message recieved loud and clear. gimme a minuteIn post 5484, NorwegianboyEE wrote:You rather i be like N_M than explain my votes and be transparent?In post 5479, Enchant wrote:you need explain this??????????????????????????????????In post 5477, NorwegianboyEE wrote: I’m fine with this lim because LLD was behaving really weirdly around the FL slot and they don’t have a good explanation for the poisoning either.
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SUPCLODPOLES,I'MTHEJESTERANDI'MHERETOTROLLTHEFECALMATTEROUTOFTHISGAME!
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yo???In post 5528, Not_Mafia wrote: There are too many people alive. Suicide pact anyone?
this hurts shirou. :(In post 5544, Lazy Shirou wrote: My wincon is to dab on NorwegianBoyEE regardless of his alignment
i don't remember why i multiquoted this. uhhhIn post 5546, Black wrote:
This just feels like an agenda you want to push instead of something you actually believeIn post 5535, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, Italiano and black posting, obviously at least one scum is in there at this point of the game, is looking to setup a Chandra v FL feud.
Or...get this...I'm not smart when it comes to Mafia and I like to post before I thinkIn post 5537, Flavor Leaf wrote: Italiano/Black slots are not pure.
when? don't remember thatIn post 5551, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Don’t take what I say too seriously, Black.In post 5546, Black wrote:
This just feels like an agenda you want to push instead of something you actually believeIn post 5535, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, Italiano and black posting, obviously at least one scum is in there at this point of the game, is looking to setup a Chandra v FL feud.
Or...get this...I'm not smart when it comes to Mafia and I like to post before I thinkIn post 5537, Flavor Leaf wrote: Italiano/Black slots are not pure.
I’ve already announced I’ve just been spouting nonsense.
this is a weird response to me. do you tr all of them? also who is all of themIn post 5587, Meuh wrote:
Why don't you think they can all be town?In post 5571, Black wrote:
hey remember when you were like "omg black isn't solving"In post 5562, Meuh wrote: Can we just kill STD/Black/Italiano and get like 2 scum flips through that
normally people that complain about that tend to idk, try solving on their own?
but cool glad to see we're back to you pushing people very weakly
VOTE: Meuh - let's take out a poisoner. They can't all be town
the only vn i've played is ace attorney :oops: i hope i can catch on quick i really want the good endingIn post 5629, Lazy Shirou wrote: To maximize the so limited resource codenamed "fun" in mafia games, I shall create my read-lists based onAFFECTION POINTS
At 100 Affection Points you unlock thein this amazing dumpster fire of a Visual Novel!Shirou's Route
Do know, dear SCUMMERS, that I'm one of your very ownin the site~best waifu
did something change n2? i feel like you are emphasizing your low effort a lot today compared to d2 (i read d2)In post 5657, Firebringer wrote:
u should take my approach and not try to force anything.In post 5655, Black wrote:
Yep that sounds about right. This game has been pretty overwhelming for meIn post 5608, Firebringer wrote: I townread her, but like everytime i see her trying to push something its like seeing someone trying to get something going but doesn't believe in it herself and just trying to find a way to dig into in the game.
This game is chill.
i'm super into this because i really like being in the elite 6 and also because italianovd is my biggest scumread right now by a lotIn post 5666, Firebringer wrote: Alright im going to actually push something.
And by push something I mean echo someone else in the elite 6 cause i think its a decent block of players to vote and so i am going to scream and echo it.
These are the people we focus today. No one else, lets narrow down the field and focus on these cause i think its a good PoE probably has at least 3 scum in it. If your not voting in one of these. Then ur wasting ur vote and need to get on my level scrubs.
In post 5563, SquirtleSquad wrote:there is likely 4 scum in {titus std italiano kitty not_mafia malakittens}
hey this is exactly what happened with magical girl!! funny!!In post 5699, Save The Dragons wrote: I feel like I was pretty active when I was getting a tattoo and cakez comes in and is like "I didn't see std in my 20 page skim he's scum" and instead of thinking critically everyone just kind of nodded along
Anyway I'm here now so what's up someone talk to me
yeah this is valid. i've seen a lot of "listen to me" without a lot to listen toIn post 5719, Black wrote: Are we really buying this from Chandra? They seem frustrated that no one is listening to them but they haven't really been pushing anything or even trying to talk anyone into what they believe in. It doesn't even feel like they believe in what they claim they believe in. And now we're supposed to sheep them and lim a slot that has less posts than Squirtle's main account?In post 5724, Titus wrote:
Ok. If kittens flips scum, turbo lim this.In post 5719, Black wrote: Are we really buying this from Chandra? They seem frustrated that no one is listening to them but they haven't really been pushing anything or even trying to talk anyone into what they believe in. It doesn't even feel like they believe in what they claim they believe in. And now we're supposed to sheep them and lim a slot that has less posts than Squirtle's main account?In post 5725, Black wrote: Sure, if you want. But this is coming from not trusting Chandra moreso than trusting mala
this is a really bad interaction from black i think. why did your projected confidence change so much in like three posts??In post 5730, Black wrote: Kitty is town
can you draw out this set more explicitly? this feels like a very wide net, but that may be due to poor reading comprehensionIn post 5754, Flavor Leaf wrote: If Black is town, there’s scum in people who are saying they are town. Full stop.
mathblade i don't know why you are stupid. i will wagon enchant with you as an act of solidarity (i don't sr then but justice is more important)In post 5756, MathBlade wrote: Apparently that’s multiple people saying I am an idiot.
VOTE: Malakittens
I reserve the right to go back to an Enchant wagon later
this seems like incredibly bold play from scum? especially i feel like scum!mala doesn't feel like the lld wagon needs her help. from my read of d2 that one seemed like it was definitely happeningIn post 5790, Chandra Nalaar wrote: Mala case:
Promises content and doesn't deliver
Has somehow found their way onto both mislims despite being inactive (and the MG wagon is especially sus to me, that was obviously a bad vote imo)
That's it. That's the whole case
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oh i'm gonna stop self voting now. the bit was really funny I think
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anytime shirou. you are going to be my anchor because you aren't a god but you're basically a god at townplay and also usually i end up try-harding which stresses me out and then i quit
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firebringer is calling his town reads the elite 6In post 5804, Lazy Shirou wrote: also, people are dropping this "E6" stuff but does it mean anything other than a meme?
is that a game mechanic or something?
this is a very funny interaction.In post 5813, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 5810, MathBlade wrote:
LLD is dead?In post 5808, Flavor Leaf wrote: I still think LLD wagon is the right way to go
Sorry, Magical Girl Wagon
what do you mean personal detective reasons?In post 5812, Flavor Leaf wrote: Like, not purely fade someone simply because they were on LLD wagon, just feels like scum took advantage of LLD hard tunnel, and was saving scum.
Still kind of want Black flipped, but that might be for personal detective reasons rather than truly thinking they are scum.
not me! i'm gonna play how someone else plays :cool:In post 5817, MathBlade wrote:
Can we not get into this and just kill scum?In post 5816, Lazy Shirou wrote:
I'm talking exactly about self-meta stuff, which is still meta all the sameIn post 5815, Flavor Leaf wrote: I only use self meta, what you talkin about
Players gonna play how they play here.
this is a weird response. why do you think Titus thinks this defends them?In post 5827, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I don’t think this defends you as much as you think it does.In post 5820, Titus wrote: Either Math is town or we have a fucked up gamestate. His VCA is the same as mine so I strongly lean town here. However, he could be an opportunist. For now, town.
You use VCA too much, scum you would have a town looking Vote Pattern.In post 5855, Flavor Leaf wrote: How have you played with me that much and not heard of hatcheting, i bring it up every game
this is also funnyIn post 5857, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’m not scum’s pawn, i ain’t being warlocked here.
is... is this a claim? why?? also how does this change up the pattern? do you think fl is right about how the mafia was choosing killsIn post 5865, ItalianoVD wrote:
I was trying to guess who scum was gonna kill so I could protect that person. Didn’t think this at all and now that it’s out scum will probably change up the pattern, leaving me guessing again.In post 5844, Flavor Leaf wrote: I feel like scum are town reading me, but killing off the people town reading me, like Klick and Ranger.
i kinda agree with this. just on vibesIn post 5871, Flavor Leaf wrote: Math playing that way is a little too bold for scum who just replaced in, I think. Not impossible, but it makes me lean town there since I was leaning town on Norwegian.
Their end of day Day 2 i could see coming from scum, but i think im fine with Math overall for now
what's a scum lift? what's a great shout for execs?In post 5890, MathBlade wrote: I think Italiano is a scum lift socially and Mala is a good elim today. Meuh Italiano or Mala is a great shout today for execs I think
i think i could maybe go for a black elim also? i haven't been able to get too much of a read on them (i have read pages 1-20 and d2) besides, like, a little scumlean but i just feel it. i'm a little uncomfortable because black is fl's pet wagon and i don't super trust fl (could be more of a personality thing. fl definitely has a playstyle!!).
i'm a bit confused why there are so many votes on std and mala. there's plenty of people who scumread italiono. why are we going for lurkers when we could elim, like, an actual player with associatives and such? if i get some drive i will look at the people who started the lurker wagons. except mathblade. i townread him exclusively on vibes/gut. i hate gut read, but here i am.-
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you are so right that it wasn't cute enough last time and you are so right that this is cute enough <3In post 5900, Lazy Shirou wrote:
no no no...this isn't good. Not cute enough.In post 5896, Lazy Shirou wrote: thanks for reminding me Yimmy
*ahem*
Let's try again yes...
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darnIn post 5902, Lazy Shirou wrote:
I'm a big evil wolf that eats little kiddos' candies at night yesIn post 5898, Yimmy wrote: i hope you aren't scum :( i guess I should be able to find another meme buddy in this player list if you are but still
I hope you're scared because I'm coming for you next.
as someone who doesn't know that much i agree that dr drew was probably the vig shot. iirc he was being pretty hard pushed by at least one slot d2, and i don't remember any real pressure on rangerIn post 5908, SquirtleSquad wrote: Ok I misunderstood, I'm sorry.
My read would be doctor drew is way more likely to be a vig shot.
here are some more reads from my overnight read: titus town, especially post lld flip (titus was pretty firmly against that wagon and also for a wagon that i like)
whemestar town: i liked 4444. besides that it's mostly vibes ig
i liked squirtle
i disliked meuh a little bit
kittytacky seems like the most limmable lurker to me? i guess that doesn't line up with the vca
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oh i mixed up kitty and kittens. ok this is a good defenseIn post 5925, Black wrote:
Titus was talking about malakittens, and when I said "Kitty is town" I was mimicking KittyTacky and how he defends himselfIn post 5892, Yimmy wrote: this is a really bad interaction from black i think. why did your projected confidence change so much in like three posts??
