Robot Chicken Mafia - Game Over

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OMG HAI GAIS

Vote: ZazieR

. Capitals go near the front, not the very back.

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Vote: Llamafluff

Any reasoning?

Unvote: Llama
Vote: hp [leaves]

Any reasoning there?

Unvote

. I agree with kloud's idea, and I might volunteer to keep track of FoSs. I will endevour to get a count up when I get home, as I have 1 and a half minutes now.

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I follow my word.

Unofficial FoS Count #1

hp [leaves] - 1 - ZazieR
xRECKONERx - 1 - ZazieR

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K. So zwet has apparently claimed. Which is

nice

. Note the italics.

Zwet's claim in its entirety was "kill me now". To me, that isn't really a claim. That's more like a tentative speech. Who knows what he was trying to say? I know it's zwet, but if he really wanted the town to be helped by his death, would it kill him to spill the beans? Would it?

Unvote, Vote Zwet

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How do you get that I'm a noob from having 2500 posts on this site, lixyl? I'm Ryan Seacrest, from Seacrest Out, and the WIFOM you can now behold in Emptyger's argument.

Dude! This guy is hilarious!

Contribute kthx? What do you think about zwet's claim? What do you think about reckoner's behavior and bandwagoning?

On the subject on reckoner's behavior (since I haven't given my opinion yet, I've just remembered), I think that switching your vote multiple times with no reason and one explicitly stated to be for bandwagoning purposes a teensy bit scummy. I'm concerned about this, but I'd rather deal with zwet today and take a closer look at reckoner tomorrow.

Besides, Drench needs to look what the 'R' means

Just tell me, please. Pretty please.

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Sorry for not being here last few days, many things came up in MeatWorld, and while this put no limit on my low-maintenance commitments, it put strain on the high-maintenance commitments. I apologize for not informing you guys beforehand. I'm going to do a quick reread, and respond accordingly.

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Parental intervention means a post will have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry.

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Drench tries to look helpful with the FoS count offer after the Mod has alread posted one.

I honestly didn't see it. The vote-count wasn't present at the time of my first post on that page, and this information stuck with me to when I made said FoS count.

Drench isn't reading yet again. Zwet claimed death miller, not just "kill me now". Also, nice wagon hop.

Conceded in part. I don't see how you got that 'wagon hop' part in. At that time I was voting Zazie - a completely random vote. How switching a vote from a random target to a scummy one is beyond me.

Case on Drench:
First serious post, asks Zwet and Reck for reasons on votes and offers to keep track of FoS's for Kloud's plan. Looks like he is trying to appear protown more than actually scumhunt.

So what you just said in the first sentence doesn't count for the purposes of the second?

Gives the FoS count after the Mod has already done so. More looking protown and shows he hasn't read everything.

See above.

Votes Zwet which several people did, but I think scum would want to take this opportunity, so it's a minor scum point. Also shows he hasn't been reading again by asking Zwet to "spill the beans" after he's pretty much explained as much as he can.

See above also.

Calls Reck scummy, but says he'd rather deal with Zwet. Why tunnel on Zwet?

In case you didn't see it, zwet kindly asked us to 'kill him now'. You say I haven't been reading and yet you miss this?

Also, I've noticed something odd with Reck that I'll address when I get home. 1 minute left here.

Also, 5 total posts. Lurker.

The thing I've noticed about how I act in games is that I tend to contribute less in large groups, and my input gradually increases as the number of players decreases. Hate to use an excuse, but it's true. Go look at my (one) game where I got to endgame, and compare with the games I didn't. Then, go to CC and look at IB's SSBM Smalltown, and compare.

So, in conclusion, I don't understand the case KMD has on me at all. It sounds to me a bit like someone grasping at straws for a lynch.

To KMD: Obviously, you still believe your case holds weight. Could you phrase it differently in a way as to let us see it from a different angle?

As I said above, more when I get home.

