WeyounsLastClone wrote:I get the feeling with our first kill getting a scum quite easily, and now killing townies one by one, we were tricked to 'feel safe' day one, and that it was just a masterplan by scum. In that case, I guess scum were onto Shinnen, but kept in the background during the next lynches.
I see at least 2 players are already in favour of hurting WLC.WeyounsLastClone wrote:Guys, have you looked at our track record lately? 5 kills, of which only 1 is scum. I think with my plan there's a high probability to hit scum. Offering 1 possible townie to catch 1 scum is okay in my opinion.
What I really fear that if we keep killing people by concensus one by one, it will be scum really controlling the kills. I know it'd hurt to lose another townie, but the way we're going now isn't getting us anywhere.
@Firestarter: please don't bring the voting system back, it was hard enough to let tajo drop it. It turned out it wouldn't work here, although it's a good idea. It doesn't have enough supporters, let it rest.
@ DGB, at the moment my top 5 scum would rate:
1) ABR
2) rofl
3) tajo
4) Fonz
5) Firestarter
Hurt: WeyounsLastClone
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It looks like the latter in my opinion.The Fonz wrote:Question to everyone: do you feel the Shinnen hurt on rofl is likely distancing, or genuine attempt to harm an antagonist?
Shinnen attacks Rofl in several of her posts.
Shinnen was advocating discussion in the main which allows for delaying tactics, and rofl's slaughter tactics seemed to be getting to Shinnen.
However, I think theres more likely a case of distancing from Seraphim from what I see in Shinnens isolated posts.
What stance are we taking with unilateral actions..
Single helas/hurts should not go unpunished.
Can we clear this up..?('') (':') ('')-
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Well, mostly because there has been such instances of these type actions, and for all the talk about NOT having players do this, there has been no such repercussions on the culprits.DrippingGoofball wrote:
My attempt to heal Kinetic failed on account on an error on my part. But no one talked of punishing me for tryingFirestarter wrote:What stance are we taking with unilateral actions..
Single helas/hurts should not go unpunished.
Why bring this up now, I wonder. Besides, I approve of a Xyl heal.
Rofl is on a tangent of destruction, and as pointed out already, the aim is not the best.
I myself, for whatever reason (possibly scum opportunism) have recieved damage on a par with the lowest hurt players.
I would like a recharge to take me away from a Rage threshold.
Are you objecting to having a stance on the unilateral hurts/heals DGB?('') (':') ('')-
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Its not a problem...The Fonz wrote:
No. But the problem is, you then need to get support to enforce it.Firestarter wrote:
It looks like the latter in my opinion.The Fonz wrote:Question to everyone: do you feel the Shinnen hurt on rofl is likely distancing, or genuine attempt to harm an antagonist?
Shinnen attacks Rofl in several of her posts.
Shinnen was advocating discussion in the main which allows for delaying tactics, and rofl's slaughter tactics seemed to be getting to Shinnen.
However, I think theres more likely a case of distancing from Seraphim from what I see in Shinnens isolated posts.
What stance are we taking with unilateral actions..
Single helas/hurts should not go unpunished.
Can we clear this up..?
3 players can support a hurt punishment on anyone going outside the boundry we put up.
Similar to the way hurts are dished out.('') (':') ('')-
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Anyone stepping outside a boundry after it has been enforced, in my eyes, is anti-town.The Fonz wrote:No.
It would be individually giving up your hurt for 24hrs at a time, so that any player who hurt unilaterally would be similarly hurt. (obviously, if someone actually needs to hurt, we move onto the next enforcer on the list).
For the alternate suggestion to work, we need everyone to commit to a 24 hour watch, and that they will go ahead with the said counter-hurt.
If we can get all active players to agree, fine.
# Albert B. Rampage
# Drench Firestarter
# DrippingGoofball
# Giuseppe
# Nuwen
# populartajo
# q21
# roflcopter
# Seraphim
# Tenchi
# The Fonz
# vIQleS
# WeyounsLastClone
# Xylthixlm
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What about players currently under high suspicion??('') (':') ('')-
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They may not seem to be a problem, but especially with unsupported hurts, they WILL BE the longer the game goes on.DrippingGoofball wrote:
I don't think unsupported hurts/heals are that much of a problem. To enforce it with death would removes flexibility in our play, slow us down, etc. I think it should be a case-by-case basis. No unsupported actions should be a guideline, not some rule blindly enforced with an iron fist.Firestarter wrote:Are you objecting to having a stance on the unilateral hurts/heals DGB?
