Gnosia Game over!

[JunkoChan]

First things first Enchant is being helpful VOTE: Enchat easy game

I got curious, got the game and played for like 8 hours straight

I also got the characters i wanted *claps*

[JunkoChan]

Aside from just the Engineer and/or Doctor claiming, does anyone think we should claim characters before EoD? Mainly asking since Sha-Ming exists, which means the Grovel skill likely exists.

PE: Nice, I've been playing as well, mainly just practice runs using the settings the mod is using here. What's your opinion on the game so far?

Gets fairly complicated once you get the game rolling, first loops while the game is explaining roles and stuff felt like Button mashing simulador because of how obvious the gnosia we're, it aint a master piece but it's fun

I think we could character claim without outting too much, at least mine is different from what I expected i think it's fine

[JunkoChan]

I only looked information without playing. I have no real knowledge.


Also voting in this game is anonymous.

Also. Who the hell is Enchat

Take it as a fos vote

[JunkoChan]

Imho with the flips being anonymous it doesn't make sense to bargain with the mafia to "play with us" because we will never know if the bug died or not

I think one thing we could do tho is that if mafia fails to kill one night they can trade one of their own for the bug, they won't know if it was a doc save tho so it's a winwin for us

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

I'm a human!

it's obviously I'm a human, haven't you looked at me?!?!

[JunkoChan]

An ability has been activated!

For this dayphase only we will have a standard voting phase and skip freezing phase.

Please vote for who you want to be frozen using vote tolds aka VOTE: Maria bolded votes will not count!

VC 1.0

Not voting: (15) Scoliosis, Marashu, Roden, Jessica Rabbit, Elmo TeH AzN Klick, Ranger, Yume, FakeGod, JunkoChan, Enchant, Autere, shiki, Not Known, 15 narrow parking,

Deadline is in (expired on 2022-12-16 04:39:24)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

VOTE: Enchant

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

I'm a human!

it's obviously I'm a human, haven't you looked at me?!?!

I hate this post it feels almost too good

you haven't played the game (gnosia) have you?

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

sus on anyone who doesn't answer to this directly

[JunkoChan]

I am not claiming d1, sus me if you want

you are not claiming you are human because...?

what's the problem with that?

[JunkoChan]

He obviously asks what human we have.

If question was about if i am human, he worded it "State if you are human".

I think the intention was to use a character ability, if I'm wrong about that, I'm still on the side of saying who your character is

like not right now but maybe as Roden said, close to end of the day

[JunkoChan]

though it was kinda a strange way for marashu to phrase it due to saying town as opposed to humans but ehhh feels fairly interchangeable to me

Wanted to say it that way because at the time I didn't know whether or not there's a lie detector (to be fair, I still don't) and wanted to cover for bug/traitor coming up human in case it's an actual lie detector and not just saying you're human. Don't know if it's NK15's actual skill or if it's a bluff, but I lose nothing by going along with that as well.

FakeGod's intro is giving me +traitor vibes.

Niche detail, but in the game Bug can actually get caught by Say You're Human even though roles can still misdiagnose them as Human. Personally, I see it as a psychological slip in-universe, the Bug knows what they are and ultimately doesn't perceive themself to be Human.

Also, I agree about FG, 3p hunting is more of a scum concern than a town one.

VOTE: FakeGod

I can see this too, I'm willing to vote there, Enchant is a vibe vote

[JunkoChan]

NK15, can you confirm that this came from you?

I can confirm that this did not come from me.

Wait, really? I assumed skills had to be stated in-thread.

I guess it's obvious that I didn't cause the vote change either. I'll leave it up to whoever activated it to come forward if they wish. I do think it's +crew to use it now though, since Gnosia would want to use it more strategically I think.

my ability is activated by DMing the mod

[JunkoChan]

While those are fair points, Gnosia could also save it for later to secure a potential quick hammer. And I do think it's helpful that everyone will be forced to show their hand early and vote instead of just claiming FoS on certain slots.