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Firstly, an overview of what's happened since Daybreak:

3 kills. One by lead eggs, one by sucking of the brain, and one with a simple knife. People speculate over proponents of death, etc. KMD puts a case on me, Reck immediately jumps on with an FoS. I explain why I'm not a fan of Reck's actions, this one being one of the main ones, below. Next page, LF questions my case, Slicey agrees, Reck says he's just jumping on bandwagons that he sees the logic in (another thing to keep in mind...), back and forth between Reck and Kloud, jazz hypothesizes about the setup, lights down, curtain, applause.

Reading through, I have a very serious problem with Reck. Let's look at this post he made near the start of D2.

That was... a lot to handle, kmd.

Now that we know Zwet was scum, I feel like I can start playing smarter. It doesn't excuse my scummy behavior in D1, but I promise you it is more inexperience than it is me being scummy. I didn't realize how scummy Drench was acting all along, though I still do have my suspicions about hp from earlier. My FoS on Tyger was not well thought out at all, I just thought his willingness to jump off of the person he said he thought should be voted out to vote someone else out without a good (at least IMO) reason was scummy.

That being said... FoS: Drench until he shows up to explain himself.

Now, look at this.

Notice how he doesn't even slip a mention of me. No, rather, he calls me protown. Nothing more, nothing less. A complete 180. Now, also notice he's the only person (apart from KMD) who finds said case to hold weight. Take note also of D1 and his actions there. To briefly summarize: vote hopping, vote hopping, no reasoning, bandwagoning, vote hopping. I don't know about you guys, but that combined with the other evidence presented, makes Reck a scummy man.

HoS: Reck

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Catching up. Notes on each player under fire:

Reck: Reck's been jumping on bandwagons left, right and center. First off: Why do you feel the need to change votes so rapidly? Why is every case better than the last? Just now, in post 276, he voted EmpTyger. This is approximately 12 hours since Jazzmyn placed the first vote on him. What's more, Reck doesn't provide any reasoning. He doesn't even say he agrees with a particular line of reasoning, he just votes Emp. Reck: What is your reasoning (in your own words) for voting EmpTyger? Drench is suspicious.

Slicey: Slicey has come under fire for comparing Reck's play to Slicey's first game, where he was town. First off: how is it a guarantee that your play and his play are exactly the same? However, it seems one of his first games here was where he was scum. I fail to see how Slicey newb-town play is most likely different from Reck newb-town play, but Slicey newb-scum is most likely the same as Reck newb-scum. Explain this to me. However, I agree that Slicey's continued defense of Reck after the spotlight switched hands is suspicious. At the present time, I don't find the case on Slicey to hold much weight, but it is noteworthy.

Jazzmyn: As I understand it, the only point against her is that she's been discussing who did what. Now, her doing this and not much else isn't exactly helping the town here. She's not posting content. Then, when EmpTyger notices and builds a case against her, she does post content. In the form of what looks like OMGUS'ing EmpTyger. In addition, she repeats for all of the points against her like so:

'What?'

'He can't possibly be serious.'

'Does anyone know what he's talking about?'

Then she votes him. Suspicious.

EmpTyger: The only case on EmpTyger is from Jazzmyn, with Reck giving it steam. As you saw above, this case consists of 'What is he talking about?'. Hardly grounds.

HoS: Jazzmyn
FoS: Reckoner
MFoS: Slicey

More soon.

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Vote: xRECKONERx

Can I do this? Go ahead. Hammer me. Take me out. That way, when I turn up as MOTHERFUCKING TOWN, you can see all the warped scum logic in play and figure out who they really are. I'm not scum. But Tyger won't drop the goddamn argument, and I'm done with this game. Too much stress.

Good luck, townies.

This is your first an only warning. If you vote for yourself again you will be mod killed.

post in 12 hours ( on iPod) but never self vote as town ever ever ever ever.

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EmpTyger kindly pointed out that I missed hp's case in my analysis, so:

So, in the start, he places a random vote to bandwagon zwet. Slightly scummy behaviour. His vote after the channel swap is understandable, so let's not dwell on that. His behaviour after is fairly average, with voting, agreeing on plans...but never actually putting forward any sort of analysis. Ever. Sure, he might sneak in something that sounds like it, but for the very most part all he's done is agree. Not exactly great behaviour. I don't know about you guys, but that's scummy to me.