Particularly if no heals are offered up.
If we have some sort of system in place, its entirely better than whats there at the moment... zilch..
The Fonz wrote:Well, I'm fully charged, and don't particularly like any of the viable wagons. So I'll go first. Please type /in to enforce if wishing to be added to the rota./in('') (':') ('')-
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Currently we seem to have set 3 players to support a Hurt.Giuseppe wrote:I have to say, I find DGB's idea a bit better in a perfect world, but it's a bit idealistic. I think if we could get a group of people who present the CounterHurt unit, then we could leave the rest of the town to their devises.
Maybe, say, three or four people who would dedicate their hurts to dealing with unilateral action?
If someone violates this, then they recieve a counter hurt from the assigned counter hurt unit.
If the nominated Counter Hurt Player fails in his duty, or hurts/heals elsewhere, then they should be open to punishment.
Im off for the evening guys, grabbing some popcorn and watching the truman Show.
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NP's.The Fonz wrote:Right, firestarter. You're on after me, so don't hurt in the seven or so hours between becoming able to hurt and going on duty.
I think a list is essential.
+1The Fonz wrote:No. It's attempting to stop random damage, whilst allowing wagons with decent support to still hurt without requiring consensus.
Besides, you can still hurt without support. I'm just going to hurt you the second you do.
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3 players must support a Hurt/Heal.
Loners will be counter Hurt if they feel the need to go it alone.
Anyone else wanting to participate please add the list to your next post, and include your name in order.('') (':') ('')-
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HURT: WeyounsLastCloneTarget is already at 0 HP. Action unspent. Flay
Im not going to be around until about 10PM tomorrow evening (28 hours from now), I can then sanction a hurt on the latest offender due to the rulings we set up yesterday.
But Im going to use this hurt on who I suspected last time, and has plenty of support on. I do not want to let it waste.
Guys, why is so hard for you to grasp the concept of the 3 support rule??
Its fairly easy to understand.
It does not require a mass concensus, thus doe not waste as much time as a fake votecount.
It requires at least 3 players to support hurting.
And any factions containing scum will be easier to spot. Seriously, with rage points, this is the only method worth using.
I like the idea of a fake votecount, but as pointed out earlier to me, time does not allow this to be effective.
There are too many lurkers, too many people stalling, and scum are laughing up their sleeves.
Rofl, you've critisced this plan for the last 9 pages or so, and we now have Q21 and Tenchi poking their heads in to again change the current plan.
This is the real fuck up if you ask me, the real stalling on the game.
My advice is to get a fucking case together, present it, and if it is a good case, it will recieve more than just the 3 players needed.
So far, there are players only arguing about the system being used.
And NOT trying to build a case.
Its purely anti-town, no more and no less.
So again, for the ones wanting to ignore/stall/do anything but want to catch scum/build a case..
BUILD A FUCKING CASE!!!
The only restriction is you need 3 players in total for support..
It cannot be any fucking clearer..('') (':') ('')-
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Ok, Note to self....
Read all posts before posting what Ive just written...
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What system are we using??
This is not helping us to find scum.
Too much bickering about strategy.
Can we decide on one we are going to use, how long we are going to use it for, and clear rulings.
When I say clear rulings, I mean anyone being anti-town gets raped!!!('') (':') ('')-
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It would be nice to have those back alright..DrippingGoofball wrote:Players that owe Firestarter a heal:
# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, The Fonz (4) Healed by: (0)
On a side note...
The bolded part is directed at Fonz & Seraphim...Firestarter wrote:I dont believe Walts dying agenda posts were pre planned.
I do believe that scum also miscalculated hurts and attempted to remove me with a lightning wagon before I made my entrance, proper, and utilising Rage hurts.
This of course, applies only if the same mechanic is involved with this game as in the first mini.
For clarification purposes, if/when WLC is dead/dies, I intend going after Seraphim.
The Fonz wrote:Yep, Drenchhurting seems a good way to go.
