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[Roden]

Hi, gonna start reading. Anything I need to know or give an immediate opinion on?

[Roden]

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

I am kind of thinking that StarPower appearing to not know that there is a 3rd party makes them more likely to be town.

Seriously doubt that the actual 3rd party would not be too self-conscious to frame it that way, so imo town>scum>3rd party

But mafia can't collaborate with the 3rd party in this game. Everybody losses. So,

makes sense mafia would be as interested in this 3rd party as the town.

Or not that interested yet as the game just started.

This feels like you misunderstood. My point was that the mafia would be

more

cognizant of the existence of the 3rd party, while StarPower's post reads like someone who was not thinking about the existence of a 3rd party.

Therefore, town being the most likely alignment to make such a post.

Not the basis for a strong read, but as far as page 1 posts go, it is nice to have an inkling on someone

~Luke

I lied,

now

I'm gonna start reading. Liking this read from Luke, it has some depth and it's about what I expect for an early read from him.

[Roden]

Early posts suggest Frog is town due to his ego.

[Roden]

VOTE: kokabiel

Spoiler:

-Marci

Awww how cute~

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior.
I doubt scum would blatantly call their buddies like this so thats one association down.

Why didn’t you ask me?

can you vote kokabiel?

Yuck. Can totes see this as a scum theater.

The scumminess in this post's tone is out of this world lmao. This is how you scum post when you want to appear like you don't care about getting scum read, the confidence is just too misplaced.

VOTE: Kokabiel

[Roden]

scum don't need to pretend to be scumhunting this game

Huh? What do you know that I dont

Ok Johnny is town lol.

[Roden]

The difference is that Marci invited you, whereas Dease invited himself. Marci can invite anyone, so how would that make it SvS?

I do agree with you that it felt weird when deasnails invited himself to your wagon like that, it felt like he was a pick me and just wanted to be on my side lol, but I didn't really pay that much attention at the time since I was more focused on you.

can you vote kokabiel

-marci

This, on the other hand, is NOT cute at all. I fail to see how calling acquaintances to join a... RVS? vote is town behavior

Why do you think it’s scum behavior?

The vote itself isn't bad, it's the fact that she is calling other people to join it. Pushing someone without any reason is dumb and anti-town.
While anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum, it's the best thing i have right now and getting rid of people like this in absence of better alternatives is a great move.
I decided to scumread this instead of seeing it as bad town because i doubt she would make such a blunder as town.

pUsHiNg sOMeOnE wItHoUt aNy rEaSOn iS dUmB aNd aNtI-tOwN
first off, I did have a reason although it wasn't super solid. not sharing ≠ no reason. if you really cared enough you could've asked... instead you jumped to defensive lol
second, who are you? "i doubt she would make such a blunder as town." is a personal statement that implies you know a bit about me and how i play.... but thing is i've literally done this before so what bullshit tree are you trying to plant?
i'm willing to back down, but you aren't really showing me any reason at all as to why you could be town right now. Right now how I view you is kinda survivalistic.. like in the way I think 3p would be. It looks like you're just trying to shut

me

up since it seems like you scumread only me and not luke. The fact that your only real reads are on people who've voted you isn't a good look. I think you overreacted for the amount of votes you

did

get.

S
Marci said she wanted to vote Koka because her iso was "beyond useless"

Marci please enlighten me with the amazing reads you got from pages 1-3. Luke has been doing all the lifting for you so far and i can't say i'm impressed even as a joke.

This reads snarky for...no reason..? I haven't even posted all day while being at work.. It did give me a moment of doubt ngl, but give me something to actually tr you on, anyone can do this as any alignment.
Maybe you should think about giving reads first before asking for them.

Originally I was going to vote for Flavia instead of you actually, but I thought more about it and decided it was more just playstyle differences.
Originally I didn't like froggie (for 11) but after thinking about it and talking to luke I've decided to wait a bit on that before deciding. Though is still not best vibes IMO
Bells alright so far. Penguinpowers prob alright? I like Passenger the most.
^ These don't limit only to the first few pages, though looking at it reminds me of it.

Luke is right, it just seems like you aren't trying to get a better understanding of anything.

