Xyl's Relative Chaos - Game over!

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I'm here. At least this hasn't gotten too far. I should be able to catch up quickly.

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analysis of game at its current point:
Pages 1-4

Post 13 - Korts: Something seems a bit off about this post to me. I don't know what it is right now, but I'm noting it for later.
Post 21 - Vi: Why respond to tubby's statement with anything besides to tell him to stop talking about it?
Post 27 - Korts: unvoting isn't constructive?
Post 28 - Vi: I'm pretty sure he was being serious. Why that response?
Post 31 - CC: Gah. I hate page arguments of any sort.
Post 33 - zazier: How is Korts showing special attention to CC?
Post 35 - Korts: False about the vote thing, actually.
Post 41 - spyre: GAH! PAGE ARGUMENT SIGHTED. Don't like the buddying-up to Korts
Post 42 - SSK: That's not answering his question.
Post 44 - spyre: How do you know the list is random?
Post 46 - morph: Really? No readings on anyone? I'm surprised.
Post 47 - tubby: Wow, really? OMGUS + appeal to emotion?
Post 51 - Vi: Don't like creating a fake PR here. Don't get the "policy lynch" comment on tubby,
Post 56 - CC: Really? Any explanation?
Post 64 - Crazy: The thing with setup speculation is that scum often have more knowledge of the setup than the town do and want to tell us subconciously.
Post 76 - tubby: Feels like a distancing vote to me
Post 77 - internet: And you're still not going to if you don't try to play the game.
Post 88 - DoomCow: I don't like this vote. Sure, the fake PR is anti-town, but you need more reasoning than that.
Post 94 - morph: You're adding a fake PR too? ridiculous.
Post 98 - SSK: Why is that the only thing you have to add?
Post 102 - SSK: What?

I'll finish this up later and then have some thoughts.
Also,

unvote

. Missed that that was still on after replacing.

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Pages 5-Current

Post 105 - Vi: Can you see Korts's vote from his perspective and how he may feel it's justified?
Post 107 - Crazy: Woah, the "he's a newbie" defense. Also, you may do certain things as scum, but that doesn't mean everyone does the same. Can he not be newbie scum?
Post 108 - tubby: Ah, I see now. tubby, if you made a big case with reasoning against Korts, it would not be considered OMGUS(by me at least), because it's a case. Not just voting for them. This post seems sincere to me.
Post 122 - DGB: Anything else?
Post 127 - Vi: Aw, thanks. I appreciate it. Didn't know I had that kind of reputation.
Post 135 - SSK: Why do you not play games that you've signed up for?
Post 136 - tubby: Ok, this looks a bit bad after pressure has slightly lessened up on you, now you're not talking. I'm not a big fan of this.
Post 137 - DGB: Maybe, but have they done anything else scummy? After all, both were obviously fake PRs.
Post 143 - tubby: If you're town, why are you putting the hypothetical out there that says "if I flip scum"?
Post 144 - Korts: ALERT! ALERT! PAGE ARGUMENT SIGHTED!
Post 149 - DoomCow: Wow, what a wonderful noncommital post.
Post 151 - DoomCow: Why do you think he's the option?
Post 159 - Korts: No, we can totally talk about it here, since we can't talk about it out of game. Why push this conversation to the side when it could have bearing on the game?
Post 162 - Internet: Can you please post something regarding the game?
Post 166 - Crazy: I think it's perfectly valid. Why don't you?
Post 167 - Crazy: This is blatant WIFOM. Scum could totally do something scummy so people claim it's too scummy to be scum.
Post 170 - DGB: I don't believe not scumhunting is a town tell.

Thoughts:
DBG needs to actually scumhunt instead of pretending to. Slight scumminess at this point.
SSK needs to post or be replaced. I'd prefer the latter. neutral.
Crazy feels off to me. I also think his defense of tubby is a little bit too strong. Medium Scumminess
DoomCow: Hasn't posted any analysis. Just information. I(and tarhalindur) find that scummy. High scumminess.
spyrex: I don't know about him. May need to reread him.
CC: Needs to post more. I haven't seen much from him.
Korts: Seems a bit off to me, especially that page argument from him in post 144. I really didn't like that.
zazier seems really quiet to me. I've seen her post more often than this. Why haven't you said much?
morph: The fake PR just seems like it was there because Vi did it. He also hasn't given any contribution to the game, but has posted enough that it doesn't look like he's lurking. Explanation for his vote on Crazy seems like distancing. High scumminess.

vote: DoomCow
FoS: morph, Crazy

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Post 149 - DoomCow: Wow, what a wonderful noncommital post.