FoS: hp

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I get scum reads on EmpTyger, LlamaFluff and Drench; town read on Recon; Lurker McLurkerson reads on EsoMonty, hp[leaves], and Fabian; neutral/scum read on Slicey and Kloud; neutral on everyone else.

Regards,
Jazz

Can you explain the reads you're getting, rather than just shooting off a list?

Also, Lurker McLurkerson made me lol.

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I'm happy with a Jazz or Reck lynch. She isn't posting content at all, and not (as far as I can see) explaining her reasoning (see post 318 - 319), and he's just bandwagoning and vote hopping like mad.

Vote: Jazz
UnFoS: Reck
HoS: Reck

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Nice to see that at least two of my scum reads are most likely accurate so far (Llama and Drench) - thanks, guys.

Regards,
Jazz

Do you mind explaining your reasoning rather than posting

no content at all

? Explain why you think I'm scum.

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Wrong game?

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Unvote, Vote Reck

The way things are going, Jazz will not be lynched. Reck, the scummy person he is, is another big suspect in my book.

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...

I wonder who farside is? Also, Jazz has 1 vote.

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No idea who this farside character is... and actually, Jazz has zero votes.

Regards,
Jazz

And why is there a baby in the picture? Suspicious...

Vote: farside

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Unvote, Vote: Jazz

I've explained why.

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Bad move, though, if you're town aligned.

Regards,
Jazz

Why is it a bad move? Inform us.

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Stop rolefishing.

Regards,
Jazz

I find it hard in this game called Mafia to believe just "if you're town aligned, it's a bad idea to vote for me". If you want to deter me from voting you, then that's not going to cut it. My vote stays. Defend yourself. Also, could you answer my question I posted last page? Thanks.

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As I said before, stop rolefishing.

You now have about 15 hours to try to kill a town power role before the deadline. But don't think for a second that the town won't notice who follows you in your folly.

Regards,
Jazz

Also, could you answer my question I posted last page? Thanks.

Hmm...a chance to answer and yet doesn't answer? Strange. Jazz.

ANSWER

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Technically, the first channel change occurred before the first vote, so, who knows?

Not liking hp, Jazz and Reck.

FoS

all of them right now, and

Vote: hp

, as the next deadline may have come and gone. Just making sure.

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This game's still going? :-\

Why wouldn't it still be going? Do you have a reason for thinking it strange?

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Unvote Vote: Jazz

I will outline my case again:

-Has not said much at all
-Has not answered perfectly OK questions
-Softclaiming too eager
-etc etc

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Now, I would prefer a Jazz lynch. I've stated this opinion many times. However, hp is also a good lynch candidate. And with the current game state, coupled with his continued suspicious behaviour, hp is a good lynch.

Vote: hp

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/respond

Post when I finish all the important stuff on my side.

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Drench posting without adding a vote is noted though.

Sorry for not adding a vote. Who cares if I needed every minute of my waking hours to finish a project due tomorrow! Let's waste those precious minutes on typing out votes! WHO CARES IF YOU LOSE MARKS, GRADES AND RESPECT?

Get real LF.

Vote: Kieraen

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NO VOTE:

Write post - 30 seconds
Submit - 10 seconds
40 seconds total

VOTE:

Write post sans vote - 30 seconds
Read through thread - 2 minutes
Make educated vote - 15 seconds
Submit - 10 seconds
2 minutes 55 seconds total

Big difference between those two scenarios LF.

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Vote: Kieraen

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Someone hammer.

Stop being so eager. We are waiting for a claim, if I understand correctly.

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OMGOSH, I HET replacing into lylo :/

Substantial re-read required here but from a skim I will say that all lurkage must cease here.

SCUM MUST DIE TODAY!

You seem pretty certain that this is LYLO.

Freudian slip?

Shit, town is failing hardcore.

FoS EmpTyger & Drench

, but I'll need a read through first.