Hi yimmy I'm black 🖤In post 5892, Yimmy wrote: hi guys i'm yimmy :) i like wallposting and i might not be able to read. nice to meet you guys :)
hi black!!! huge super townread because you said hi to me :)
i'm with fl here i think fl was pressuring black kinda fr d2 from my read. i wasn't there though i guessIn post 5940, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I’d say that’s cap and untrue cuz I was hard scum locking you earlier.In post 5938, Black wrote: FL if I told you I didn't like that you've been riding the fence on me all game are you going to accuse me of discrediting you?
no
I didn’t start fence riding you til mid Day 2.
ok you can be my backup if shirou doesn't work out <3 sorry to not commit immediately it's just scaryIn post 5942, Black wrote:
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flavor leaf is right. just because i think it was mean to call mathblade stupid it's nothing personalIn post 5962, Flavor Leaf wrote:
They want you super dead enchant!In post 5960, MathBlade wrote:
Correction: I wanted the overlapping voters dead. I voted you got told I was an idiot and went for Mala.In post 5958, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Mathblade wants you deadIn post 5957, Enchant wrote: Did i miss wagon on me
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ok flavor leaf so you're saying math isn't the elim today? so i just iso'd sheep for nothing??? (sheep was a super null slot i think. if there was pressure there i'd give it a more serious iso but for now i'm not feeling a lurker lim)
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that's a really good point fl. i was just so excited to answer your question about a flashwagon (the answer would've been "nah").
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could you be a little more specific? there's only 11 posts so i don't see the necessity of vaguenessIn post 5977, WhemeStar wrote:
Just didn’t rly like their day 2 stuffIn post 5952, MathBlade wrote:
Why did you challenge sheep to a battle?In post 5950, WhemeStar wrote: Guys I’m bored
Did you see the new league champ it’s a puppy so now I can be called good boy while I carry games let’s go i found my new main
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why did you back off after one "nah" anyway? there's still a lot of pressure to be had in a 20(?) player day-
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i'm interested in thi shirou read. skygazer was a pretty nothing slot (there are associatives there at least. hard to read without being there yknow) and i couldn't get a handle on shirou until like 3 posts before thisIn post 5978, Firebringer wrote:
shirou is townIn post 5898, Yimmy wrote: anytime shirou. you are going to be my anchor because you aren't a god but you're basically a god at townplay and also usually i end up try-harding which stresses me out and then i quit
i hope you aren't scum :( i guess I should be able to find another meme buddy in this player list if you are but still
welcome to the elite 6, yimmy
this felt towny. scum seems less likely to acknowledge how precarious our friendship is <3In post 5953, Lazy Shirou wrote: Yimmy is humoring and I want to not so ironically town read them for it even if I shouldn't
On a second note...goodnight people.
It's getting late~
this is a bad take though. mala and meuh are horrible gamestate lims. mathblade is maybe a decent gamestate lim but i don't sr him sooo (i will probably iso him asap cause the momentum here is so confusing. i'm kinda booked up this weekend though)In post 5993, Lazy Shirou wrote: VOTE: Mathblade
I can do Mala as well if it comes down to it I guess, I'm not confident on anything right now
I think any of [Math, Mala, Meuh] would probably progress the gamestate at least a bit even if we were wrong
like i'm having a much easier time seeing mathblade's version of events than anybody who is voting mathblade. shirou's vote change in 6028 is also bad coming after this postIn post 5997, MathBlade wrote:
I mean sure if you wanna out Mala as evil and how many people dog pile for no reason.In post 5967, Flavor Leaf wrote: Should we flash wagon Mathblade and see what happens?
Chainsaw: Your teammate is getting pushed, so you push the player pushing your teammate. This is the simplest version of Offensive Defense. Not only does it weaken the person pushing your partner’s credibility, it also splits momentum from Your Partner and the Player to You and the Player, which makes it increasingly harder to get the required amount of votes on either of you.
I feel that ever since I pushed Mala this is happening.
Pedit: Wheme is also acceptable considering the thing they used in the battle I don’t think is town aligned but could be. But considering the resistance to Mala I think she’s the better shout.
this also makes the 6028 vote change bad. maybe nai here. switching votes after this is just getting caught up in the 1v1 i think and that happens to anyone. vote for italiano instead :)In post 6002, Lazy Shirou wrote: I don't scum read Mala, I've not even read her posts
The reason they're there is just because that's consensus, like I was following consensus on StD
if mala flips town you are the guy who influenced the gamestate to get us there?? why is the mala!town universe the "give up and die" universe?? we all have other scumreadsIn post 6005, MathBlade wrote:
1) I don’t believe that.In post 6001, Lazy Shirou wrote: I don't know Mala alignment
I think you're scum regardless of Mala alignment
do you want to vote me Mala first then? Sure, but if Mala flips town then it will suddenly be a "setup"?
2) Then with the numbers the way they are why not help me bus?
3) I don’t think Mala flips town. If she does flip town then that implies scum have had the influence of the gamestate and we’d never have gotten a scum no matter who we pushed and we need to defeat the boss to save a nightkill death.
It would also mean that scum wanted town Mala alive for some reason a pocket of sorts.
It would not be a setup and would teach a lot about the game as a whole.
4) If I was scum I could easily keep the boat where it is. 0 reason to hard push.
don't completely remember why i quoted this one. i think i was under the impression mala was the consensus elim but mathblade was obviously leading that so idkIn post 6048, MathBlade wrote:
ThisIn post 6046, Lazy Shirou wrote: at the same time I think Math could also just be town and for some reason is able to get this confident about a game he hasn't read a lot, just from VCA
In a game where town is struggling and miselimmed a crap ton you don’t go with the common consensus. It’s rotten. Instead you go where votes lead.
i know!!! but mala you know you have the power to do something to change this. anything. pleaseIn post 6064, Malakittens wrote: are we serious right now?
WIFOMIn post 6078, Save The Dragons wrote: it's easy to say WIFOM to everything i post
it's hard to actually case me tho
sorry mathblade but i think i'm also team "defend mala even though i don't actually tr her". we don't need to elim a nothing slot today!! italiano is right there!!
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that was my understanding of "3) I don’t think Mala flips town. If she does flip town then that implies scum have had the influence of the gamestate and we’d never have gotten a scum no matter who we pushed and we need to defeat the boss to save a nightkill death," so i think there's a fundamental rift in our communication. can we try again from the start with you saying that thing again?
i think i understand not being picky. i just feel that italiano is a slot with similar odds of being scum who is also a good gamestate lim. like the case against anyone in the wagons pool is flimsy vca + they aren't doing anything but they're all people who are normally nothing players anyway (sorry if that sounds harsh. just like content and ability to get a read on) so like they are maybe >rand scum but i have an actual read on italiano
i think i can agree that the way people have responded to your mala push is weird. i should reconsider the gamestate merit of a mala lim since there's content around the wagon now but i'm not gonna be swayed from italiano on until i feel like there's more substance against mala cause gamestate isn't the only reason he's a better lim-
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this is really scary. i take it back enchant you are not a nothing player. you are a something player!!In post 6101, Enchant wrote: Protip: Don't make me your enemy.
ok so theres a set of people you think is town that are attacking scum and either a) those players aren't town and can't get an elim (why not? also it is good if people who aren't town can't get an elim) or b) they are town but wrongIn post 6102, MathBlade wrote: I agree Italiano is also a scum kill.
It’s more a matter of if Mala is town, then we have most of the players who I agree is town attacking scum then either A) Those players who I agree are town aren’t and therefore probably can’t get an elim due to wolves in the kitchen or B) The entire bloc is town and as a mutual group all of our reads are wrong.
It’s more a matter to me a Mala flip solves so much of the game socially.
i think i'm a lot closer to understanding you but the a) situation isn't clicking.
i think i believe your mala push is righteous (that is, coming from town) but i'm still not sure about the wagon at large and i'm not moving there for now.
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In post 6116, MathBlade wrote: I think there’s a core group of players like (this list isn’t exhaustive as I am working while typing) Fire you StD Titus (warming up to Enchant) that all kinda have similar reads.
(This paragraph assumes Mala is town which I disagree)
If this group has a scum that scum will be moving the consensus away from it while still being townread. Making it unlikely to get a scum elim.
If this group has no scum and Mala is not scum we have severe severe group think which I doubt.
ok so i still don't think it follows that town!mala means we can't get a scum elim today. i think the mala push is mostly coming from outside of that group. i think i'm back to thinking the original post (second quote) is a dramatic way to push a mediocre lim and that doesn't feel a lot like it's coming from town. i feel like i've gone back and forth on this a lot but that wagon is weird and bad. i'd say either mathblade is scum pushing it or there's scum in {firebringer titus squirtle meuh} cause this weird push, if it's coming from town, gives scum a nice opportunity so jump on a wagon under the radar. my brain tells me scum!mathblade makes the most sense but my heart isn't in it. i think i'm gonna shelve that thought for now3) I don’t think Mala flips town. If she does flip town then that implies scum have had the influence of the gamestate and we’d never have gotten a scum no matter who we pushed and we need to defeat the boss to save a nightkill death.
i'm not seeing an agenda here. this is not a super normal readslist and it isn't one that gives her any chance to push a miselim. i'm happy with it for nowIn post 6119, Malakittens wrote: i dont really have the mental energy to deal with your tunnel.
i have been majority of the game absence hence why i wanted a hydra partner, but mine flaked.