Call hurt on DrenchSeraphim wrote:Hurt: Drench
Lurker hunt go go go.The Fonz wrote:Hurt: Drench('') (':') ('')-
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Honestly speaking.. we cannot ignore dead townies words, because they were the only confirmed town we know of.
In the case of Juls... IMO, she didn't bother to play the game properly.
Why anyone would dovetail another is beyond me, unless they were scum, I can see why she got lynched.
Rofl, counting on a dead town player can be a good thing, particularly if said town player made valid cases, scumhunted, on their own volition.
In this case, she merely followed someone else, and that someone is far far away from being confirmed town... ABR,
Sorry, this time, you dont get the benefit of the doubt.
Juls was anti-town, and ABR's play is far from townish...('') (':') ('')-
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Walt has more credibility, but who's to say he was right?roflcopter wrote:
so how do you feel about walt wishbone's opinions?Firestarter wrote:Honestly speaking.. we cannot ignore dead townies words, because they were the only confirmed town we know of.
In the case of Juls... IMO, she didn't bother to play the game properly.
Why anyone would dovetail another is beyond me, unless they were scum, I can see why she got lynched.
Rofl, counting on a dead town player can be a good thing, particularly if said town player made valid cases, scumhunted, on their own volition.
In this case, she merely followed someone else, and that someone is far far away from being confirmed town... ABR,
Sorry, this time, you dont get the benefit of the doubt.
Juls was anti-town, and ABR's play is far from townish...
Rofl, make your case, and garner support after that please.
This is really getting nowhere, and guess what?
Its more stalling.('') (':') ('')-
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From a general POV, yes, it is more stalling, because your current way of playing the game is the main hold up.roflcopter wrote: as the only person here who has hurt on the hour literally every time i have been capable, i take offense to the accusation of stalling
You've dismissed every plan devised so far, and in fairness, you've helped majorly in the assassination of 4 townies.
Yes, you've hurt, big deal...
That does not mean you aren't stalling the game.
Alot of players have argued the plans, but your the most consistent, and most non-compliant.
I stated it earlier, Order is towns friend.('') (':') ('')-
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I have an inkling that vIQles is scum... Im not sure yet howeverroflcopter wrote:i really, really disagree with anyone who thinks viqles is scum. just re-read shinnen's absolutely crap attacks against him and you'll see why.
I played the original, and he played this way, then.
After our next targets have been reduced to mere ashes, I will inspect vIQles further, and in particular, Shinnens attacks.('') (':') ('')-
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Possibly, since I didn't see it until after I posted... timestamp!populartajo wrote:
is this too much, fire?populartajo wrote:
and not only fonz, i want the voters to support their vote with an explanationpopulartajo wrote:
she was obv scummy. gimme somethin new.The Fonz wrote:Shinnen was scummy.('') (':') ('')-
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Ive a feeling Rage may be accumulated through not hurting in thread, or hurting as little as possible...
And both Giuseppe and Tenchi have hurt little.
Giuseppe: 2 Hurts on Juls (Town) & 1 Hurt on Tenchi (Bussing?)
1 heal on Xyl.
Tenchi: 1 Heal on Poptajo & 1 Hurt on Xyl (Possibly 2 with SWORD in text)
Im going after one of these, more likely Tenchi at this moment.
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Im looking at these 2 because of the recent interaction between them.
Both have a combined hurt count of 3 between them in thread, from 110 pages or so???
I have not made a list of how many hurts each player has dished out, maybe someone who has some time right now can????
Intent to Hurt either: Tenchi or Giuseppe.('') (':') ('')-
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Sorry DGB, my excitement at breaking this wide open got the better of me...DrippingGoofball wrote:
And should I reveal who I watched??? No reaction to my last post???Firestarter wrote:Pop, no reaction to my last post???
Opinion please...
Would revealing who you watched clear them?
Post away.
And while we're at it, reactions to my "Rage theory" post please...('') (':') ('')-
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I got on earlier due to stopping off at my bro's house, and now Im back earlier than anticipated.
I like Nuwens PBPA on ABR.
I stated earlier that given a choice between Nuwen and Rofl, that I'd consider Nuwen more scum than the former.
But the interaction between ABR & Nuwen has been quite enlightening to say the least.
Im liking ABR for scum, due mostly to Nuwens PBPA, and ABR's massively contradictory posts.