I still need to reread, had some busy days but will eventually get to it though. As for that post, I clearly state my suspicions towards Vi and Animorpherv1.

For what, their fake PRs? Sure, they're anti-town, but you can't lynch someone just based on that, especially when it's completely obvious that they're fake.

That said, I don't like morph's post 185 where he says "the fake PRs are what we want to do. It's over". It seems a wee bit OMGUS to me because the response seems so much stronger than that attack required.

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But I was annoyed at the fact he wanted to vote us both because of personal preference. If you can't take personal prefernce, then you have a problem.

Could you explain this a bit better? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

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But I was annoyed at the fact he wanted to vote us both because of personal preference. If you can't take personal prefernce, then you have a problem.

Could you explain this a bit better? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

I'll explain.

You know how some people don't post much? They normally have good reasons, like they had school, and such. But then, a half page later, someone else asks, and someone else etc etc, they get annoyed. Then, next page, someone

else

asks, they blow up. I blew up. Thats what happened. I had a bad day at school, to. Someone insulted the place I was born.

What does that have to do with personal preference?

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Why hasn't DoomCow been lynched yet?

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unvote

Because my last vote was stupid

vote: TheInternet

because when he posts, it contains no game content.

He's being replaced. Why are you voting for him?

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Requesting replacement. I'm bored, I don't understand it, and would like to dedicate my energies to my other games. Sorry.

Seriously, what's so complicated???

Scum infighting?

what?

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can anyone point me to the main case on tubby? I'm not quite sure what it is besides him playing badly.

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@ farside - hi sweetie. I missed you too.

on a serious note, DGB was going to be my second vote after CC most likely. so this recent post by her:

This game seems to lack a sense of direction.

Let's run up a nice big wagon, then we'll have stuff to talk about. We're wimpy with the votes. That's not the way to win.

sparked my vote and reaffirmed my suspicion of her because of her jokey posts that avoid the questions and lack of an actual case against, well, anyone

Interesting fast jump on a gratuitous, but fun, bandwagon on me and only bothering to explain it the day after. What, you're afraid we're going to come after you alter?

Dahill you are scum.

unvote, vote: dahill1

What are you saying here? I can't understand it, because I'm pretty sure that dahill did explain his suspicions in a satisfactory manner.

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He melted down, now has disappeared for 3 days. Is he lurking? That is my question.

I say he's scum.

and yet you're voting for dahill even though he made perfectly clear that you were one of his suspects. Why?

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and yet you're voting for dahill even though he made perfectly clear that you were one of his suspects. Why?

What, you think there's only one scum in this game?

no, it's that I think you're voting for dahill based off of a false premise. What about dahill makes you think he's a better place for your vote than tubby?

has, do you think you're vote on DoomCow is well placed at the moment, and if so, why?

Yes. DoomCow hasn't done anything in terms of moving the game forward. He'll come in and say something, but not give much reasoning behind it. First off, there was the vote for tubby saying that he "didn't like the last post of his". He's not really saying anything there. Voting Vi for the obviously fake PR is also bad, especially ditching it quickly and going right back to tubby.

Also note the end of post 179, where he says there's nothing to analyze on Day 1. I'd like to hear an explanation for that. There is no pro-town reason I can think of that can explain why posting some analysis on Day 1 is bad.

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Hi all. I took the day off to catch up on sleep. Just letting you know I didn't forget about you.

I abstain from posting untill farside rereads.

A) This is a post
B) You need to contribute more than farside does anyway

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Unvote: DrippingGoofball

Vote: farside22

(L-7)
Go on, keep pushing that reread back.

This is a terrible vote. Please explain.

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I'm suspicious of the following players:
SpyreX, ZazieR, CoheedCambria09

Reason: I don't like how they are hanging on to a wagon that has lost much of its steam. That stinks of disappointed, lazy scum to me.

In other news, Korts is town. I agree that animo & Coheed should be pushed. I pick Coheed because he persists on the tubby non-wagon.

unvote, vote: CoheedCambria09

Wait a second. Unless I'm missing something, weren't/aren't you suspicious of tubby? Why is CC suspicious for staying on tubby?
Are you suspicious of me for being on a "non-wagon"?