I kinda had FL for scum, i still kinda do
i had IVD for town, but that's mainly due to something that was said, but idk if i'm in my mind thinking its been said or its real
squirtle feels town
ceph feels town
std feels towny
black feels towny
why did you bring up lld here?In post 6120, Malakittens wrote: i didnt like lld posting tbhnaked votes aren't, like, inherently bad but the mala wagon is a horrible wagon to throw a naked vote onto. please
i think i could agree with that. meuh is pretty close though. you don't have to pick one of the 3 main wagons though. the day is young!!In post 6136, Flavor Leaf wrote:
STD been doing this stuff all game to me.In post 6124, Save The Dragons wrote:
talk to me about this oneIn post 6119, Malakittens wrote: I kinda had FL for scum, i still kinda do
If I gotta pick one of the 3 main wagons,
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yikes i knew i got confused about something. firebringer isn't supposed to be in that pool. revision:
i'd say either mathblade is scum pushing mala or there's scum in {titus squirtle meuh} cause this weird push, if it's coming from town, gives scum a nice opportunity to jump on a wagon under the radar. maybe squirtle isn't in this pool either. i didn't notice they had a vote there before mathblade (it said kittens instead of mala so it slipped under the radar). mathblade or {titus meuh} is way more workable
titus why did you decide mala was a better vote than italiano? i'm singling you out becuase meuh's progression is transparent and also because i want you to go back to italiano pretty pretty please-
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you can be in the pool of people who are super cool and i am happy they are in the game here
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i'm glad you asked!! so this was mostly a read a gathered from my d2 read overnight. here are some posts!In post 6173, ItalianoVD wrote:
Why?In post 5892, Yimmy wrote: i'm super into this because i really like being in the elite 6 and alsobecause italianovd is my biggest scumread right now by a lot
4619 pinged me. it felt like a wild misrep. cakez wasn't leading that lim and in fact had only mentioned her in 4529 and 4536, neither of which give the impression "fade wants to fade this slot so bad". and then you sheeped? why sheep cake? why not like squirtle or something?
4632 is a textbook scumpost. information over analysis and all that
4773 is bad. i don't think there was town motivation to shut down the conversation here. i also can't tell if "this slot" in 4764 is you or metens but it doesn't help your situation either way.
and, like, you know shutting down this conversation is anti-town behavior. see next quote where you complain about squirtle refusing to engage (i don't think that ever happened!! you are the guy refusing to engage!!)
this is kinda a silly thing but 4806-7 pinged me. felt svs but more confidently 4806 is uncharacteristic and a horrible way to introduce a read you never discussed before. like "i'm sure i can get support there". town doesn't talk like that unless they are frustrated about gamestate or feel strongly about the read (neither of those are you!!)
4965 read as a very verbose omgus against squirtle
i noted 5440 because it didn't seem true. most of your reads are pretty naked and i don't think that's how "thoughts on the game" are, and like... you also shut down a decent conversation back in 4773. this isn't necessary if your focus is on getting your thoughts on the game out thereIn post 6174, ItalianoVD wrote:
Does that mean you’re gonna talk to me?In post 6172, SquirtleSquad wrote:I've given up banging my head against the wall about italiano.
that's true. it was a topic d2 and i didn't feel like doing a catchup post start of day so the case was left in d2. sorry replacements!In post 6178, Lazy Shirou wrote: I'm caught up and don't feel like anything new quite happened other than Yimmy has been townposting a bit
I'm not sure anyone explained the case on Italiano? Wheme apparently summoned a Boss, Mala isn't contributing, and StD huh...Idk, but I think I missed if anyone mentioned a TL;DR on why they think italiano is scummy here
this seems a lot like mathblades feeling around the slot so i'm putting it as +town for both of you.In post 6179, Lazy Shirou wrote: I think Titus commented that me saying Mala would progress the game was weird when I was "chainsaw'ing" her
When I said "Progress the game" I meant that tomorrow enough people would likely reevaluate their reads if Mala flipped scum *or* town (be it the people voting on a counterwagon or the people that believed Mala was scum).
I talked about this in my previous town game but even if you don't believe a lot in a elimination, as long as it's something most people are confident in, a mislim could still have some positives given that there would be a new topic to discuss in the following day (and if it flips scum, well, that's just profit).
can you draw out this set explicitly plsIn post 6187, MathBlade wrote: Going to post very little here today but I think mainly scum are hard protecting Mala. Not enthused about that.
this is a bonkers set of readsIn post 6189, ItalianoVD wrote: I’m going to SeaWorld today so I probably won’t be active. A few of things I wanna say though.
I feel like I’m not truly vibing with anyone yet. I mean I got my townreads. I think I’m willing to trust Black, Meuh, and Mala. Mala is the only one that mayyybe doesn’t wanna vote me if it came down to it, the others not so much lol.
it was a topic enough d2 and i didn't care to give my case until asked i guessBut I’m suddenly feeling like I can’t trust anybody. Why are we hunting “outside” of the “Elite6” when scum is probably all up in that little group. It was a meme
Also no one has actually tried to see why they scumread me, it’s just the easy thing to do right now. Blue was townie, albeit a little rough around the edges, but he was townie. Rathe was super towny and come on it’s me. I’m amazingly, ravishingly, and beautifully townie.
that's me!! that's only me!! usually neglecting to draw out these sets explicitly is nai but like... it's only me!! it's not hard to see that!!But I feel those who are still holding on for dear life to ‘vote Italiano’ are just being lazy or scum. No cases at all. Just spamming. If there’s a vig then target me so those calling for my head can be in the spotlight. Oh and don’t let them wiggle out of it with their lame excuses. Push them until they crack.
Oh and Shirou is town. I feel like if you can find a way to trust me (this slot) I think I would feel soooo much better with you here and we can solve this game together.
Math is scum. I’m about 90% sure of that. If those who aren’t apart of the Elite6 want to actually start somewhere to solve, start here. Relying on those jokers and we’ll keep picking each other off one by one. Ciao.
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the elite 6 is firebringers townreads and i think it's a meme outside of that specific context.
anyway if you want to paint the elite 6 is the bad guys you have room give actual reasons!
from 5357 the elite 6 that's still alive is Flavor Leaf, Chandra, Doctor drew, Squirttle, Yimmy, Shirou. with the exception of shirou (who you townread) these are the highest volume posters in the game (minus you ig). i'm not fundamentally opposed to a deepwolf there but these people have posts, so if you want to paint one of them as scum you can actually say why
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i am very happy with how you've explained your thought processes. town vibes basically. i think the town vibes are maybe because i feel like dealing with being misunderstood and having to spell out all your thoughts so explicitly for me would be pretty frustrating for scum. <3
speaking of making you explain things to me, i have no idea what you are saying hereIn post 6210, MathBlade wrote:
If you can’t tell I am already doing that starting from Mala and building my web I like.In post 6208, Flavor Leaf wrote: Every single post you tried to act like Shirou is buddying me with it looks like they’re keeping me on a chopping block/discrediting me, trying to not have to town read me.
@Math - Look into how Klick and I were and look into how Ranger and I were.
Klick and I had just become a power duo, and I was super high up on Ranger’s town reads.
Scum are actively setting my game up to be lesser and for me to be easier discredited, which shows every passing day.
So i don’t understand the buddy comment rather than the discredit, keep me open, mentality
that was my initial interpretation but i switched cause talking about lld was closer to making sense. i also didn't realize that was a catchup post so while it doesn't make sense based on d2 itIn post 6216, ItalianoVD wrote:
Oh dang. No that’s not what I meant. By ‘this slot’ I meant the Blue/Rathe/me slot. The last part of that quote was in response to Dr. Drew saying I should vote LLD.In post 6192, Yimmy wrote:i'm glad you asked!! so this was mostly a read a gathered from my d2 read overnight. here are some posts!
4619 pinged me.
My bad I see how that could be misinterpreted. Definitely wasn’t a misrep, I think Cakez is probably town here.maybemakes sense if you had just read d1. hopefully i can read d1 over the week to get a fuller picture
ok i missed that my first time around. whoopsy-daisyIn post 6217, ItalianoVD wrote:Do you know why I brought it up in the first place? 4632 is a continuation of 4629.
It wasn’t just a pointless iioa."I don't believe town you would be this adamant especially being as wrong as you are, so the only conclusion I come to is you are scum pushing an agenda." this sentence gives it away. the first paragraph is "you are so very very wrong for scumreading me and not even townreading me and that makes you scum"
"everybody else is doing it" isn't much of a defense! i don't know why other people are being clammy but i do know that you said "i post to give my thoughts on the game" and being clammy like how you are isn't very well posting to give your thoughts on the gameIn post 6224, ItalianoVD wrote:
Yeah they are, but so are pretty much everyone else’s. This is a large and I’m not really serious yet as this is a large. If I can make it to midgame with more flippable slots and more information then I’d be doing something.In post 6192, Yimmy wrote:i noted 5440 because it didn't seem true. most of your reads are pretty naked and i don't think that's how "thoughts on the game" are, and like... you also shut down a decent conversation back in 4773.
If someone realllyy wanted me to actually case a read of mine I guess I’d get up the gumption to do it, but it’s a lot of effort. Effort I’m not comfortable exerting right now.
i have not gotten that impression. at the very least it's been pretty low pressure for you. you definitely had the opportunity to town it up instead of just shading people for scumreading you.In post 6226, ItalianoVD wrote:
Wrong. It hasn’t been just you. You are just the only one that has actually felt compelled to actually case me. Titus, Cakez, Save the Dragons, Squirtle, Chandra, and a couple of others have just locked onto the fact that this slot wasn’t limmed at the end of day 1.In post 6192, Yimmy wrote:that's me!! that's only me!! usually neglecting to draw out these sets explicitly is nai but like... it's only me!! it's not hard to see that!!
That in itself is not scummy or suspicious, it’s actually a townie thought process, but that’s not what I’m trying to argue. What I’m saying is that I feel that none of them are trying or have tried to see if what they see as suspicious is just poor wording, lack of understanding or something else.
