Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: Bell

I do not like his new avatar

it is dark and scary and I miss my friend.

[Bear HUGS]

I didn't ego it with my main. no shit I'm not posting.

[Bear HUGS]

ok well I'm obvtown now. look at this silence lol. scum are scared to TR or SR me for what I just said.
The number of people that looked at this thread since I last posted is greater than one. We got active scum here.

cool. anyways {raya, Samantha} has one scum, one town. 75% certain.

[Bear HUGS]

Ok Titus is scum. convince me otherwise.

[Bear HUGS]

Ok Titus is scum. convince me otherwise.

There is a vote feature.

who cares about that. convince me you are town.

[Bear HUGS]

cool. anyways {raya, Samantha} has one scum, one town. 75% certain.

And one of us has a case against the other sooooo

eh I don't care plus I happen to think ur the scum in the set, not sam, anyways.

[Bear HUGS]

Ok Titus is scum. convince me otherwise.

There is a vote feature.

who cares about that. convince me you are town.

Not going to towncase myself. I'm going to hunt scum. Deal with it.

but I want a towncase, momma bear

[Bear HUGS]

Who of the hydra are you btw?

Oh who knows. It definitely couldn't be Noraa.
No ofc not.
It's definitely not her you know.
nuh uh.

[Bear HUGS]

hm believable

I know right. It's not like sarcasm exists >.<
definitely doesn't.
Ahem
This is Pooky here. Hi hello hi

[Bear HUGS]

Funny thing is this could fully be Pooky

uh huh. definitely.

[Bear HUGS]

So "Pooky", why do you think I'm the scum between Sam and me?

u sound fake.

[Bear HUGS]

glad i poked the bear out of hibernation but kind of gated by only seeing scum noraa. i'll probably have more to say on their titus stuff later but not atm

gross.

[Bear HUGS]

And that's it for the catch up.

Jazz hands here.

uh no. I want a refund for this catch up of yours. You didnt even make it to the protagonist(me)

[Bear HUGS]

You haven't done anything yet that drives me to post about you.

uh I'm like half the posts in the game. so you best have something to say about it. otherwise I'm calling you hectic for the rest of the game.

[Bear HUGS]

I don't even know if ur a hectic alt. nor do I care. but I'll do it.

[Bear HUGS]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I know exactly who you are now but like ... dude I love you and stuff but like ... don't use meta if ur in an alt. its annoying.

[Bear HUGS]

well. thats not correct. I have two choices. and you are one of them thats for sure.

[Bear HUGS]

if you are a specific one, you are 100% scum.
if you are the other one, that depends.

[Bear HUGS]

I prefer not knowing alts identities. makes my life easier.

[Bear HUGS]

regardless of which of the two you are, you know I have trouble reading your main.
you revealing who you are to me is super annoying because I end up second guessing my reads on you.
If I SR, I wonder if its bc I always SR you
but then I wonder if scum you would reveal to me your identity in case I SR you harder
too many possibilities. throws me for a loop.
next time you play with me on an alt, don't meta me please. thanks.

[Bear HUGS]

I'm not revealing who I am to you, so I don't know what you're on about, frankly.

yeah you are. I know basically exactly who you are. do we really need to out your alt on page 5 to show how obvious your identity is to me?
I don't want to but I think ur really obvious.

[Bear HUGS]

Someone say they feel I am town or scum so we can start to break RVS.

Either that or comment on Romance wagon which is a gun to my head wagon on scum.

What's the logic behind this one, Titus?

I want to get reads and reactions going to break from RVS.

Momma bear why is Romance scum?

[Bear HUGS]

It's generally bad manners to out someone's alt, so.

I wasn't planning on outing you unless you decided to continue saying you weren't obvious

[Bear HUGS]

Bear, it's expected your hydra will have many posts. That's not an in depth secret, nor is Romance claiming your volume suggests something about your alignment.

I find it odd you're objecting to Romance but you're quiet on Willow.

VOTE: Bear hydra

I actually think willow is scum. it just wasn't a great time to point that out cuz willow just SRed me. I naturally have a lot of SRs in games so I tend to keep away from OMGUSing unless I'm really strong on it.
Which I actually am a decent amount strong on willow.
But.
I already put a couple SRs down on the table. Putting too many will end up bad for me and the game.

[Bear HUGS]

Where did I say that? Why is this the fight you're picking instead of trying to post about AI things?

It's a waste of both of our time.

I just dislike alts that use meta. it annoys me
*shrug*

[Bear HUGS]

mostly its because I think they have an "advantage" over me
Like it feels like I'm in the dark cuz they know me but I don't know them
which if u don't make it terribly obvious ur an alt, I'm not gonna go background check you so I won't pay too much attention
but when u rub it in that ur an alt, its annoying to me
but with you, it's different. cuz I know who you are
and that still annoys me lol
I feel like the only alts that are acceptable are stealth alts and open alts.
the ones that are in between piss me off for no literal reason.

[Bear HUGS]

well so
originally I thought that Sam and Raya had 1 scum, 1 town
reason:
both are scummy in their own way and their interactions are weird. That normally means there's very likely 1 scum in there.
Two scum is generally like super nice theatre and shit. At least on like page 2 there's no pressure so it shouldn't look awkward af.


But now, I actually think both are town but for really weak reasons so imma just leave that there for now while I figure that out later when there's more content.

[Bear HUGS]

By "interactions are weird", its hard to explain but its basically just a vibe thing.
It's generally correct like 3 out of 5 times so its worth thinking about.

The problem is that I have issues with both sam and raya in the first place.
Both strike me as extremely fake in games even when town. Im not sure why to be honest. But something about their tone just gives me alarm bells all over the place. So I'm really not sure if my problem with their interactions is just the vibes they naturally give off or if it is AI in this situation.

[Bear HUGS]

Titus' first post towards me I heavily. HEAVILY. disliked.
But her recent posting has been fairly town indicative. Im nervous to TR her for it but I'm willing to let it sit in TL for now.

[Bear HUGS]

Romance.
Hm.
hard to say tbh.
pretty hard to say.

feels like bored town. but I've seen many scum give off that vibe.

heck they care but the more it *seems* like they don't, the more towny they seem to your average townie.

I'm not sure what alignment romance is.

My strongest SR is Willow actually. This isn't OMGUS. I thought willow was towny before my first post in the game.
My hydras very first post wasn't mine btw.
Only like the rest of the posts are mine.

[Bear HUGS]

*scummy

[Bear HUGS]

Why is willow scum, Pooky?
Good question, Noraa
Willow is scum because of the shitty SR on us.

kind of OMGUS if you think about it that way. But attacking Noraa's activity when she is busy af is kinda rude. She just came back from a vla two days ago or something and y'all like "eh she not posting enough"

dumbass, I can post 1600 posts in a scum game. Do you think being silent is scum indicative?
No, fuck off.

[Bear HUGS]

And now I am not checking this game for the next week. If anyone has shit to say about my activity, automatic SR.

Activity is never AI for me.
I can be silent af as town
I can be silent af as scum
I can be loud af as town
I can be loud af as scum

[Bear HUGS]

I just woke up and Noraa has bombarded me with a 20,000 word phd thesis on why like 11 people MUST BE SCUM.

Can ya'all take it easy on the acting scummy thing so I survive this game please?

Thank you in advance <3

[Bear HUGS]

I haven’t read much but Noraa has already obvtowned us. \o/.

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: bear hugs

Do you usually make naked votes?

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: romance
It can only end in divorce or death.

Don’t know who either of these are but I appreciate humour.

[Bear HUGS]

aight this game is way too slow for me let's policy some lurksack

vote: bear hydra

Ew

[Bear HUGS]

wait they have a post

i'm leaving it anyway idgaf

Even worse. Why justify bad reasoning on top of more bad reasoning?

[Bear HUGS]

Hello Enchant. Care to weigh in on the death of romance?

#RomanceIsDead

[Bear HUGS]

i don't the hydra lurking is.

It probably is NAI 2 pages in.

Hmmm. @Pooky why aren’t we voting Willow?

[Bear HUGS]

do you think i'm scum shoving a lurker? food for thought

Thought did DEFINITELY cross my mind.

[Bear HUGS]

do you think i'm scum shoving a lurker? food for thought

I'm unsure on your motive yet.
But I don't think you believe in your push. Even more so where you expect people to Blindley follow you.

Either town trying to actually get out of RVS or scum trying to look active without doing anything.

If I thought you were scum I'd have voted you by now.

Not sure if Willow is scum but I’m liking VFP so far.

[Bear HUGS]

titus post is something i'd do as scum but titus ain't me. i don't wanna vote there. i don't really want to vote sam or raya either.

i'm actually pretty happy w/ where my vote is atm. classic dilemma of "want to get real discussion by voting someone active but don't want to vote anyone active"

this is a hydra i expected to start strong and instead has 1 post

because i don't give a shit about RVS or arbitrary breakouts or VCA lmao

immediately told you why my vote was where it is, why it wasn't on you, and don't care if it's the weekend.

one head being absent rn is understandable, all three isn't a crime but i am very happy where i am.

"if scum would do it, it's as good a reason as any in RVS" is just disgustingly bad and false

the whole point of breaking out of RVS is to make marginal improvements in reasoning towards something you think is AI. i think your post was nai.

i don't the hydra lurking is.

I’ve had an extremely rough day yesterday, so I’ll just say irrespective of your alignment, this is 100% bs reasoning, do better.

[Bear HUGS]

Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread

Is that a scumtell for her? If she makes scummy posts like in Nancy v. Titus, I’ll catcher right away, probably.

[Bear HUGS]

Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread

this is a good take

You’re agreeing with Raya’s read on you then?

[Bear HUGS]

Ok Titus is scum. convince me otherwise.

Only one who has pinged me so far is Willow, because they’re kind’ve lamisty but eh?

[Bear HUGS]

So "Pooky", why do you think I'm the scum between Sam and me?

That was Noraa obviously.

[Bear HUGS]

wait they have a post

i'm leaving it anyway idgaf

+Town.

Attitude in general is town already, but I like how they pointed out their own fault and went with it regardless. Feel like they'd be more self-conscious about this sort of thing were they scum.

I like this take, let's keep romance

Don’t know if I agree with her takes but her posts seem to reflect a townie mindset.

[Bear HUGS]

You haven't done anything yet that drives me to post about you.

uh I'm like half the posts in the game. so you best have something to say about it. otherwise I'm calling you hectic for the rest of the game.

@Noraa, Hectic is 1/2 of Bamboozled.

[Bear HUGS]

Bear, it's expected your hydra will have many posts. That's not an in depth secret, nor is Romance claiming your volume suggests something about your alignment.

I find it odd you're objecting to Romance but you're quiet on Willow.

VOTE: Bear hydra

Weird vote, why are you even sr that? Romance is currently my strongest tr. Willow is bad but don’t know yet if bad town or scum.

[Bear HUGS]

Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread

this is a good take

Are you saying

Raya's

towny for this?

-Bam

Yeah agree, that post from Raya is kind’ve pointless.

[Bear HUGS]

Titus' first post towards me I heavily. HEAVILY. disliked.
But her recent posting has been fairly town indicative. Im nervous to TR her for it but I'm willing to let it sit in TL for now.

When she does a VCA that makes sense, I can probably townlock her because as you might recall her VCA in DC clearly didn’t.

[Bear HUGS]

I think you're town cause of your votes

I think enchant is genuinely likely to be mafia because of unwnd's choice

I didn't even consider them picking their own name, I was thinking if I was mafia I would say dunnstral as my answer to avoid it

but yeah the bell votes are creepy

Why's mafia more likely to choose themselves to a harmless RVS "name a name" question though? I'd get it if there'd been some content and the decision was actually based on AI stuff, but it was an entirely arbitrary decision. Not sure how you can get genuinely likely to be mafia from such an inconsequential decision.

samantha and Enchant are on my

Radar

.

-Bam

I’m trying to recall even a single Enchant post.

[Bear HUGS]

willow
Romance
Raya
Titus

-----NULL LINE-----

VFP
samantha
Enchant

-Bam

Why are Willow and Raya town? I’m still nullreading both.

[Bear HUGS]

Bear, it's expected your hydra will have many posts. That's not an in depth secret, nor is Romance claiming your volume suggests something about your alignment.

I find it odd you're objecting to Romance but you're quiet on Willow.

VOTE: Bear hydra

I actually think willow is scum. it just wasn't a great time to point that out cuz willow just SRed me. I naturally have a lot of SRs in games so I tend to keep away from OMGUSing unless I'm really strong on it.
Which I actually am a decent amount strong on willow.
But.
I already put a couple SRs down on the table. Putting too many will end up bad for me and the game.

my impression from the scum PT of draft mafia was that you really struggle to get in the game as scum. you were very eager to jump into fights with overly strong stances. this game you started out similarly w/ titus. the issue is that this is a good instrument to read people based off their reaction, meaning it was time to sit back and wait.

this is a good post and a clear divergence from draft mafia imo, in that you're being a lot more measured w/ how to push and be effective rather than pointing the gun and baiting a fight with anyone who dares push you

tonally from me this game strikes the same note as draft mafia, and my fight with vfp is similar to my fight with lunar from that game. these are nai.

Okay, you maybe town despite your dreadful early posts.

[Bear HUGS]

willow
Romance
Raya
Titus

-----NULL LINE-----

VFP
samantha
Enchant

-Bam

i really want to know more about rom/titus. i'm not townreading rom and their analysis of vfp 78 was bad imo

If Romance is who I think they are, then they’re > rand chance of being town.

[Bear HUGS]

Romance's tone feels natural to me, especially in her interactions with the bear hugs (bugs). Like she didn't care about the bugs's pressure and let it uncompose her and still argued in good faith.

-Bam

Pro tip: never call us that again or Noraa will [in game] end you.

[Bear HUGS]

Bam, why are you randomly bolding words?

I'm on the

Ground

and in a lot of pain, so I'm not sure why that's your biggest concern

Right

now?

-Bam

Titus makes a good point. Wtf is the reasoning for all of this random bolding?

[Bear HUGS]

(Also, if you're town you'll see I'm town soon enough, tbh.)

Okay, this is very probably town.

[Bear HUGS]

It's generally bad manners to out someone's alt, so.

This entire back and fourth about an alt is just weird.
Doesn't look good for the bears imo who seem to be alt fishing.

Don’t look good in what way exactly? I don’t agree with alt fishing but you shading us for that is kind’ve gross dude.

[Bear HUGS]

Alright, so far I’m liking Romance and possibly Titus, Willow. Bam also seems fine.

[Bear HUGS]

the no flavorclaim rule makes me wonder if flavor just confirms people as town, or if there's some kind of hunting situation like dark/light fairy from the last boon game

Strange question. This game based on anime, so obviously, if everyone flavorclaim, this will break game, because... Well. You know why.

It's like claiming Yoda in Starwars.

Any reads so far?

[Bear HUGS]

UNVOTE:

for now, I don’t want to keep Pooky’s rvs vote on bell.

[Bear HUGS]

I think you're town cause of your votes

I think enchant is genuinely likely to be mafia because of unwnd's choice

I didn't even consider them picking their own name, I was thinking if I was mafia I would say dunnstral as my answer to avoid it

but yeah the bell votes are creepy

Why? They’re just rvs.

[Bear HUGS]

Don’t look good in what way exactly? I don’t agree with alt fishing but you shading us for that is kind’ve gross dude.

Originally I thought it was just alt fishing to look busy while doing noting of worth.
Or maybe worse, a kind of intimidation tactic but the explanation summed it up for me and I changed my mind.
I'm not sure this would fall under 'gross dude', but go for it.

Well I liked Romance’s take on that a lot better.