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hascow: post 174 why doomcow over everyone else you read on?

Well, I haven't really seen anything pro-town from him. The refusal to do an analysis because "he'll have to change it later" is terrible. Also, you could call it a bit gut. He feels like scum to me with everything he's done/said/not done.

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I'll bite,

unvote: GoofBall, vote CoheedCambria09

,

following given reasons (by others)

and upping the pressure

Have you done anything but follow this entire day?

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I didn't see CC as scummy, but he wasn't a convince townie as well... about 50-50, which is why I made the pressure/claim vote.

wait, so if he's 50-50, you don't see him as scummy?

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how perceptive dahill, your missing the point

i have no incentive to help anyone.

Think of me as a freelance vote, I go with the cases I feel are the strongest.

I can't believe I missed this. Anyone mind explaining why people are jumping

off

the wagon after this.

Mod: I will have little, if any, access, from wednesday through sunday

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And Hasdfgas, about your last post: If you're convincesd that what you quote is worthy of asking why an unvote, then why not a vote for it? From that post, it seems you want people to keep him a target, so why not put your action where your mouth is?

because I wanted a claim from you first as I still found you scummier. But due to the claim,

unvote, vote: CC09

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I believe, knowing Xyl's setups from IRC, that the JOAT will be confused.

this helps us how, exactly, SSK?

Also, dahill looks town to me.

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I believe, knowing Xyl's setups from IRC, that the JOAT will be confused.

this helps us how, exactly, SSK?

Also, dahill looks town to me.

Do you agree that DC should shoot CC? If so why are you voting CC?

What should happen is this. We lynch one of {CC, morph}, DC shoots/targets the other with a useful ability.

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I think I see what you guys see, but I'll wait to see if DC responds.

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I don't see what you guys see... anyone care to explain

No, because that helps possible scum. Why are you trying to help out DC?

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Really don't like the hammer after farside said she wanted to hear from DC first

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vote: Natirasha

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i am trusting

farsides and

korts' judgement

unvote, vote: DC

It's Hammer time.

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sanity confirmed?

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unvote

Don't want to trust the claimed cop's results quite yet though.

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unvote

Don't want to trust the claimed cop's results quite yet though.

why?

unvote, vote zazier

A) he has a PR, so we can't ask him questions and expect good answers.
B) Didn't like the quickhammer, so I'm a bit wary of nat atm.

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Cow, why no vote? Do you have something to hide?

1)Loaded question.
2)

4) giving the cop a post restriction to me proves sanity i mean xyl would have to be a complete prict to give nat a post restriction and insanity,

I fully disagree with this part of the reasoning. Unless I'm mistaken, Nat didn't have the PR at the start of the game, he got it afterwards. (Nat, is this right?)

claim would be nice, actually.

there's a bit more, but I have class

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unvote

Don't want to trust the claimed cop's results quite yet though.

why?

unvote, vote zazier

A) he has a PR, so we can't ask him questions and expect good answers.
B) Didn't like the quickhammer, so I'm a bit wary of nat atm.

A) not a valid reason
B) If he is lying he is lynched as lying scum.

A) understandable, but I'd love to get real answers from Nat, because there are some things I want to ask. I guess I could try to phrase them as yes/no questions, but that's a bit more difficult.
B) mmm, I understand this, but still. Knowing Xyl's chaos setups a bit better than some, I could see some pretty weird stuff being in this game.

Also, cow, what do you mean by Nat getting his PR later in the game? My memory says that after the confirmation stage, he has posted only in quotes, periods and question marks.

Remember his reaction in his first post? Doesn't seem like a reaction to having a PR in his role from the start. Also, note post 622.

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@Nat: is the role name "cop"?

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Alright. Knowing that Zazie and Spyrex were scum is going to help a lot.

These are the players that they bus'ed on Day 1:

ZAZIE:
animopherv
tubby

SPYREX:
tubby
Doomcow

I'd be willing to vote for any of these players.

how do you know that both of them have buddies?

FoS: DGB

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What's with people claiming immediately upon getting a guilty or the equivalent?

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What's with people claiming immediately upon getting a guilty or the equivalent?

Why does it matter? Why do you keep stopping it and not voting? Oh wait are you mafia cow?

I don't like playing follow the cop, because there's no skill. I find it much better if someone with a guilty actually makes a case and attacks someone because it's a bit less risky.
Why do I keep not voting? Because I think we should actually talk about stuff. Another reason why follow the cop is bad, it limits discussion.
Stopping it? If you mean not voting, see above. Otherwise I don't know what you mean.