The issue is that I townread a lot of them which is why I’ve tried to interact with those I feel are most likely town. I feel who I’m voting now is the scummiest of the bunch.
like this feeling seems very d1 based and you weren't even there for d1. i feel like a town replacement is thinking "i am a new person and have the particular power to make people reconsider this slot" whereas this "i am not even going to engage those folks who scumread my predecessors" feels a lot more scum motivated.
ok :)In post 6228, ItalianoVD wrote:
I know I do, I promise I will when the time is right and once I feel like it.In post 6192, Yimmy wrote:anyway if you want to paint the elite 6 is the bad guys you have room give actual reasons!
again i am not saying these are bad reads, but it is very striking how you are choosing to highlight only your controversial reads. uhh to me i guess. what i'm saying here is these are the two slots i was imagining a deepwolf in. idk if they've specifically had more pressure than the rest of the e6 from the playerlist at large. also are you rejecting the idea that drew was a vig kill?In post 6229, ItalianoVD wrote:
Yup you’re right. Just for the record I don’t think this potential deepwolf is in FL or Titus. I did think it was Titus for a bit, but Doctor Drew dying and being town sort of cleared her for me. I believe scum!Titus would rather bus in this situation. I’ve never played with scum!Leaf, but it very much feels like the last game I played with him when we were town together where ironically Math was scum (replacing into the slot very similar to this game).In post 6192, Yimmy wrote:i'm not fundamentally opposed to a deepwolf there but these people have posts, so if you want to paint one of them as scum you can actually say why
basedIn post 6241, Not_Mafia wrote: I won last night-
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6275 pings me in a weird way. i think the quotes bianco picked out really point to mala!town but bianco didn't really pick a side. this is an associative to look at later i think.
i'm gonna spend a minute making sure i'm not super stuck in a tunnel. like italiano is still the lim but i'm gonna make sure i'm absorbing the whole game y'know
i think i'm warming up to a mala lim? i've been getting town vibes from math pretty consistently. also i think chandra is swaying me a lot here so i gotta make sure i get a read on her. later though. it's also irking me a bit how mala pretty clearly knows trying to make a defense against math won't go anywhere (6112) but that's kinda all she's doing. it's hard to get a read because i think i do believe mala doesn't really want to play lol (that's ok!)
i don't, but why do you bring this up?In post 6285, SirCakez wrote: does anyone even TR Black??
sircakez 6284-91 progression seems legit. if mala is town scum!cakez sticks with the wagon, which is super easy for him to do since mala's behavior is very similar to std's. if mala is scum this is a weird thing for scum!cakez to do. i maybe could see it but i feel like scum plays it a bit differently than cakez did. i'm calling him town for now
i don't think italiano is scared of openwolfingIn post 6298, biancospino wrote: VOTE: StD
What is tripping me up is that from what I've skimmed IVD has beenreallyoutwardy in defending Mala. Like, I don't think this is at all a scum try to cover for a partner, it's far to blatant. Unless it is a deliberate attempt at being twtbw, {Mala, IVD} should contain one mafia at most
pr risk? what pr risk?In post 6300, biancospino wrote:
Ok but why trying that hard to save Mala? Seems like the pr risk would far outstrip the benefits of saving that particular slotIn post 6299, MathBlade wrote:
I think they’re both wolves trying to save Mala.In post 6298, biancospino wrote: VOTE: StD
What is tripping me up is that from what I've skimmed IVD has beenreallyoutwardy in defending Mala. Like, I don't think this is at all a scum try to cover for a partner, it's far to blatant. Unless it is a deliberate attempt at being twtbw, {Mala, IVD} should contain one mafia at most
I hate the StD wagon and it’s composition.
this sounds bad lol. like surely some part of her behavior swayed you? are you just very lim-hungry even though the day hardly started? like the only evidence you scumread mala at all is that you voted her. honestly though i don't see cum giving this answer it's way too boldIn post 6311, Titus wrote:
Had a wagon and momentum. I'd go back in a heartbeat.In post 6169, Yimmy wrote: yikes i knew i got confused about something. firebringer isn't supposed to be in that pool. revision:
i'd say either mathblade is scum pushing mala or there's scum in {titus squirtle meuh} cause this weird push, if it's coming from town, gives scum a nice opportunity to jump on a wagon under the radar. maybe squirtle isn't in this pool either. i didn't notice they had a vote there before mathblade (it said kittens instead of mala so it slipped under the radar). mathblade or {titus meuh} is way more workable
titus why did you decide mala was a better vote than italiano? i'm singling you out becuase meuh's progression is transparent and also because i want you to go back to italiano pretty pretty please
i kinda like std's readlist
i think it's lame how you were questioned on your 90% math scumread and instead of explaining it you said "hmmm maybe i was tunneled".In post 6323, ItalianoVD wrote: Alright so first of all I am probably tunneled so I need to take a step back and actually look at what is instead of what I want it or think it to be. I wanna hear from Leaf especially though. Biancospino linked Mini 2271 which was the game I was referring to where myself, Flavor, and Math played. Kitty was also in that game as well (I’ll get to Kitty later). I wanna know what you think about that game and this one Leaf and see if it’s similar or different and if so in what ways. I could be wrong about Math here, but it really feels like that game. Let me know if I’m missing something or putting something there that doesn’t need to be.
until d4 xdIn post 6335, Chandra Nalaar wrote: Listen how long are we collectively willing to let Malakittens slide by with the occasional self defensive popin. If we have a vig they are clearly asleep at the wheel.
hey uhhh why do you think mala is kinda the leading wagon today? i'm gonna agree with chandra that you're misrepping her case a bit. i kinda believe 6345 actually. the behavior is weird but i'm not finding the scum motivationIn post 6343, Black wrote: Your case on mala stinks and you shouldn't be surprised it's not convincing enough to push a lim though. You seem to complain when people don't listen to you yet when you have the floor you do absolutely nothing with it but complain about how no one listens to you
i really feel like i should be able to make something concrete of the black/chandra back and forth there but not right now. i should come back to it (maybe i will (probably not))-
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oh i read power role lol. public relations is a really weird thing to say in forum mafia. i think that's weird-
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what are you reading here that i'm not reading?In post 6439, biancospino wrote:So how the hell does a pokemon with a literal "can't die in battle" ability manages to die in battle
i think it's bonkers that town limmed mala and lld based pretty strongly on vca and then we hopped into d4 and said "let's do some more vca". like is the gameplan to just go up the magical girl wagon for the rest of the game/until we hit scum? what if there's not scum there?In post 6446, Flavor Leaf wrote: I wanna get back to the Magical Girl wagon tbh
uhhhh?? only one of those three cases incriminates those pushing you? also didn't somebody try to kill you? like in this post you say somebody battled you??In post 6460, ItalianoVD wrote: Wow, happy to be alive. I had already townlocked the slot that battled me last night so I’m not mad at that person at all. Actually makes me townread them more. I guess I’ll let them reveal whatever they wanna reveal if they wanna reveal it. :)
I do gotta say that me not being dead though at least fmpov incriminates those who have been pushing to get this slot limmed since Day 1. So either the vig finally saw my townieness before/after the Mala flip, seen the slot’s townieness from the start or scum have been pushing this slot all game. Or all three.
this is frustrating to me because you show a level of analysis far beyond anything you've done before in this game. like this is the same guy who's basically been omgus'ing exclusively through d2 and d3In post 6470, ItalianoVD wrote:Black
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patchwork
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Meuh
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Invisibility
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Mala
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These are my srongest townreads. The rest of my townreads with ranging degrees of townieness round out with Flavor Leaf, Titus, Wheme, Shirou, Cakez, Firebringer.
This leaves seven players where I legitimately believe the scum are:
Save the Dragons, Math, DGB/Kitty, Squirtle/Merlyn, Yimmy, Chandra, Not_Mafia
this is funny i think. obviously i am not resolving your pet wagon before resolving you.In post 6487, ItalianoVD wrote: If y'all wanna resolve this slot it will only be AFTER we resolve the Kitty slot.
VOTE: Kitty / DGB
oh you can get behind squirtle town because he stopped pushing you? in 6170 he said he's "given up banging [his] head against the wall about italiano"? which he was hardly doing at all d3 anyway? what does coming to his senses mean?? nothing changed except he expressed that he was exhaustedIn post 6511, ItalianoVD wrote:
I could maybe get behind Squirtle as town because of you guys' reads on him, but I don't really prefer mech over dayplay. At the end (before replacing out) he did say that maybe staying on this slot was pointless and kinda came to his senses, etc. But I still don't like how he interacted with this slot.In post 6508, biancospino wrote:
I strongly believe squirtle/merlyn is town. For mech reasons related to my role.In post 6506, ItalianoVD wrote:
Yup.In post 6484, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 2458, SquirtleSquad wrote: I both think blue is scummier than kitty AND think a blue elim is way more info.
this has some partnery vibes with Kitty.
Italiano should be able to agree with me if he looks up my pokemon in the pokedex or something
like i can't deny that i'm a little tunneled here but it is very frustrating that you are painting pushing you as, like, crazy. like "coming to your senses" is just not pushing you. especially when none of the people you are crazy are the guy actually pushing you (me)
that's funny that was exactly my limpool when i thought about it overnight. who is the scum that you were thinking would be driving the game in that direction?In post 6526, ItalianoVD wrote:
That’s fair. I think scum have both directly and indirectly been driving this game that’s why I wanted to come in today and get ahead of it. Otherwise it would’ve been “oh well Mala was town, let’s kill Italiano or Meuh now”In post 6522, SirCakez wrote:
Yes like maybe some people thought they were town but it's not like we were shooting for deep wolves here they were all scummyIn post 6521, ItalianoVD wrote: I assume you mean Mala, LLD, and Magical Girl?
like what i've seen on d3 was people were steered away from voting people they actually scumread and instead killed a lurker that had a miniscule case against them. like if someone came in today rallying against dgb/kittytacky that would be weird i think
i agree with the premise of the first part but i agree it's odd that black skipped over italiano hereIn post 6528, Black wrote: Quick thoughts
I don't like FL/Meuh pushing for a Kitty/DGB lim. This would be the second lim in a row they've pushed on a lurky inactive slot that provides zero information on flip. They can't possibly think this is the best course of action? Flip slots that are only scummy because of their activity level? This is either scum pushing safe mislims or town playing poorly
mafia could've easily talked about it overnight. speedliming is a very super silly ideaIn post 6532, Black wrote:
So according to this we have to decide whether we fight Girantina or a random Pokemon. Not really sure why we can fight some random wild encounter instead? Like what benefit would that be?In post 2, $elene wrote: Boss Battles
> During Cycle 4, Giratina will spawn.
> During the day, players must decide if they are going to fight Giratina or a wild encounter.
> While Giratina is alive, the Mafia gain and must use this ability during the day: During the Day Phase, if Giratina is alive: Target 1 player; announce that they are been sent into the Distortion World. This cannot fail. They must fight Giratina, also they lose -3 DEF during this fight. During this night phase, this player cannot be targeted or perform actions.
> It is announced who fought Giratina.
> Once all Giratina fights have been concluded, it is announced how much damage the boss took and who fainted to the boss.
> The Mafia will learn the HP values of everyone who fought Giratina.
> Defeating the boss will skip the following night phase
Mafia can use an ability to send someone to the distortion realm to fight Girantina. If we speed lim someone before they use this ability, what happens?