If the user is town, then yes they probably should've waited. But I do think that crew is more likely to use it now, especially after the conversation about tracking FoS/vote intents happened.

exactly, I think is more town intention than scum intention, if a scum used it well... thank you very much for throwing is what I feel

[JunkoChan]

I think NM didn't use ability and just bait reactions.

I still would preffer everyone to answer it, like unless you are scum bug or traitor and you feel like it might caught you there's no reason not to lol, unless you can tell me what's the problem about it

[JunkoChan]

I think NM didn't use ability and just bait reactions.

To which I say, even if it's a bluff, what do you have to lose by going along with it?

While those are fair points, Gnosia could also save it for later to secure a potential quick hammer. And I do think it's helpful that everyone will be forced to show their hand early and vote instead of just claiming FoS on certain slots.

If the user is town, then yes they probably should've waited. But I do think that crew is more likely to use it now, especially after the conversation about tracking FoS/vote intents happened.

exactly, I think is more town intention than scum intention, if a scum used it well... thank you very much for throwing is what I feel

tbh bug and traitor have no reason to hang on to it.

Wdym?

[JunkoChan]

Wait wtf

[JunkoChan]

No wait it makes sense because there's no roleblocker

[JunkoChan]

@mod since "freezing phase" is skipped does this mean that whoever gets voted is going to be flipped?

[JunkoChan]

I'm inclined to believe enchant is the scum here

[JunkoChan]

If we can get Enchant and NK15 to agree to investigate the same person, we might be able to start clearing. If they disagree, that could be telling, too (especially as the night kills add up). At the very least, N1 the GA will know who that is, so it's also risky for maf to NK the invest target.

this is why i want to know if we get a flip today or not, if there's no flip we could do this

[JunkoChan]

WIM

Maybe.



*shrug*

but I still think this might be scum enchant

[JunkoChan]

I think NK15 is more likely to be the real cop, but I wonder if we need to eliminate between the cop claims at all.

Why are people saying roles cannot be confirmed after day 1?

We do have a coroner, after all.

imagine coroner claims and gets counterclaimed

how do we know for sure who was the real one?

unless this is a public coroner variant

[JunkoChan]

Although if mafia wants to trade 2 for 2 i'm okay with that, now that i think about it

[JunkoChan]

Doctor protects coroner, there's no need to protect nk15 or Enchant because if one dies during night we lim the other

If coroner gets cc we trade 2 for 2 and there's only one scum left + the bug

Not revealing if who we lim today was true enginner is too dangerous unless we agree to lim the 2

Alternative, let both live for now, both investigate, there's a chance they find the bug

[JunkoChan]

If NK15 is Follower, Gnosia will not hesitate and shot one of us. Result: Trade of Traitor on Cop regardless who they shot. Maybe i produce one result if they shot NK15. That's it.
One guess in which benefit it will work out. (Tip: Not Town).

If NK15 is simple Gnosia, Gnosia just kill me. Sacrificing common member on Engineer is not bad trade, due my power to reveal More than one Gnosia.

If NK15 is Bug... Then... Hm. I don't get his motivation at all. Suicidal, eh?


Ergo, revealing Coroner is harmful for town. Your thought process (if you have it) are harmful and therefore, you can be evil.

Tbf i think you are town for this post, but trading 2 for 2 aint Bad imho

[JunkoChan]

why would a town player fake a cop claim?

They wouldn't, because the real cop would counterclaim and town would be thrown into a shitshow.

This isn't a role madness game. The setup is open, and there is no 1-shot lightning rod kamikaze.

you know that every single one of has a character ability right?

I don't think they are super op except for a few characters I'm concerned about, people like Roden should know what I'm talking about but we don't know what they are, for example mine has properties that were not in the source material

if this is a TvT claim I'll report whoever is fakeclaiming for gamethrowing because there's no reason for that that we currently know of

that being said, I don't believe it's the case here

[JunkoChan]

but also maybe not known 15 and enchant going to stick to their claims and then we have little choice but to choose between whether today or in future

We'll need to eat that frog eventually but I'm very much against choosing between one of them today. I'd rather that we leash them so we can make the most out of the cop.