So who do you think is scum? I thnk Dunn/unwnd interactions were strange. What do you think @Bamboozled?

[Bear HUGS]

the no flavorclaim rule makes me wonder if flavor just confirms people as town, or if there's some kind of hunting situation like dark/light fairy from the last boon game

Strange question. This game based on anime, so obviously, if everyone flavorclaim, this will break game, because... Well. You know why.

It's like claiming Yoda in Starwars.

This post bothers me because we were specifically asked to confirm not only our alignment but rule 14, so you’d have to know how seriously the mods are taking flavour claiming in this game.

[Bear HUGS]

the no flavorclaim rule makes me wonder if flavor just confirms people as town, or if there's some kind of hunting situation like dark/light fairy from the last boon game

Strange question. This game based on anime, so obviously, if everyone flavorclaim, this will break game, because... Well. You know why.

It's like claiming Yoda in Starwars.

This post bothers me because we were specifically asked to confirm not only our alignment but rule 14, so you’d have to know how seriously the mods are taking flavour claiming in this game.

Most importantly, no flavor claiming

[Bear HUGS]

. I don't like the random assumptions at this point made by bugs. Enchant is starting off as town for me. Comes into the game, starts reading, answering questions. VFP is hard town for reasons I don't want to share right now. Wheme doesn't appear to be making an effort but that fits with his meta from town or scum so not sure. I initially tred samantha for coming into the game and doing stuff but I'm not so sure. Romance's tone almost feels faked, in a sense. Titus is town. Mostly a gut toneread on this one and would be open to bugs attempting to convonce us. Raya is town for a similar reason to Titus. willow is twn for the idgaf post Bamboozle is guttowny for basically just riding with it at the start.

I think I'm leavin my RVS vote as is.

Do NOT call us that or I won’t be responsible for Noraa tearing you a new one dude, you’ve been warned.

[Bear HUGS]

. I don't like the random assumptions at this point made by bugs. Enchant is starting off as town for me. Comes into the game, starts reading, answering questions. VFP is hard town for reasons I don't want to share right now. Wheme doesn't appear to be making an effort but that fits with his meta from town or scum so not sure. I initially tred samantha for coming into the game and doing stuff but I'm not so sure. Romance's tone almost feels faked, in a sense. Titus is town. Mostly a gut toneread on this one and would be open to bugs attempting to convonce us. Raya is town for a similar reason to Titus. willow is twn for the idgaf post Bamboozle is guttowny for basically just riding with it at the start.

I think I'm leavin my RVS vote as is.

Do NOT call us that or I won’t be responsible for Noraa tearing you a new one dude, you’ve been warned.

What have they done that townpings you? They might be a null but well you might possibly lack the advantage of meta especially when it concerns Romance.

[Bear HUGS]

. I don't like the random assumptions at this point made by bugs. Enchant is starting off as town for me. Comes into the game, starts reading, answering questions. VFP is hard town for reasons I don't want to share right now. Wheme doesn't appear to be making an effort but that fits with his meta from town or scum so not sure. I initially tred samantha for coming into the game and doing stuff but I'm not so sure. Romance's tone almost feels faked, in a sense. Titus is town. Mostly a gut toneread on this one and would be open to bugs attempting to convonce us. Raya is town for a similar reason to Titus. willow is twn for the idgaf post Bamboozle is guttowny for basically just riding with it at the start.

I think I'm leavin my RVS vote as is.

Do NOT call us that or I won’t be responsible for Noraa tearing you a new one dude, you’ve been warned.

What have they done that townpings you? They might be a null but well you might possibly lack the advantage of meta especially when it concerns Romance.

Who?

I’m not outing anyone’s alt.

[Bear HUGS]

Bam, why are you randomly bolding words?

I'm on the

Ground

and in a lot of pain, so I'm not sure why that's your biggest concern

Right

now?

-Bam

Titus makes a good point. Wtf is the reasoning for all of this random bolding?

ya when has Bam ever done a gimmick and just messed around? Bam? He would NEVER do that. Very serious player right?

So, her question is then meritless? But hey, if it’s just a gimmick than fine but I don’t see the point of all of that random bolding?

[Bear HUGS]

Its Bam. Bam wants to have fun. Are you saying Bam isn't allowed to have fun? You better not be I am overprotective of my precious Bam!

Yeah you know me, the anti-fun police.

[Bear HUGS]

200 per head = 600 posts total

we got this figured out easy

[Bear HUGS]

Hey! Put on a happy face then everything's okay!

What would you give for ultimate power? Money? Love?

Your Humanity?

PLAYERLIST

1. willow1
   
2. Flea The Magician
   
3. Bamboozle (Alisae + Hectic)
   
4. Enchant
   
5. WhemeStar
   
6. Dunnstral
   
7. PenguinPower*
   
   
8. jjh927
   
9. Bear HUGS (Nancy Drew 39, Pooky and Noraa)
   
10. Raya36
    
11. Bell
    
12. Romance
    
13. T3
    
14. Titus
    
15. Hubble Bubble*
    
    
16. YFP
    
17. Retti
    
18. samantha97

@mod, can you please prod HB and PP?

I have dyslexia and probably would not have signed up for this had I realized the post cap. I’d probably rather get root canal than “Ircherize” my posts. Not that I won’t try but I don’t sign up for geriatric games for good reasons. Apparently, we only have 125 - 124 posts left until the end of this game day. I checked, so we will be posting very little for the remainder of the day and won’t be hyperposting until Elo - assuming we’re still alive.

That said, I’m liking Raya better and have a slight tr on Flea. We have played before but I was playing under an alt. If you guess correctly, please don’t reveal it. I will be happy to pm it to you post-game if you haven’t figured it out. <3

I honestly don’t understand Bam’s gimmick thing. I had a slight tr on them but I suppose it’s useful to ask if scum has daytalk or not because if they do, the only possible scum motivation would be if scum had a traitor or something.

@mod, does scum have daytalk?

However, Hectic’s posting in general reads > town to me.

I have a much clearer idea of who I don’t want to vote today, than who I do.

I don’t want to vote [in no particular order]: Romance, Titus, Flea, Bam, T3, Raya, Willow. I don’t like Sam’s Dunn push but I’m not getting pinged by her like I was in Nancy v. Titus.

@Dunn, why should I tr you here? All of your posting so far screams just null.

So that’s where I’m at rn.

@Willow, why did you fixate on us but have made virtually no comment on Hubble Bubble or Penguin - both of whom are probably in prod range by now?

@Raya, I’m assuming Noraa was basing that off of you/Sam interactions.

@Wheme, why are you so confident on Enchant!scum?

I have no clue what Dunn is but it looks like his wagon is getting pushed hard. He’s still a complete null for me.

@VFP, why do so many of your posts read kind’ve hedgey? Like you seem to not really want to take a stand on anything?

Maybe I should vote you then? Change my mind.

Also, are we even reading the same game? In what world is this game “too slow”?

VOTE: VFP

Gun to head, despite Sam’s posting reading arguably scummy, I’m thinking she might actually be town here.

[Bear HUGS]

Bell is almost certainly scum at this point lol

[Bear HUGS]

i can see the flopping/playing the pedantic victim of injustice being stylistic, might meta them later. sam/bell good alternate votes imo, in that order.

still keeping this for now


i can see the flopping/playing the pedantic victim of injustice being stylistic, might meta them later. sam/bell good alternate votes imo, in that order.still keeping this for now

yea it's stylistically how Bell plays when he's scum.

town!bell doesn't look like this at all lol

[Bear HUGS]

uh just a quick glance thru Town!Bell / Scum!Bell meta:

Spoiler: Town Bell

WH-13
Xenoblade 2
TeneT
TLich Grand Idea
Guns & Roses V
Death Curse

Spoiler: Scum Bell

Among Us
Epilogue
Smoke Filled Antechamber
Pooky vs Flavor Leaf

It's like kind of glaringly obvious which Bell we are dealing with here.

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: Bell

[Bear HUGS]

I don't even see what was so bad with bell's stuff anyway. They just seemed inactive is all

did you take a look at the bell games I linked?

there is a clear difference between Bell!Town and Bell!Scum.

Bell!Town has no trouble getting into the flow of the game and putting out content/pushing the action.

Bell!Scum has great difficulty getting into the game, he struggles playing the red!alignment.

Regardless of RL - the fact that he couldn't get into his town!persona at all heavily hints that his alignment this game is scum.

His replace-out post is practically a scum claim, just randomly tossing out townreads/random thoughts at people.


I don't doubt that he had RL problems that caused him to hit the replace-out button - but think about

why

he finds it difficult to get into the game/putting down meaningful reads.

Town!Bell participates very easily - the game just flows. Scum!Bell absolutely struggles to replicate that Town!Bell mentality - he finds the game much harder and that is why he's struggling to get into the game.

[Bear HUGS]

VC 1.5

Bell (5): Esooa, Bamboozle, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS
samantha97 (3): Raya36, VFP, Romance
Dunnstral (2): Titus, T3
Bamboozle(2): Flea The Magician, WhemeStar
Enchant (1): Dunnstral
FP (1): willow1
Raya36 (1): jjh927
Romance (1): Bell
PenguinPower (1): samantha97

Not Voting (1): Retti

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

I flat out disagree with Bell's case.

*Bear's bell case

I was skeptical on it too until I clicked on those links Pooky posted. Fact is we have two people in this game known for having > average reads: one that I obviously know is town (Pooky) and the other one (I strongly tr now) who literally nailed the entire scum team in a past game (Hectic), both mindmelding with me and Noraa on Bell!scum. Raya may or may not be scum but I’d be really shocked if Bell flips town here. So we’re not moving our vote.

I just woke up and Noraa has bombarded me with a 20,000 word phd thesis on why like 11 people MUST BE SCUM.

Can ya'all take it easy on the acting scummy thing so I survive this game please?

Thank you in advance <3

Oh and @Romance, fyi, 207 literally never happens if we’re scum and I’m kind’ve surprised you can’t tell this is 100% my towngame.

Btw @Penguin, any reads so far?

P.edit. NM, he’s sr Bell. Townpoints for that.

I’m not opposed to Raya since I’ve been iffy on her and Noraa, Hectic and jjh all have suspicions about her but Pooky says he’s very confident this is Bell!scum we’re seeing here and therefore, my most confident sr, so we’re sticking with that.

Bell flipping scum > than Raya although it’s possible they both could be but if I’m wrong, it’s more likely to be on Raya than Bell.

I also want to point out that the reaction to the Dunn wagon doesn’t have the same basis as the Bell wagon as Dunn is currently for me a straight up null read but Bell is > chance than rand playing up to his scum meta. Bell wasn’t even slightly annoyed at the srs on him, he didn’t react like that at all in Death Curse.

I don't even see what was so bad with bell's stuff anyway. They just seemed inactive is all

did you take a look at the bell games I linked?

there is a clear difference between Bell!Town and Bell!Scum.

Bell!Town has no trouble getting into the flow of the game and putting out content/pushing the action.

Bell!Scum has great difficulty getting into the game, he struggles playing the red!alignment.

Regardless of RL - the fact that he couldn't get into his town!persona at all heavily hints that his alignment this game is scum.

His replace-out post is practically a scum claim, just randomly tossing out townreads/random thoughts at people.


I don't doubt that he had RL problems that caused him to hit the replace-out button - but think about

why

he finds it difficult to get into the game/putting down meaningful reads.

Town!Bell participates very easily - the game just flows. Scum!Bell absolutely struggles to replicate that Town!Bell mentality - he finds the game much harder and that is why he's struggling to get into the game.

For anyone not seeing our case:

Bell is almost certainly scum at this point lol

i can see the flopping/playing the pedantic victim of injustice being stylistic, might meta them later. sam/bell good alternate votes imo, in that order.

still keeping this for now


i can see the flopping/playing the pedantic victim of injustice being stylistic, might meta them later. sam/bell good alternate votes imo, in that order.still keeping this for now

yea it's stylistically how Bell plays when he's scum.

town!bell doesn't look like this at all lol

uh just a quick glance thru Town!Bell / Scum!Bell meta:

Spoiler: Town Bell

WH-13
Xenoblade 2
TeneT
TLich Grand Idea
Guns & Roses V
Death Curse

Spoiler: Scum Bell

Among Us
Epilogue
Smoke Filled Antechamber
Pooky vs Flavor Leaf

It's like kind of glaringly obvious which Bell we are dealing with here.

All of the last posts are Pooky’s and he caught scum in like 5 games I’ve played with him.

[Bear HUGS]

Spoiler:

Why was I borne in a capitalist society.

I could have been anything I could have been the texture of cheese, of cabbages, the agitation in your eye, the crick in your back.
I could have been something that had no arms and no legs and no mind.
I could have. Why must I do things?
Why?

It's from disco elysium, it's imagination and it's awesome.

It's good to see you too. <3.

VOTE: Romance
You know why.

I go to sleep and wake up to like 5 posts in an 18 player game what is this

This is a remarkably good point. The explanation is the player list and that I'm drowning in work.

Also, why did Unwnd replace out. /:

I'm not sure how I feel about Romance's nonchalance.

@Bamboozle, have you misread Noraa lately?

Sam seems fine so far.

Sam -> Likes to set up solve. -> Tried to talk about flavor almost immediately.
-> Complained about the pace
-> When content shows up, she's there to talk about it.

I don't know Sam that well, but what's there seems fine.

Oh, because you seem sort of genuine, but also you sound like you're posturing. So I'm super confused.
I guess maybe you're trying not to sound like yourself? I'm inclined to alt guess.

I don't really think 196 is a non-content pop in. If you want my opinion on non-content, I very much enjoy people's shit posts, sometimes even more than their content.

Will post tonight, work. Sorry.

Hi, I thought I could do this, but I simply can’t.
I barely have any free time right now and it simply wouldn’t be fair for those more involved in the game.

I think willow seems the townier of the two on tvp but don’t hold me to that.

When romance said I’ll reveal I’m town at some point I stopped scum reading them but that’s a vibe read.

Booze I don’t have a read on.

The bears are being a lot as usual.

Also, too many alts. Cowards.
Dunn is not playing differently from every other game I’ve played with him and I’ve never Ed played with scum him.
But this means little, he’s kind of unreadable.

I don’t feel much from jjh.

Opinion of Sam’s the same. They’re playing slightly differently but I don’t feel that they’re being posturey
Retti looked super authoritarian on first look so I started scum reading him, but chilled out on second read of their opening.

If I haven’t mentioned you, you didn’t make an impression or I didn’t read your posts.

Anyway, good luck all. Sorry for replacing out.

@mod replace me. Apologies.

Of all of these posts, #617 is probably the only one where he appears to be even trying and much of it reads like busywork.

Notice in both #208 and #617, Bell fails to give us read despite mentioning us? He asks Hectic if he’s “misread Noraa lately” as opposed to actually offering a read on us himself and in #617: all he says is “we’re a lot”. Why even mention us at all if not to give a read. And every single one of these reads is off the charts hedgey and differently hedgey than VFP because his kind of hedginess could also come from town but Bell’s reads are scum indicative because every single one of them is totally superficial.

Dunn is unreadable.

He doesn’t “feel much” from jjh.

Don’t even understand exactly wtf he’s even saying about Sam.

And we’re “a lot”? Very astute read on a triple hydra


Not.

Just click on those links. These are not town!Bell reads. Town!Bell posts actual CONTENT. Nothing he’s said comes even close to a real read. The replace out part is likely because he probably wants to avoid what happened in Pooky v. FL. Bell hates playing scum. In our scum PT in that game, he practically begged FL to let him out of his misery.

