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Post Post #5843 (isolation #600) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:07 am

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In post 5815, sheepsaysmeep wrote: nah gamma is p right about pt stuff i think, its just not something thats incredibly unlikely to come from scum lol
She linked an example earlier
theyre just fairly frequent imo
I specifically noted a caveat that I only thought there was a lot of content in that server since the scum in it bluffed really well, it didn’t have that much in it when I looked myself
If you were just saying “I agree with gamma’s stance” it would be fine but citing the discord link as an example in favor of my point is off-base
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Post Post #5844 (isolation #601) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:08 am

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In post 5816, sheepsaysmeep wrote: If anything I think std/norwe pt things he described are more likely to be not w/w; I don’t think they are but it did give me pause
What were these btw? I’ve been trying to find why I thought Fenrir wasn’t scum w Norwee and that might be it
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Post Post #5846 (isolation #602) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:09 am

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In post 5823, T-Bone wrote: I mean it's clear that they had a long conversation in the PT you confirmed it and believing that you could make up an intricate conversation between two players that aren't you is a little insane. (Though kudos if we find out post game you did just that)

I asked Gamma whether she thought they were capable. I'm sure fake PTs between scum have happened before and will happen again in the future. So I'm not questioning whether such a thing could exist.
Ftr I still think Shirou+Alisae absolutely could have built up that amount of posts as both scum
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Post Post #5847 (isolation #603) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:11 am

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In post 5845, Thestatusquo wrote: That's not responsive at all.

Which is it, is it unlikely or is it likely gamma? If it's unlikely why are you ignoring that? If its likely please provide evidence for this claim
How about no? In fact, I dislike this sole focus on locking me into a stance. I feel like scum tried to do this to me in Eurybia’s Curse.
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Post Post #5848 (isolation #604) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:11 am

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In post 5820, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 5797, T-Bone wrote: Oh as a side note I do want to apologize to Dunn as I am quoting things he can't really answer for. I found myself in a situation last game where I hyper focused reading on a big player who replaced out and I didn't give the replacement player as much benefit as I should have early on. Same thing applies to Gimli to a lesser extent.
Here's what I can say though:

Alisae challenging Psyche would have been bold if both Alisae and Shirou were mafia together. That puts both of them on the chopping block against only 1 other person; and the outcome wasn't super clear cut either
This does ring a bell for me
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Post Post #5850 (isolation #605) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:13 am

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You know what, it’s trash fire time. I have a tinfoil that the remaining scum is Sheep and Shea.
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Post Post #5852 (isolation #606) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:14 am

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In post 5849, Thestatusquo wrote: So you refuse to take a stance on if the PT is real or fake?
I believe the PT is real
Jury’s out on Dunn’s alignment in regards to that
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Post Post #5858 (isolation #607) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:29 am

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In post 5853, Thestatusquo wrote: Nothing you've said today reads as a genuine attempt to find the scum team, complete with the omgus when I'm pressing your weird position on a completely reasonable thing for you to have an opinion on.
Clearly you aren’t actually reading, I thought you could be scum earlier. Ctrl + f “trash fire” in my ISO and you’ll find when I thought it
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Post Post #5868 (isolation #608) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:16 am

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In post 5861, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 5850, Gamma Emerald wrote: You know what, it’s trash fire time. I have a tinfoil that the remaining scum is Sheep and Shea.
Why does TSQ go after you for the pt thing if it's not me?
Because he’s trapped himself in defending you for it?
But like, look at how he’s contorted his pushes recently.
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Post Post #5869 (isolation #609) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:18 am

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In post 5864, Firebringer wrote:
In post 5851, Thestatusquo wrote: eh fuck it again

Swap in Gammas team


VOTE: gamma emerald
Single Braincell vs Johnson's vs 7.02


Gamma Emerald(1): Thestatusquo
Thestatusquo (0):
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Not Voting (6): Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Save The Dragons, , Sheepssaysmeep, Gimli, T-Bone



With 7 Alive, It Takes 4 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-24 16:45:00)

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VOTE: Sheepsaysmeep
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Post Post #5870 (isolation #610) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:24 am