I agree with this, also mafia has to deal with the wifom that GA might protect the cops target so they'll have to shot somewhere else

protip for mafia: if you shoot and there's a no kill make your fake enginner propose that as an investigation target, odds are you caught the bug

[JunkoChan]

Scoliosis immediately hard towns in 163

VOTE: JunkoChan

She posts a lot and says a lot of things that look vaguely helpful but I don't think any of them are town things.

huh, excuse me how do you go from 227 to 229?

[JunkoChan]

and how are my things, not town things

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Junko

I don't care much for #231

I mean, you should

[JunkoChan]

Here's a junko post from one of several of their completed town games.

If I were stressed what does that mean for my alignment

I'm glad you asked, god you are so predictable I already had this prepared

as NSG once said:

the basic idea for those unfamiliar is that playing scum or just in general lying is a lot more cognitive stress / a lot more of a cognitive load than playing town is, and one consequence of this is that someone may be less likely to pick up on humor, and thus will respond to a joke completely seriously or misinterpret what someone's saying. (ironically enough, exactly like you do right there)

it is also a trademarked tell of NSG incorporated and every time you use it in a game you must give her credit or else receive a cease and desist from her lawyers

Obviously junko is capable of early game sorting beyond the level of a casual player. The above post was created just a few pages into the game I pulled it from.

funnily enough I was wrong about unwnd that game

that wasn't even my take it was just a funny take I got from Northsidegal in a past game and felt like using it?

I do have a JunkoChan read and it's about VCA's maybe you could take a look deeper in my games and you may find it

tbh, my early reads: not good

I get better as game goes on, because I re-read a lot

yes I have my reads but like I don't feel like posting them yet because like I said meearlyreadsbad

[JunkoChan]

alright

big elephant in the room:

Enchant

v

NK15

I started thinking NK15 claim was better but now I feel enchant is the real cop, and is sincerily annoyed that he had to claim

Scoliosis null has the same vibe on roden that I have but hasnt posted enough for me to read them?
Marashu town I liked their take on whatever nk15 was trying to do with the "state you are human thing" and their read on narrow parking
Roden town this is like a vibe, I don't feel roden has said anything that sticks out to me as scummy and his reaction to the nk15 and enchant felt real
Jessica Rabbit null is this a player in this game?
Elmo TeH AzN scum? says he doesn't know about the game but calls my 55 too good and never elaborates on it?
Klick just joined, idk null?
Ranger null hard to say she hasnt caught up yet, but i disagree with her about nk15/enchant
Yume is this a player in this game? (replaced)
FakeGod town? i agree with most of what they have said, i do agree with roden in 76 that could be scummotivation but it softened after that
Autere null but i don't like their push on roden
shiki null idk
narrow parking scum? i don't like his logic around the cops

[JunkoChan]

Scoliosis immediately hard towns in 163

VOTE: JunkoChan

She posts a lot and says a lot of things that look vaguely helpful but I don't think any of them are town things.

huh, excuse me how do you go from 227 to 229?

Is your implication that because I townread Scoliosis I shouldn't scumread you, because Scoliosis had a townread on you?

Otherwise I'm not sure what your point is here

ah, the post right after says scoliosis town reads me I had 164 as 163, my bad

[JunkoChan]

Or counterclaiming as one.

Either way, I suspect there is a traitor in the cop claims.

if you had to guess, who would be the traitor in nk15-enchant?

[JunkoChan]

Iugh VOTE: Elmo

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

I'm human

[JunkoChan]

aight shiki is town

*leaves without explaining why like Klick does until questioned*

[JunkoChan]

Page 9 I'm that behind I'll read later something about this game does feel really odd though. Especially the ccs

I really hate this post to be honest

"something about this game does feel really odd. Especially the ccs"

this is fees lamist, robotic, performative and what not to me

[JunkoChan]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

[JunkoChan]

Ok. My ability was activated.... and although it isn't strictly one-shot it is de-facto.
What my ability does is to inform Gnosia about their chances to get caught in a lie...
which means that the Gnosia have the information that my ability is real and the rest of the players has not.