-Marci

Nice both heads are townie, I feel good about town locking this slot.

[Roden]

My insanely good scum strategy is to waste all my posts with posts like this^ and then flake from the game.

Oops wrong thread

Lmao, I thought your meta was that you're funny when you're scum.

Must be the power of the Miller role.

[Roden]

Mastina and Frog, please don't fight, I don't want to read your wall posts.

[Roden]

Thank God that Frog is already at 89 posts, just 36 more and he'll be forced to finally let the game breathe.

[Roden]

Off the cuff reads in no particular order:

TOWN
Bell
Bombay
DV
Furtive
Johnny
Frog
Herta

NULL
NYM
Penguin
Flavia

DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THIS GAME
Andres

SCUM
Koka
Passenger

[Roden]

Off the cuff reads in no particular order:

TOWN
Bell
Bombay
DV
Furtive
Johnny
Frog
Herta

NULL
NYM
Penguin
Flavia

DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THIS GAME
Andres

SCUM
Koka
Passenger

How is Bell town

I just agree with Bombay's read on Bell. It's enough for a Day 1 pass at least, though I'll touch back on this more if his activity nose dives Day 2 onward.

[Roden]

Nah not that, the thing about flavor.

[Roden]

Not sure if Luke is being too generous here with me.

I kinda hip shot you town based off of your interaction with Furtive. It was a combo of the tone feeling right, your conclusions on furtive being identical to my own, and you also immediately spot checking the flavor to match it with the claim.

Have not really circled back to looking at you since then.

I can pretend to scum read you though it you want

This. I think the attention to detail is +town, whereas I think scum is more likely to see a Miller claim and just groan and move on.

[Roden]

There needs to be a word for reciprocative town reads.
Roden feels town so far.

Let's call it the ouroboros effect.

[Roden]

VOTE: kokabiel

Kokabiel is an

Advocate

!

it be scum

I'll eat my socks.

like - with any seasoning or sauce, or just plain socks?

It's a Moonlight dancer with an additional on-death trigger, and no it's sadly not a vengeful.
I claimed and gave out my reads so there is no info you can get from me apart from the flip. So y'all useless lazy town without any reads better start working. 4 Days remaining, you can always come back to finish the job.

What's a "moonlight dancer?"

Remember this slip after i flip.

Why did you claim? You only had one vote on you. And currently you only have three, yet you're making threats based off of your potential elimination.

[Roden]

Kokabiel, why did you use your ability? Did you just think might as well? You said you claimed so that there's no info we get after the flip. Are you sticking to this? I don't get the motivation.

I figured i'm going to die today anyway, so i hastened the process of the wagon as to not waste time and gave out all my info.
I hoped at least a few people would start analyzing other stuff, but they instead still come at me while ignoring majority of other stuff.
Am i missing some logic here? I'm going to die anyway so why do people feel the need to affirm that i'm scummy over and over again while not doing anything else; I just don't get it.
From my pow pushing me makes sense for scum to look like they are doing something while actually not contributing; But majority is doing it and they can't all be scum.
Also i said i claimed so there is nothing to gain from me APART from the flip.

How did you activate your ability?

[Roden]

Skim my posts

On it.

[Roden]

Koka, how does your flavor of advocate get to q moonlight dancer?

Like, in my mind an "advocate" is [someone] who is doing things for [someone or something else].

How is that getting to "you can have your own pr name revealed?"

I pm the mod "Represent Residents" and the mod confirms my role in the main thread.
It makes sense since an advocate is "a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy." according to wiki

Who do you want to eliminate today?

[Roden]

Why would Koka be cleared from a red Passenger flip?

[Roden]

Why would Koka be cleared from a red Passenger flip?

The Passenger wagon is composed of 3 town, whereas Bell and PenguinPower are both potential scum on Kokabiel

I figured it was something based on play, not VCA.

What changed with your reads?