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Look at how Shea has maneuvered this round and tell me him and sheep being scum together doesn’t make sense
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Post Post #5872 (isolation #611) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:57 am

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Spoiler: for the resident comedian
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Post Post #5874 (isolation #612) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:15 pm

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How am I approaching this in bad faith?
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Post Post #5875 (isolation #613) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:16 pm

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5872 was meant to be jovial ftr
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Post Post #5876 (isolation #614) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:49 pm

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Please don’t hammer me before I post the big point in my defense I’ve been hyping up for the latter half of this game
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Post Post #5882 (isolation #615) » Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:11 pm

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In post 5878, Thestatusquo wrote: Why would you have an already cooked up big point in your defense when you've been under roughly zero pressure this whole game
Because I have a self-conscious streak? It’s why I can give nuanced self-meta takes like I do.
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Post Post #5919 (isolation #616) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:39 am

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I think the slots I like the least atm are {sheep, Dunn, Shea} so Gimli’s PoE seems decent
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Post Post #5920 (isolation #617) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:40 am

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In post 5918, Thestatusquo wrote: I am still flabbergasted that anyone thinks that PT was faked. Have you folks ever been inside s-s pts?
Legitimately who has actually said “I think it’s fake” in the past 10 pages? I think that stance much less popular than you claim it is and it’s incredibly suspicious that you continue to push this narrative.
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Post Post #5923 (isolation #618) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:42 am

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Just say “theatre”? It’s still one word.
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Post Post #5931 (isolation #619) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:58 am

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In post 5926, sheepsaysmeep wrote: bro im so confused by ur perspective on the PT

I think I fully agree with gamma about it

outside of that I agree gamma's been ridiculously wolfy for a couple pages lol
I reject your agreement.
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Post Post #5932 (isolation #620) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:00 pm

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As much as I think Alisae had been suspect, sheep seems to be actively trying to put words in my mouth, so I want sheep dead before Dunnstral.
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Post Post #5933 (isolation #621) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:01 pm

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In post 5762, Firebringer wrote:
Highest bid is 400
Bidding ends 24 hours from this post
@mod it has been well more than 24 hours since this post
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Post Post #5939 (isolation #622) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:17 pm

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You probably do I just didn’t like you saying it so much
There’s a reason I almost always say “I *think* I agree”. After getting into a bad spot in a game early on from agreeing with someone too hastily, I’ve worked to curb my eagerness to agree with folks.
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Post Post #5941 (isolation #623) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:18 pm

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In post 5938, T-Bone wrote: In theory scum!Dunn could just pull from the scum PT and claim it as the private PT if you're really looking for a plausible explanation. But I think I pulled enough interactions from Shirou that really paint that slot as town.
I think this is extremely bold if true, mostly because he’d have to prune out the other 2 scum from what went down in the scum PT.
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Post Post #5943 (isolation #624) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:19 pm

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In post 5940, Thestatusquo wrote: I think sheep is bending over backwards to not put words in anyones mouth here tbh.
That was not the impression I got but I am less sure now
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Post Post #5946 (isolation #625) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:24 pm

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I should be back at my computer within an hour or so, at which point I will work on writing up why I would’ve never killed Pooky in this game.
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Post Post #5952 (isolation #626) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 5948, Firebringer wrote:
Highest bid was 749. The auction is now concluded.
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Post Post #5955 (isolation #627) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:06 pm

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I don't get how Alisae claims to be interested in just solving in the most basic sense and disregarding the mechanics, and then later openly plays for money. MONEY FOR WHAT?
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Post Post #5959 (isolation #628) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:59 pm

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how do you know that was Shirou's intent?
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Post Post #5960 (isolation #629) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:04 pm