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how do you know that both of them have buddies?

FoS: DGB

Why on Earth would you assume, or suggest that they don't have any?

FOS: hascow

does secret agent sound like it has buddies?

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Who do you think looks scummy and why?

CC. I think I've mentioned why.

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Just for cow.

Knowing that crazy is scum I would suspect tubby as his partner for defending him day one such as here:

Hmm, personally I don't see the big deal about tubby. He essentially said the same thing Korts said, except a little more specifically.

Personally, I don't think it means anything. I mean, can you imagine Xyl making it so scum could get screwed over by a votecount? I mean, how does that really add anything to the game? What purpose would Xyl have in putting in a mechanic that draws from the spirit of mafia?

Also I pointed out tubby followed Crazy then voted for him. DGB talks about scum bussing she should look at those 2.

I see the opposite of bus'ing.

BTW.

We have Natirasha a proven cop.

We have a second cop????

'Scuse me if I put my skeptical hat on for a moment.

check the claim again, then if you still don't understand, I'll tell you what I think.

how do you know that both of them have buddies?

FoS: DGB

Why on Earth would you assume, or suggest that they don't have any?

does secret agent sound like it has buddies?

Good point, but then why does his name show up a different color?

Because he's not associated with zazier...
Why wouldn't his name show up in a different color?

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Because he's not associated with zazier...
Why wouldn't his name show up in a different color?

I know that... but he's not the same color as townies, either. What do you think that means???

DGB, you're completely misrepresenting me. I did not say that I thought SpyreX was town, I just said I didn't think he had buddies. It sounds like an SK/other 3rd party role to me, not a mafia role with buddies.

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I'm disappointed that CoheedCambria09 hasn't been vig'ged. I mean, that sort of survivor-smelling 'squashed banana' claim had 'vig target' written all over it. With the number of kills, we might be looking at an SK or mafiate. Also, CC was too chicken to vote yesterday.

We have to be very careful with our votes.

Five players, only 3 needed to lynch. One false move on a townie and he will be promptly rounded up by the scumbags.

FoS: DGB

How do you know we have 2 scum left on the same team?

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How do you know we have 2 scum left on the same team?

Why do you think that's what I said? That's not what I said. We had two kills last night. Farside strikes me as an obv scum kill. But Vi? I dunno. Vi doesn't look right as a vig kill. No one claimed vig, either.

In my post I referred to the possibility of a survivor, SK and mafiate. Where do you get the idea that we have two scum left on the same team. Is this something that you KNOW? Are you, like, projecting???

you said a false move on a townie will make him get rounded up by the scumbags. If scum aren't on the same team, how will that work out?

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Why do they have to be on the same team to hammer a townie??? You think an SK or a survivor wouldn't jump on the opportunity? All we need are two members of an anti-town faction - they can be from separate factions, it doesn't matter, the result is the same. They don't need to coordinate this either.

but it's much, much harder, because they don't know who else they have to be coordinating with.

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Hmm, honestly, I think Nat might be faking a PR. I can go more into it if necessary.

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DAY 1

..?. ..? ?.?. ?.? .. ??. ??? ? .? .??. .?. ... ??? ?? . .???? .... .? ? . ... ?? .

DAY 2

. -> Yes/I agree/otherwise affirmative reaction
? -> No/I disagree/otherwise negative reaction
.. -> See something that has been said earlier
?? -> Cannot answer question as stated
... -> No comment/neutral reaction
??? -> What are you talking about?
.?.?.?. -> STFU
[anything else] -> I really just want to annoy you

(if he had a PR, this would be breaking it, especially since he goes back to it later)

Nat is a cop with a guilty on Zazier?

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DAY 3

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<|24='/ 15 5<|_||\/|.

Vote: Crazy

which roughly translates to:

Hey guys I have a new PR. I get a new PR each day.

But wasn't his "PR" the same on days 1 and 2?

DAY 4

DGB est innocent.

Aujourd'hui, je peux seulement parler en français.

Je pense que la vache est ville, ainsi elle est l'une ou l'autre CC ou tubby.

French? really? Seems like Xyl could come up with much better PRs than speaking French.
Not to mention that after having the same PR days 1 and 2, he comes out day 3 and says that he gets a new one everyday, which, unless I'm missing something, is a flat out lie.