Mafia will learn HP values of everyone that fought Girantina. This is an incentive to not fight it and skip it, if possible
We skip night if we beat it, which would save a couple townies at the rate we're going, so that part does seem somewhat valuable
i always think it's weird when people say stuff like this. i haven't played enough to develop my feelings specifically. anyway why did you decided it was right to expose your intentions hereIn post 6540, ItalianoVD wrote: I think there is more information to get on pushing a Kitty wagon then actually getting it limmed.
i don't understand, can you rephrase?In post 6549, Chandra Nalaar wrote: I don't blame anyone for having second thoughts about me, but I do find trying to get the hardest one right now in this way to be pretty silly. If my actions are scummy to you, great - if you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater as a kneejerk reaction to our failure thus far, that's not helpful.
i think it is really weird that everyone started looking for kitty associatives so fast. maybe not scummy, but weird (i would call it scummy i think but none of the people with actual experience are saying anything so i'm willing to defer there).In post 6580, Save The Dragons wrote:considering I was voting kitty at some point, going into my ISO and finding one instance of "kitty is ok" and going "they must be partnered" is extremely disingenuous.
can you elaborate please?In post 6592, DrippingGoofball wrote: Italiano is town.
i respect that kill i think. this is a town postIn post 6603, WhemeStar wrote: YO HAVENT READ YET JUST WANNA POST
I KILLED MATH SORRY NOT SORRY HIT HIM WITH THAT 4 DMG
(they didn’t use any moves)
I AM FIGHTING GIRITINA
hooray for moving away from vca!!In post 6636, Flavor Leaf wrote: DGB, Black, Bianco, STD
Is probably a team solve. At least 2 or 3 in there.
I’m gonna move away from VCA and go off gut.
this is a townpost i think.In post 6651, DrippingGoofball wrote: Okay. I have a scum read. This scum read is: Chandra.
Here is why. They should be defending me vigorously today, but they are not. They are doing the bare minimum of confirming that we had a private Topic together, at their instigation and that my power gave them something overnight. However, it should be abundantly clear to them that I am down by virtue of the nature of my gift. They are saying nothing about it. In the private topic, I told them I targeted with a gift. They asked me if I had scum reads, I said no, and that was it. They were not helpful when I hinted about needing assistance.
So they got that I sent them a gift, they got that I had no scum reads that might affect the scum team today, they know the nature of the gift, they are not helping me, and I believe the scum team is going after me today because they know the nature of the gifts I grant and they do not want me to give it to the town later in the game.
yeah because people have been going coco for vca puffs. what do you think this means anyway?In post 6656, ItalianoVD wrote:
There’s a lot more dead in the orange than the blue. That’s interesting.In post 6466, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 4548, Flavor Leaf wrote:Italiano (10)Titus, Merlyn,Doctor Drew,Chandra Nalaar,Sheepsaysmeep,Save the Dragons,Meuh,Firebringer,SirCakez,LLD
Magical Girl (12)Lady Lambdadelta,Bianco,Firebringer,Yimmy, Shirou, Malakittens, DrippingGoofBall,Doctor Drew,SirCakez,Meuh,Mathblade,Black
On top of the Orange ones probably having scum, the Blue Differences could each contain scum, tbh. I'd be surprised if the Blue doesn't have scum in them.
i never felt like black was a big part of things. also i pressed multiquote on this post so the little box would pop upIn post 6664, Flavor Leaf wrote: Black has been nonexistent feeling the past few days, which is odd considering I felt they were a big part of things before.
I didn’t like how they kept hiding in the background and the game got distracted every time they were getting pressure. It’s happened like thrice.
I don’t have any new analysis on their slot that I wasn’t spouting before.
oh well Mala was town, let’s kill Italiano or Meuh now.
VOTE: italianovd
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i'm really sad shirou is dead. i'll never get another chance to woo him-
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very sorry for getting prodded. i blame the holiday in america right now-
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why is chandra being portrayed as the leader here? is this a thing people agree with?In post 6668, Firebringer wrote:
my agenda is to push all the responsibility of this game onto Chandra because i find his getting annoyed at this clown show funny and think him running the show is more entertaining.In post 6663, Flavor Leaf wrote: Firebringer’s pushed little to no agenda, and even under the push from Pink Ball, I just kinda liked how they reacted. I liked the e6 once my Chandra scum read went away, and DD flipped town.
So probably just gonna continue cheering him on while i watch.
If he is scum good for him on leading this clown show though :)
i don't understand what you're saying (i feel like i've said this a lot. maybe i really can't read)In post 6674, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Yimmy - on what if they’re not there? VCA is a supplementary puzzle to read overall gamestate, but still needs the other stuff.
Like, VCA can be the bun, but just a bun doesn’t make up a hamburger
good question!! why aren't you voting him?In post 6676, Titus wrote:
Sorry my VCA is all beef no gluten.In post 6674, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Yimmy - on what if they’re not there? VCA is a supplementary puzzle to read overall gamestate, but still needs the other stuff.
Like, VCA can be the bun, but just a bun doesn’t make up a hamburger
Why is Italiano still alive?
yeah you probably don't need to keep responding to me.In post 6677, ItalianoVD wrote:
Okay then what's the solution? You need to step away and refresh? It's what I had to do, cause frankly I think you can do better than what you're doing, expectations or not.In post 6658, Chandra Nalaar wrote: Your expectations are too high.
Yimmy , I don't feel like going back and forth with you. The fact of the matter is in this game Kitty has not gotten any attention and as I pointed out in my iso (unfortunately I can't quote the post number cause the posts have been getting deleted and now they're off), Blue's wagon was the direct counter to it. I feel that we were all looking at the wrong wagon (LLD/Magical Girl) and this wagon has not been mentioned at all since it got to E-2. I don't think it's a coincidence. So someone's gonna have to come with a pretty compelling reason for why Ishouldn'tbe voting and trying to resolve that.
Mind you this slot is the other slot from Day 1 that needs to be resolved and it should have been. Don't know what the vig/sk is doing unless they townread me, which is good because I'm gonna do all I can to solve this game before I do die. If you're town you need to focus on the task at hand and unfocus on me. As I said you or anyone else give me a good reason why Kitty/DGB is not the lim for today, otherwise join it.
also what the heck?? you say "my slot needs to be resolved" and then you say focusing on you is not focusing on the task at hand?? i am literally focusing on the task at hand by the very metric you lay out one sentence prior???? ????? i am going to go crazy
i feel like i am seeing a sort of sentiment a lot like "we have been wrong three times in a row, we are wrong about everything and need to start from scratch!!" (this is in the quoted post where meuh says the course we are on isn't good). i think encouraging people to doubt their reads and be directionless is not a good thing to do. i think if we stay exactly on this course and lim italiano and meuh then we start winning. (maybe not meuh. that is just a little bit of rhetoric. i could vote there i think, though)In post 6702, Meuh wrote: I find the votes on me just lame
People have been trying to solve and deviate from the course we're on (which is clearly not a good one considering our accuracy) and we're just circling back around to the old tired wagon on me
this is a pretty good post though. i should check to make sure it's accurate though (lol)In post 6707, Meuh wrote: It's like you've been trying to make sure you've established me as a viable wagon both so you can jump on it and so I can stay perpetually on people's radar (or at least perpetual until I get mislimmed, which is the endgoal there) without much substance as to why you're so willing to vote me and haven't reconsidered ever?? My early day 2 had solving that you brushed over to call me out on 2 random posts instead and my numerous attempts to move the game forward and figure things out are ignored and you're keeping the read stagnant.
There's nothing you find scummy or towny about my recent posting because you're not sorting me, you haven't actually thought about my alignment, you're not trying to figure things out, you're just making sure I never get too townread as to get out of the limpool. Your posts are the means to getting townies limmed and not the means to solving the game.
i haven't given titus too much scrutiny cause i assumed she was town vig. you bother her a lot for not pushing drew but i'm pretty sure she killed him. i didn't discuss this too much but italiano already mentioned and apparently titus already claimed to do damage so there's that.In post 6718, Chandra Nalaar wrote: titus case
also i disagree with claiming vigged but i'll go ahead and say that i took 1, 3, or 5 damage last night.
also why do you need to ask if there's an investigative? like you seem self-conscious about tipping your hand by implying you aren't an investigative and it seems like any answer to your question about investigatives is quite a bit worse
i agree with this. but also you are very close to the front of the dgb push. like you opened the day with it and then after this post you spent a lot of time casing dgb. this iw weird (for flavor leaf. cakez is good)In post 6721, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 6719, SirCakez wrote: My worry with Kitty/DGB elim is it just feels like another iteration of the scummy low content player elim where we will maybe hit scum maybe not
I'm not really interested in a town block ATM, we haven't even flipped a group scum yet
Yeah, that’s where I’m at too with DGB. I kind of just want to deal in Black and Italiano, tbh, but nobody seems to scum read either of them anymore.
i feel so unseen. #vote4italianoIn post 6725, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I think you misunderstood what I meant by friends, which I get. Probably on me.In post 6724, Firebringer wrote: if E6 is going strong and scum are in the townreads and are likeable and such....
idk i find that a bit of a contradiction leaf of you saying we can still trust e6 but we gotta start beating each other up because scum are playing the social game of being too likeable.
also who do i beat up? Should i beat up wheme for killing math
or should i make fun of Chandra.
Maybe i take out a page from meuh handbook and declare i am meuh
I think past few days, nobody’s really pushing anyone (besides Math on Mala), and just kind of hanging out as one big group.
Like for the most part, we’ve all been friends in this game, and nobody’s been seriously casing anyone or stepping on toes.
Like Chandra what they just did to Titus, we haven’t had any of that all game.
don't remember why i multiquoted this one but it stays. maybe my comment on how you were on the dgb wagon was supposed to be hereIn post 6729, Flavor Leaf wrote:
The people who were doing it were:In post 6728, Firebringer wrote: i think that makes sense but i think a lot of people have been bickering with u here.
But i haven't found it ver useful for solving because it all seems personality based rather than alignment based fighting u
Black, LLD, Squirtle, Chandra for a little bit.
LLD flipped town, Chandra I town read.
Leaves Squirtle and Black. Black backed off as soon as LLD/Squirtle took over, and Squirtle would do it both alignments.
So yeah, I don’t really think it does anything, and really that was mainly only Day 1.
I just don’t have a case on Black other than the fact that every time I had some momentum, it got distracted by another case, and Squirtle kept seemingly bailing Black out.
I then join the DGB wagon, after what I thought was decent group solving, and then somehow after I do, it gets shut down and distracted away again.
I feel for the most part, I’m getting town read, and yet I don’t have any true ability to rally, and maybe that’s because of lack of conviction? Idk.