Town (most to least): The Bombay, Frogsterking, Passenger, DeasVail, JohnnyFarrar, Herta, Flavia, PenguinPower

Therefore a POE of 5:
Andres - done nothing really
Bell - feels a bit sus like I said earlier
Kokabiel - I don't really like 218, seems to have scum mindset on the brain talking about me 'pocketing' The Bombay and then goes and says 'I really like Passenger because he is always engaging and is thinking about stuff from multiple angles' but yeah hmm
NYM - done nothing, don't like the vote on Flavia which was unexplained. I think Flavia seems quite natural so far.
Star Power - done nothing. I don't really think their opening was scummy but just lack of posting so in the poe.

[Roden]

Ok. Only 30 posts left, better make them count.

[Roden]

Telling you to share oxygen with the rest of the player list instead of hoarding it all for yourself isn't really shade.

I want Koka to go through because I scum read them. Passenger is fine too, I just scum read Koka more.

Considering I've been in the game for less then 24 hours, I think my ISO is pretty good.

Your turn.

PE: You really shouldn't waste your posts just to puff out your chest like that.

[Roden]

You're very smart but a terrible actor.

Thanks, it's the neurodivergency.

[Roden]

I'm not shading you, you're just egotistical and sensitive to criticism.

[Roden]

I have demonstated a very high level of ability to read Roden correctly in Elected Decisions, Lost, and CK9++. This game, Roden replaced into a scum slot who star-flaked out and I will accordingly be emergency-updating my readslist tonight

before

I claim tomorrow in my wallpost.

Roden is very prone to freezing as scum and if you are curious where Roden disappeared to just now while I was questioning him, for your entertainment I have copy+pasted Roden's scum chat here from Elected Decisions when I caught him on page 1:

Frog is annoying, he's legit just lying

Gotta do my best not to give out "caught for the wrong reason" vibes

I know this'll just pass because Frog literally makes no sense and no one's just gonna agree to quick hammering 24 hours into the game for no reason

But wow

If the players on the Kookaburra wagon could pull their heads out of their ass for two seconds and vote Passenger, that would be lovely.

Uh huh.

Anyway, once Koka is done flaking and answers my question, there's something I'd like to do. So please don't rush the vote before then.

[Roden]

I'm still here if you actually have any questions for me, Frog.

[Roden]

I'll be answering on my own time, of course.l

[Roden]

Wow 30 minutes and no response, must be frozen scum

HURT: Froggy

[Roden]

VOTE: Roden

The interactions between Frogs and Roden look exactly like their interactions in Elected Decisions. Passenger coulf be scum buy Roden feels really scummy to me.

Even Mastina has come around to Frogs’ town, so no I don’t seriously believe you genuinely think Frogs is scum here

~Nancy

That's because I don't and literally never said I did.

[Roden]

Guess now's the best time to explain that I actually have another reason to think Koka is scum, it should put some things in perspective. One moment please.

[Roden]

Nancy, what kind of roles do you think

try

to get themselves voted out? Besides Jester, I mean.

[Roden]

Bingo.

[Roden]

First thing everyone should know: my role isn't called Advocate or Moonlight Dancer. My ability is called Advocate, but my role is actually called

Proponent

. Koka has already botched their role claim as far as flavor goes. I'm fairly certain Koka isn't claiming their real role name because it would sound scummy and didn't think anyone else was also an Advocate. Though Koka did say the correct trigger phrase "Represent Residents", as that was mine as well.

Besides that, the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

[Roden]

Koka, how does your flavor of advocate get to q moonlight dancer?

Like, in my mind an "advocate" is [someone] who is doing things for [someone or something else].

How is that getting to "you can have your own pr name revealed?"

I pm the mod "Represent Residents" and the mod confirms my role in the main thread.
It makes sense since an advocate is "a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy." according to wiki

This also reads as having got a scum PM because my role flavor actually explains why I'm an Advocate. It makes more sense to refer to that than looking up a definition on wikipedia.

[Roden]

I guess Flavia is just trying to run out the clock at this point.

I sent it to Frog, for a few reasons. Sending it to my biggest detractor forces him to have to accept he was wrong, if he's town. That part's important, because Koka already stated that when an Advocate reveals themself, that it gives information to the Government.

Besides the player I target, the Government also learns that I'm town. And I asked the mod if the Government is explicitly told that they learn information from Advocate reveals, which the mod answered no and that they're just told that they have received "privileged information". I initially hoped to bait the Government into accidentally revealing themself, but Koka already outed that info, so they "know" not to announce the Friendly Neighbor message. Unfortunately for them, they didn't know I do actually choose a target as well.