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Day 1 and Day 2 don't look the same to me. What do you think it is?

I looked, and unless I'm missing something, Days 1 and 2 are the same, because we decided on the list shown in his Day 2 post during Day 1, and he used it during Day 2. I want answers from Nat. I'm not liking this.

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Hascow, you're not as worried with CoheedCambria as I am. Any reason for that?

What, exactly, do you mean by this?

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Personally, now that I've seen the type of roles posted in the obituaries, I don't believe CC's 'squashed banana' claim anymore. I want him dead.

I haven't seen anything to make me believe it.

CC: Do you have any abilities?
what is your win condition?

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Cow: as I have said before, I dont know, I don't know, I don't know, all it said on my role was that I was a squashed banana

You've seen the sample role PM, right? How would you expect us to believe that you don't know your abilities?

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@DGB: Look at the title of the game, It's relative chaos, you cant use a look at the other roles, your role cant fit when the title is that.

choas!=not knowing your role. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that you don't know anything besides your name, which I don't believe either. I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary namewise.

On a different note, who thinks we're in LyLo?

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I'm a big fan of a Natirasha lynch, btw

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I'm a townie I was told my squashed banana has been taken away, which I guess first saved me from getting lynched.

That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure that's what happened?

I think a massclaimm is in order.

I agree.

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as soon as tubby checks in and says he's ok with it, I'll claim.

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and one other thing, DGB, do you remember Thespival mafia? That's all I'm going to say about it for now.

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well, anyway, first is my claim.
I am a

governor

.
I pardoned CCs lynch yesterday because I really didn't like Nat's hammer. It seemed a bit out of place for a cop to be hammering like that.

and one other thing, DGB, do you remember Thespival mafia? That's all I'm going to say about it for now.

I do. Are you referring to the part where you had me completely fooled?

I'm referring to how I had a PR and made a completely ridiculous claim which most people believed because it didn't seem like it could be made up. We're just completely believing Nat because he got a couple correct investigations. But mafia cop is possible as well, especially with more than 2 factions, like we seem to have. I don't trust nat's PR. I think he's making them up, like I made up my night actions in Thespival.

tubby, please claim next.

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has, why did you pardon CC?

Nat's hammer. Simple as that. It looked exactly like a scum quickhammer to me.

His claim that he now has an alignment seems particularly far fetched - even more than his claim of squashed banana.

I agree with that

I can't believe you held on to governor powers all this time just to waste it on what is more likely than not a scumbag.

I didn't say it was one-shot pardon.

You may have lost us the game. What has CC done to deserve a pardon??? It's not like he's a useful power role! At best he's a survivor, at worst he's a SK, or fakeclaiming scum! What were you thinking?

I'm getting a huge gut check telling me we should lynch Nat. Sure, it might be wrong and I may have made a really stupid mistake in pardoning CC, but my gut told me to, and I'm learning to listen to it more.

And I don't know where the Nat-hate comes from. Nat has caught scum from what appears to be two different factions. And he's not counterclaimed. There is NO WAY Nat is scum. No way. Think about it.

I disagree. As I seem to remember it, there was "no way" I was scum after bussing CKD in Thespival. We saw how that worked out, didn't we? I could see Nat bussing a buddy to seem confirmed town to people.

I'm willing and eager to re-lynch CC.

You need a darn good reason to do that or I'll just pardon him again.

I also may know a reason for the no-death last night, but that doesn't need to come out right now.

DGB, what is more likely?
1) Nat is a lying scumbag who bussed his buddy
2) CC made a horrible claim, is a scumbag who has lynch immunity, and I am his buddy who fake-claimed governor

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there were 4 nights, why did you only get 3 roles?

Also, for the scum one, was the rolename "mafioso"?

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Question: Do people want me to pardon whoever we lynch so I can prove my ability?

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DGB, I have a couple questions for you:
1) Why would scum get any ability to stop a lynch, whether lynch-immune or governor?
2) Do you remember the timing of Nat's guilty on crazy?

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Nat: Why should I listen to you?
Why is tubby obvscum
Is your rolename cop?
What kind of ability is your PR?

There's something EXTREMELY weird with CC finding out his alignment AFTER he's been lynched. PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.

IT IS EXTREMELY WEIRD. I don't know what to think of it. I said that already.

DGB

Yes, I remember the timing of Nat's guilty. What are you supposing?