[Bear HUGS]

@nancy/any other bear

you linked 4 bell mafia games but not this one: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84898

would you say that game is similar to the others? particularly the day phase starting at page 84

Subject: BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

3 scum rolls in a row was rough.
I'm okay with PT opening btw, sorry for not mentioning it earlier.

GG guys.

Definitely in terms of excuses but he efforted a lot more in that game.

It’s lowkey bothering me how many people are ignoring this. Raya may be scum but I’d bet the game Bell is.

If Raya gets yeeted and flips town, I will be pissed.

[Bear HUGS]

I agree with what you're saying about Bell but shoveling dirt on him while the slot is being replaced isn't going to change anything. People are too scared to wagon an afk. Don't worry about it, we can come back to it when it's filled.

Subject: PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf - Scum PT

Yeah this is going to be a close one.
I'm not good enough to break that lock read.
Pooky is scum reading me too.

It’s because I’m not sure on Raya but I will eat LLD’s hat if Bell flips town so yeah, I’m super confident Bell’s flipping scum here. Raya is definitely not obvtown but I’ve seen her not be as town, so greater chance she’s town> Bell. I’ll shut up now.

[Bear HUGS]

Alrighty. It has been a couple days. Figured I'd post again today.
Although I haven't been posting, I was keeping up with the game until like ~2 days ago where I just gave up keeping up because school and stuff.
I'm fairly caught up but anyways.
First things first.

Dont meta me off activity. Thats ridiculous. I've had multiple town games where I never got into the game and I've got scum games where I've gotten into the game.
Although it is true that overall, I do not get into the game as much as scum, that does not mean that I never get into the game as scum or that I always get into the game as town.

So watch your words because there is no easy was to read someone simply off activity. There are way too many factors and reading someone off activity is total bullshit.

Second off, I don't agree with pooky's bell read personally.
However, Pooky is always right when it comes to soul reads similar to this. I'm not sure why but I will believe bell is scum anyday if pooky has a soul read. I don't care if the bell slot dies today or tomorrow or whatever because eventually town will come around to bell scum because bell is almost certainly scum if pooky is soul reading him as scum.

Aside from that, Samantha feels particularly aggressive/like ................ idk dodgy? it doesn't feel like their town game but I'm not really sure if that's a good read.
I'm kind of just back to raya/sam has scum. Idunno. its kinda difficult.

I kinda think hectic and flea are both scum but I don't even know if I believe it myself since I always SR them. Fae giving me scum points is always just something that pings me the wrong way because ... idk its just weird? Hectic always comes off as a scumbutt to me and I've realized that so like sort him urself and inform me of the result yeah thanks.

I don't like the replacement. sorry forgot ur name but the one that has a prfpc that looks like cabd's yeah that one. reminds me a lot of who I think romance is and this is like typical maybe town play for her. But I still think they're scum. *shrug*
my hydra doesn't agree but I don't like them so that's that.

I have like lots of other stuff but I can't think of it all rn so I'll say them as I remember them. Shoulda taken notes or something while watching the thread but I didn't feel like it.

[Bear HUGS]

Let me remind everyone of death curse. A game where I got 7 entire mislims on town as solo scum.
I am capable of a strong scum game.
Although I have not been strong in the past couple scum games, I am capable of a strong scum game and I hope y'all get ur asses whooped next time I play with you and roll scum for looking down on my scum game.

[Bear HUGS]

I do find enchant suuuuper underwhelming here so there's that.
My hydra I think agreed with me at first but then didn't later on? idk.

Retti, I personally don't find scummy but they seem like someone capable of being a deep wolf. My theory was that if they were scum, the pushers are scum. Haven't been paying tooooo much attention there but there was more than one pusher so I had to rethink that theory a couple times. Dunno if its worth a shot but there's that.

[Bear HUGS]

My gut scum read on willow from day 1 is disappearing and appearing on a regular basis.
This is pretty heavy indication that willow is scum because this generally happens when I'm reading powerful scum players.
They flit in and out of scum reads because I love town reading scum.
Willow is my personal top SR.
Pooky is 99 out of 100 times correct that Bell is scum.

Town is in an ok position given these reads. We just need to make them more consensus.

[Bear HUGS]

I scum read everyone to an extent but fear not, that is what normally happens. So really just consider all of my light SRs, TRs and my readlists changes into a p normal reads list.

Basically my scum team is looking like Bell/Willow/Raya or Samantha atm

[Bear HUGS]

I scum read everyone to an extent but fear not, that is what normally happens. So really just consider all of my light SRs, TRs and my readlists changes into a p normal reads list.

Basically my scum team is looking like Bell/Willow/Raya or Samantha atm

add enchant

[Bear HUGS]

Btw I dunno how people are reading Dunn. But you've gotta trust that the bear hydra can read Dunn.
Literally. Pooky + me is the dream team Dunn scum catcher.
And believing that we would white knight a partner like this is ridiculous. So, regardless of what alignment anyone is from your perspective, if ur town, you should be locktowning Dunn.
If Bears is scum and Dunn is scum, the game state would not look like this. So rule out this possibility.
If Bears is scum and Dunn is town, well who cares, Dunn is town and that is my point.
If Bears is town and Dunn is town, double wooo right?
If Bears is town and Dunn is scum, we would've caught Dunn on like page 3 100%.
So, Dunn is definitely town here. Bc us scum together is basically impossible. Us being town and Dunn being scum is extra impossible.
So Dunn is town. Period.

[Bear HUGS]

Bell's last post looked really bad

Does Bell have any inactive town games or is relative inactivity actually a scumtell? I'd be somewhat happy to vote there if so, and I have mixed feelings about the counterwagon forming on Raya.

I am like 97% confident Bell is flipping scum and it’s frustrating af, that some people aren’t seeing it.

Bell suffers from the RedWIM/Noraa tell.

If they ain't here and active, they prolly scumz.

Flea, very likely town for this. However, I don’t agree that activity is the determining factor in either case, it’s content in Bell’s case or more accurate - a flamingly obvious LACK there of. In both cases, it’s eagerness to solve.

I'm back to do the things I promised I'd do.

Bell meta:
Looking at town bell, post count is massive and they start off strong as a heavy poster. Scum bell the posting is generally a bit lower and they still post decently heavy at the beginning but it seems to be less full of content.

This bell:
Very low post count and hasn't really done much content wise. The reason I'm still hesitant to say this is scum bell is because in their scum meta they still post a lot as scum early, it's just lacking content. I want to say bell was just honestly too busy and that's what prevented them from being able to post much. It is possible though that they were struggling to get into the game though as their scum meta shows, especially since I'm even struggling a lot to get into this game and that's not usual for me.

Town!Bell doesn’t have a problem posting actual content and he gets extremely annoyed when wrongly sr. Here he’s wooden and makes meaningless useless posts. Remember Creature used to have “transparent” as a title because his alignment was the easiest to determine out of probably anyone on MS? That’s obviously no longer true since he now has an impressive scum!meta. Well Bell is the new Creature. His alignment is transparent.

@Noraa, I don’t understand why you sr Hectic and townlock Dunn. I strongly tr Hectic and am dead null on Dunn. I think anyone is taking our Bell!scum case seriously and not ignoring Pooky’s overwhelmingly compelling case is > rand town imo. So that probably includes his wagon, Flea, Rhetti etc.

Because if you assume- which I like 97% am - that Bell is almost certainly lockscum here, then it’s extremely helpful to see everyone else’s positioning on him. Usually we’d need to wait for flips but I am beyond confident he’s scum here.

[Bear HUGS]

3rd time is the charm lol
Bell (5): Esooa, Bamboozle, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS
samantha97 (5): Raya36, VFP, Romance, willow1, T3
Raya36 (5): jjh927, WhemeStar, Titus, samantha97, Retti
Enchant (1): Dunnstral
Romance (1): Bell
Retti (1): Flea The Magician

Every game I’ve ever seen a player do this in a game, they’ve flipped town ftr. Sure it’s something scum can easily do, I just don’t recall any game where that was the case.

I don’t know if Sam is like Sheep and can play scum in a myriad of different ways but she is definitely playing differently here than in me v Titus. Sam in that game is not extremely different from Bell in this one. Both (Sam in me v Titus) and (Bell here) have had really weird ass hedgey self-conscious reads with pretty much 0 substance.

I could do a metadive on her to test this but I’m not picking that up here. @Raya, I find it curious that you express doubt on us based on my Sam read. Why don’t you then test that theory by voting out flaming obvscum!Bell?

[Bear HUGS]

Aren't you said Dunn is 100% town, but now null?

No Noraa and me have a different read on him. She thinks he’s prety much locktown, where as I’m dead null. She did correctly sr him in me v Titus but I’m still on the fence where he’s concerned. I think his alignment should hopefully become clearer as the game goes on.

VOTE: Bell

If your wrong my vote is not leaving you day 2 bear

Go for it. Because I bet the game on Bell flipping scum. I am rarely this confident in a sr but when I am, is right like 85% of the time but this time is more like 97% +++.

I correctly nailed Persival in the Room Odds but I couldn’t convince anyone of that and we lost that game. Not to take credit away from the brilliant bear. <3

[Bear HUGS]

I have no problem moving off bell personally. I know pooky is probably right but I have no interest pushing this through day 1. Bell slot is scum and it will take an incredible scum player to be able to shake that off. Bell will die eventually. Whether or not today doesn't matter than much.

Titus has felt off this whole game and imma move her to top SR for a bit here. She feels very uncertain about everything and shifty. Thats not really the momma bear that I know of.

Perhaps willow is town if my other reads are all correct. If not, willow's a deep wolf here.

As for setting up bell then Noraa. Lol what? Like my slot has not even pushed bell that much? Pooky has posted like 3 posts about it and Nancy has posted like 5. Wtf do you mean they're setting up bell and then Noraa? Like I've never even had a SR on bell. Its hilarious how people are trying to slow this wagon down for whatever reason but whatever. Next time you speak, think about if what ur saying even makes sense lol.

I don't die tomorrow unless scum fakes a guilty on me which is never gonna happen in a million years.

Bam, do not call me bugs.

[Bear HUGS]

you two stop quibbling.
give a reads list if you have the time

sam, stop wasting ur posts.

[Bear HUGS]

Anyone not seeing that this is staged Bell then Noraa flips is out of their minds imo.

Wait what do you mean by this?

Flip Bell.
Bell flips town.
Flip Noraa.
Noraa flips wrong town.

Ok I see. You're probably right too. Bears is way too confident for pushing a miselim

bear is almost certainly town and bell flipping town would not move that read in the slightest

too little pooky posting, doesn't really try and buddy bell (which is necessary if belltown/pookyscum), and noraa's posts are very town, don't have as much of an opinion on nancy's but this slot should never be voted in a million years

Anyone not seeing that this is staged Bell then Noraa flips is out of their minds imo.

Wait what do you mean by this?

Flip Bell.
Bell flips town.
Flip Noraa.
Noraa flips wrong town.

Flip Bell.

Bell flips scum.

Flip us - we flip CORRECT town.

Awesome that we’re being correctly read, we’re still not wrong.

I don't think so. Scum!Bell could just feel bad doing that to his teammates knowing everyone will read a silent replace out as extremely scum-indicative for him. I think the final post is pretty NAI.

Anything is possible.

It's more likely scum!Bell would leave nothing.

It's worth noting no one interacted with what he did leave.

this is fundamentally untrue of anyone even remotely familiar with bell's play. he actively feels bad for his scumteam as he struggles with motivation and it is 100% up his alley to give one last attempt to cleanse his conscience

Exactly! he painfully tanked in Pooky v FL, once he got wagoned. He knows he’s not able to reverse the reads on him + he did replace out. Plus, saying a lot of meaningless content=nothing ftr.

And @Noraa, I am never unvoting that slot as long as we are alive in this game. Pooky is not wrong.

Titus

, can you explain who you think is setting up to push

Bugs

tomorrow if

Bell

flips town?

-Bam

I’m assuming she means Wheme and Raya but since he isn’t, it’s a non-issue. We don’t need her white knighting since we’re 97% +++ certain that Bell flips scum, so I find this entire discussion hilarious af.

Titus

, can you explain who you think is setting up to push

Bugs

tomorrow if

Bell

flips town?

-Bam

Hold up, no one hammer yet. I had hinted at this earlier but now is a good time to out this:

I am a gladiator and there is a benefit to me using my ability.

There are two caveats to this: I have to use it twice, and it has to be before 7 days have passed in each day phase that I use it. If I meet those conditions, something good happens but I am going to be as vague as possible otherwise to avoid giving away too much information. I very nearly rage-dueled Esooa in the midst of our argument but I'm glad I calmed down and decided against it. This is why I asked if people were okay with voting out Bell, because if so I can just safely piledrive him with no worries. This wouldn't change anything about the day but I really want to use my ability here.

Just use it on

Bell

-Bam

That also works, since Rhetti is obviously town because of that claim.

It gives me flashbacks to so many similar scum rep outs that I'd never have my view of the slot be unclouded honestly

Noraa hydra in booneytunz, redtea/Hopkirk in Undertale... etc

I don't want some god tier scum player like Jake the Wolfie saving the slot

-Bam

Sorry, typo, I meant

Ircher

, not Jake the Wolfie.

-Bam

LMFAOOOO

[Bear HUGS]

This is

Noraa

talking and the first post that I've signed so listen up because this post is important. This may be a long post but I recommend everyone to, at the very least, skim it.

T3, if you do not read this post in full and have a good long wall post in reply, you are scum claiming.

Keep that in mind and don't throw the game

if you are town

because I am giving you a chance to change my mind. If you don't take it, it is solely on you if you are mislaunched.

Moving on,
lets start the analysing

Spoiler:

We're gonna ignore the rvs posts. Let's start here.

Darn not rvs anymore.

Initial tr on samantha.

The word 'initial' just sounds suuuuper bad here because it kinda says they're not dedicated to the read. In which case, why even say it? It also just rubs me the wrong way because T3 starts calling sam scum when sam goes under pressure which is just kinda like ... coincidence? I think not..

Fair point

, but time zones and weekend.

Defends my hydra against willow's shitty arguments about me being scum before I even posted. Im confbiasing a bit here so ignore this part if you want. But it does feel like self conscious scum towards their buddy.

. I don't like the random assumptions at this point made by bugs. Enchant is

starting off

as town for me. Comes into the game, starts reading, answering questions. VFP is hard town for reasons I don't want to share right now. Wheme doesn't appear to be making an effort but that fits with his meta from town or scum so not sure. I

initially

tred samantha for coming into the game and doing stuff but I'm not so sure. Romance's tone almost feels faked, in a sense. Titus is town. Mostly a gut toneread on this one and would be open to bugs attempting to convonce us. Raya is town for a similar reason to Titus. willow is twn for the idgaf post Bamboozle is guttowny for basically just riding with it at the start.

I think

I'm leavin my RVS vote as is.

Ok so he says here. Bear hydra scum. Enchant town. VFP hard town! Wheme null.

Backtrack on sam TR as sam picks up traction

. Romance scum. Titus town. Raya town. Willow town. Bam town.
Let's also note this is probably the one post with the most content from this slot and there is like zero reasoning for anything.

WhemeStar

actually might be

a good vote.

Oop null read gone as wheme wagon picks up traction.

VOTE: samantha
meh

oh no no.

Sam is picking up traction again. Lets move back!!

can't tell if enchant is drunk or it's still rvs

Enchant TR down the drain as Enchant wagon gains traction.

The Dunn votes are terrible

I'm not going to read too much into pit.

Shades all of Dunn's wagon because most people are TRing Dunn.

I don't know about VFP here. I

could see

Enchant as scum, same with samantha but not them both together. I would want to go for samantha.

VFP null.