What my ability does NOT do is to actually detect lies. That's probably someone else.

Which means it's mainly a TMI trap.

so why you decided to out this now?

[JunkoChan]

so why you decided to out this now?

I realized that there is no more use for it; it has been talked about extensively. People have already made their stance regarding my ability.
But it's also that you somehow trust Enchant, even after this reaction:

Don't do it.

It's bait. He will say "Scoliosis lied!!!!" and push you afterwards.

That's not a town thought progress(yes, I know, I am biased. It's still not.

hear me out for a second, imagine that I'm scum and I receive your message (I didn't)

what makes you think I go for the cop that has an ability that "told me" I could be caught lying or something

it's also pretty convinient or maybe inconvinient for you that your ability can only be verified by mafia

I think I'm sticking with convinient

[JunkoChan]

I thought maybe you caught someone trying to get in your good side or something, also I still see no reason for you to out this, without campaigning for people to answer to your post, how many of us did? like 3-4? this is page 15 on a large game, so saying that there's nothing more to gain from it is an understatement

[JunkoChan]

My main concern is that he should've done a roll call or really just anything to try to get everyone to participate. Right now his ability is mostly ineffective.

this is exactly my point

[JunkoChan]

inb4 WhAt DoEs ScUm!ElMo GaIn FrOm SuCh a TeRriBlE eNtRaNcE?

answer: your gullible townread on them

Its almost like if anyones got an opinion other then yours its wrong.

Christ its annoying. And almost unbearable to play with.

so I can't express my opinion about your incredibly bad entrance?

you'll have to deal with me for this game buddy, so get. used. to. it. Don't worry maybe people start realizing your posts are full of question marks and you won't have to be here for long

[JunkoChan]

State your role, Not Known 15.

Spicy

[JunkoChan]

Which means he's town, groupscum, or bug.

which means, we still on square 1

[JunkoChan]

which means, we still on square 1

Well, we know he's not traitor.

I know but enchant could still be traitor

we haven't reduced the possibilites of the outcome after enchant and nk15 are both dead is what I mean

[JunkoChan]

can still be

scumvtown
bugvtown
traitorvtown

I doubt there's a traitor between the 2 cops anyway, if this was chat mafia I buy it, but what are the odds that "traitor enchant" so happened to be there to counterclaim right away

bugvtown doubt it too because bug should know that they dont live to end game with this like ever and if they don't cool we got they bug trapped

[JunkoChan]

can still be

scumvtown
bugvtown
traitorvtown

I doubt there's a traitor between the 2 cops anyway, if this was chat mafia I buy it, but what are the odds that "traitor enchant" so happened to be there to counterclaim right away

bugvtown doubt it too because bug should know that they dont live to end game with this like ever and if they don't cool we got they bug trapped

hm

i suppose not known 15 could still be traitor and fakegod gnosia yea?

and that wouldn’t be like

like super unsafe for scum!fakegod right?

because doctor (coroner) gets human/gnosia result yeah?

Nah

[JunkoChan]

Not CCed Engineer.

I thought i would never say this, but that's clever Enchant

[JunkoChan]

i

what do you

make of klick

seemingly being unaware that gnosia don’t have daytalk

Where did you read this?

[JunkoChan]

i

what do you

make of klick

seemingly being unaware that gnosia don’t have daytalk

while discussing what elmo would be likely/unlikely to fake as mafia

ie do you think klick would be likely to fake this as mafia

/

cheeky enough to do so while talking about what mafia would be likely to fake?

+Town for klick
+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

[JunkoChan]

Although did Klick say anything about knowing the source material?, thematically speaking gnosia don't have daytalk

[JunkoChan]

Yeah, i think that's just unawareofmech Klick

@Klick do You still tr Elmo for this tho?