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So as preamble to the logic of why I'd never kill Pooky this game I want to give an overview of our PT, which reached 6 pages and was well into that sixth page when pooky died
  • the thread starts off with me doing my bog-standard opening of claiming scum, Pooky then claims scum back by saying he doesn't see me in the PT to which I retort "parallel universes"
  • I then poke Pooky a bit about having 34 posts already which prompt him to essentially say that's on the low end for him
  • Pooky asks about minigames and pulls the thread on my scum claim by asking for a buddy, which I snap-replied to with Shea
  • I ask Pooky about his Cakez opinion, he says he doesn't really have one and recalls I have read him well in the past (which I am considering dialing back) and asks me about my read there, which I respond to by saying I think cakez is scummy. Pooky says he's down at which point I fire the challenge off.
  • Me and Pooky both conclude T-bone is town from his reactions to the challenge (I liked his gutsy responses to me, Pooky figured T-bone would voted cakez immediately)
  • I post a readlist that basically goes "pooky and tbone town, shea+furtive+penguin+fenrir leantown, cakez and shirou scum, norwee and alisae leanscum". I also comment that it feels like we swapped places since in Hidden Temple 3, Pooky lolchallenged VP Baltar and Noraa, and I fielded numerous questionable SRs, meanwhile here I challenged cakez/tbone by like page 10 and Pooky was being shaded by Shirou, Alisae, and Norwee all together I think. I become more comfortable with Shea!town a couple posts down.
  • Around the time I called out the bolding thing Shirou did, I post that I think I've got him pinned down. I call Freedom stiff but hedge my bets by saying I've basically never seen him play except for a hidden alt game. Pooky responds by saying Freedom feels more fluid as mafia, effectively saying "the thing you're seeing from him is town-indicative". This topic kinda gets left by the wayside after.
  • I make a post saying I have a strat I feel breaks things in favor of town, Pooky says he thinks Alisae is desperately trying to de-escalate Shea in the matter of "why are you completely ignoring the mechanical ramifications of your suggestion" discussion. I comment about Ali's PoE lining up with mine and Pooky replies by saying he is unsure if Ali knows how unwise it is to bus in nightless (which based on hidden speezy my gut sense is e doesn't). I comment that I feel like Cakez's FoSes are semi-random. I also state that Norwee's comment at one point Ali being "more aggro as scum" rings like something Ali has said as self-meta before (in other words but w/e).

  • I theorycraft that Ali+Shirou might be T/T (with Pooky also being town) based on this game feeling a lot like Hidden Temple 3. I suggest not engaging Shirou's AtE, Pooky says it's too much fun, he also requests I say something that would probably get me in trouble if I actually did post it if he got voted out. I note that Shirou's weird wavy approach to Pooky does not go unseen.
  • I make 2 posts almost 24 hours apart both expressing that I've lost my hang on the game. Pooky says to just relax and have fun. I comment that I think Shirou and Norwee are joined at the hip in their scumminess, Pooky basically agrees. [Tactical Omission] I note I don't trust Haschel if most of the original scumpool I had ends up being town, since it felt like Hashcel arrived late to the party to kinda just echo thread consensus on matters. [Tactical Omission]
  • Pooky says furtive is rushing the vote by saying there's no reason to wait for a swap. I note that I kinda see the read but don't feel as strongly about what furtive is doing. I basically feed Pooky my list to submit for the event at the time.
  • we both essentially co-mald at people being scummy and the results of the first event. Pooky posts a solve of furt+shirou+cakez+penguin, I kinda go on a tangent that it essentially seems that the teams of Single Braincell and Johnson's have mindmelded on the Shirou-Norwee-Alisae scumpool. Pooky replies that we're either really on point or really off-base. (I think this is around the time furtive got swapped in) Pooky calls furtive and Alisae not SvS and I note that Alisae is bitching about the voting options after having opted to swap furtive in (to pause for a second, I think this is an
    absolutely abysmal look
    when compounded with what T-bone and I have scrounged up in this thread, since it seems clear Alisae had just been BSing eir way across the game). We then have hammer and furtive flipping town.
  • I note that I'm townreading Shirou's turning against Alisae, since I felt like they'd been kinda allowing each other to exist in a blind spot prior. After a few posts Pooky says he has trouble seeing Shirou as town when he hasn't given many actual takes.
  • Around this point is when I start coming down with the sickness (I can keenly state this since Jan 24 was my first day working my new job and the very next day I started feeling unwell). This is also the time of the flag minigame.
  • I ask Pooky what his Shea read is, since around this time I started thinking "maybe Alisae is scum trying the same type of game as hidden speezy and Shea is the intended deepwolf". Pooky kinda trips into what I think scum were/are doing with the kills while discussing why Shea might not have been shot yet. Pooky notes he's been creeped out by Cakez for a while.
  • there's next to no activity between the second event ending and the third beginning. Once the third event begins I throw out the idea of killing through all the not-Pooky people who voted both furtive and Titus. Fire says we have to submit privately which causes me to compare the action handling to Rocky Horror Picture Show by drealmerz (a tl;dr: absolute dogshit game where the mod was a massive cunt, would never make anything clear, and insulted his entire playerbase after the game got called because he stopped running it). Most of the next several post are just coordinating the rest of the third event.
  • once we win we debate (in a very civil manner) who should swap and what team should be swapped out. There's a few more posts that are small potatoes and then Pooky gets shot.
Now, across this whole post, you wanna know what never happened? Me and Pooky never turned on each other. I'm pretty sure that has NEVER happened in a game before. In our earliest games I had constant paranoia of him after he dominated as scum a couple times. In HIdden Temple 3, I accused him of cheating in a casual chess match and I believe that put a pretty big damper on our hood. In this game, while I wasn't particularly aware that Pooky didn't trust me at the time this went down, he took me posting something that was meant as a kind gesture as gloating. And in the LOST large theme, we had a pretty substantial blow-up happen between us End-of-Day 2 because I felt uncomfortable with a joke he and Lukewarm made that I felt like was at marcistar's expense, and they both kinda proceeded to trample my feelings on the matter.