I’ll town case everyone in the game, or at least try to, sometime when I get the chance. I did a little bit yesterday.
for the record i just don't want to be on the wagon because you are pushing it. also chandra is the only one who wants to get rid of not_mafia i think. i'm super pro not-mafia. they should live to elo at least.In post 6741, ItalianoVD wrote: I'll say this, I don't know for sure about Kitty, but the way the town was so easily able to go after Magical Girl and Mala, it makes me scratch my head that Kitty has not gotten that same level of oomph. I mean for those who have reservations about Kitty/DGB, you seriously don't think that it's weird that Kitty got to E-2 which was a major happening in this game at the time and yet NO ONE has even brought it up since then. We have killed Magical Girl because of the lack of content and Mala for poor VCA and based meta. No one has talked about Kitty in anyway and yet everyone is hesitant to vote there. We have been distracted and hey I don't know for sure that Kitty/DGB is scum, but it tracks:
1) Got ran up to e-2
2) Never talked about again after multiple counterwagons were formed
3) Basically scumclaims in 2499
4) Kitty claims as both alignments but the way it was done here felt like scum
I think Chandra is town and I think Meuh is as well so starting up another counterwagon to yet another Kitty one is just plain ridiculous to me. And why are the detractors not even trying to take a look at the case? Why are we still like "we don't wanna kill another no info slot" etc. Well I think we're past that now my peeps. I mean people wanna get rid of Not_Mafia the nonest info of none slots in the game. I don't think it's smart to want to go for Not_Mafia over Kitty/DGB at this point.
We are not at elo so it's not like we have to be careful and I'm saying that as a slot that has received heavy scumreads this game, all I'm saying is that we need to be smart.
i don't think flavor leaf has lead very much?In post 6792, Black wrote: Honestly I'm surprised people are still following FL's lead. He's either scum or a lost townie. He's been leading town down the wrong paths all game and he's trying to do it again by linking me/DGB together
i feel like there's a few wagons i could compromise to (i'm not drawing this set out explicitly because i'm lazy. i can if someone asks though ig) but definitely not dgb. i'm not moving yet though cause we got 10 days lol
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should've trimmed some more of those quotes :( they are so big-
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gamers, this is a prodge. i really gotta focus on school rn. tonight!!-
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sorry guys i intended to post but i got distracted cause i can do this thing where i suction to each other and when i let go they make a little farty noise and you can pitch it and it's very expressive as a musical instrument and now it's midnight. it's called manualism-
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end of day yesterday i stayed up until two drafting a post. i saved it and i'll go ahead and post it even though it's like 80% trashing italiano. as you can imagine i'm not enthused about the way things turned out-
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yikes my multi-quote hit 39. this is gonna be awful
that's true. it doesn't justify your place as one of the first 3(?) votes on the wagon and being very involved in the case made against him at the very start of the day. like i thought you were one of the wagons leaders up until a little bit before my postIn post 6826, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I think I made a post stating I thought there was a lot more content within the slot that I originally thought that got me close to that, though.In post 6822, Yimmy wrote: i agree with this. but also you are very close to the front of the dgb push. like you opened the day with it and then after this post you spent a lot of time casing dgb. this iw weird (for flavor leaf. cakez is good)
he won'tIn post 6833, Black wrote:
Maybe when you're wrong about me you'll start taking some accountability lolIn post 6831, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 6792, Black wrote: Honestly I'm surprised people are still following FL's lead. He's either scum or a lost townie.He's been leading town down the wrong paths all gameand he's trying to do it again by linking me/DGB together
Trying to lead town does not = leading town down the wrong path.
i definitely remember this post pinging me. umm maybe i think it's odd that you'd offer a mercy lim? idk, it's 1:30In post 6837, Firebringer wrote: Not up for elimming Black btw.
Could be willing to do it as a mercy out for this game if she is really not enjoying it that much.
this is a town post thoughIn post 6840, Firebringer wrote:
i mean he is my leader.In post 6822, Yimmy wrote: why is chandra being portrayed as the leader here? is this a thing people agree with?
yes sorry i'm fully willing to admit it has some merit. you just stink it up really very badly.In post 6862, ItalianoVD wrote:
There is an implication here that it does in fact hold some merit, but because you scumread me you don't wanna admit that it does. :) Am I right in assuming this? Or am I way off-base?In post 6822, Yimmy wrote: for the record i just don't want to be on the wagonbecauseyou are pushing it.
BTW where is your head right now? Have you fully caught-up? What are your reads looking like?
Who are these wagons you'd be willing to consolidate to?In post 6822, Yimmy wrote: i feel like there's a few wagons i could compromise to (i'm not drawing this set out explicitly because i'm lazy. i can if someone asks though ig)
umm let's see. {std, fl, chandra, meuh, black}. i think i was less willing to vote fl and black at the time of that post, and std is very on the edge. i wouldn't be happy with that compromise but i'd do it
this post is odd to me. they don't feel like actual thoughts. why was titus claiming to not be able to kill? why would you justify how answering a rhetorical question would help you?In post 6864, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
I was under the impression Titus was not claiming to be able to actually kill anyone.In post 6822, Yimmy wrote:
i haven't given titus too much scrutiny cause i assumed she was town vig. you bother her a lot for not pushing drew but i'm pretty sure she killed him. i didn't discuss this too much but italiano already mentioned and apparently titus already claimed to do damage so there's that.In post 6718, Chandra Nalaar wrote: titus case
It was mostly rhetorical but fair enoughIn post 6822, Yimmy wrote:also why do you need to ask if there's an investigative? like you seem self-conscious about tipping your hand by implying you aren't an investigative and it seems like any answer to your question about investigatives is quite a bit worse
If there are no investigative abilities aligned with town of any significance it would point me to the idea that claim is fake
this doesn't seem right. i think you pretty recently said you were trying and failing to leadIn post 6866, Flavor Leaf wrote: I’ve just been trying to coast until late game to solve.
It should make sense eventually.
absolutely not?? no?? how???In post 6868, SirCakez wrote:
Italiano is kinda the same thing as DGB no?In post 6721, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 6719, SirCakez wrote: My worry with Kitty/DGB elim is it just feels like another iteration of the scummy low content player elim where we will maybe hit scum maybe not
I'm not really interested in a town block ATM, we haven't even flipped a group scum yet
Yeah, that’s where I’m at too with DGB. I kind of just want to deal in Black and Italiano, tbh, but nobody seems to scum read either of them anymore.
what happened with merlyn? scumreading squirtle was a pretty integral part of your characterization, but suddenly squirtle gets replaced and you don't have to solve there anymore?In post 6874, ItalianoVD wrote: This is where I’m at right now and I think my solve is pretty efficient if you ask me. Not sure how different/similar this list is from my townies, but I think this is it.
Town
Leaf
Chandra
Wheme
Meuh
Bianco
Merlyn
Firebringer
SOLVE
Cakez
Not_Mafia
Yimmy
Titus
DGB
Black
Save the Dragons
this pinged me. whoops i forgot again. i think this is the wrong time to make something up. i'll call it naiIn post 6892, Black wrote: This wagon on me is fucking stupid
i think i agreed with thisIn post 6915, Flavor Leaf wrote: Black feels like scum mad that they’re caught for wrong reasons.
me when fl pushes me (this is a silly goofy post)In post 6928, Black wrote: I hope people eventually start to realize that FL is incredibly detremental to the town
incredibly complicated? elaborate pleaseIn post 6935, Merlyn wrote:
You mean you don't like how I wasn't posting while I was on VLA? :neutral: Because I think I've done a okay job of trying to get into an incredibly complicated game.In post 6931, Chandra Nalaar wrote: That makes sense. I'm primarily not trying to kill Merlyn right now based on her predecessor but the longer it takes her to do anything the less important that feels.
rip i think i have to leave the whole thing. ugly and grossIn post 6949, Titus wrote:
This list is just active = town from what I've seen. If anything we should be looking at the active players because being demoralized is a completely appropriate feel. Scum are driving and town have to fight tooth and nail to do anything.In post 6921, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
Did you include predecessors or just current players?In post 6919, DrippingGoofball wrote: I just iso'd the living players. Here's where I'm at:
TOWN
DrippingGoofball
Flavor Leaf
WhemeStar
biancospino
SirCakez
ItalianoVD
PROB TOWN
Chandra Nalaar
Black
Yimmy
NOT TOWN
Save the Dragons
Meuh
Firebringer
Not_Mafia
Titus
Merlyn
I agree with most of this so I'm wondering how you got SirCakez to town.
anyway i don't think that's a good way to read this list? sircakez, wheme, bianco aren't super active, and meuh and firebringer are both fairly active. i'm curious why it got characterized this way
this is a scupostIn post 6954, Black wrote: I'm not getting limmed today. Find someone else to be wrong about
this one pinged me and i do remember how i felt about it: i was confused. i think after continuing reading i'm persuaded it was more likely to be a scumpost than a townpostIn post 6971, Black wrote: The thing with IVD is I townread his slot for most of the game. I even liked what he was posting today at first. It felt analytical and in depth, like he was really thinking about the game on deeper level. Then his progression from having me as a top TR to voting for what I consider to be very weak reasons felt really fabricated, like he didn't believe what he was saying but he was doing it anyway. I recognize that part of me not liking this is because I don't like being scumread when I'm town, and I feel even worse about it when the reasoning doesn't match up. In my eyes IVD was correct about me when he townread me, so him eventually dropping that TR for silly reasons was frustrating to me. My issue is that I can see IVD having a change of heart about me as town but I don't think the reasons he applied to it make sense, so I'm struggling with my read here. And now I'm in danger of being limmed and his wagon is stacked right next to mine, which gives me even more incentive to vote for him, which taints my read even more. I know I'm town and I know he could be scum, even if I'm not fully convinced of it. My other scumreads are just as weak as my read on IVD so I don't feel great about anywhere I push. And yeah, I could do more research and try to strengthen my stance here and my position in the game, but I'm just checked out. I'm not in a good emotional state atm and the game isn't helping. I don't want to replace and I don't really want to sink my teeth in and do more, so I'm just here, defending myself, and pushing stuff that isn't me
i quoted this one because i read this last page first, and i don't understand how you got from posts like these to "everyone voting italiano is protecting black"In post 6979, Flavor Leaf wrote: You said you’re not getting limmed today, but also talking about how you’re playing survivalistic and open because of being a counter.
I like that second reason a little, if it didn’t have that first statement behind it.
I’ve gone back and forth with my read on Black, and it feels like anytime Italiano slot and Black get intertwined, the game significantly speeds up, and I think that means something.