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 pm
This is pretty definite...Albert B. Rampage wrote:I no longer support to kill Seraphim.
Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:49 pm
This is sneaky, very sneaky hurt of Seraphim.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You don't believe DGB's claim that Xyl didn't use any rage?roflcopter wrote:i'm still killing xyl
Hurt: Seraphim
The last post, where ABR HURTS Seraphim is reminiscent of a bus, to look town after a scum gets lynched.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Because according to the vote count, Seraphim is the vote leader.Tenchi wrote:Why does ABR get away with hurting Seraphim?
I believe that Seraphim is scum, and combined with Nuwens case, I also think ABR is scum.
My third choice is Tenchi right now..
I voted him top of my list earlier today, but with ABR's movement and Hurting Seraphim before a concensus was fully agreed upon, he's fallen down my pecking order.
I do believe that theres an alternative mechanic in place in this game, whether it is what I suggested earlier, or just that scum recieve a higher dossage of scum points, or something completely different, Tenchi has hit the road hard since the rage outburst, and imo, scum are sensing victory.
Tenchi, you've been very quiet until the rage outburst, and you are coming on alot more strongly than previously...
RE: DGB & Xyl...
This game is larger, and by all accounts, we may have bigger numbers of each kind of angel in the game.
Id go along with us having more Ophanim in this game, we had 2 in the mini, so I think that 3 is an extreme possibilty in this one.
Unless another Ophan claims somehow, Im taking DGB's claim, and clearing him, and Xyl, for now.
Of course, if there is another ophan, or indeed, ONLY 1 more that has not claimed, then Im not advocating him to come out only to get slaughtered by the scum and their rage points. But if there is, then DGB & Xyl are threatening the result of this game, in favour of scum obviously.
Seraphimremains most scumlike in my eyes, just ahead of ABR, and if needed, a PBPA will follow...
Rofl.. Im really really confused about right now...
Q21.. In the first game we both played in, you were one of the louder voices, and did not remain in the shadows as much as you are in this one.
I went after you in that game, as you did me, and your defence was very good, it turned out you were town.
Im not getting the same vibes this time around, you seem to be content with offering a few posts here and there, but substance-wise, not alot.
Pop.. Seems Town to me right now, as doesthe Fonz.
Giuseppe... well, Im leaning scum on you...
If Tenchi is scum, Im kinda thinking that you are 2, due to the last interaction between you both.
In saying that, my top 3 right now are as follows >>>
1.Seraphim
2.ABR
3.Tenchi
Ill offer support to any of the 3 being lynched, favourably in my order would be ideal.('') (':') ('')-
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Sorry, but Im attacking both your play and your timing.Tenchi wrote:
Again, I will ask: Would you rather me be quiet for an X number of days/hours after the rage outburst to voice my suspicions to not look scummy?Firestarter wrote: Tenchi, you've been very quiet until the rage outburst, and you are coming on alot more strongly than previously...
Please attack what I say, not the timing.
So far we've caught 1 scum member.
That leaves us with possibly 4, maybe 5?
Regardless, its nearing endgame, and you, you have been quiet for so long...
You, who has only casted their first hurt several pages ago....
Are now playing a different style of game.
Your play & TIMING is whats bugging me Tenchi....
Whay did you not scumhunt for 90 pages?('') (':') ('')-
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It isn't so much your post rate, its your style of play this game Q21.q21 wrote:My post rate last game = 1.8 post/day
My post rate this game = 8 posts/day
I'mnotplaying slowly, other people are posting like rabid monkeys chained to keyboards. I approve of the game rate and try to keep up, but I just don't have the time to make 200 - 300+ posts in 12 days.
As for remaining is the shadows: I've made cases and pushed them. I've stuck to my beliefs on who is scum and have done my best to hunt scum within whatever system the town is currently playing with.
I dont have alot to go on with you at the moment, and if anything, I'd be leaning neutral on you.
I added you into my post as to include everyone playing.
I have bigger fish to fry right now, but I did note the difference in playstlye this game to last.('') (':') ('')-
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No, because Im assuming your scum because of your sudden interest.Tenchi wrote:
My change of play style would also make sense if you assume I am Town. We are being bombarded with rage. I have not helped too much. And my suspects are slipping below the radar.Firestarter wrote: Regardless, its nearing endgame, and you, you have been quiet for so long...
