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Note to town: I have a vague idea that this initial votecount has more relevance than just a starting point. It may outline connections or other information. As of now, I'm copying its current state into my notes, because if it contains any relevant information, Xyl is bound to change it eventually.scumchat never die-
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Mostly because otherwise I don't see what purpose it could serve. The only other thing that I could think of was to pre-empt a random voting stage, but since players are not responsible for votes that have been cast for them, there would be nothing to follow up on.Scattered wrote:
Can you explain why you think that?Korts wrote:Note to town: I have a vague idea that this initial votecount has more relevance than just a starting point. It may outline connections or other information. As of now, I'm copying its current state into my notes, because if it contains any relevant information, Xyl is bound to change it eventually.
unvote, vote: tubby
Blatant rolefishing.scumchat never die-
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Purely by stating the theory you were rolefishing.tubby216 wrote:@ korts i wasn't role fishing i was stating a theory,
Shut up.Vi wrote:
No.tubby 18 wrote:i would think it has something to do with power roles that those that have them have the most votes to intice them to be more active but thats just pure speculationscumchat never die-
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@Vi, I meant don't comment on that, proving or disproving that theory both hurts the town.
Explain why it is in the town's interests not to have your vote out somewhere.CoheedCambria09 wrote:
meaning? I don't see the need to have it on anybody at the moment.Korts wrote:@CC09, are you going to do something constructive with that vote?scumchat never die-
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What's wrong with being halfway to a lynch "on page 2" or otherwise? Does it halfway get them killed? Do you oppose bandwagons, and if so, what do you have against them?CC09 wrote:Theres no reason because its pretty much the random voting stage, and I was going to Random vote Zazier (he knows why) but then I realised he already had 3 votes from the beginning and didnt want someone halfway to lynch on page 2.
It's the biggest deal as of now, CC09... serious or not.scumchat never die-
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My beef with not voting is that you essentially have few other options for reaching serious discussion than using your vote. If you don't vote, you're essentially not playing.
And I pick on you especially because I only saw you unvoting and not revoting. If you're aware of someone else withholding their votes, please point them out so I can have a go at them as well.scumchat never die-
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Wow. Missed tubby's post. The fact that I was ambiguous is important. Any specific speculation other thanin your headis bad for the town right now. I just made a note to town that it may have some relevance later, but otherwise I don't want us to concentrate on itas of now.
Also, I like how you turn to Appeal to Emotion right after the second vote on you.scumchat never die-
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tubby, no-one, I think, wants to lynch you at the moment. You are my top suspect, but I wouldn't be comfortable going through with a lynch for lots of good reasons. But Appeal to Emotion ("but hey if i have to get lynched to tell the town who the true scum are") isnevera good route to take. WE don't know you're town, and you won't go very far in convincing us if you just state it over and over, wailing that we'll be sorry.scumchat never die-
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Dicouraging use of a common scum tactic by pressuring or even lynching is, in my opinion, entirely valid. And the particular setup speculation on tubby's part served scum motives, since it could easily have outed power roles by them either confirming or denying the theory's validity.Crazy wrote:And I don't believe Appeal to Emotion or "getting worked up over a vote" is a scum-tell either. I mean, none of you have ever seen a worked up newbie before?
What else are you going to discount as newbtell or anti-town, not scummy? You're making an awfully big show of defending tubby, any reason?scumchat never die-
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tubby turning on Crazy seems like distancing, to be honest. It was too quick and without consideration, although he does throw in the idea of Crazy-scum leading a witchhunt against SpyreX/me in the event of tubby-town being lynched. Thing is, newbie scum don't always know measure, in my limited experience with them. They might start bussing too hard, too early, or buddying up too obviously. For now, I believe tubby's distancing, because he believes himself to be dangerously close to lynching as opposed to slightly closer than others.scumchat never die-
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I don't really like DGB going after vaguely, but not especially anti-town tells when tubby's actions and the others' reactions actually may show something. This looks like fake scumhunting. What exactly are you expecting to devulge from the reaction to your vote, DGB? Or what purpose otherwise does it serve?