Enchant scum(TR totally washed away for ... no reason?)

. Sam scum.

Esooa

seems right

about. The bugs hydra still pings me as scum.

Esooa, a widely TRed player ofc is a TR. oop we need to bring back the bear SR.

Jesus bamboozle is such obv scum why haven’t we voted here earlier

VOTE: bamboozle

Looks like scum trying to act townie to me

VOTE: WhemeStar

Thank you fo pointing out the obvious and trying to get toenpoints.

Oop now we're voting wheme because its an easy wagon choo choo.

Something about samantha Enchant interactions

just seem off, in a sense.

Let's wait for the Bell replacement before voting.

Dunn is pinging me as scum

with post 668.

We back to this. Tbh it feels like he's like copying my read on sam and raya at this point.
We shouldn't be voting bell because ..... ??????????????

Dunn is scum now woo so the TR just disappeared down the drain somehow.

(Earlier he shaded all of Dunn's wagon)

VOTE: dunn

No objections to this as of now

.

Ooouuu what happened here?

TR gone as Dunn gains traction.

Alrigt

I would not be surprised

ifcWheme/dunn are s//s

Wheme is always an option ya know, heh.

VOTE: samantha
:/

oh nvm, sam is good too.

I would rather wait for te bell replacement.

ofc you would lol.

VOTE: titus
The whole towncase thing and voting patterns make me feel like this is scum.

ooo

Titus(previous TR) is an option now

too?

Conclusion:

Spoiler:

This is such a bullshit ISO. I can't even. Nearly every vote is sheeped. Zero explanations. Solely trying to float under the radar and follow along with majority votes. He's poking and prodding everywhere looking for a weak spot to push in town and his votes all come with zero explanation. I've bolded some key words in his ISO that will make it easier to read.

Read this spoiler last.

Spoiler:

The

bolded words

are showing uncertainty, shifts in reads, and most importantly, A LOT of replying to/agreeing with other people. Backtracking on TRs due to their wagon gaining traction is shown in

purple

. Notice how T3 switches wagons super often. But

his switches never show individual thought process

. They only show a "aha I found a wagon that I can push" scum mentality. Townies are individual beings who think on their own because they don't have an answer sheet to rely on. Scum however, come into the game with half an answer sheet. Why read this last? Because now that you've read this, I need you to go through and read it again keeping these colors in mind and try to see if you can see what I am seeing. It will go faster because this is your second time reading.

I am not trying to distract from the bell wagon but I need to bring to people's attention how scummy T3 is being. This is also a warning to T3 saying in

big bold red font

, if you are town, you better start acting like it because currently you have done nothing for this game and deserve to get yeeted off the face of the earth.

Pooky is confident in bell scum so I prefer Bell, naturally. However, if Bell wagon starts deteriorating, T3 will town up or get tunneled.

I want everyone that is town to read this post and give me opinions on T3. Do not start a wagon on T3 because a reply from him is very important. If he is under pressure, it is likely that the reply will naturally look more scummy. I don't wish to tunnel town and I wish to give him a chance. Normally, at a time like this, I go full on tunnel mode but after lots of trial and error, I believe this method is better in more ways than one. We still have time and the bell slot just got replaced. Don't start a wagon on T3 and lets work this out together and win this game together. (directed at town ofc)

[Bear HUGS]

That post may look long but it took me less than 10 minutes to read so read it because its worth the read and it is something that I need opinions on atm.

[Bear HUGS]

I think you might be on to something with that. And if it turns out you're right that suggests I'm wrong on sam so I'm particularly interested.

You did not read that in one minute. Don't even try to fool me with that.

[Bear HUGS]

I don't necessarily think that everyone that T3 starts SRing when they go under pressure is town. The thing is that there are too many of these people which makes me think T3 is scum because he doesn't seem to have any reads of his own which I would expect a townie to have reads of their own.

[Bear HUGS]

anyways if everyone could post one fairly long post in conclusion of what they think about the wall that I just posted, that'd be great. And then we wait for T3 to reply. If T3 replaces out, I will be advocating a flash wagon so he better not throw the game like that if town.

If T3 is town, he will reply and try to work this out. Imma take a break and just watch the thread. I will post again when T3 has replied or replaced out.

[Bear HUGS]

I've learned to read fast. T3, wagon hopping and following the majority, no reasoning behind votes, no conviction to scumreads, finding weak spots, colour code, read a second time, many warnings to give T3 a chance

alright I believe you.

[Bear HUGS]

I have no problem moving off bell personally. I know pooky is probably right but I have no interest pushing this through day 1. Bell slot is scum and it will take an incredible scum player to be able to shake that off. Bell will die eventually. Whether or not today doesn't matter than much.

Titus has felt off this whole game and imma move her to top SR for a bit here. She feels very uncertain about everything and shifty. Thats not really the momma bear that I know of.

Perhaps willow is town if my other reads are all correct. If not, willow's a deep wolf here.

As for setting up bell then Noraa. Lol what? Like my slot has not even pushed bell that much? Pooky has posted like 3 posts about it and Nancy has posted like 5. Wtf do you mean they're setting up bell and then Noraa? Like I've never even had a SR on bell. Its hilarious how people are trying to slow this wagon down for whatever reason but whatever. Next time you speak, think about if what ur saying even makes sense lol.

I don't die tomorrow unless scum fakes a guilty on me which is never gonna happen in a million years.

Bam, do not call me bugs.

You might be right. I wasn’t really thrilled with her Dunn push and completely dismissing Pooky’s case. I’m just so sure Pooky’s right anyway, that the whole her white knighting us thing is pretty much the funniest thing ever.

let me be clear for bamboozle

i strongly doubt raya scum, or anyone, thinks she can get bear voted tomorrow lmao

oh no

whenever someone says "let me be clear" they're about to follow it with a lie

Your takes in this game extremely puzzle me, it makes me think of Labrynth where Shoshin kept insisting that the either the phrase “to be honest” or the acronym “tbh” is likely scum indicative. I think it’s nai but if I was going to ai read it at all, I lean town. Scum usually cares less about being “clear” than town.

he is still /inned for games so very ambiguous, but bell if you're reading this the solution is not to out everywhere if u wanna play

does anyone have exp w/ hectic? pretty town posting to me but eh

Wait

, are you not who I thought you were

let me be clear for bamboozle

i strongly doubt raya scum, or anyone, thinks she can get bear voted tomorrow lmao

It's not sus because Raya's setting up to push them tomorrow, it's sus because it's a dumb basis to read Bugs on. As in, Bell flipping town shouldn't make Raya simply trust Bugs less just because they were wrong, that ignores context of push, whether Bugs really believed in it etc. It's scummy because it's simplistic in how deeply Raya's thinking about their actions.

-Bam

From what I understood it was Wheme who wanted to push us for that reason, Raya wanted to push us for Sam. Either way, it’s beyond dumb but after Animals uPick, I am extremely surprised that Raya would even assume any of our reads have been in bad faith. Why would she auto jump to the conclusion that if we were wrong on Sam, it auto translates to a bad faith read on the slot as opposed to us just being wrong? So, it’s a worrisome conclusion on her part, no matter how you look at it.

Apparently I am in fact required to post

My thoughts:
I'm not really scumreading enchant, which is where my vote has been parked. This isn't a townread,
Samantha is weird. Somebody posted that they voted for me and then gave reasoning for after the initial push, that is correct.
I also think that Bell's play here is scum-indicative.

I acknowledge the gladiator post by Retti. You should get claims before using your ability, not after.

Hmm . . . maybe Noraa really is the Dunn whisperer. I really hated that push on you since it always triggers my spidey senses whenever a totally null slot gets pushed early game.

[Bear HUGS]

We can hold off on eliminating Robert today and see how many people die + if anybody else has a role that suggest multiball

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop

@mod, is this actually multiball?

Bam town.

Disagreeeeee <3

Lowkey wary of Flea, fae's doing that thing where scum doesn't actually interact in real time for the most part and commits to doing a catchup. Which is fine and all, but fae's not been around like, at all save for a tiny moment or two.

It's easier for scum to fake content this way. The reads can look fine and all, but they have time to be crafted. Fae's not gated by the pressure of having a real time interaction which, as scum, is harder to manage (which should be obvious, lmao).

So, Flea -- whenever you're around, instead of doing a big wall, mind talking to whoever's here? Would be easier to get a grasp on you then.

I do If I see people hanging around. A lot of folk here will tell you I'm capable as both stances as both alignments though so it won't really help you sort me. Also I don't "craft" anything as either alignment, I literally just EMBRACE CHAOS and roll with it.

This claim is an interesting development :3

I totally don’t get the Bam srs, I think they’re pretty obvious town here.

you don't think that asking to be counterclaimed by a cop was mafia indicative? what about adding the 2-shot in front of it to make it more believable instead of more jokelike

This is an extremely good point. In my first scum game on MU, we had our teammate who was dead scum walking fake a tpr claim to provoke the real one into CCing that. Scum might have told Robert to try to rolefish.

second paragraph was unnecessarily mean, w/e, it's fine

I don’t know exactly what paragraph you were referencing? I very much doubt it’s from me. I really did think you were scum early game trying to hard policy a lurker. I really don’t think that anymore ftr. Sorry if you found any of our posts offensive.

like there's nothing wrong with gutreads or being wrong at all, it just really annoys me that if i want to vote you w/ specific things in mind to look for that's so unfair, horrible, terrible vote

but if you gutread me wrong with 0 explanation, 0 plan, 0 for me to respond to, it's totally fine play because it's your wrong read, not someone else's wrong read on you

but fundamentally my point isn't that your read on me is actually bad play and that was really mean so i am sorry

I think it’s completely understandable for us to have initially considered you possible scum for that grotesque early push but I don’t anymore. Again, extremely sorry if any of our posts made you feel bad.

I don’t believe Robert’s claim because I think Bell would have already claimed that if true as opposed to replacing out.

[Bear HUGS]

second paragraph was unnecessarily mean, w/e, it's fine

I can understand an activity argument(I dont agree with them but I CAN understand them) but making someone a top SR before they even post? Yeah that's what I call a shitty read.

Bear hug what’s your read on me

You will not get a reply before you do what I have asked.

Honestly why did I even bother mentioning a read? No one's even fucking engaging it. I will not be providing any content until every player has addressed my wall and given me something satisfactory.

[Bear HUGS]

@Raya, I just did a metadive on you and don’t know what to make of your posts in this game. You are not flaming obvtown like you were in both Pokemon Battles and Animals uPick but I’ve played in a game with you where your towngame was very similar to your scumgames. What made you bleeding obvtown in both Battles and uPick, was your fire - Obvtown!you is full of fire. Where is it in this game? I want to have you correctly sorted, so if you’re town here, I will see it if I see that fire. So tell me, why should I tr you?

we meet again esoaa

looks like we're aligned again too

why do you think I'm town samantha?

hmm

I don't recall calling you town

VOTE: bell

@Sam, please explain these posts? If you’re town here and you say you and Esooa are aligned, then how are you not calling her town?

That makes absolutely no sense.

Just to be clear, I still think Robert/Bell is 97% scum and I also don’t necessarily think Noraa’s T3 case (that she posted in 933 is merit less and since I so confidently sr Robert/Bell - his and Titus’ insisting the the other is town, makes me think better > rand chance Titus is his buddy but I really want to sort our these two because I’m having trouble getting a confident read on either.

His srs on both Willow and Romance I am very much not a fan of.

[Bear HUGS]

thoughts on requiring andante to claim?

No point in it. Because we can only vote RMH or Retti today.

I like this post.

VOTE: RMH

I sure as hell am not voting Rhetti.

@Sam, were you serious about keeping Robert - even after knowing he was gladiated? Because the only other alternative to that is the obvtown hardclaimed gladiator.

[Bear HUGS]

@Sam, were you serious about keeping Robert - even after knowing he was gladiated? Because the only other alternative to that is the obvtown hardclaimed gladiator.

no but I'd also be open to it if certain conditions were met that I don't think will be

are you sure that is the only alternative? unless gladiator changes all voting rules, there's still the lack of majority leaving both alive

A duel has started between Robert M Hunter and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

VC 1.6

Robert M Hunter (0):
Retti(0):

Not Voting (all):

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

Mod notes: Seeking replacement for Enchant

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gladiator

Gladiator
During the day the Gladiator can choose someone. Usually done in the same manner a daykill is, they can CHALLENGE <TARGET PLAYER>. All votes are reset.

Only two players are now votable, the Gladiator and their target

. It is almost always one-shot.

[Bear HUGS]

During the day the Gladiator can choose someone. Usually done in the same manner a daykill is, they can CHALLENGE <TARGET PLAYER>. All votes are reset.

Only two players are now votable, the Gladiator and their target

. It is almost always one-shot.

yes that doesn't mention the absence of votes

[*]If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

.

That would definitely be tragic, especially if Rhetti is a one shot.

[Bear HUGS]

Alright, read a bunch of nonsense, and have realized reads aren't going to matter a whole lot with this dual we got, like, if we know gladiator town, we honor the dual and move on yes?

here's some reads I gathered though, I'll keep reading till I'm caught up, got bored of bear and romance alt talk, so I was like, fine.. I'll just share some findings.

#12 and #13 really weird entrance, unless that's normal for Bell
#25 LMAO I love this line from T3
#34 I liked Titus shutting down the convo, cause if we're not allowed to discuss something, I bet there's a good reason, I feel like scum would probably try and pry more info - TL on Titus
#57 @willow, something you'd do as scum? Shutting down a convo like that feels town motivated to me, and I'd also expect the bear hydra to be strong, and at this point bear is super weak.
#69 "Rvs wrapped with a ribbon" LMAO I love it
#82 LMAOOOOOOOOO I AM DEAD #84 is golden too
#87 Why would you ask why a take should be genuine? - SL on sam
#96 Why would scum be scared of the bear hydra at this point? you haven't said anything scary
#97 agreed
#118 This is a good post from Romance, I like the thought process - TL on Romance
#119 Exactly my thoughts,

most town doesn't go around faking SRs for fun

, so why even say it's a good take when it's basically common sense? - TL on Romance
Up till #126 - Bear posts - Bear isn't even being remotely towny to me
Then bear goes on this long path of discussing Romance's alt, like how is that even relevant to this? Feels like filler to get to Bear's 200 posts, then to just have an excuse for why they can't post tbh - SL on Bear HUGS

Where my reads are at:
Town Lean:
Titus
Romancce

Scum Lean:
samantha

Bear hugs

You are either scum here or you’re town who doesn’t bother to read what you write before you press send.

@Andante, please quote the post where I fake sr Robert/Bell for “fun”.

[Bear HUGS]

pshhh I read what I wrote before I sent it!! #119 isn't even directed at you?? #119 is a line from Romance, replying to sam going "this is a good take" to:

In post 89, Raya36 wrote:
Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread

like, not even related to you?

I know that was directed to Romance and I’ve been hard pushing a sr on Robert/Bell, so I’m asking you based off of that post, if you think I’m “faking a sr on him

for fun

”.

Whatever you are, I’m not about to let you get away with that shitty a read on us. Althunting is bad but actually scummy? And saying we did that as “filler” to pad our post count is beyond moronic. Sorry but that is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read in any game ever. Did you even read Pooky’s compelling metacase on him? And what about our other posts? Have you even bothered to read any of them, because this looks like nonsence shade and cherry picking something that isn’t even ai for anyone.

[Bear HUGS]

Someone say they feel I am town or scum so we can start to break RVS.

Either that or comment on Romance wagon which is a gun to my head wagon on scum.

for andante this was the titus post i'd make as scum, not the flavorclaim one from the same page. i didn't like people townreading this because titus wasn't born yesterday and knows the more vocal scum are at the start, the better it tends to go for them

Subject: Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

VOTE: Starcrossed

Let's get out of RVS.