So two players should know that I'm town, one of which is confirmed not to be the Government. But Frog didn't claim it, though he never denied it either and instead spammed posts to hit the post cap so that he could have an excuse to stop talking. If Frog is the Government, he would think I was trying to bait him into revealing himself, not realizing that my role didn't work the exact same as Koka's. In that case, no one is claiming to have received info from the mod because my target and the Government are the same player.

As of right now, if he continues to deny receiving info from the mod, then he's either the Government or a game-throwing townie who's refusing to admit he's wrong. If he does claim it now, then I think it's between him and Flavia, who appears to look like frozen scum who's trying to wait out the EoD so that she doesn't have to confirm or deny receiving info.

[Roden]

Also I have a theory that Koka's role also reveals their alignment to the Government. However, I think that there's a good chance they're actually a Traitor, and that their Advocate reveal also tells the main scum team that they're a Traitor. Which is why I asked Nancy what kind of roles could possibly want to get eliminated; if Koka is a Traitor, they might be trying to look scummy in order to sacrifice themself for a scum buddy who got run up AKA Passenger.

[Roden]

I decided only to partially claim my role today:

#1 I'm informed that at least one player has a role which gets misleading results.

I already claimed it earlier before Roden claimed. I assumed it was referring to an investigative, but I was jumping to conclusions, I doublechecked my role PM just now because I was getting suspicious, and below is the exact wording:

MY ROLE IS INFORMED FYI IN CASE ANYONE MISSED ME CLAIM IT:

INFORMED: AT LEAST ONE ROLE PROVIDES A MISLEADING RESULT

I WONDER IF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW RODEN'S ROLE WORKS...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

At least one player has a role who

PROVIDES

a misleasing result. I wonder what kind of mod given information Roden may have

PROVIDED

to someone with his

ROLE

via a

PRIVATE MESSAGE

. I wonder if Roden has a

SCUM PR

with the ability to

MISLEAD

as you now know

THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ROLE IN THIS GAME WHICH PROVIDES MISLEADING RESULTS

Fairly certain that Frog is the Government though because this post literally can't be true.

1) This set up is confirmed to not be bastard. Misleading results are considered bastard, especially mod-confirmed results.

2) Friendly Neighbor isn't a result, it's mod-confirmed info.

3) Frog claims to be using the exact wording of his role. It is explicitly against the rules to use exact wording from your role PM, yet the mod hasn't intervened.

[Roden]

That's all the info I have.

[Roden]

He technically has a reserve, but we can wait to question him tomorrow when the post cap refreshes. Koka or Passenger are still the better elim choices today.

[Roden]

If Koka is a Traitor or even just a Goon, they might be trying to save Passenger. Passenger has also just been scummy in general.

[Roden]

That's a shockingly muted denial.

[Roden]

Nancy did you really just unironically ask why scum would lie about a role interaction that would confirm them as scum

[Roden]

Absolutely baffled that I'm receiving votes right now. Did y'all forget that Koka flubbed their role claim? Did y'all not notice that Frog accused me of trying to dismantle the Passenger wagon before proceeding to dismantle the wagon himself? Or that he's accusing me of trying to sacrifice myself for Passenger when I just accused Koka of doing exactly that??

[Roden]

Don't really know how misleading information is somehow not considered bastard but I can't exactly fight the mod on that.

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

[Roden]

I just want to clarify:

Mod has confirmed my claim isn't bastard and therefore is in compliance with the setup.

As far as we know, there is no reason to believe that Roden has the role which provides misleading results, because Roden lied about the ability to mod confirm himself via private message. We currently don't know what effect the activation of Roden's ability actually had, though I think we can expect it doesn't require Roden to be alive once it's activated, or he wouldn't have locked himself into a 1v1 claim with me.

For all we know, Herta's theory about my role referring to furtive-who claimed miller-is correct. In fact that's currently my top guess for what my role was referring to.

I suppose that’s possible. In Pokemon Battles, I was informed of a gf being in the setup.