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Ok, let's make this clear. I honestly don't think tubby is up for a lynch as of yet. His actions can be explained away with a simple explanation that he didn't realize he was rolefishing, and when pressured, it is simply a newbtell to resort to Appeal to Emotion.
I wanted to see how many people would follow in my wake if I pressured tubby for it. I'm looking at SpyreX right now, pretty hard, especially after he professed to being comfortable lynching tubby after page 5 and two valid but far from solid tells dropped.
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EBWOP: didn't read tubby's post.
Thing is, though, I wasn't rolefishing (although I don't actually believe you were intending to). Your theory was attackable, while mine was simply that the first vote count may be of some importance, and it is important that I didn't speak or want us to speak about specifics.tubby wrote:That was his initial post about the pre vote count thingy, since he brought it up I figured it was ok to post what I thought it all meant. Plus he doesn't even take any heat for it,, i mean no one calls him on it thill way later
I agree, to an extent, that you didn't have much choice other than to either "OMGUS" or take a jab at those protecting you. Nonetheless, the context of the vote was, again, attackable.tubby wrote:Then there is this response to my thoughts on crazy, I posted this and voted for crazy cause I honestly it was the only other case I could see to make,,
I do hold that my pushing your case was entirely valid and based on pretty solid evidence for the amount of information so far; I don't exactly like how you paint it like I would only have motivation as scum to push for your lynch.tubby wrote:I honestly believe it could be korts leading the lynch for me is scummy, why,
Because either way its win win for him,
If I flip scum he wins because he led the charge to get scum lynched
If I flip town he wins because my actions were to newbish and too scummy therefore I need to be taught a lesson which he stated here
That was exactly my intent, to get someone to state that they actually feel good about yourtubby wrote:Also in this post he is also polarizing the town, those for my lynch and those opposedlynchbased on this evidence, and not just your wagon, because it wouldn't be sensible to lynch on this case, at this stage of the game.
Don't get all worked up, you just need to get ahold of yourself.scumchat never die-
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Not nearly as much early in the game as, say, voting. But let's not waste more words on this, this belongs to the MD forum at best.hascow wrote:Post 27 - Korts: unvoting isn't constructive?
Probably, yes. But I didn't see CC09 trying much to find alternative routes to discussion.hascow wrote:Post 35 - Korts: False about the vote thing, actually.scumchat never die-
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Okay, let's talk about it, then. Unvoting in the early game, especially from a vote you did not make of your own accord and therefore aren't responsible for it, does not promote discussion other than perhaps being called out for it. It doesn't really evoke reactions, because it isn't something that affects someone negatively (as in the case of a vote, where someone gets a vote closer to a lynch). Do you think unvoting without revoting is constructive? If so, how?hascow wrote:Post 159 - Korts: No, we can totally talk about it here, since we can't talk about it out of game. Why push this conversation to the side when it could have bearing on the game?scumchat never die-
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EBWOP: meant to paste this at top of last post.
As much as I myself don't like the page number senselessly waved in my face when trying to scumhunt, I think when people are committing to ahascow wrote:Post 144 - Korts: ALERT! ALERT! PAGE ARGUMENT SIGHTED!lynch, the state of the game should also be factored in. And the state of the game, as in the amount of information for Day 1, can best be measured by page numbers.scumchat never die-
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I think there has been plenty of actions that are worthy of a closer look.DoomCow wrote:It's just, what is there to analyse?
And what's wrong with revising the analysis with new information gained? There is no point in an analysis if you're only willing to make it when there's been mod-confirmed information revealed. You might as well just ask the mod to post the setup and role PM distributions.DC wrote:Since nobody died as of now, we don't know the possible motives around anything that has happened. So any analysis made at this point would have to be revised later.scumchat never die-
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That wasn't directed at you.MafiaSSK wrote:
I seriously did. Not a newb tell this time.SpyreX wrote:A bad newb move that the only recourse is negative for the town is a bad newb scum move still.