Like I’m not even opposed to the possibility of them being Town/Town still, and scum plays around that, but I just think that world is unlikely. I’m like 50% Black scum, 25% Italiano, 15% town/town, 10% scum/scum.
i don't think this is true. this is a weird post to make just as the wagon is gaining momentumIn post 6991, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I doubt anyone thinks I made you look ‘bad’.In post 6986, Black wrote:
You've been shading me all game dude. Nothing is personal, and idk what hostility you are even talking about, but I can still be frustrated by the way you have been trying to make me look bad literally the entire gameIn post 6982, Flavor Leaf wrote: Like, I’m not trying to come after you aimlessly here, Black. I am generally interested in what you’re saying, and I feel my thoughts are valid in why you could be scum here.
If you are town, it is not personal, scum would be behind them. I feel like there’s just hostility because I’m pushing you, and hostility naturally comes across scummy to me.
I’ve barely been able to get anyone to think you look scummy, let alone ‘bad’
i think it's not right that you decided no one wants to go dgb (i could be wrong here though) and i think this is a weird offer and i think it's odd how you didn't consider vigging dgbIn post 7004, ItalianoVD wrote: If the vig or whatever has any shots or whatever it is you have left you need to take out the one who isn’t limmed here. So if Black is limmed then take me out. If I’m limmed take out Black. Since no one wants to go on DGB, that will have to work itself out like Not_Mafia unfortunately. I wish it would be sooner rather than later but nah. Ciao.
trimmed cause i don't remember why i quoted itIn post 7016, biancospino wrote: trim
any scumreads who aren't an obviously viable wagon today?In post 7021, biancospino wrote: As should be quite clear, I'm pretty confident there is >=1 scum in {you, ivd, maybe
DGb}
i don't think meuh made a scumpost. this is maybe a normal response to pressure thoughIn post 7023, Black wrote: Meuh dissecting a post of mine just to prove to Merlyn that I could be scum feels really weird, like she sees the pressure on me deflating and she has to start actually doing something to get it back. 7011 is basically Meuh applying a scum perspective to everything I wrote, which isn't hard to do when you're trying to make someone look bad. What I don't like is she seems to be agreeing with like 3 different things and saying she's done them this game too, but then saying scum could also do them. Her motivation here doesn't seem pure. She wants to paint everything I say in a negative light, and she's been doing it literally the entire game. I think she's just scum here
i think it's weird that responding to this single post by black is the most dramatic effortpost you've made all game. i agree with dgb that this looks like frustrated scum. i also remember not thinking you were completely right, but i read this at 1:30 (past my bedtime) and i'm lazy so i didn't think about it too muchIn post 7026, ItalianoVD wrote: trim
me too. i think i won't but i'd still like itIn post 7030, SirCakez wrote: Someone good at mech tell me if I should fight Giratina or not
uhhh people are defending italiano. this has been addressed i'll get back to itIn post 7031, SirCakez wrote: Who are these people? Especially I see like absolutely no one defending Italiano
nooo just because you were wrong about some things doesn't mean you are wrong about everything!! i think i see town thinking like this but it is sad to me (especially when i want to see an italiano lim)In post 7040, SirCakez wrote: I'm worried because I feel like I've been off course all game and Italiano is a SR I've had since day one - it was one of those "sure is scum" reads I had like LLD and we all saw how that went
Italianos posting has been better today too, but those first three days and previous occupants of the slot were baaaaaad
do you think flavor leaf has been defending italiano? he's felt like the biggest proponent of town!italiano to me.In post 7045, Save The Dragons wrote:
Wheme for oneIn post 7031, SirCakez wrote: Who are these people? Especially I see like absolutely no one defending Italiano
I think at one point dgb said italiano was town
There's also passive defense because italiano is apparently not being defended (which you are wrong about but anyway) and he still seems very much alive
this is a bad associative. we don't need to preflip and this isn't a good read anywayIn post 7054, Flavor Leaf wrote:
this is probs a partner tbhIn post 7025, Save The Dragons wrote: i think black is just town here
no idea why i quoted this one. i think it seemed a little towny maybe??In post 7057, Black wrote: trim
i could buy thisIn post 7065, Save The Dragons wrote:
Partners tbhIn post 7052, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 7014, Merlyn wrote: FL, what is your take on Italiano?
I think their town with the caveat I accept I might be pocketed. But nevertheless, I do think they are town. Take that for what you will.
I town read Blue hard, and now I town read Italiano individually.
i think you've been here enough to know we don't want a no-information lim. also i want nm to live forever and ever. this is a weird push to start making now. there are viable wagons. do you townread black, italiano, and dgb?In post 7068, Merlyn wrote:
Why don't we just lim NM then? I think he is universally SR but no one wants to do anything with him for some reason. I actually thought he'd been replaced out when I started hereIn post 7043, SirCakez wrote: This is the crux point of the game I feel like if we don't get a scum today this game is going to be very difficult to win
And that just makes it even harder to decide what to do aaaaa
this is the towniest post i've read all dayIn post 7079, Not_Mafia wrote: Nutella Crepes
why did you decide 5?In post 7091, Chandra Nalaar wrote: I mean yeah it's not a real read it's a "there aren't 5 players I see as scum so let's put NM in there."
yeah this makes me unhappy. definitely not me at least, and that leaves 4 people but one of them is black. spell out this set explicitly if you think there's anything actually here.In post 7099, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yimmy, Not_Mafia, Titus, Save The Dragons, Black, DrippingGoofball
This wagon has like 3 scum on it protecting Black.
who is they? i cannot parse this post, would you mind trying again completely?In post 7100, ItalianoVD wrote:
I think they felt some type of way when I placed them in my solve.In post 7099, Flavor Leaf wrote: Yimmy, Not_Mafia, Titus, Save The Dragons, Black, DrippingGoofball
This wagon has like 3 scum on it protecting Black.
italiano/flavor leaf associatives looking really bad rnIn post 7106, ItalianoVD wrote:
Lol. :lol: Probably.In post 7102, Flavor Leaf wrote: It’s possible Italiano has some scary dangerous scum role that scum role copped or something, and they trying to take him out.
Italiano, don’t worry about commenting on this :lol:
you think protectives are more valuable than watches? i was reading this as a fakeclaim but i guess mafia probably aren't too inclined to fakeclaim huh. and night 3 is accounted for i guess. i'm still sad you never investigatedIn post 7111, ItalianoVD wrote: Night 1 there was a protection on you Chandra. Night 2 I protected Titus. Tonight I was gonna check Yimmy.
whyyyy won't you survive the night?? are watchers just that scary? so very scary that mafia will nk an obvious potential mislim?? or will the vig that maybe exists kill you? how could you possible die tonight??In post 7115, ItalianoVD wrote: Anyway if things turn around and if we decide to actually vote for scum and I'll be back. If not...
I won't survive the night anyway. :lol:
Happy hunting! Don't let that ATE get you my townies! :lol:
i feel like italiano's play is so blatantly focused on either not giving information (d2-3) or on having complete thread control (d4) and it's really so bad.
i went back and forth on black a lost as i read. i'm not a super fan of her reactions, but i'm also wary cause italiano likes that wagon now. could be a survivalistic move anyway. i think i could still vote there today. obviously i don't want to. i think i like std a lot lately too. yikes. anyway vote italiano!!! <3 <3 <3-
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i should probably look at black and dgb again. they were decent wagons ig-
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this is trueIn post 7136, Not_Mafia wrote: I killed Bianco-
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i should but that's a lot of work. i don't even like readingIn post 7141, SirCakez wrote: I kinda want to throw out all my reads and start over
cakez have you specifically been wrong very much? you are very shaken for someone who hasn't been leading a mislim charge or anything as far as i could seeIn post 7158, SirCakez wrote: Kinda feel like I should just use random.org to find scumreads and it would probably be more accurate then the shit I've been putting out this game :dead:
true againIn post 7164, Not_Mafia wrote:
Bianco challenged me, I was merely defending myselfIn post 7152, Chandra Nalaar wrote:
Great job no one was scumreading them thanks for nothing as alwaysIn post 7136, Not_Mafia wrote: I killed Bianco
i think this is funnyIn post 7176, Meuh wrote: If we lose this game I blame Italiano-
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titus can you claim if you vigged doctor drew n3? you've already claimed your ability so i don't see what you gain by leaving the doctor drew kill as a mystery-
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this one irked me but on further thought i think i'm just picking on boring writing styles. flavor leaf has been super pushing black all game so i feel like a normal person leads with "black is probably scum" but i feel like for a while you were pretty even on pushing either way. on further further thought this is real. i feel like you waited until you saw a reaction to really pick a side, even though your outward opinion all game was that black is scumIn post 7194, Flavor Leaf wrote: I've been town reading Wheme, and to a lesser extent, Chandra, most of the game, and while I see there's a world where they're both scum here, I think Occam's Razor is just Black is scum.
i wanna evolve. i hardly get giratina anywayIn post 7204, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, y'all scummy for not fighting Giratina.
pre-flipping a slot is ok when i did it myself like three days prior. i think that's my defenseIn post 7210, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also Yimmy's big post says it's bad when I pre associate STD with Black, but likes when STD pre associates Me with Italiano.
Didn't age well for Yimmy or STD there. I think Yimmy's still town, just wanted to call it out.
idk why i quoted this one. uhh nm probably isn't a killer cause bianco challenged him. bianco's action was how he diedIn post 7216, Flavor Leaf wrote:Meuh
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Black
IMO, Not Mafia is not a scum killer, and doesn't claim the Bianco kill if scum. @Not Mafia - Did you kill one of Drew/Ranger?
Yimmy I think is pretty townie obviously, even if I don't like some of their comments.
Part of me wants to put Cakez in the DGB tier, but I'm holding back because I got super paranoid of Cakez recently.