~Nancy

Absolutely baffled that I'm receiving votes right now. Did y'all forget that Koka flubbed their role claim? Did y'all not notice that Frog accused me of trying to dismantle the Passenger wagon before proceeding to dismantle the wagon himself? Or that he's accusing me of trying to sacrifice myself for Passenger when I just accused Koka of doing exactly that??

Don't really know how misleading information is somehow not considered bastard but I can't exactly fight the mod on that.

One of you or Frogs obviously has to be lying about the message thing. Koka didn’t claim to send anyone an unconfirmed message.

Nancy did you really just unironically ask why scum would lie about a role interaction that would confirm them as scum

I also really hated this question when you know exactly what I asked, so why even post that?

~Nancy

Koka did claim that though? They literally claimed to send info to both the Government and scum team.

Did you not ask why scum would lie?

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

[Roden]

Frog's accusation that I have a bad role and that I'm trying to save Passenger (who has a good role) doesn't make sense.

Why vote ME and not the player who I'm trying to save?? That isn't a logical town thought process.

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

[Roden]

Why vote ME

I didn't receive a message from Roden. You can be damn sure that one of us is lying. It should be obvious to you that Roden is the one who is lying, but if you have to flip me first to find out that Roden/Passenger/Bell are the group scum, then be my guest and vote me instead of Roden.

Ego.

He's literally admitting his own logic isn't from a town perspective here.

[Roden]

If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

? How does this relate how the players as a group perceive Frog?

...Because the Government believes "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", and if Frog admits he received info then he confirms me as town and potentially confirms himself as the Government. Causing the players as a group to potentially see him as the Government. Which is bad if he's the Government.

[Roden]

Koka, you

did

use a fake claim.

It's a Moonlight dancer with an additional on-death trigger, and no it's sadly not a vengeful.
I claimed and gave out my reads so there is no info you can get from me apart from the flip. So y'all useless lazy town without any reads better start working. 4 Days remaining, you can always come back to finish the job.

First you claim Moonlight Dancer,

My role name is Advocate. It's role is Advocate i'm assuming because an Advocate advocates. And when i pm the mod he confirms that i'm an advocate which is my role name.

Then you claim Advocate. If you're only an Advocate, why did you initially claim Moonlight Dancer?

However you don't even seem to know

why

you're called an Advocate, likening it to a Spokesperson or Lawyer. In my case, I'm an Advocate for the Community itself, meant to bring attention of our plight to the wider world. I reveal my alignment to the Government because flavor-wise I become a political target. However, in your case you only become a political target because you claim to be able to reveal the Government to the Delegation.

Why would the flavor of your role give information to the scum team and not the town?

[Roden]

Roden your plan failed.
If i hadn't revealed first you mightve caught them, but it is what it is.

Doesn't seem like you thought so earlier.

[Roden]

First thing everyone should know: my role isn't called Advocate or Moonlight Dancer. My ability is called Advocate, but my role is actually called

Proponent

. Koka has already botched their role claim as far as flavor goes. I'm fairly certain Koka isn't claiming their real role name because it would sound scummy and didn't think anyone else was also an Advocate. Though Koka did say the correct trigger phrase "Represent Residents", as that was mine as well.

Besides that, the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

I see, so your role is arguably pro-town since you can confirm yourself while mine is arguably pro-delegation since i give info to the scum team.

I mean, you argued my case for me here. Not sure why you're trying to claim otherwise now.

[Roden]

Yeah this is no good. I can't clear myself and i think Passenger is town, so that's 2 miselims.
I suppose it's time to come out with my modifier.
When i get modconfirmed the government receives a notification that the delegation will find out their identity during the next night phase(N2 in this case) unless i get killed.
I didn't say anything so i could watch the votes on me and their reasonings and Catguin looked like he had an eureka moment right after i got Modconfirmed. And AFTER that he asked what the hell a moonlight dancer is.

Also still no real answer given why you waited to reveal yourself here instead of immediately activating it and explaining how it works at the start of the game.

[Roden]

You thought you were done for and wanted to get some info for future use...but your ability apparently only works if you survive. How exactly did you plan to "get some info" if you expected your ability to fail?