[JunkoChan]

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

no talk ongoing game please

[JunkoChan]

+Scum for Elmo, but i already think elmo is scum

You think Im scum in every game we play.

no talk ongoing game please

Point still stands. Even then you haven't liked anything I've had to say and honestly it takes a toll. Either way have a good weekend.

I'll take this as fake annoyance. have a good weekend too

[JunkoChan]

guess i would have liked elmo’s thoughts on 446 due to familiarity with klick but didn’t know would be around

Elmo is too busy being annoyed that someone scum reads them in mafia to actually read the thread, you know, you don't have to scumhunt when you know who mafia is

[JunkoChan]

why should people scumread or case others in mafia, that would be rude

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

A human containing a voice and vote.

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15, narrow parking}
{Elmo teH AzN}
{Marashu, Enchant}

you mean this?

[JunkoChan]

State your human.

A human containing a voice and vote.

{Roden, JunkoChan, shiki}
{Scoliosis, Jessica Rabbit, Klick, Yume, FakeGod, Autere, Not Known 15, narrow parking}
{Elmo teH AzN}
{Marashu, Enchant}

you mean this?

yup standard vt wording

I have my reason to believe it's at best town indicative, at worst NAI

[JunkoChan]

Call me nostradamus but I predict NK15 will retract as well. I'm not very happy about this but I'm biting my tongue for the sanctity of the thread

Nope.

If otherwise, it means FakeGod lied about NK15 telling truth about being Engineer.

I mean yeah I see what FakeGod did but I'm not really believing it 100%. I think what is happening here is that people are overly zealous about whatever super special ability they have and they're being less tactful cause of it

point still stands, Fakegod would be lying

[JunkoChan]

I'm not asking you all to be brain surgeons but I really am fucking perplexed that the front of discussion has been what it is. The start of this game was NK15 claiming engineer in the most hackneyed way by intentionally misspelling his apparent ability, which he then (unprompted) claims Engineer of all fucking things. This causes Enchant to CC, and my initial thought is that 'ok, so Enchant is likely real because he didn't want to out like a sensible person' but ho ho ho I thought it was supposed to be December but you could've fooled me that it was April with how much fucking jokes have been played. Excuse me for being skeptical about FakeGod's ability when we've already seen what's happened prior. So what else is going on? Meandering discussion that amounts to nothing but setup analysis and flavor wank that is

tonally daft and boring

it's like I'm being educated about Gnosia and if I wanted to do that I would've played the fucking game. Please for the love of god can we get some nuance in here. The thread is bone-dry with surface level takes it makes me want to participate with a coma than this shitshow.

looks at the ceiling

then why did you join this game?

[JunkoChan]

Anyways I had in my notes that Klick/Scoli/Enchant/Shiki were town. I'm sheeping Klick's read on Elmo as long he's town so Elmo can be there too

Null on Narrow parking/Ranger/Yume (noposter)

Looking in Roden/Marshu/Jessica Rabbit/Roden

Leave all questions to my P.O Box and I'll get back to it once I stop being annoyed at the state of the game

what's your read on me?

you forgot about me

[JunkoChan]

and roden is multiples I see

[JunkoChan]

Enchant, why did you do that?

Also, 474 is pretty damn ai.

in your eyes, is that human or gnosia

[JunkoChan]

Wait.
Why are people claiming character abilities?

How do you even activate one?

Can somebody answer this?

Currently there's 2 claimed "ways to acitvate abilities"

I'm thread
Via pm

One ability forced the Game to be normal mafia with votes for today instead of having to wait for the final 2 days

You should have a character ability in your peam

Alongside your normal "mafia role"

[JunkoChan]

I'm slowly realizing that this turned out to be a role madness game in disguise, and I think that's something you need to keep in mind here.

Role madness where we got to choose what role we got, and that role is nai because it's tied to the character, not the alignment.