Titus was literally outed scum stump in this game for reference and people were joking that this was a townie post from her.

[Bear HUGS]

noraa that line you're bolding is literally about samantha97 suggesting scumreads didn't have to be genuine, not about you. andante isn't saying you faked the bell/robert sr for fun.

Yes, I understand he hasn’t caught up yet, so I probably shouldn’t have jumped on him for that but I found it kind’ve insulting to suggest that we were padding our postcount and that I was lying about scaling it back to not exceed the post cap, which I obviously didn’t know about.

And this is Nancy btw, it was Noraa who made the althunting posts.

[Bear HUGS]

Noraa gets super salty when she gets negative meta reads on her by alts she doesn’t know. For me, it’s more like “do I know you?” whenever I get a metaread from a slot I’m unfamiliar with. I also forgot that you haven’t as of yet caught up to our hard Robert/Bell push and I am still extremely confident that slot is pretty much lockscum.

Anyway fwiw, I don’t think that Titus and Raya are ever SvS here.

[Bear HUGS]

why are there so many fuckin subs on this site

it kinda kills my motivation when ev``````ery single game has 5 replacements

It's the same slot. Unwnd -> Enchant -> Andante

Usually when the same slot keeps replacing out it ends up being scum

Could be but eventhough they’re read on us was arguably bad, their reaction to my confronting them on it was decent. It read to me like they actually believed what they were saying where as I don’t believe anything Robert was saying seemed genuine because he wasn’t sorting Willow, he was straight up confibiasing him.

Town: trys to sort than makes assessment
Scum: makes assessment then uses reads to confibias that read not to try to parse.

Hold up, no one hammer yet. I had hinted at this earlier but now is a good time to out this:

I am a gladiator and there is a benefit to me using my ability.

There are two caveats to this: I have to use it twice, and it has to be before 7 days have passed in each day phase that I use it. If I meet those conditions, something good happens but I am going to be as vague as possible otherwise to avoid giving away too much information. I very nearly rage-dueled Esooa in the midst of our argument but I'm glad I calmed down and decided against it. This is why I asked if people were okay with voting out Bell, because if so I can just safely piledrive him with no worries. This wouldn't change anything about the day but I really want to use my ability here.

Why even ask, use it.

I wasn't gonna just run out and gladiate immediately and have people be like "omg wtf why did you do that nooo". Same reason I didn't try to hero shoot esooa.

Why not

Can't see random gladiator as stupid decision.

Ok. What stopping you now?

I literally just said I want to read over everyone in the game first

Do you believe there's someone even more mafialooking than Bell?

Pooky also tells me that she’s a newb, so I don’t think a newb can easily fake it when they’re caught making a bs read on a slot.

Also assuming Robert/Bell flips scum here (extremely likely), Enchant practically goaded Rhetti to use their gladiate-knowing he was for sure going to use it on Bell.

[Bear HUGS]

Has Robert made a post since being glad?

If not I’ll hammer rn

What would be the point of me posting?

VOTE: RMH

If Robert flips scum, Wheme is likely spewed town by this.

I'm not sure how I feel about Romance's nonchalance.

@Bamboozle, have you misread Noraa lately?

And this is one of the many reasons, I feel so confident on town!Bam because this definitely does not read like a buddy post ever.

Bam is super obvtown regardless but #208 struck me like a possible tmi tr on them.

[Bear HUGS]

idk bell was 100% right about me including the reasons why

Maybe?

uh just a quick glance thru Town!Bell / Scum!Bell meta:

Spoiler: Town Bell

WH-13
Xenoblade 2
TeneT
TLich Grand Idea
Guns & Roses V
Death Curse

Spoiler: Scum Bell

Among Us
Epilogue
Smoke Filled Antechamber
Pooky vs Flavor Leaf

It's like kind of glaringly obvious which Bell we are dealing with here.

I don't even see what was so bad with bell's stuff anyway. They just seemed inactive is all

did you take a look at the bell games I linked?

there is a clear difference between Bell!Town and Bell!Scum.

Bell!Town has no trouble getting into the flow of the game and putting out content/pushing the action.

Bell!Scum has great difficulty getting into the game, he struggles playing the red!alignment.

Regardless of RL - the fact that he couldn't get into his town!persona at all heavily hints that his alignment this game is scum.

His replace-out post is practically a scum claim, just randomly tossing out townreads/random thoughts at people.


I don't doubt that he had RL problems that caused him to hit the replace-out button - but think about

why

he finds it difficult to get into the game/putting down meaningful reads.

Town!Bell participates very easily - the game just flows. Scum!Bell absolutely struggles to replicate that Town!Bell mentality - he finds the game much harder and that is why he's struggling to get into the game.

Someone say they feel I am town or scum so we can start to break RVS.

Either that or comment on Romance wagon which is a gun to my head wagon on scum.

I flat out disagree with Bell's case.

*Bear's bell case

If Robert/Bell does flip scum like I expect, Titus is my #1 pick to be his buddy. Robert’s posts also seem to have weird Titus associatives and since I don’t think Titus and Raya are ever SvS here, Titus scumflip would likely spew her town.

[Bear HUGS]

I'm not interested in the lurkers personally. I'm fine with either Sam/VFP.

no but we're in a theme large

never know if they're about to dayvig lol

Hm very true, although usually you have to explicitly say Dayvig:

Why are you voting for no elim VFP?

Wouldn't it be more fun to vote someone?

Hm well I'm voting bear hugs but they aren't even around to make that fun

Let's vote sam. Sam is around and I'm not so sure their take on enchant is genuine

VOTE: sam

Because town should generally be genuine. It's scum who want to fake a scumread

The turnaround on me and sam including scum to both town was towny of bear hugs

I feel Raya might be scum. I looked through her ISO and there's only one scumread she's pushed. Most of her posts are questions minus one push based on "genuine" feelings in RVS.

Raya's defense of Bell also isn't true sooo

I'm back to do the things I promised I'd do.

Bell meta:
Looking at town bell, post count is massive and they start off strong as a heavy poster. Scum bell the posting is generally a bit lower and they still post decently heavy at the beginning but it seems to be less full of content.

This bell:
Very low post count and hasn't really done much content wise. The reason I'm still hesitant to say this is scum bell is because in their scum meta they still post a lot as scum early, it's just lacking content. I want to say bell was just honestly too busy and that's what prevented them from being able to post much. It is possible though that they were struggling to get into the game though as their scum meta shows, especially since I'm even struggling a lot to get into this game and that's not usual for me.

What about this “isn’t true” @Titus? How is what Raya is saying 180 degrees different from you? Only difference is, she didn’t flat out dismiss Pooky’s case like you did.

I find this response to Pooky’s Bell case far more believable than Titus just flat out rejecting it.

This wagon setup reeks of punishing Dunn voters.

Also this post. How does the setup punish Dunn voters?

[Bear HUGS]

What's a Dunn voter?

People voting Dunn obviously?

Bear, those Raya posts, like 89 and the ones before that are RVS posts and I take them as meaning almost nothing? I'm just kinda confused on the case you're trying to make right now lol

VC 1.5

Bell (5): Esooa, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS, Raya36
Raya36 (4): jjh927, Titus, Retti, Bamboozle
samantha97 (3): VFP, Romance, willow1
Romance (2): Bell, WhemeStar
Retti (1): Flea The Magician,
Titus (1): T3
Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Not Voting (1): samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

If Robert/Bell flips scum, Raya is the second largest wagon. The way Titus keeps pushing her, doesn’t look like buddies, so I think if either flips scum, probably townspews the other and since I feel very confident on Robert/Bell scum, so his flip doesn’t look great for Titus for all of the reasons I already mentioned.

I also think it’s possible we die tonight if we’re right and I want to try to get as much solving in just in case.

[Bear HUGS]

Didn't you complain about how "short" this game day was? How come you're still not caught up in this short game then?
I dont get you. You complain there's not enough pages and then dont even bother to read the "small" amount of pages according to you.

Like why come ask us so many questions and call us scum for reasons that dont even apply when you can just go read the short little game? It's blatantly obvious what alignment we are and maybe if you read the game instead of complained about the pace, it would be much easier for everyone?

-Noraa

[Bear HUGS]

Didn't you complain about how "short" this game day was? How come you're still not caught up in this short game then?
I dont get you. You complain there's not enough pages and then dont even bother to read the "small" amount of pages according to you.

Like why come ask us so many questions and call us scum for reasons that dont even apply when you can just go read the short little game? It's blatantly obvious what alignment we are and maybe if you read the game instead of complained about the pace, it would be much easier for everyone?

-Noraa

@Noraa it’s fine she’s asking us questions but that’s why I confronted her on that bad read. Pooky seems to think she’s town and he told us she was in a newbie game. One thing I learned from Death Curse is not to get angry and dismissive whenever I dislike a read on us.

@Sam ftr I am definitely NOT anti-alt and people have the absolute right to play in alts but that’s completely irrelevant to the issue of Bell meta.

[Bear HUGS]

Didn't you complain about how "short" this game day was? How come you're still not caught up in this short game then?
I dont get you. You complain there's not enough pages and then dont even bother to read the "small" amount of pages according to you.

Like why come ask us so many questions and call us scum for reasons that dont even apply when you can just go read the short little game? It's blatantly obvious what alignment we are and maybe if you read the game instead of complained about the pace, it would be much easier for everyone?

-Noraa

no, I wasn't complaining, was just shocked 18 people had less than 1000 posts, I have a different game that had a quicker deadline, so that's where my focus has mostly been, like, yall locked in a duel, I'm not voting the gladiator, so that left 1 option, regardless of what I've read, my focus has had to be elsewhere, I can't discuss, but I wasn't complaining about so little content, and if I stayed up last night, I could've read to where we're at, I mean, sorry if you didn't like any of my questions, but I feel like reading yalls stuff, and asking yall questions has helped me, like, I feel I have a decent understanding of what happened without actually reading any of it. I could've just stayed silent here, but I didn't I chose to try and engage with yall, sorry if you hated my questions, I'm literally just trying my best here

It’s fine, I hated your read on us, which is why I called you out on it and I liked your reaction and this one even better. I don’t think scum ever has this kind of reaction.

@Noraa I was specifically referring to my treatment of Flea in Death Curse, not implying anything about you at all. <3

[Bear HUGS]

if robertbell is town, who is mafia?

I think you’re wrong but I also think you may actually really believe he’s town. It really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum!you to keep pushing this after he’s already been hammered.

I could keep saying read our metacase but atp, it’s really up to the flip. Gun to head. I really do think it will be a scumflip and therefore don’t really see the wisdom of responding to this.

Obviously if he’s town, then Titus is probably a townlock, I just really doubt it.

[Bear HUGS]

Didn't you complain about how "short" this game day was? How come you're still not caught up in this short game then?
I dont get you. You complain there's not enough pages and then dont even bother to read the "small" amount of pages according to you.

Like why come ask us so many questions and call us scum for reasons that dont even apply when you can just go read the short little game? It's blatantly obvious what alignment we are and maybe if you read the game instead of complained about the pace, it would be much easier for everyone?

-Noraa

no, I wasn't complaining, was just shocked 18 people had less than 1000 posts, I have a different game that had a quicker deadline, so that's where my focus has mostly been, like, yall locked in a duel, I'm not voting the gladiator, so that left 1 option, regardless of what I've read, my focus has had to be elsewhere, I can't discuss, but I wasn't complaining about so little content, and if I stayed up last night, I could've read to where we're at, I mean, sorry if you didn't like any of my questions, but I feel like reading yalls stuff, and asking yall questions has helped me, like, I feel I have a decent understanding of what happened without actually reading any of it. I could've just stayed silent here, but I didn't I chose to try and engage with yall, sorry if you hated my questions, I'm literally just trying my best here

It’s fine, I hated your read on us, which is why I called you out on it and I liked your reaction and this one even better. I don’t think scum ever has this kind of reaction.

@Noraa I was specifically referring to my treatment of Flea in Death Curse, not implying anything about you at all. <3

Awesome, glad the bears don't hate me!!!
Like, I fully welcome anyone to challenge my reads, if I sr a town, please prove me wrong, if I tr a scum, I'd love for town to step in and go "heyyyy wanna rethink that?" Like, I honestly think it's been the best method for helping me find scum!!

Alright, I'm done chatting here, I think day's hammered anyways, next time yall hear from me, I think everyone will love the content I plan on delivering Scum... you better be scared!!

I like that you’re open to having your reads questioned and I think you townified a slot that was getting sr due to replace outs. While that arguably isn’t a good look for any slot, you just seem really super genuine and the enthusiasm also reads highly town indicative to me. Also, I really don’t see much of an agenda in your posting at all, so I feel pretty good on you being town here.

This is Nancy head btw, in case that wasn’t obvious.

[Bear HUGS]

if robertbell is town, who is mafia?

I still think Raya is scum regardless.

I know RMH's posting hasn't been good and Retti is almost certainly town.

I really hope I am right on RMH though. It looks less likely to be the case with the self vote.

It really doesn't matter FMPOV if RMH is town, he's still the better play with Retti being obvtown. RMH's death, if town, confirms multiball which creates an interesting dynamic. It also weakens RMH's value. If RMH flips cop, it's unfortunate but still the optimal play as Retti is town. Scum Retti holds his gladiate I think unless his gladiate gates a stronger scum power.

if robertbell is town, who is mafia?

I still think Raya is scum regardless.

I know RMH's posting hasn't been good and Retti is almost certainly town.

I really hope I am right on RMH though. It looks less likely to be the case with the self vote.

It really doesn't matter FMPOV if RMH is town, he's still the better play with Retti being obvtown. RMH's death, if town, confirms multiball which creates an interesting dynamic. It also weakens RMH's value. If RMH flips cop, it's unfortunate but still the optimal play as Retti is town. Scum Retti holds his gladiate I think unless his gladiate gates a stronger scum power.

Maybe I’m wrong on you then? Raya could be scum? But I really think the right flip today happened. I really do think he’s flipping scum here.

[Bear HUGS]

And we're back! Let's see who what I missed.

Romance has died! Let's see what they were

Spoiler: Welcome Romance you are

Maid Mask

Powers

You are a Vanilla Townie

X: You have your vote and voice use them wisely
X1: You also own a

Mask

if you choose to wear it you will become a list cop. At the end of the next dayphase you must submit me a list of the entire playerlist, you will cop check the first person on your list and will go down. If someone on list dies they will be skipped

Wait, it seems we're not done here!

Bamboozle has died! Let's see what they were

Spoiler: Welcome Bamboozle you are

Yuri Honjo

Powers

You are a Town JOAT (Modposter/Ninja checker/Rolecop)

X: You have three powers each you may use only once during the game
X1: Modposter: Submit a 200 character or less message to me and I will post it at the start of the phase
X2: Ninja checker: You may check if a player has the 'ninja' modifier
N3: Rolecop: You may investigate a player and be told there role.

I really would have liked to see that message. I expected us, Rhetti or Willow. Maybe one was vigged? Really sucks that Bam was TPR. :/

[Bear HUGS]

Alright, now that all of town's good roles have died incidentally, let's look back at what happened yesterday.

First of all, there were two kills, One was either from town or it's mutiball, or mafia have multiple kills. Right now I'm leaning toward the extra kill being from town.

If I remember correctly, there were a few people who had weird reactions to what seemed like a pretty bad claim. I don't know what motivated Robert to say it was a joke claim, he must have not talked to his team, or his team thought that was a good idea.

We lost one town joat and one vt, so I don’t understand what you’re talking about? Are you saying there’s only one good town role because we still have gladiate?