Furthermore, if you knew your ability would reveal the Government to the scum team, and knew the Government would receive this information once you revealed yourself, why did you wait to claim this information? Why would you keep that to yourself until you felt like you were going to be voted out?

[Roden]

How does the post cap work with replacements. Does it refresh?

[Roden]

Flavia timed out the prod, they should need a replacement too.

[Roden]

Nothing's really changed for me because I already expected Tweet's slot to deny my mod confirm. The long gap of time between replacing in and actually posting is about what I expected for someone who needs to talk with the mod to confirm mech stuff and read their slot's ISO to make sure they don't accidentally contradict anything the previous player in the slot said.

I'm an Advocate for the Community itself, meant to bring attention of our plight to the wider world. I reveal my alignment to the Government because flavor-wise I become a political target.

Koka, how does your flavor of advocate get to q moonlight dancer?

Like, in my mind an "advocate" is [someone] who is doing things for [someone or something else].

How is that getting to "you can have your own pr name revealed?"

I pm the mod "Represent Residents" and the mod confirms my role in the main thread.
It makes sense since an advocate is "a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy." according to wiki

Another point that I thought about Roden v Koka was that when comparing the two of these, one reads like they got a mod description of their role flavor that they are sharing to the thread, and one looks like they are making up an explanation (even looking things up on a wiki to make sure it makes sense).

Roden could be bending the flavour in their scum lore. But I can follow your reasoning.

I don't follow why Koka needs to make up an explanation when they're both confirmed to be Advocates. They both can read from their PMs here
. t

This doesn't make any sense? How can I be scum bending my flavor when I'm the only one giving flavor? I feel like town's first instinct when seeing that a player can't give flavor should be "maybe they have a scummy flavor text", not "oh, they can't give flavor or even their role name, they must be town and the player giving relevant flavor must be scum".

[Roden]

so

roden claims advocate
koka claims advocate
both of them got mod confirmed as an advocate, but they disagree on role flavor/text/details(?) how is this an issue if they both got mod confirmed to have the advocate role? clearly it is in both of their role PMs, what does it matter if koka was trying to be tricky and fish for the 3p?

but roden also is a friendly neighbor who sent a message to morning tweet, and morning tweet didn't get it?

Am I misunderstanding any of this? Because if I'm not, you just kill roden for being in conflict with 2 slots, right? Assuming the first conflict even makes sense because it doesn't to me, and if the first conflict isn't even real then you can kill in roden/morning tweet, but tweet has 0 votes. ??? what is going on

The 3P has to deny the FN message, which Tweet did. Koka is scum for getting caught lying about their role. I'm in conflict with two other players because they literally got caught.

[Roden]

My logic with sending it to Frog is that if he's town, he can see the mod-confirmed alignment reveal with his own eyes and be able to discern from there whether or not he can trust it. Alignment reveals by their very nature cannot be misleading without being an outright lie, so his Informed mech info wouldn't contradict that. I don't think that sending it to Bombay or any other of my town reads would convince town!Frog of anything, because Frog could still just claim my town reveal is fake or misleading or whatever he wants to claim since he locked in his scum read on me. No matter who I targeted, if they confirmed my alignment reveal then I believed Frog would always just accuse them of either being fooled or just being my scum buddy; we already saw him call Bombay bad for believing/defending me and basically threatened to scum read them if they kept doing so.

Like, is there anyone in this game that Frog

wouldn't

call a fool or a liar if they claimed to have received my alignment reveal? The only one of my town reads that he trusted was Furtive, but I feel like it would still just play out the same way, and besides that I think it would look really weird to send a FN message to a Miller claim.

[Roden]

If I'm a Traitor, and you just revealed that I reach my wincon by keeping you alive so that my scum buddies can learn who the Government is on N2, because my scum buddies need to kill the Government to win, thus making me win...why do I push you here? If I'm scum then I have no reason not to believe that your survival let's me reach my wincon.

[Roden]

@mod what does this mean exactly?

Advocate is a flavoured term for Moonlight Dancer.

A moonlight dancer reveals as a moonlight dancer, so an advocate reveals as an advocate.
Cant believe i didnt see such an obvious thing till now

Advocate is the name of the Attribute, not the name of the role.