You, who has only casted their first hurt several pages ago....
Are now playing a different style of game.
Again, would you rather have that I was "consistent" in being quiet?
Your play, regardless of any story you tell, has been pretty anti-town, as so much as not posting a case, hardly, and posting incomplete thoughts... (See Tenchi Notes). There were no conclusions, and generally of no help.
You did not post on the 23rd, 25th, 26th & 27th.
Yet I see little of substance from the posts you made on the 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 24th, 28th, 29th and part of the 30th.
6 posts on the 28th.
11 posts on the 29th
5 posts on the 30th.
AND 65 posts on the 31st, and counting...
Its not that you may have been away for a week, its what you've done when you could post... NOWT.
Even after the week you say you were away for, nothing substantial..
But after the Rage Outburst.. BANG!!!
Posting frenzy.('') (':') ('')-
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Tenchi wrote:
I was discussing theory with you guys and suspected Hoopla. And preparing for the conference.Firestarter wrote:
The game is running for nearly 2 weeks now, what of the other week (almost)?
This was posted on the 19th.... 1 week takes you to the 26th.Tenchi wrote:I will be posting sparingly in the coming week.
Plus you were able to post during that first week.('') (':') ('')-
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Im heading to my bed right now.
If someone can collect data of who has healed who, it might be a start to uncovering scum.
I want to crack this rage shit before it kills us.
I came up with one theory on how rage points are accumulated, and I believe Xyl mentioned another.
Another way they could be garnered is through scum healing other players first.
If such a list is posted, I can investigate it tomorrow.
Right now, Seraphim must die.
He is scum and should not be allowed to continue.
Seraphim, you called for a case from me, Ill duley have one tomoorow for you, I supported other valid cases against you, but Ill have my case as promised.
In the meantime, practice what you preach, and offer up a case on your latest target.('') (':') ('')-
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Tenchi, open your god damned eyes.... read the thread, whatever...Tenchi wrote:I am not clearing DGB just because of his claim.
DGB and Xyl have got to be the same side for me.
They are either clever scum or townsfolk.
The last game had Ophans on the good side ONLY, there is no need for Scum Ophans.
I asked for someone to soft claim or at least leave a hint they were an ophan, and I have not seen anything.
Im thinking they are town based on this.('') (':') ('')-
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Seraphim.. Ive already stated that Ive supported attacks on you made by others. This was system that we have all used, including you.Seraphim wrote:
Great offense BTW, similar to Rofl!Firestarter wrote:Because I said so...
Great defence BTW, similar to Shinnens!!
Please, at least put a case up to stop your lynch rather than crying like a baby..
Im not scum, Im not scum.... etc, etc...
Doesn't wash for me.
I dont have time to do a PBPA on you right now, Ill do it tomorrow as promised, and if your still with us.('') (':') ('')-
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A Metatron??
A scribe?
Pop, you posted Flays post above...
Should we now consider that scum have an ophan???
I may also add a 'Bodyguard' type that would protect from secret attacks, again for a certain length of time.Of course, they would be detectable by Ophanim...
What Ophanim do we know of?
DGB?
Scum or Town?
Our next lynch is vital...
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I can hurt again in about 5.5 hours time.('') (':') ('')-
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You know what... Im thinking now that they are, we now have a valid reason, I think, that scum possess an Ophan... To find a metatron.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Bullshit.Xylthixlm wrote:3. The scum were trying to finish off DGB (before my heal).
Tenchi didn't believe DGB's claim and suspected her.
DGB AND XYLTHIXLM ARE SCUM.('') (':') ('')-
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Im ordering everyone off the Seraphim lynch now!!
Time to think now....
Earlier, and from the previous game, there was no need for scum to have an Ophan in their ranks.
But now that we have a Metatron, that seemingly protects players from hurt, its very very likely that scum have an ophan with them.
We have DGB, who cleared Xyl, and I took it for what it was then.
But not now, with the knowledge from Tenchi's death.
Seraphim has acted scummy, as has most of the dead townies, but they've been townies nonetheless....
I think we need to remove DGB, and if my theory is correct.. Xyl follows.
Guys, think long and hard about our next move here, it's likely our last if we get it wrong.
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Im all for bumping off Seraphim, but not before either Xyl or DGB guys....