[Bear HUGS]

So Willow and Bear are lock town.
T3 and Wheme are hard town.

Titus could just be scum here.
Raya and Samantha I still don't favour, but maybe Raya more at this stage.

Can you explain T3?

if robertbell is town, who is mafia?

I think Sam might be town from this.

Titus only changed her mind on Robert/Bell after he was already hammered.

Also she was pushing Bam.

Who was pushing Romance?

If bell flips scum I think retti is lock scum for mep

don't understand this

this bamboozle person needs to go though more votes there.

your push on them was based on them "trying to look townie" which is vague with nothing to refute.

they gave a sarcastic response to you highlighting this emptiness with rhetorical questions. i didn't like this but when you ignore it they accuse you of deflecting, and you respond in kind.

ie. probably best to just elaborate

I was joking on my side because I offered him a

1v1

and he accepted. I still can't tell if Wheme is serious or not tbh.

I don't like Raya dismissing the Bell case like that at all. Raya more likely scum regardless of Bell's alignment imo, but it's probably worse for her if he flips town. We should absolutely be flipping Bell today btw.

-Bam

Reread what Romance role pm said.

Yes apparently her mask can turn her into a cop. So you must mean investigative roles then?

[Bear HUGS]

This wagon setup reeks of punishing Dunn voters.

Alright, now that all of town's good roles have died incidentally, let's look back at what happened yesterday.

Where the fuck is this from?

VOTE: Dunn

VC 1.5

Bell (5): Esooa, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS, Raya36
Raya36 (4): jjh927, Titus, Retti, Bamboozle
samantha97 (3): VFP, Romance, willow1
Romance (2): Bell, WhemeStar
Retti (1): Flea The Magician,
Titus (1): T3
Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Not Voting (1): samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

Let's look at Raya's wagon. Retti is likely town and we're assuming he's town for purposes of this exercise. JJH encouraged the Raya vote based on the case I made. I don't think he spends his little capital doing that if he knows Bell/RMH is scum unless Raya also is. So we can rule out jjh scum, raya town.

That means if scum were trying to save Bell by sheeping my wrong case, it would have to be Bamboozle. If my Raya case is right, the Raya wagon is all town.

Tldr: One of Raya/Bam should flip scum.

I'm also assuming singleball.

What happened to this?

Why aren’t you voting Raya based on this?

I think Hectic flip looks bad for both Titus and Raya but she’s been pushing Dunn both days. Rn, I think my vote will probably be for one of them.

[Bear HUGS]

Alright, now that all of town's good roles have died incidentally, let's look back at what happened yesterday.

First of all, there were two kills, One was either from town or it's mutiball, or mafia have multiple kills. Right now I'm leaning toward the extra kill being from town.

If I remember correctly, there were a few people who had weird reactions to what seemed like a pretty bad claim. I don't know what motivated Robert to say it was a joke claim, he must have not talked to his team, or his team thought that was a good idea.

We lost one town joat and one vt, so I don’t understand what you’re talking about? Are you saying there’s only one good town role because we still have gladiate?

I don't Vanilla Nora is a thing anymore, just saying. You're always Gladiating.

This is Nancy btw.

Subject: Death Curse

Fidget is not a lurker. Each post she posts has a large amount of content even tho she only has 100+ posts. Flea on the other hand, has 66 posts each with close to zero content.

I can't find a single post of hers without reading through hundreds of posts I don't have time for.

What's your Gloria read?

ISOs exist

They are completely divorced from context.

Why are you suddenly so interested in making me a focal point while we’re waiting to see who Shelley gives the scroll to?

I'm not. I'm trying to find a way to sort Fidget. I already sorted you.

How does getting Noraa’s read on me help you to sort Fidget when you’ve already sorted me? Shouldn’t you be asking her about Fidget or ISOing her?

I did ask her about Fidget. I got stonewalled. ISOing Fidget removes the context. So by having her explain her read on your 1 v 1, I might get a roundabout way of reading Fidget. Something to look for. As far as I know, Noraa is the only one TRing Fidget.

P.S. DGB is scum. This is Trials DGB

.

I think it’s possible that both Titus and Raya are SvS. I forgot about this. I’m not sure Raya was ever in actual danger but I read Titus’ 180 on Robert as sounding really fake.

And I’m thinking Dunn might be this game’s Taylor.

VOTE: Titus

I think she’s trying to push Dunn and possibly distance Raya. I still feel worse about Titus.

Can you explain T3?

I feel like our reads are on the same wave length
T3 has a pretty unique play style. I liked how he handled his Robert vote and 764 is how I'd expect town T3 to act in a game. I'm not going into that last part more though.

I don’t know maybe?

My current trs are Rhetti, Willow, you, Adante. TLs on Flea, Wheme, Sam. Scum leans on Titus, Raya. I think everyone else is a null but the more Titus pushes Dunn, the more I lean town on him.

[Bear HUGS]

Jesus bamboozle is such obv scum why haven’t we voted here earlier

VOTE: bamboozle

Looks like scum trying to act townie to me

I'm not seeing this

Well that bell wagon grew fast. Not really sure what to make of that. I'm not super familiar with bell's meta but their latest post doesn't appear scummy, and besides not doing much they seem fine.

Also, that last post by Bell was a straight up scumclaim, yeah? Would people be okay with just voting him out here and now?

Not a fan of this. Replacements are nai, they gave reads, the logical thing to do is wait for the replacement who we can read

I don't even see what was so bad with bell's stuff anyway. They just seemed inactive is all

Town!Bell doesn’t have a problem posting actual content and he gets extremely annoyed when wrongly sr. Here he’s wooden and makes meaningless useless posts. Remember Creature used to have “transparent” as a title because his alignment was the easiest to determine out of probably anyone on MS? That’s obviously no longer true since he now has an impressive scum!meta. Well Bell is the new Creature. His alignment is transparent.

I'd be willing to move to bell and trust your case. I can see where you're coming from although their play this game doesn't really match either their town or scum meta. I obviously prefer sam but if it comes down to it I'll switch

Ok whatever, I'll do it. But back to sam D2 if we go with bell today. At least with this flip I can decide if I should be trusting the bears or not

VOTE: bell

These posts in particular are the ones I'm referring to. Raya only caved to Bell after she became the counterwagon, and did so in a manner that looks extremely forced. I think reading her as town off of this is fallacious.

This is understandable. I still think it's unfair at the very least to judge someone as scum because of replacing out. But my progression was actually looking into the meta and Pooky's case

Hold up, no one hammer yet. I had hinted at this earlier but now is a good time to out this:

I am a gladiator and there is a benefit to me using my ability.

There are two caveats to this: I have to use it twice, and it has to be before 7 days have passed in each day phase that I use it. If I meet those conditions, something good happens but I am going to be as vague as possible otherwise to avoid giving away too much information. I very nearly rage-dueled Esooa in the midst of our argument but I'm glad I calmed down and decided against it. This is why I asked if people were okay with voting out Bell, because if so I can just safely piledrive him with no worries. This wouldn't change anything about the day but I really want to use my ability here.

Just use it on

Bell

-Bam

Why is Bam, who is voting Raya, encouraging a gladiate on Bell?

This should at least hint to you by your case, bam is the scum between us two

I think raya is town from yesterday’s voting patterns right

She might be but Titus’ Dunn push without making any comment on her Raya read whatsoever concerns me but she did express possible suspicion on us if Robert/Bell flipped town, so maybe?

Raya did vote Robert so I’m still on the fence but Hectic was heavily sr her. I could be wrong on Raya but I hated that Titus completely dismissed Pooky Bell metacase, Dunn push and Robert 180 feels fake and Robert/Titus interactions read like buddies.

Yeah, I guess it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for Raya to have killed Bam.

Welcome Andante!

VOTE: RMH

thoughts on requiring andante to claim?

No?

why are there so many fuckin subs on this site

For what it's worth there seems to be more subs than usual lately so hopefully they will die down a bit soon

Self-hammers typically come from scum? Maybe we actually got one

[Bear HUGS]

Ayyyy why did the bears not die last night? I thought they were screaming town at the end there

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still strongly in favor of you roleclaiming due to the cloud of suspicion from your revolving door slot

Why would I claim my role, and why are you so fascinated by what I'm flipping? This feels super anti town to me, especially after 2 people just died, so no thanks, I'll take a pass on claiming

Romance's tone feels natural to me, especially in her interactions with the bear hugs (bugs). Like she didn't care about the bugs's pressure and let it uncompose her and still argued in good faith.

-Bam

Really? I COMPLETELY disagree.

So Robert was pushing Romance. Interesting.

Why are you voting for no elim VFP?

This is a rubbish push on a joke random stage vote by VFP.

Robert also pushing Raya.

titus post is something i'd do as scum but titus ain't me. i don't wanna vote there. i don't really want to vote sam or raya either.

i'm actually pretty happy w/ where my vote is atm. classic dilemma of "want to get real discussion by voting someone active but don't want to vote anyone active"

this is a hydra i expected to start strong and instead has 1 post

Why wouldn't you vote me as that would be a way to break out of RVS? If scum would do it, that's a reason as good as any in RVS.

The hydra I understand not posting but it is the weekend.

This is the first exchange that pings me.

Willow is being very tentative, and waffly. Willow says that Titus may be scummy for a reason, but this reason may not apply to Titus, so doesn't want to vote Titus or Sam or Raya (I would wager at least one scum in this group of three, that's how the brain works). The fence-sitting continues with "I want to vote an active player but don't want to vote an active player."

Titus astutely picks up on this too and calls out willow on it. Yes, why wouldn't willow vote Titus, as she stated a very valid reason to do it, especially surrounding the RVS?

I town read Titus here for boldly asking willow to go ahead and vote her. I scum read willow for sounding nervous and scared.

Bear, it's expected your hydra will have many posts. That's not an in depth secret, nor is Romance claiming your volume suggests something about your alignment.

I find it odd you're objecting to Romance but you're quiet on Willow.

VOTE: Bear hydra

Again this is a townie paying close attention.

Someone say they feel I am town or scum so we can start to break RVS.

Either that or comment on Romance wagon which is a gun to my head wagon on scum.

for andante this was the titus post i'd make as scum, not the flavorclaim one from the same page. i didn't like people townreading this because titus wasn't born yesterday and knows the more vocal scum are at the start, the better it tends to go for them

I feel good with my vote. Robert’s positioning on Titus seemed particularly weird to me.

Ayyyy why did the bears not die last night? I thought they were screaming town at the end there

I thought it would be us, Rhetti, Willow. If Titus is scum it would make sense because she considers me an easy pocket. I wrongly tr her in Death Curse.

[Bear HUGS]

Ayyyy why did the bears not die last night? I thought they were screaming town at the end there

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still strongly in favor of you roleclaiming due to the cloud of suspicion from your revolving door slot

Why would I claim my role, and why are you so fascinated by what I'm flipping? This feels super anti town to me, especially after 2 people just died, so no thanks, I'll take a pass on claiming

@Sam, why do you keep pushing Andante to claim?

by confident I mean like 99% instead of 95% for bear, for example

what makes you so confident?

my innate cop power role

???

If you’re a cop you can only investigate one slot and then why not 100%?

[Bear HUGS]

innate as in irl

What is your innate irl cop instincts tell you about Titus? Why not ask her to claim?

here is my note on andante:

andante spammed lmao and lol which is very different from a completed towngame they were in... but maybe the people here are just funnier, enchant may have just been going after bell for towncred and pushing the gladiator to guarantee it landed on the doomed mafia ((unwnd replaced out after 2 votes on him page1, enchant replaced out at some point between page 33 viewtopic.php?p=12719217#p12719217 and page 40 viewtopic.php?p=12722404#p12722404 - potentially because robert claimed seer))

Oh okay I see.

So Robert was pushing Romance. Interesting.

I'm not sure why that's interesting, ? Unless you're suggesting romance was the scum NK, which would make bamboozle the worst hero vig shot of all time.

I have no idea but I found it really interesting that he was pushing her. I’m definitely hoping that wasn’t the case. I think either one was a horrible vig target.

[Bear HUGS]

i am arguing that you fundamentally do not do things like hold off voting wagons while not having a solid footing of the game to work with, and that you would instead have been happy to throw your vote around readily just to see what happens

you were not trying to read into the bell wagon as it was developing and there's little to no evidence you're using the flip at all even now

I created a counterwagon to Bell because a) I felt it was wrong, b) I felt Raya was right and c) it does generate a counterwagon. I was reading into wagons as they occured, particularly the Dunn wagon. I moved my vote around a fair amount given my activity level at the time. Your argument that I didn't analyze wagons just isn't true.

I am using the flips to determine my reads, but I am not ignoring dayplay. Dunn's entry here combined with wagons punishing his detractors yesterday makes him a good place to start and gives Raya a chance to prove me wrong.

Wtf do you mean with this? Dunn was a bad vote and considering Bell did in fact flip scum, whatever argument you keep pushing with this makes absolutely no sense.

And there’s this:

I'm cooling off on Raya because Romance was killed. If Romance was killed by scum, it would set me up to tunnel Raya.

If a town source claims to kill Raya later, I'd go back

. (Note: No one should claim if they did.)

Why would it make Raya scum if Romance was the scum kill?

And seriously dafuq to the bolded?

Your post makes no sense. You’d what re-evaluate on Raya after she’s flipped?

i just woke up and skimmed but i'm still down to piledrive titus

probably going to hold off until i actually read the game again but her reactions to votes day 1 was so fucking bad even w/o the robert flip

I don’t feel quite as confident on Titus as Bell but it’s definitely up there. #1131 is the most pinging post yet from her.

I think Dunn, Titus is TvS.

Titus keeps making this ridiculous argument that scum was punishing Dunn voters, which actually wouldn’t be terrible if Bell had actually flipped town but he didn’t and it seems that Titus is completely ignoring this and I would think she would be casing Robert/Bell to get scum associatives or doing a VCA on positioning on Bell wagon than continue to weirdly keep focusing on Dunn.

Why would scum be trying to protect Dunn when Bell was being pushed anyway?

Noraa thinks #1131 sounds tmi and the perspective on Raya isn’t sitting well with me.

VC 1.5

Bell (5): Esooa, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS, Raya36
Raya36 (4): jjh927, Titus, Retti, Bamboozle
samantha97 (3): VFP, Romance, willow1
Romance (2): Bell, WhemeStar
Retti (1): Flea The Magician,
Titus (1): T3
Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Not Voting (1): samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

Let's look at Raya's wagon. Retti is likely town and we're assuming he's town for purposes of this exercise. JJH encouraged the Raya vote based on the case I made. I don't think he spends his little capital doing that if he knows Bell/RMH is scum unless Raya also is. So we can rule out jjh scum, raya town.

That means if scum were trying to save Bell by sheeping my wrong case, it would have to be Bamboozle. If my Raya case is right, the Raya wagon is all town.

Tldr: One of Raya/Bam should flip scum.

I'm also assuming singleball.

this is the main wagon analysis you do, on the Raya wagon you started, where one of bam/raya will flip scum.

you've backed off of raya citing the romance kill changing your view.

i don't see any attempt to analyze the bell wagon, either before or after the gladiate, and dunn making a snarky remark on two town prs dying is aimless commentary and not scum indicative

Robert and Titus felt VERY buddyish.

T3 and Andante and Dunn.

Calling it now.

I said this too. And now it sounds like you’re almost panicking. Why?

@Nancy, You could try engaging my Dunn read. Saying Dunn is town solely because I am pushing him is very demotivating.

I’m not saying that BECAUSE you’re pushing but because HOW you’re doing it and the TM game you referenced you were the game losing miselim in that. I don’t even see how the two situations are even similar here. It sounds like an over reaction.