Okay, then please clarify how tubby only had motivation as scum to do what he did.SpyreX wrote:A bad newb move that the only recourse is negative for the town is a bad newb scum move still.scumchat never die-
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I know you explained how there's scum motivation before. My point is, there's also motivation for town, especially newb town, considering the town doesn't have any information to start with, and newb townies in particular tend to grab at every piece of information they can get.
In addition, given tubby's claim of never playing so seriously before, I'm having doubts as to whether he'd think such a scum gambit through in his first post.scumchat never die-
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Let's see what we can doZazieR wrote:I feel ignored .
I posted some stuff in my previous post and there are many who just ignore it.
My only proof is that he considered himself confident enough in tubby's guilt, even though discussion hadn't been about any other player, to lynch him. Although I do give him slight town points for not OMGUSing me when I turned on him.Zazie wrote:Korts, do you have anything to prove that spyrex is scum, or is it only him willing to lynch Tubby already?
Because I didn't really believe in the wagon to start with. I jumped on a newbie making a fairly obvious mistake and tried to push it as hard as I could to see who would follow in my wake.Zazie wrote:Why did you change from attacking Tubby to understanding tubby?
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If he had said "no, of course not", it would've been strange because there's no implication who DGB meant. I don't think that's a very good point at all.Zazie wrote:I'm having some problem with these quotes. DGB asked this after Tubby's response, the only response between the posts of DGB. Then Tubby asked about who DGB was talking. He should have known that it was about him and someone else. If he was a townie, he wouldn't have to ask what I have quoted as he isn't a buddy with anyone at all as townie.scumchat never die-
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Pretty nice. What's it from?Vi wrote:What do you think of the new avatar?
Let's clear this. It's scummy when you dismiss adahill1 wrote: i lolled so hard when i read this...so let's get this straight you were pressuring tubby for reactions? i usually only see scum do this type of thing in which they afterwards say they did it "for reactions". looking for reactions can pretty much be an excuse for anything. ex- me:hey i'm scum vote: me.
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i'm unsure about Korts atm. due to a previous game i was in with him i saw him attempt some stupid gambits then too as town, so i'll have to think about this one.scummyaction as having fished for reactions. I don't see how simply pushing a fairly valid wagon is in and of itself a scummy action, therefore I don't see how I could've benefited from stating that I was fishing for reactions unless, oh yeah, I was fishing for reactions.
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I'd brought it up because it had just occured to me that it might have some relevance. I didn't think my post through, much like tubby; but his phrasing and the fact that he suggested a theory that, if commented on in any way by others, might easily out power roles, was something that I could easily attack.dahill1 wrote:especially since korts was the one to bring up the subject in the first place! korts, what did you think you would achieve by bringing up the weird VC if you didn't want any further discussion of it
I didn't like how he was avoiding my request to put his vote somewhere or adequately justify not voting. And "not having any suspicions" does not justify, especially early in the game, his vote staying away from any player, because without voting, it's hard to acquire suspicions. And I didn't see Coheed trying to stimulate discussion in any other way, either.dahill1 wrote:
really? this is stretching it, to me.Korts wrote:It's the biggest deal as of now, CC09... serious or not.
I'm sure he was. My beef was with his unvote without anything else (while discussion had already begun), which implied lurking until that specific point in day 1.dahill1 wrote:not true at all. if you don't vote at all in the game, then yes that's bad. but i'm sure CC planned on voting at some point in day 1.scumchat never die-
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And there you have your point disproveddahill1 wrote:Korts wrote:So you say that suggesting a theory that, both if confirmed or denied, hurts the town, cannot be percieved as intentional or unintentional rolefishing?it could be by some, but i didn't think it was and i felt those who did think it was were trying to push a crap casescumchat never die-
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