NOW, Given all of that history between me and Pooky, let me ask you this:


WHY DO I KILL POOKY WHEN I BASICALLY HAVE HIM IN THE PALM OF MY HAND?
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Post Post #5961 (isolation #630) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:05 pm

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The above goes double for Shea who if town, was probably just as solid of a kill without the particular history me and Pooky have.
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Post Post #5965 (isolation #631) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:29 pm

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Pooky died almost immediately after norwee got voted out
which btw tells me that scum were basically holstering until they could win or their first member got voted out
which now that I write that out, I can't believe I or anyone else legitimately thought Psyche could be a bus after that shot happened like it did
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Post Post #5966 (isolation #632) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:31 pm

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atp I think the winning strategy is to never vote out Gimli or Tbone, and we should hit another scum before another shot occurs so I think the worst that happens is like, a 3p endgame with one of them, me, and Shea
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Post Post #5968 (isolation #633) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:37 pm

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I don't think Shirou had anywhere near the level of history with Pooky that I do.
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Post Post #5969 (isolation #634) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 3:38 pm

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In post 5964, Dunnstral wrote: OK this is a summary of your PT

Which isn't that interesting to me because I know that Pooky was town, so you would have been talking with them either way

And there were 4 mafia alive when Pooky died, so maybe someone else wanted Pooky dead

I do townread the effort though, which is maybe shallow reasoning.
ftr the PT summary is meant to support the second part of the post by showing how in this game me and Pooky have been vibing quite well
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Post Post #5970 (isolation #635) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:15 pm

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I was entertaining a thought that Shea deliberately went after me after I blew basically all my money on the auction but the highest bidder updates the scum got were also every 24 hours and I only had a high enough bid that I couldn't swap back after the 400 was announced
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Post Post #5973 (isolation #636) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:42 pm

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In post 5971, Dunnstral wrote: Speaking of the auction, who bet 749 and why?
That was me
Which is why I thought Shea might have been trying to pull a fast one against me.
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Post Post #5974 (isolation #637) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:43 pm

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In post 5972, T-Bone wrote: I mean the answer to the "why would I do XXX" question is always "so I can later ask why would I do XXX".
Or I could just keep the player who showed zero signs of leaving my pocket alive? I think that serves scum!me way better than a WIFOM ploy.
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Post Post #5976 (isolation #638) » Thu Feb 16, 2023 4:56 pm

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I think that’s an entirely pointless question.
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Post Post #5982 (isolation #639) » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:06 am

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In post 5977, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
In post 5973, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5971, Dunnstral wrote: Speaking of the auction, who bet 749 and why?
That was me
Which is why I thought Shea might have been trying to pull a fast one against me.
can u answer the why?
I feel like theres much more scum motivation to bid basically 750/750
I was just pushing the envelope on how much I could bid while staying under the default price
It was probably not smart of me to do that.
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Post Post #5983 (isolation #640) » Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:41 am