Like if we got flipped, it would be a mistake obviously but the game wouldn’t be lost because of it.

Basically your Dunn push is bad unless you’re expressly accusing him of being an informed scum like Fire was in Under the Sea, because I read that as nai.

You outright dismissed Pooky’s Bell case but as soon as Robert was hammered you did a complete 180 on the slot and it didn’t feel organic to me.

Alright, tell me why I should be tr you here, let’s start with that because rn, you’re my #1 sr.

[Bear HUGS]

this is pooks

ngl i was way too lazy to actually figure anything out cuz i thought we were going to get shot last night for sure lol

but since we're alive i'll like do some solving or w/e


right now I think raya/titus/t3 r probly town

i'll try to like actually read tonight or tomm night

[Bear HUGS]

I'll be honest I didn't even notice Esoaa's excellent case on why Bell is scum b4 today.

Esoaa locktown

jjh's rebuttal of Esoaa feels kind of gross in comparison

VOTE: jjh

Titus,

the meta issue isn't whether Bell-scum can be active. Bell-scum can certainly play an active opening if properly motivated and with sufficient free time.

It's that I've never see Bell-town be that soft on entry - it doesn't take Bell-town energy to look townie so he always looks really townie when he's actually town.

[Bear HUGS]

Esoaa has been locktown for a long time but I don't remember a particular case

Please elaborate

you literally refuted Esoaa's case on bell!scum

[Bear HUGS]

You're denying it's activity while outright stating he was soft, which is another word for activity.

The logic you are using is flawed, what you would need to disprove the meta argument I used is evidence of inactive Town!Bell not active Scum!Bell, and even if you did have such an example you would need overwhelming numbers to overturn a meta-argument that relies on a large number of examples.

Anyway I don't think there's any point to continue to litigate the issue.

He was scum, we got him. Yay.

Let's catch the rest of the bad guys

[Bear HUGS]

jjh and samantha are the two that I'm most interested in eliminating.

I don't like the way samantha jumps on and off the bell wagon it feels like a scumbag who wants to get bus-cred but then changes her mind when its possible to get away with a different elim and then changes her my back to bussing.

jjh's conversation with Esooa when she first scumreads Bell feels very much like a scumbag trying to make excuses for their buddy - also the rest of his ISO is not very appealling.

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: T3

I’m reluctant to overstep Pooky but I like jjh tonally. Less sure on Titus. @Sam, Noraa’s still tilted people ignored her wall.

My gut is liking this slot the least. Kind’ve the opposite feeling that I’ve gotten from Adante.

Noraa made a wall about this in 933.

[Bear HUGS]

retti am i wrong in thinking a t3 vote is criminally terrible

i had this as probably town but a 5 minute skim says never vote ever

UNVOTE:

#1353 is good.

I'm not sure I'm getting the Titus feel now for a lim.
Let's put some votes on Raya. Unless opinions have changed Raya votes had interest but no backing.

I think she could possibly be scum but her being the possible cw to Bell? I don’t know.

Why is Dunn getting voted? Can someone please explain that to me?

[Bear HUGS]

Dunnstral - His mentions of Bell could easily be bussing, his D2 entrance was a bit odd (saying all good town roles are dead, discussing multiball (maybe afraid of too much partner analysis))

Not seeing a real reason to vote for me here

You don't have any better leads?

I do have better leads but a lead is a lead. Why did you say all good town roles are dead? You can't honestly think that's all town has.

That felt more ike a pr soft.

Which alignment though?

I’m still on the fence about Dunn. Noraa is convinced he’s obvtown but Pooky thinks it’s possible he’s scum and I really have no clue rn.

[Bear HUGS]

Dunnstral - His mentions of Bell could easily be bussing, his D2 entrance was a bit odd (saying all good town roles are dead, discussing multiball (maybe afraid of too much partner analysis))

Not seeing a real reason to vote for me here

You don't have any better leads?

I do have better leads but a lead is a lead. Why did you say all good town roles are dead? You can't honestly think that's all town has.

That felt more ike a pr soft.

Which alignment though?

I’m still on the fence about Dunn. Noraa is convinced he’s obvtown but Pooky thinks it’s possible he’s scum and I really have no clue rn.

Why does Noraa think he's obvtown again?

Gutread I guess, she correctly sr him in me v Titus.

The way Andante tries to point at everything and call it bad comes from scum
Many of these points miss context, like saying I'm using self meta when I'm responding to Samantha and that's bad, and saying 887 was not related to solving

So.... I'm thinking that unwnd was indeed scum, and named himself, and then the slot replaced out twice

Maybe Noraa is right?

jjh is more likely to be scum just because he throws things out like 'Titus is town for sure' and nobody really cares, but if something relates to me then multiple people question me

Jjh makes these kinds of statements every game, so that’s actually nai, he sounds tonally like this is his town game.

I just got burned from apathetic town so I am particularly hesitant to actually lynch you dunnstral but it'd be nice if you had more suspicion than that

Still think Sam’s town.

If I go by reads: Rhetti, Esooa, Willow are never scum, Flea and Sam are highly unlikely to be.

So I could start making who could possibly be aligned/unaligned type spec.

If scum, Titus is never scum with either Raya or Dunn. Raya is never scum with Dunn. Dunn is never scum with Titus, Raya, Andante or jjh.

If don’t know if anyone found that helpful or not. I wish a had a confident sr like I did with Bell but that was just really obvious to me.

So, did scum bus Bell? If so, they were probably late on the wagon, because of scum tpr awaiting replacement or were they pushing another wagon to save him?

If we can figure this out that would be awesome.

[Bear HUGS]

This is Pooky.

I don't see anything in Dunn's ISO that would make me townread him.

I tend to SR Dunn even when he's town so I'm probably not the best at reading him.

The below exchange is why I SR JJH:











You can follow along with the rest of the convo.

It feels unnatural to me the way jjh jumped to Bell's defense pre-emptively like that.

Do scum try to protect their scumbuddies like this? I dunno but it feels handwavey.

I can see this as JJH protecting his buddy Bell

[Bear HUGS]

Pooky again,

found this post:



maybe jjh is actually town - this was after the momentum on bell kind of died down and raya was a big counterwagon to bell.


I also do not like Samantha's progression on Bell:

During RVS:



Her Response to me:



I showed the meta and then she did not respond to it.

30m later we get some vote movement:



now she jumps on:


but she leaves quickly after rep out:




quick to jump on Raya counter-wagon...





Rest of Sam's ISO looks fine.

I am unsure on both rn.

[Bear HUGS]

I want to know why Esooa townreads Samantha and how solid this TR is, I think Esooa is pretty locktown on re-read.

[Bear HUGS]

Outside of Andante and jjh do you have any reads?
I can't see your stance on anyone else.

I have Retti, Sam, Willow, yourself, Bear hugs, and Flea as likely town

+1

good list

Why did you say all good town roles are dead? You can't honestly think that's all town has.

Cop died and is a powerful role, even with the list restriction. Town Joat also died. That's a lot of town power. Trying to read into it as if I said something scummy is wild.

Maybe I am just overthinking it but it felt like an odd thing to say and maybe and light attempt at PR fishing

Gutread I guess, she correctly sr him in me v Titus.

Well so far the bear gut reads have proven successful

If scum, Titus is never scum with either Raya or Dunn. Raya is never scum with Dunn. Dunn is never scum with Titus, Raya, Andante or jjh.

Hmm that's a lot of can't be scum with's... UNVOTE:

Think Raya may actually be town now. I think I’m not liking the way Andante is pushing Dunn so hard. @Andante, if Dunn is town, then who else would you be voting?

[Bear HUGS]

VC 2.2

jjh927 (3) - WhemeStar Bear HUGS Esooa
Titus (2) - T3 willow1
PenguinPower (1) - Titus
Dunnstral (1) - Flea The Magician
Raya36 (1) - VFP
T3(1) - Raya36
willow1 (1) - Andante

Not Voting: (5) Dunnstral, PenguinPower, jjh927, Retti, samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-05-07 05:05:29)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

@Andante, why is your vote on Willow here? He was obvtown even before Robert townspewed him.

[Bear HUGS]

VC 1.final

Robert M Hunter (10): willow1, T3, Bear HUGS, Raya36, Bamboozle, Andante, samantha97, Retti, VFP, Robert M Hunter
Retti(0):

Not Voting (the rest):

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

VC 1.5

Bell (5): Esooa, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS, Raya36
Raya36 (4): jjh927, Titus, Retti, Bamboozle
samantha97 (3): VFP, Romance, willow1
Romance (2): Bell, WhemeStar
Retti (1): Flea The Magician,
Titus (1): T3
Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Not Voting (1): samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

I’m thinking that Raya was probably the counterwagon to scum. Interesting if the same people are voting Dunn. Obviously not including Rhetti.

[Bear HUGS]

More people are town than scum

It is far easier to townhunt in the first part of day 1 than it is to actually expect to find scum, then look for scum in the people you have not got in the town pile

Like, you're in my locktown pile already

what for?

Partly this conversation here, partly good timing in putting me in your scumreads just as I was holding myself to account for my failure to post, and partly that you're challenging the VFP wagon

@jjh do you often townlock players for sr you?

[Bear HUGS]

We should be eliminating Andante, Titus, JJH, in roughly that order of preference

VOTE: Andante

I’m in agreement with this list.

I’m thinking T3 might be town and if Dunn is scum here, then we shouldn’t be mindmelding.

dunn is scum that's the read. titus town raya town

Really hate this post, no real attempt to actually try to sort Dunn.

I mean titus could be scum, raya feels like titus is town, and

I could go either way on titus, so I'm not pushing titus, Oh! and willow could be scum

Willow is pretty much for a never elim slot who just happens to be hardpushing Titus.

VOTE: Andante

I’m not voting anywhere but in those 3.

#1438 reads like scum pushing the slot hardpushing their buddy. No one who reads Robert’s push on Willow would logically ever jump to it being svs but I hard tr Willow even before that.

And why does scum!Willow ever kill either Bam/Romance here? Both were hard tr him.

[Bear HUGS]

titus post is something i'd do as scum but titus ain't me. i don't wanna vote there. i don't really want to vote sam or raya either.

i'm actually pretty happy w/ where my vote is atm. classic dilemma of "want to get real discussion by voting someone active but don't want to vote anyone active"

this is a hydra i expected to start strong and instead has 1 post

Why wouldn't you vote me as that would be a way to break out of RVS? If scum would do it, that's a reason as good as any in RVS.

The hydra I understand not posting but it is the weekend.

This is the first exchange that pings me.

Willow is being very tentative, and waffly. Willow says that Titus may be scummy for a reason, but this reason may not apply to Titus, so doesn't want to vote Titus or Sam or Raya (I would wager at least one scum in this group of three, that's how the brain works). The fence-sitting continues with "I want to vote an active player but don't want to vote an active player."

Titus astutely picks up on this too and calls out willow on it. Yes, why wouldn't willow vote Titus, as she stated a very valid reason to do it, especially surrounding the RVS?

I town read Titus here for boldly asking willow to go ahead and vote her. I scum read willow for sounding nervous and scared.

because i don't give a shit about RVS or arbitrary breakouts or VCA lmao

immediately told you why my vote was where it is, why it wasn't on you, and don't care if it's the weekend. one head being absent rn is understandable, all three isn't a crime but i am very happy where i am.

Super touchy and defensive already.

Bear, it's expected your hydra will have many posts. That's not an in depth secret, nor is Romance claiming your volume suggests something about your alignment.

I find it odd you're objecting to Romance but you're quiet on Willow.

VOTE: Bear hydra

Again this is a townie paying close attention.

it's being condescending while actively getting in the way of me trying to do things that is getting you flak from me

Thats productive.
You consider pushing a PL mid way page 2 for activity as 'trying to do things'.
So go over again why I should vote with you? I'm open to voting.

do you think i'm scum shoving a lurker? food for thought

I'm unsure on your motive yet.
But I don't think you believe in your push. Even more so where you expect people to Blindley follow you.

Either town trying to actually get out of RVS or scum trying to look active without doing anything.

If I thought you were scum I'd have voted you by now.

Let's vote sam. Sam is around and I'm not so sure their take on enchant is genuine

VOTE: sam

On page 3, VFP reads as town for his calling out of willow and the careless way they throw their vote around. No concerns whatsoever.

How anyone reading this comes up with svs is beyond me. He didn’t know his fate was sealed when he made these posts and was desperately hoping to get Willow elimed > him.

[Bear HUGS]

lmao am I voted out yet? I know all yall keep voting me, it's like, whatever, but I'm honestly not scum

Alright convince me why you’re town. I just feel like you’re more interested in confibiasing Dunn than trying to sort him and why do you keep pushing Willow?

[Bear HUGS]

penguingpower not posting is annoying but I'd rather just wait for a replacement there

@mod: v/la until thursday. traveling and the internet is spotty.

lmao am I voted out yet? I know all yall keep voting me, it's like, whatever, but I'm honestly not scum

Alright convince me why you’re town. I just feel like you’re more interested in confibiasing Dunn than trying to sort him and

why do you keep pushing Willow?

Why are you not answering this?

1443

Why no comment on this?

[Bear HUGS]

I mean it's well past Thursday

Right. I thought he meant THIS Thursday

@mod, please prod PenguinPower, his v/la ended last Thursday.

I think he’s more likely town because of his unhesitant Bell vote. Scum usually doesn’t vote a buddy that nonchalantly.

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: Bell

Still no bell replacement?

Vote stays

Doesn’t sound svs to me.

[Bear HUGS]

Has Robert made a post since being glad?

If not I’ll hammer rn

Has Robert made a post since being glad?

If not I’ll hammer rn

What would be the point of me posting?

VOTE: RMH

Does Robert try to stop his buddy from hammering him though?

[Bear HUGS]

t3 and wheme are legit just paragons of towniness

I disagree with wheme being paragon of towniness.

I can't see town motivation in his actions. He voted me and called mafia, but didn't do anything to actually push, sitted with vote for a bit and after called other person obvious mafia, voted him... And again did nothing. Now he again voting Raya, and i hardly see explaination for that from him. Again.

He votes "Mafia". But actually doesh't try to catch and lynch them, and doesh't provide any evidence/reason for that.

UNVOTE:

Andante could just be scummy town. I’m going to meta dive Wheme.

[Bear HUGS]

t3 and wheme are legit just paragons of towniness

I disagree with wheme being paragon of towniness.

I can't see town motivation in his actions. He voted me and called mafia, but didn't do anything to actually push, sitted with vote for a bit and after called other person obvious mafia, voted him... And again did nothing. Now he again voting Raya, and i hardly see explaination for that from him. Again.

He votes "Mafia". But actually doesh't try to catch and lynch them, and doesh't provide any evidence/reason for that.

UNVOTE:

Andante could just be scummy town. I’m going to meta dive Wheme.

Metadives are useless on Wheme. :/

[Bear HUGS]

duel: Titus

I'm sorry if this is wrong I didn't realize how little time I had left and I don't want to take a hero shot

I’m having doubts. I think she’s definitely wrong on Dunn and Raya but I wish you would have waited a little longer.

VT no mask

I don’t think she’d claim that as scum. I’m obviously not voting you but unlike Bell, have definite doubts on this.

[Bear HUGS]

During the day the Gladiator can choose someone. Usually done in the same manner a daykill is, they can CHALLENGE <TARGET PLAYER>. All votes are reset.

Only two players are now votable, the Gladiator and their target

. It is almost always one-shot.

yes that doesn't mention the absence of votes

[*]If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

.