Think about it, the mechanic in this game, how much rage has been used thus far.
So far...
Dead Townies=More dead townies.
And we've all missed with our recent attempts, and some!!
Seraphim is not town for me BTW.... I never said that.
I want this Ophan claim sorted first.
Regardless of whether its DGB or Xyl first.
Thinking about it,ifXyl turns up town, DGB may be, so leaving the claimed power role until the 2nd lynch is probs the best idea here.
I cannot hurt until 1:30am, my time, which is Hours from now.
So, if Seraphim dies first, I just hope it does not trigger more rage..
Pop is pushing really hard to have Seraphim killed, like we all did before Tenchi got axed.
But I think you all agree on the changing situation with our Ophan claim now... It looks dodgy, yet Pop is basically ignoring it in pursuit of Seraphim.
I like Seraphim as scum, but something feels off about the order things are going in right now.
I pray to my God that if we take Seraphim out, we still have time to go after the Ophan claim...('') (':') ('')-
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Firestarters thoughts on this game were very different before Tenchi's death...q21 wrote:Firestarter's play since Tenchi's death has been worrying. He went from hurting Serpahim and arguing against stalling to trying to shut the Seraphim lynch down... ie. stalling.
Possibly bussing his scumbuddy until he realised that the rest of the team had been blown open. Although, that makes one wonder why he would change target to DGB - better bus maybe?
Just thoughts, no concrete reads on him as yet.
Read my posts again Q.....
You'll find Im not opposed to a Seraphim lynch at all... never in fact.
I merely have a big problem now with the DGB & Xyl Ophan-clearing claim.
As do you in a previous post... Remember this??
So Q, you think Im scum now for changing my opinion on proceedings??q21 wrote:As much as I itch to know what the Metatron role did, there's no way to find out now and it doesn't actually matter. The important point is that it proves that there are roles beyond what are described in the beginning. This means there is cause to suspect the existence of a scum Ophan.
Go for it...
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How could I stall it? I merely asked everyone to think about their next move, while also giving my thoughts on the DGB Ophan Claim/Xyl being cleared by it.q21 wrote:Never claimed that you had said were opposed to it, rather that you'd tried to stall it after complaining about stalling before Tenchi's death. I agree with you on DGB/Xyl, as you pointed out later in this post, but there was no reason to stop hurting Seraphim.
It was out of my hands... I am currently in recharge state, and if I had got Hurt to use, it would have went the way of Seraphimafterdiscussing that I wanted DGB or Xyl first. I made no secret of this.
But I cannot get the DGB/Xyl claim out of my head.
The Metatron being introduced makes me feel really certain that at least 1 Ophan, is fallen.('') (':') ('')-
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And the very next line reads???Firestarter wrote:Im ordering everyone off the Seraphim lynch now!!
Time to think now....
Earlier, and from the previous game, there was no need for scum to have an Ophan in their ranks.
But now that we have a Metatron, that seemingly protects players from hurt, its very very likely that scum have an ophan with them.
We have DGB, who cleared Xyl, and I took it for what it was then.
But not now, with the knowledge from Tenchi's death.
Seraphim has acted scummy, as has most of the dead townies, but they've been townies nonetheless....
I think we need to remove DGB, and if my theory is correct.. Xyl follows.
Guys, think long and hard about our next move here, it's likely our last if we get it wrong.
INTENT TO HURT & VOTE: DGB
BTW, dont forget about the lynching of a metatron....
I dont want to think your ignoring this.....
I think its pretty important.('') (':') ('')-
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Im in complete agreement with this.Nuwen wrote: Can we just kill him already? Rofl has been allowed free reign in this game for too long, and it probably cost us the win. Next game, I'm not allowing loose canon players to hop around and muck up the game with their idiocy.
How on earth has rofl been allowed to do this time and time again, throughout the death of every townie???
Not only that, but this game is almost over, and he has shown NO remorse for his hurting ways whatsoever.
Im supporting a hit on rofl...
And if he does come up town, which lets face it, his play suggests anything but, then at least we do not have a loose cannon at Lylo, if thats were we are at that stage of the game. This is purely alternatate speculation, Rofl is more scum than ever with this latest crazy hurt.
However...
Im in the middle of creating a Hurt/Heal list.
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