Could you please provide some explanation? I can see some sort of sense in EmpTyger IIRC, but I don't remember there being any outstanding suspicions on me, apart from my supposed AtE and my failure to vote in a post, which I don't really get (the vote, not the Appeal).

HoS: Jazz

. I am still mighty suspicious of her, mainly for the reasons I set out a few pages ago:

-Has not said much at all
-Has not answered perfectly OK questions
-Softclaiming too eager
-etc etc

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Honestly, I was really stoned last night and don't know why I FoS'd you.

I FoS'd Tyger because, well, I think he's fishy... and he bandwagoned pretty quickly on Kierean yesterday. So did Fabian. And Fluff, but, he's dead. >.>

So, you were, as you say,

really

stoned, and FoS'd me for no reason. Would you classify that as you just being a bit crazy at the time (i.e. you had no idea of what you were doing)?

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Well, I meant to FoS everyone who voted for Llama. Failed miserabley.

So you say you have no idea why you voted me, and yet you have just stated a reason why you made all those FoSs. Which one is it?

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I have some family issues for the next few days, and may not get a chance to post for a couple days. Apologies.

Very quickly though- not only do I think that we’re at lynch-or-lose, but I really want to know what *non* lynch-or-lose setup KMD/Reckoner/Drench think we may have. Also thinking a massclaim would be good. Also what’s Reckoner’s point considering he voted for LF.and bandwagoned pretty quickly.

We started with 16 players. We know there are some bastardy roles in this game (death miller, townie lyncher), which would automatically create 2 mislynches. We know from N1 there are 3 killing parties, meaning by N2, barring any scum deaths, we would be in MyLO D3 with 5v3, or even, as some have suggested, 4v3v1. We have now reached a position where there are 8 people alive, putting us (I believe) at MyLO. I don't believe we're on the cliff face yet, rather, I believe that we are, for lack of a better metaphor/allegory/analogy, walking to that cliff face. If we aren't careful, we could very well lose today, but we are not in LyLO. And this isn't accounting for Zwet. If he actually were the mafia, it's 6v2/5v2v1, which means we aren't even in MyLO.

And yeah.

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Eugh. Let me catch up with everything, and I'll get a post up within the next 24 hours.

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/headdeskofthecentury

On with the post:

@Emptyger: You may have noticed I made the assumption in that post zewt was a death miller. It follows that if he was a death miller, his lynch would obviously be...er...a mislynch, to be repetitive a bit. I'm not saying he was, but I think it's better to err on the side of caution as far as the situation we're in is concerned, and to do that we need to presume the best case scenario didn't happen.

Second point: see above. Namely, the best-case-shouldn't-be-assumed-in-this-situation-for-caution.

Third point: MYLO means Mislynch and Lose. Basically, in a game with 1 kill per night, it means that if we no lynch, then it will be LyLO next day barring any scum deaths (which would be unlikely, seeming as in this example scum would have the only kill). If we lynch correctly, good job for us. If we mislynch, we would lose. Obviously the categorization this term creates is lost a little when there's more than one killing party, but it stays largely the same: if we mislynch now, I believe we will lose.

Reck: I myself don't see the arguments against Emp. However, I recognize that others do, and I would presume (THIS IS THE CRAZY BIT) that people who find someone suspicious would follow it up (I KNOW CRAZY RIGHT). You said yourself you find Emp scummy, and so I find it logical that you would follow it up. Of course, you said your suspicions after I called them logical, to deprive you of a follow up post, and I will also deprive me another answer post by saying that IIRC (Drench will have to read through again), people had been laying cases on Emp, and while I wasn't really convinced by them, I knew that at least the person who wrote the damn thing was.

And....yeah. Ooh, scumlists! Here goes:

1 is person I wouldn't want to lynch. The other side of the scale is who I would like to see lynched.

1. Drench
2. KMD
3. Emp
4. Jazz (I know she claimed Doc, but I just can't shake those suspicions...)
5. Grimmy
6. Reck
7. Lamont
8. Fabian

UnHoS: Jazz, FoS: Fabian

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