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In post 5981, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 5976, Gamma Emerald wrote: I think that’s an entirely pointless question.
It's an entirely pointless question how you know when scum got updates?
Why don’t you try giving answer to that question?
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Post Post #5996 (isolation #641) » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:55 pm

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In post 5987, Save The Dragons wrote: Thestatusquo - town
sheepsaysmeep - ??
Save The Dragons - town
T-Bone - ??
Gamma Emerald - town
Gimli - ??
Dunnstral - town
I find it exceedingly troubling who you have as question marks.
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Post Post #5997 (isolation #642) » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:56 pm

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I think TBone and Gimli are more obvious Town than me or Shea.
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Post Post #5998 (isolation #643) » Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:58 pm

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In post 5985, sheepsaysmeep wrote: gamma im interested in forcing std v dunn if u wouldn't override it with ur own force challenge
Can Force Challenge be used during a challenge? I didn’t get that functionality from what I read.
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Post Post #6014 (isolation #644) » Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:44 pm

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In post 6002, sheepsaysmeep wrote: and we cant swap ourselves out right

bruh
I think you can’t swap yourself in
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Post Post #6031 (isolation #645) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:12 am

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VOTE: save the dragons
E-1
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Post Post #6034 (isolation #646) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:17 am

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that's 4
tbone, sheep, you, me
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Post Post #6040 (isolation #647) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:03 am

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In post 6036, Firebringer wrote:
In post 6018, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
swap my team out for std if that's legal
This isn't legal.
where was this previously stated?
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Post Post #6044 (isolation #648) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:29 am

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In post 6041, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I think it’s why enchant’s start-of-game strat didn’t work
enchant said you couldn't swap yourslef in I thought
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Post Post #6046 (isolation #649) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:50 am

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because I wanna work this out first
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Post Post #6058 (isolation #650) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:45 pm

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In post 6048, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 6046, Gamma Emerald wrote: because I wanna work this out first
you literally just put him to e-1 for a hammer like 30 seconds ago.
that was before the first swap was rejected which raised questions for me
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Post Post #6059 (isolation #651) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:47 pm

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so either it's Shea and Sheep like I said earlier or we just lose
because I'm never voting Tbone or Gimli
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Post Post #6060 (isolation #652) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:49 pm

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challenge team johnson's
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Post Post #6068 (isolation #653) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:27 pm

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I don't think anyone's scumteam can feasibly not have you in it so if you're town the game is basically lost
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Post Post #6078 (isolation #654) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:36 pm

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my thoughts are all in a whirl
who did it seem like norwee and shirou thought would bite it in the third round? If it's solely psyche my thought process doesn't really change but if not then I need to rethink
I still don't think this challenge was a throw because tbone is never scum imo
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Post Post #6080 (isolation #655) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:37 pm

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In post 6074, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I think he's still lock clear to me, we don't touch the PT lmfao
why has Shea been lock-clear for you? this feels like bogus
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Post Post #6081 (isolation #656) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:38 pm

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In post 6079, Thestatusquo wrote: Yeah bruh the guy who fought tooth and nail last phase to put dun in the town clear pool and directly led to the lims on shirou and norwee could be scum good point I'm just the worst fucking scum player of all time. Turbo bus every single one of my buddies and fight to keep the susp. townies out of the POE and not let people lim them.
yeah and you think I kill Dunn here? You're past Pluto with how far-out your thought process is.
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Post Post #6105 (isolation #657) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:01 pm

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Well that sucks
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Post Post #6122 (isolation #658) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:14 pm

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I really just fucking let myself be pocketed by TBone here, huh
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Post Post #6127 (isolation #659) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:24 pm

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In post 6125, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 6124, Alisae wrote: I regret my performance here
You've got company here (!)
Absolute mood
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Post Post #6151 (isolation #660) » Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:01 pm

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Yeah I’m ignoring y’all’s meta reads forever
You’re both clearly willing to abuse it
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Post Post #6162 (isolation #661) » Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:22 am

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