Does Maria has favorites or something? I didn't pick my character or ability or anything

I'm only not going yandere mode on Maria becuase I got best character in the game and I'm happy BUT STILL interested about my question here

[JunkoChan]

Enchant, why did you do that?

Also, 474 is pretty damn ai.

in your eyes, is that human or gnosia

I feel like there is a story left untold here.

I think I'm going with +Gnosia on that one I can buy frustration and boredom if this was like day 3-4 and we are still talking about mech but this is page 22 in a large.. but I don't know enough about Autere to be sure if this is AI or not

[JunkoChan]

Junko what are your reads at now?

I'm fairly confident on my Elmo read fwiw

I'm not doing it right now but I think it's worth looking for people who were thinking that nk15 was real cop tho

[JunkoChan]

I'm fairly confident on my Elmo read fwiw

Is there actual angst between you two which elmo is referring to?

i cant. talk. ongoing. game.

I guess I can say we dont' have completed games together

[JunkoChan]

Enchant, why did you do that?

Also, 474 is pretty damn ai.

in your eyes, is that human or gnosia

I feel like there is a story left untold here.

I think I'm going with +Gnosia on that one I can buy frustration and boredom if this was like day 3-4 and we are still talking about mech but this is page 22 in a large.. but I don't know enough about Autere to be sure if this is AI or not

It isn't the first time it happened, Autere's been complaining since almost the beginning of the game. I think it's genuine but NAI.

well now that you mention it, it does feel like it's building up annoyance about mech talk I still think it's a bit weird to be mad about it, if you don't like flavor games go play normals no?

[JunkoChan]

Is there anybody who I should ISO?

Wait.
Why are people claiming character abilities?

How do you even activate one?

Wait.
Why are people claiming character abilities?

How do you even activate one?

Can somebody answer this?

Why is NK15 above everybody?

Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.

Why?

still don’t get what you think is terrible about my reaction nor what you’re even bugreading me for in the first place since you agree with me

but eh

I think you keep stating this over and over again as a way to actively avoid the issues I clearly explained in 519, which have nothing to do with whether or not you are the bug.

Or, Ranger would make a lot of sense as bug actually, who is townreading scum.

Why?

Watch the team be these two with autere

Which team?

What other points did you make?

I don't know, are you unable to read the game?

#allyourquestions

I can sadly say that this is NAI for freedom

(sorry freedom)

[JunkoChan]

I can sadly say that this is NAI for freedom

(sorry freedom)

I think there's a difference between being nai and having a vague resemblance to how freedom plays as town. I feel like if I look at freedom's completed games I will see they always ask a lot of questions but in their town game there will also be some actual thought behind them. I don't think freedom should be allowed to survive this day phase without a substantial improvement in their play. Looking back through their posts, I can find no reason-not a single reason-to think the slot freedom replaced into is town.

Well.
I haven't read half the game yet.

Okay..
VOTE: freedom

I meant like.. reading slow.. and having a vague understanding about the game before posting.. but you do you, I still think Elmo is the way

[JunkoChan]

answer the question

claim all characters?

yay
nay
shut up

[JunkoChan]

A I reading wrong or the only person who thought nk15 was the real cop was Ranger?

[JunkoChan]

We are in good position. We managed to get an uncontested cop claim through on day 1, and we can proceed to game solve using the Follow-the-Cop strategy.

Executing Enchant would be a low risk, low reward move I think, as he's likely a VT with a off chance of traitor, probably not groupscum, and certainly not Bug.

we should cop enchant somewhere down the line I think, maybe in 2-3 days

[JunkoChan]

gnosia won't know when the GA died, even if they kill them unless we massclaim roles, so the cop is free to check

[JunkoChan]

I mean... there's only 1 correct play for scum team if we massclaim and even then they have to get lucky at least once but eh I only want us to claim characters

[JunkoChan]

I had you as caught scum from point where you tried to prepare CC just in case.

"prepare safe parking space"