Merlyn/Squirtle slot just wouldn't surprise me at all tbh. I stayed away from truly diving into Squirtle before.
this ellipsis is super sus... i'm going to do a meta dive to see how often black uses ellipsis... it just feels forced...In post 7218, Black wrote: So either FL is lying, or Wheme and Chandra are scum...In post 7221, Titus wrote:
I couldn't scum blocked me. Public announcement was made.In post 7205, Flavor Leaf wrote: Titus is probably also scum. They lied about saying they were going to heal me.this is a bad interaction for flavor leaf i think. titus' defense is mod confirmed and i feel like a real guy would at least acknowledge that the landscape was a lot different now. anyway, fakeclaims aren't worth much this game anyway i think so it's weird to push that titus fakeclaimed
mech is actually complicated but it's not an excuse to not participate. doesn't matter until night. the wagons where all pretty digestible, too. basically it was just long? anyway, you can just say things. it's what i've been doing. i literally haven't read pages 20-175.In post 7231, Merlyn wrote:
I'm kind of surprised at this question. But okay, when I replaced in the game was at 6,500 posts and I eventually realized there was no way to catch up. There are a bunch of things to learn, including if you should battle someone or fight a boss, and if that means you flip or just sit out a round. Every time I've seen something that pings me, I go back into the 6.5K posts to try and see if my thoughts make sense. It feels a little bit like searching at a library.In post 7181, Yimmy wrote: incredibly complicated? elaborate please
this feels like a real answer but i'm not sure it's a town answer
this is realIn post 7235, Black wrote:
The fact that you aren't bloodthirsty for my lim here makes me think you're just scum tbh. You just got proof that someone you've been scumreading all game isn't aligned with two players you townread, but for some reason you're not pushing? You're riding the fence a bit to much here and it's really making me doubt the validity of your claimIn post 7233, Flavor Leaf wrote: After Italiano flip, there was no reason for me to claim that if I were scum here for a push I was already pushing and was likely to gain more steam after Italiano flipped town.
read your posts from this day that we are in right nowIn post 7239, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In what world do you think I don't want your lim?In post 7235, Black wrote:
The fact that you aren't bloodthirsty for my lim here makes me think you're just scum tbh. You just got proof that someone you've been scumreading all game isn't aligned with two players you townread, but for some reason you're not pushing? You're riding the fence a bit to much here and it's really making me doubt the validity of your claimIn post 7233, Flavor Leaf wrote: After Italiano flip, there was no reason for me to claim that if I were scum here for a push I was already pushing and was likely to gain more steam after Italiano flipped town.
I've been pushing you since Day 1.
i didn't like this at first but on second thought it's super normalIn post 7243, Black wrote:
Don't misrep me. I said one of you or Chandra is 100% scum. If it's Chandra then Wheme is scum tooIn post 7242, Flavor Leaf wrote:
If Chandra is 100% scum from your POV, then Wheme should be too.In post 7237, Black wrote: I'm down to lim either Chandra or FL. One of them is 100% scum from my pov
I could to Wheme but we get more info out of these two
It's statements like these that show why Black is scum here.
why do you think you are the only invesigativeIn post 7246, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 7243, Black wrote:
Don't misrep me. I said one of you or Chandra is 100% scum. If it's Chandra then Wheme is scum tooIn post 7242, Flavor Leaf wrote:
If Chandra is 100% scum from your POV, then Wheme should be too.In post 7237, Black wrote: I'm down to lim either Chandra or FL. One of them is 100% scum from my pov
I could to Wheme but we get more info out of these two
It's statements like these that show why Black is scum here.
If one of me or Chandra is scum, and you can see that as them being scum, why would we ever go me first? I am like the only Investigative role in this game apparently bar Italiano's low power invest, but he had other stuff that made him strong.
i feel like there was some incentive to claim since you already mentioned that you were trying very hard to stay alive.In post 7254, Flavor Leaf wrote: Do you agree that had I not claimed anything, I'd have been more likely to get a fade on places as scum?
I see what you're saying on the regards of it 'being a scum ploy that wins the game'
but if I were scum, I was already in a position to win the game without pulling a 'scum ploy'.
anyway i think we lim in black/fl. i will think more about which one later but i am going to be late for school rn
like my heart says fl but i know i have left over feelings from pre-flipping italiano (sorry) and black kinda has cornered scum vibes. i'm not happy
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sorry, looks like you got caught...In post 7287, Black wrote:
wtf lolIn post 7284, Yimmy wrote: this ellipsis is super sus... i'm going to do a meta dive to see how often black uses ellipsis... it just feels forced...
if you lim fl today, you get limmed tomorrow and then we have two conftown. if you get one of chandra/wheme limmed, then fl, then you got two mislims out of it and only one conftown.In post 7290, Black wrote:
What do you mean by this?In post 7284, Yimmy wrote: black is incentivized to delay a fl lim as scum if it's not elo
Also why do you not think we should lim between me/Chandra/Wheme?
this is real. on further further further thought flavor leaf's post was normalIn post 7295, Flavor Leaf wrote:In post 7194, Flavor Leaf wrote: I've been town reading Wheme, and to a lesser extent, Chandra, most of the game, and while I see there's a world where they're both scum here, I think Occam's Razor is just Black is scum.
Like, Yimmy was talking about this post, and Black responded that if I were town, I'd have lead with 'Black is scum'.
This entire sentence's purpose is saying Black is scum, and giving additional reasonings why I believed that to be true.
The conclusion of the post and summarization of tldr; is Black is scum exactly.
i thought you said chandra was a better lim than wheme. hence you are voting chandra.In post 7298, Black wrote:
I don't think it's dumb at all. This claim gives you some lim protection today seeing as people will be more inclined to test your theory first before yeeting you. It also removes most accountability from you after I flip town because you can just say "welp guess Chandra and Wheme are scum lolz" and then try to misfade there. My guess? You're lying scum and one of Wheme/Chandra is your buddy. Probably Wheme is my guess. That way maybe you can fade there after misliming me to ensure scum still wins after killing the final piece out of me/Chandra/WhemeIn post 7297, Flavor Leaf wrote: but yeah, see what I mean about why it would be dumb as scum to claim this rather than just get an easy misfade.
It's not as dumb as you are making it out to be and the fact that you keep bringing that up is scummy af-
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yeah that lines up with how things are going right now (not actually true)In post 7311, Black wrote:
Wrong. The claim only puts pressure on you after both I flip green and one of Chandra/Wheme flips green, and at that point it probably doesn't matter because town likely loses with two more misfadesIn post 7305, Flavor Leaf wrote: Like you're saying I did all this so i'd have an out if you flip green, but I feel like fading you here with this claim puts more pressure on me after that, where if I were to push you without the claim, and you flip green, it just would have looked like i was wrong on a tunnel as town.
this is a sketchy way to ask this question. but also no lolIn post 7331, Flavor Leaf wrote: Sorry, let me ask this to everyone.
@Everyone - Does anyone think that a ScumFL would feel that everyone would accept a claim such as the one I did not to be questioned at all at this point in the game? That nobody would call me out?
also i just remembered something important: i'm watcher and i can confirm flavor leaf visited chandra n3 (the results are in flavor so it's really hard to remember them). anyway i trust flavor leaf now lol-
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now that that's out can anyone remind me what claims are currently outstanding? i haven't been taking notes. i think none of them are things i've seen but i've just demonstrated my own incompetence so-
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liligant, porygon2, naganadelIn post 7377, Chandra Nalaar wrote: did anyone else visit me night 3?-
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yeah, i saw these pokemon visit chandra: regular liligant, porygon 2, furret, naganadel
i'll go ahead and claim the rest of my results. i can't imagine why not
wooper and haunter visited flavor leaf night 1
nobody visited whemestar night 2
i forgot to use an action last night. whoopsy-daisy etc-
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ok so we are sorted? i am telling the truth?
lol idk meuh i am just a watcher (i also have second move but it's kinda worse. i'll bring it up if it's worthwhile)-
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gamers i just now realized that i don't get to evolve a second time. i don't pay attention to anything
anyway yeah i wouldn't be surprised if there was a move like substitute somewhere-
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shirou showing up ad another player is an ability, not a move. it happens every time he used an action-
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i acknowledge that i've been content-light today. i am deflated after the italiano flip and then flavor leaf being pretty trustworthy mechanically (i kind didn't trust him)
but don't worry, i know how to make things right
V/LA Thursday 7/13 until Monday 7/17
i will technically have internet access but i won't want to use it-
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oh lol i think this is elo. bottom of the vc says "this is final 11 so votes are locked in" (not quoting cause im on phone and vacation. look)-
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hi guys i'm back. i think i'll read today later today, and i'll read the remainder of yesterday later than later today.
so personally i'm looking at a flavor leaf/{wheme, cahndra} 1v1 (i just like it when things are simple and i think it's blatant one of those two groups is scum). yesterday i was pro flavor leaf, but i think i'll admit that's because i was very excited to see the game become simpler to understand. like i was unhappy about italiano and i really wanted to sheep someone y'know. i've since considered how his ninja claim was actually very convenient (i think trying to 1v1 me specifically might not have been the move for mafia!fl) and i'll also go ahead and claim that i watched flavor leaf and got "no result" which means fl got rolestopped or i got roleblocked, and like, i don't see town rbing me and scum would rb the parity cop well before they rb the watcher. so that's a little weird
anyway hiiii-
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i'm here guys!! i will spam post my thoughts on today starting now-
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you got knocked out last night so your action didn't go through? i was ko'd also but my action worked afaictIn post 7881, Titus wrote: I did not act last night. A creature knocked me out because of my damage from Tina yesterday. Not sure if I would have healed FL.
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have you full claimed? is defense curl actually the move that makes you an unstoppable ninja? that doesn't seem rightIn post 7885, Flavor Leaf wrote: Lol, I chose to Defense Curl last night instead of Foresight.-
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i am not connecting point a to point b hereIn post 7889, Flavor Leaf wrote:
This is super convenient considering I took dmg last night and fainted.In post 7881, Titus wrote: I did not act last night. A creature knocked me out because of my damage from Tina yesterday. Not sure if I would have healed FL.
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sorry i think you are overstating you and black's involvement with italiano? this is a convenient framing for you to make as scum, but i can also see you thinking you are very important in a place you aren't as town. cause of the way you are. anyway this is weirdIn post 7890, Flavor Leaf wrote: My Black tunnel being gone now, the Italiano/Flavor/Black triangle was given full center stage to sabotage one another.-
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somewhere deep in my gut i agree with this. that's for later thoughIn post 7893, DrippingGoofball wrote: I have been getting strong scum vibes from Titus too.-
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like this is basically nothing but it always feels like flavor leaf is trying to shove a narrative in that just isn't the real one. like we know at this point that there's five scum and it's elo. why does flavor leaf insist on saying every post "maybe there's only four scum, though, guys!!"In post 7901, Flavor Leaf wrote: I can’t say for certainty who the 5th is if there is 5 scum.
Chandra/Wheme/Titus are lock scum.
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sorry, now that you know fl is scum? i've already claimed to be an investigative as well, ftrIn post 7903, Chandra Nalaar wrote: Titus is scum - now that I know the investigative claim is scum, her claim to be investigation immune makes no sense-
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why don't we want to settle the 1v1 that gives us a lot of information? limming anyone else just seems like it's dragging things outIn post 7882, Titus wrote: I strongly want NM here but will decide between FL and Chandra/Wheme today if required.-
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