Nat's "guilty" on crazy was

AFTER

farside's. He could easily have faked that, and if he's scum, which I believe he is, he could have contributed more towards a bus of his buddy without actually starting it.

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CC: Did you get your alignment before night or after night?

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There's something EXTREMELY weird with CC finding out his alignment AFTER he's been lynched. PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS.

IT IS EXTREMELY WEIRD. I don't know what to think of it. I said that already.

Then why aren't you on his case? Why aren't you pushing to re-lynch him?

Because he's not as important to me as figuring out what's up with Nat.

Yes, I remember the timing of Nat's guilty. What are you supposing?

Nat's "guilty" on crazy was

AFTER

farside's. He could easily have faked that, and if he's scum, which I believe he is, he could have contributed more towards a bus of his buddy without actually starting it.

I realize that, but then how do you explain the guilty result on another scumbag? Do you think Nat belongs to two scumgroups and therefore bus'ed one of each group? How do you explain that he's not counterclaimed?

I'd honestly believe a mafia cop, with the fact that we seem to have 3 anti-town groups. Plus, it's an easy way to seem town. Not counterclaimed? If we don't have a cop, why would he be counterclaimed? We've had a role cop already.

Now please be quiet for a bit so Nat can answer my questions.

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We're trying to find scum. CC is obv scum.
When we have an obvscum like CC, that you CLAIM to have PARDONED, 'scuse me if my scumdar is shooting sparks.

I want to find out what's up with THAT. You're not answering my questions with any detail. You are shifty and slippery. Can you try again, being more forthright this time?

shifty and slippery? What questions haven't I answered?
I pardoned CC because Nat's hammer set my scumdar on maximum.

Remember: WE HAVE TWO FRICKIN KILLING FACTIONS and I'm pretty sure you saved one from being lynched. You don't seem to feel guilty at all. That disturbs me greatly.

Because I thought it was the right move, and I still do. It may turn out otherwise, but I really didn't like Nat's hammer, and didn't want to lose to such an obvious scum move.

I really want Nat's answers, because if he answers them, I may get off of him. The longer we go before he answers them, the more I want to lynch him.

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tubby, I want you to go into as much detail on the PMs you received as possible without quoting. This is extremely important.

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Wait, DGB, governor is usually one-shot? Really? I disagree. Maybe it usually is that it can usually only pardon the same person once, but every time I've seen it, they can pardon as many different people as they like.

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And Tubby's claim isnt credible because it can be 100% faked with the info we have recieved from the mod.

that's actually wrong. He claimed the mafioso had two partners, which we don't know from the mod

[hasdgfas]

Wait, DGB, governor is usually one-shot? Really? I disagree. Maybe it usually is that it can usually only pardon the same person once, but every time I've seen it, they can pardon as many different people as they like.

I've only ever seen one-shot governors.

I don't think I've ever seen a one-shot governor. What games have you seen with governors?

[hasdgfas]

tubby, do you play on IRC?

[hasdgfas]

I have never seen anyone else use the cheater role that Xyl uses in IRC.
CC: How would tubby be able to make up that role, correct name and all?

[hasdgfas]

DGB: If that post is serious, I have no qualms at all about lynching you. Look at the post again and then think it over.

[hasdgfas]

CCs post 849 is quite obviously the translation of Nat's post 847.

[hasdgfas]

ah, so DGB was scum. I was really starting to think that when she didn't understand that nat's PR was the same days 1 and 2. At least I was right about that, even if I had a squashed banana and 3 members of the mafia left

SEE DGBSCUM. The pardon was the right idea! Ha! I should've lynched you for appeal to emotion there. That was a terrible last day.

I figured I was double killed the night I hid

I don't feel so bad about getting run in circles the last day, because I was thinking everyone except CC was scum at one point. Guess I was right there.

Note: If Nat didn't hammer CC, I'd have lynched tubby. Not that it would've made much difference.

[hasdgfas]

well i am still pretty proud of myself for being able to wiggle out what seemed like a day one certian lynch

that nite i targeted has i almost targeted dgb,, damn it i should have stuck with my first choice,,

but good game all i have learned alot

DGB was NK-immune, would've been the same result.

[hasdgfas]

well good game, DGB, I was town:P

That was probly the hardest role I've had, and it worked agaisnt me the entire game, but oh well.

I think you would've had more luck if you defended yourself a bit better instead of just defending your claim. It seemed as though you were relying on the absurdity of your claim instead of defending against the accusations.