[Bear HUGS]

Idk how available I'll be tomorrow so here are (mostly) off the cuff reads if I don't get to post again

Town
bear hugs, willow1, raya36
Town lean
esooa, dunnstral, samantha97, flea the magician
Null
andante, T3, VFP
Scum
whemestar, jjh927, penguinpower(?)


For the Raya read I just think I understand her mindset better after seeing her post more, can't really explain it that well right now.

I buy Esooa's early callout of Bell making her town, don't think she calls out a teammate who is being mostly ignored prior to that.

Flea and andante both drop a level if Titus is scum, if town they look all right.

I just don't think the wagon/reasoning for scumreading Dunn was good, the way it built up was sketchy and I think his posts today have been good.

I looked at jjh again and in the moment his stuff seemed okay but it feels like he's doing the minimum and other people are townier

For whatever points made about penguinpower's bell vote I have a hard time seeing him only making 7 posts and seeming so completely disinterested as town (and I hated how wheme tried to meta defend him earlier in the game using secondhand info that as far as I can tell isn't accurate)

Penguin scum meta is ACTIVE lurking, game contentless posting and/or spamming. The v/la claim makes it nai but the bell vote just looked anti associative, so I don’t know.

[Bear HUGS]

Flea is town.

My last reads remain the same.

Dunn T3 PP
Raya
Willow


Everyone Else

You only have one townread?

Retti, Dunn's posts today have all been deflections, not genuine hunting. You hero shotted Dunn town. No one you scumread was voting Dunn. A lot of people told you I was town. You never interacted with me on your SR of me.

I get I die here but please learn from it.

This post sounds really townie. :/

Idk how available I'll be tomorrow so here are (mostly) off the cuff reads if I don't get to post again

I don't really give a fuck about Penguins Bell vote. Slankers VERY COMMONLY bus, and that's because a mafia slanker doesn't have many ways to get town read besides going after their partners, and as a low poster they're naturally going to be PoE'd so I find they try to distance and such a lot

And I've seen litearlly nothing towny from that slot in any way at all besides the vote so yeah. If there's a vigi just instantly kill that slot tbh

+1

Penguin hasn’t posted anywhere on site since April 29th and he’s mod in the TM game I was in and we’re all still waiting on the scum PT to get released. I sincerely doubt scum!Penguin shirks his mod duties to avoid ellitelling.

Anyway, I think the slot ought to be replaced because that slot continuing to remain inactive is hurting the game.

I’m torn between not really feeling this vote and not wanting to deprive town of possible info.

I’m not thrilled that she only has one player as a tr and while I agree with that read, I think she should have more than one. I’m not thrilled that she has everyone other than her 5 player PoE as “everyone else”.

So I think it’s possible she could still be scum.
Like if any of my extremely confident trs were being duelled, I’d flat out vote no fade and that’s why Titus only having Flea as her sole tr concerns me. Flea is one of those players I’d vote no fade but there should be more trs. Titus having everyone outside of Dunn, T3, PP, Raya and Willow as nulls and not only nulls but the exact same degree of null, concerns me.

[Bear HUGS]

Should we just flip me and then PM roles to Blade Dancer (my mod account) if the Mod doesn't show?

I think that would compromise the game, wouldn’t it?

I was under the impression that Beeboy was a backup mod

“I was under the impression that there were no mods”. FIFY

But yeah seriously, someone should pm both Maria and beeboy.

As for none of Rhetti’s srs voting Dunn, has she never ever seen a scum whiteknight lhf in a game in order to keep them as a misfade later in the game? In fact, I would think scum might be more likely to replicate Krazy in me v Titus and try to pseudo distance. In that game Krazy voted Dunn for like a second before switching.

I'm literally TRing everyone but my 5 possible scumslots Bear.

They aren't nulls.

Alright then, thanks for clarifying that.

Is it too late for Rhetti to duel someone other than you? If Maria hasn’t made it official, is it too late to change it?

I don’t know what to make of T3 but the one post I really liked. If you’re town, jjh probably is as well. Can’t read Wheme. I think you’re wrong on Raya, Dunn and especially Willow though. Noraa is still convinced on Dunn!town and she was also convinced on Dunn!scum in me v you. I actually think his reads in this game seem more nuanced here in than in that game and in Royalty, he was super tunnelly. I disagree with you that he isn’t sorting. Did he even have a readslist in either of those two games? I remember in Royalty, getting him to make reads was like pulling teeth and he only acquiesced under pressure, here he did it with no outside prompting.

[Bear HUGS]

Bullshit. Dunn's reads only came after he was wagoned and his only reads are deflections onto other popular targets except for his partners.

I’m not going to vote because I really think this is TvT now.

This sounds like angry, frustrated town.

I still think it’s possible Dunn could be town but I think his flip would have provided us more info.

I don’t think Raya and Dunn are ever aligned and still hard tr Willow. Therefore regardless of what Dunn is, I think Raya unvoting him was town indicative.

[Bear HUGS]

Can you no lim a gladiator power?

A duel has started between Robert M Hunter and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

VC 1.6

Robert M Hunter (0):
Retti(0):

Not Voting (all):

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

Mod notes: Seeking replacement for Enchant

Not sure if it’s 9 or 10 now but yeah, if she doesn’t get enough votes no one gets elimed today.

[Bear HUGS]

Can you no lim a gladiator power?

A duel has started between Robert M Hunter and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

VC 1.6

Robert M Hunter (0):
Retti(0):

Not Voting (all):

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-04-27 00:50:57)

With 18 players alive, it takes 10 to fade away

Mod notes: Seeking replacement for Enchant

Not sure if it’s 9 or 10 now but yeah, if she doesn’t get enough votes no one gets elimed today.

So, I don’t think voting “no fade” is an option but NOT voting clearly is. Voting isn’t mandatory.

I’m just starting to worry that I may have wrongly sr her because of her bad Bell read and if we die and Titus is actually right, it will be bad for town if we both die.

[Bear HUGS]

[ *]A player is faded when the majority votes the same player. Once the player is faded, the faded and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
[*]

If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

.

@VFP

[Bear HUGS]

Okay thats an option then.

My last game with Titus scum, Titus did seem to be more distant with the game and just didn't give much in responses. Mainly the player that Titus was calling scum, she just never gave a real reason to. Here Titus is arguing scum and giving reasons even when gladiator is in effect.
I would expect Titus to take the lim here and just try not to give any information out at all as scum.

Yeah, scum!Titus never has this much conviction and she contradicts herself. A no elim isn’t bad because this way scum gets one less free miselim.

I think us being nk’d and Titus being elimed is worse for town than whatever possible info we could get. We need her to stay in this game. Rhetti’s a townlock and Titus may solve the game even if we can’t.

[Bear HUGS]

Okay thats an option then.

My last game with Titus scum, Titus did seem to be more distant with the game and just didn't give much in responses. Mainly the player that Titus was calling scum, she just never gave a real reason to. Here Titus is arguing scum and giving reasons even when gladiator is in effect.
I would expect Titus to take the lim here and just try not to give any information out at all as scum.

Yes, I think you should unvote her. There could be 2 - possibly 3 scum - that will pile on so everyone who’s town should unvote/not vote.

I think this was a bad duel :/

Okay, think Wheme is town for this.

[Bear HUGS]

I name myself

What do I win

This is a copout answer.

Hey guys, you know what alignment likes copout answers? That's right, the mafia!

VOTE: unwnd

Subject: Silent Star 3: Royalty

I fee like I should be townreading Gloria by now and I'm not. The Skitter30/Gloria interactions tasted a bit weird.

My town atm is (Isis/Pooky/Ydrasse/Infinity) with a maybe on MT. Everyone else I need more on than I've got.

This is the kind of post we come back to later if you flip scum

Dunn made a very similar post to town!Hopkirk and I think if Andante’s town and I’m starting to lean that way, then she/Enchant may be Hopkirk in this game.

VOTE: Dunn

I know this won’t count but I now not only think Titus is town but after re-reading Dunn ISO is right.

[Bear HUGS]

given that we're on odd numbers w/ an unknown # of vig shots/other night death mechanics I'd rather vote today but am not super opposed to a no elim. reaction was decent.

She has never had a decent reaction to being caught scum. Flea is right, Titus is town here. I just know if we die following town!Titus elim, I will be kicking myself in dead thread.

[Bear HUGS]

A duel has started between Titus and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

VC 2.5

Titus (0):
Retti(0):

Not Voting (all):

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-05-07 05:05:29)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

Don’t vote, this is TvT.

[Bear HUGS]

Dunn probably isn't town. He's been deflecting rather than sorting and that's only after being wagoned.

Dunn T3 PPP Raya.

you know... I did sr dunn earlier... just saw a fun picture and went "pretty picture!!!" Honestly, of your list... I haven't read T3, Penguin has nothing, and I haven't looked at raya too much...


Retti are you dueling someone again?

according to the wiki
> It is almost always one-shot.
and if people are talking about you having an extra shot, you claimed that yesterday, so why did scum leave you alive?

Gladiates in themselves are generally not a pro-town power

See: this situation right now

Gladiator has been town in every single game I’ve seen, with the sole exception of Mastina in RC uPick but she was a DISLOYAL gladiator in that. Plus they duelled Bell and have a super townie readslist.

[Bear HUGS]

What do we do if I live later in the game and there's still suspicion on me?

Pedit: Anti-town doesn't mean scum. We lose VC wagons for two days with only Retti's assurance that something good happens. Retti could be wrong. We don't know because Retti hasn't disclosed but they may have a good reason for not doing so.

I don’t know the answer to that but hopefully town will realize that this is very clearly your town meta. Even this post, I don’t ever see coming from scum!you.

My stance is you’re too valuable a town player to lose here and that supersedes for me any possible info we might possibly get. I think you will figure out this game and if we die, I feel better about it if we don’t follow you. So we just have to hope 8 people don’t vote and just wait for the deadline to expire.

Everything Titus just said

This is a pretty messy situation tbh where optimal play now is unclear
While the traditional play would be to elim Titus here anyway, I don't think I need that flip for my read confidence so my initial tendency is towards not voting

I'd like to think that the gamestate is better with Titus alive than not, but that really depends on other people- particularly those who will live to later in the game

+1

I would vote no fade but since we can’t, the best thing for town is just not to vote since I think Titus is super obvious town now and we avoided giving scum a free miselim.

[Bear HUGS]

Idk I think we have to elim titus

No we don’t, if she doesn’t get 8 votes, we no elim and didn’t you say you wanted to sheep me earlier? Well I’m not voting and letting the deadline expire. We aren’t obligated to vote anything. You said yourself, this wasn’t a good duel right, so just don’t vote.

Titus is town, unfortunately it took me until now to really see it but I do now.

[Bear HUGS]

because your claim is dubious, and we'd only need 1 person saying so anyway

I believe the claim. Why don’t you?

[Bear HUGS]

Noraa here. Have not caught up but I don't understand why Dunn is scummy in any way?
Like why is voting Titus scummy? Right now there is a gladiate on Titus and rhetti. We can ONLY vote those two. Why is it scummy?

If Dunn is seriously scum here, then he figured out how to manipulate his tone to fool me whether on purpose or subconsciously. I dunno which but its unlikely imo. I have a soul TR on him atm.

[Bear HUGS]

I don't think people should claim mask/no mask anymore although VFP is probably town for stepping up in this situation

I'm not opposed to letting the timer run out, I didn't feel great about that target, but I need to ask the mod about my role

why the fuck did you gladiate then?
gladiator isn't a pro town role. if you're town, which im assuming scum didnt gladiate scum day 1, why are even using this role again? It's like such a horrible role for town...

[Bear HUGS]

I just got back to this game and Nancy is complaining that there's a gladiate on two obvtown apparently and I'm like bruh wtf has happened and literally why.

[Bear HUGS]

It is kinda scummy when a lot of us have agreed the duel is probably TvT and we have the option to not vote at all. People still voting anyway could include scum hoping it'll get enough traction to go through anyway if the wagon gets close

at the same time no elim is very anti town because it gives scum a "free kill"

Dunn, I never said you were scum so uh, direct that at Nancy. I don't really care what her or pooky's read on you is because I stand firm on my TR.

And Rhetti, just don't gladiate if ur not certain. It doesn't matter too much tho I do think that no elimination is anti town and we should kill Titus today. Imma consult my other heads but I do think Titus should die today.

[Bear HUGS]

Noraa here. Have not caught up but I don't understand why Dunn is scummy in any way?
Like why is voting Titus scummy? Right now there is a gladiate on Titus and rhetti. We can ONLY vote those two. Why is it scummy?

If Dunn is seriously scum here, then he figured out how to manipulate his tone to fool me whether on purpose or subconsciously. I dunno which but its unlikely imo. I have a soul TR on him atm.

Noraa, I really think you’re wrong here.

[Bear HUGS]

I don't think people should claim mask/no mask anymore although VFP is probably town for stepping up in this situation

I'm not opposed to letting the timer run out, I didn't feel great about that target, but I need to ask the mod about my role

why the fuck did you gladiate then?
gladiator isn't a pro town role. if you're town, which im assuming scum didnt gladiate scum day 1, why are even using this role again? It's like such a horrible role for town...

Nah, we literally won Labrynth due to duckling’s brilliant gladiate on scum!Wisdom, since he was hardpushing town!bg Shoshin and he stopped her miselim.

[Bear HUGS]

I made a rushed decision, I'm sorry

you can blame me tbh tho i am leaning towards elimming still

Don’t beat yourself up so hard @Rhetti but no Willow, I 100% am opposed to Titus elim because I’m not only convinced she’s town now but probably right on at least 2 scum.

The way Dunn is white knighting a pretty much contentless post afk slot, makes me think that if Dunn is scum, Penguin is very likely a buddy.

I think Raya continues to get townier with each post. Her entire reaction to my asking for a no vote, pings town to me.

[Bear HUGS]

[ *]A player is faded when the majority votes the same player. Once the player is faded, the faded and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
[*]

If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

.

@VFP

Everyone read: we aren’t required to fade ANYONE. Both Rhetti and Titus are town. I think the decision is pretty damned obvious..

We can either help scum out by handing them a free miselim or we don’t. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

[Bear HUGS]

I'm fine with voting Titus but if consensus is we should no vote, I don't have qualms with it

If we literally didn’t have a 3rd option, I would agree but thankfully we do.

I was right on Bell and I’m also right on Titus. We aren’t elimming scum today, no matter what. And I’m not going to help them out because Titus is not only town. she’s probably right on at least 2/3 scum (if 3 exist).

That’s why I’m arguing this so hard. Titus is going to solve this game even if we’re not alive to do it.

[Bear HUGS]

It is kinda scummy when a lot of us have agreed the duel is probably TvT and we have the option to not vote at all. People still voting anyway could include scum hoping it'll get enough traction to go through anyway if the wagon gets close

at the same time no elim is very anti town because it gives scum a "free kill"

Dunn, I never said you were scum so uh, direct that at Nancy. I don't really care what her or pooky's read on you is because I stand firm on my TR.

And Rhetti, just don't gladiate if ur not certain. It doesn't matter too much tho I do think that no elimination is anti town and we should kill Titus today. Imma consult my other heads but I do think Titus should die today.

Noraa here. Have not caught up but I don't understand why Dunn is scummy in any way?
Like why is voting Titus scummy? Right now there is a gladiate on Titus and rhetti. We can ONLY vote those two. Why is it scummy?

If Dunn is seriously scum here, then he figured out how to manipulate his tone to fool me whether on purpose or subconsciously. I dunno which but its unlikely imo. I have a soul TR on him atm.

Noraa, I really think you’re wrong here.

This is an annoying way to play as a hydra

I don’t think Noraa understands that we aren’t actually required to fade anyone and you can be annoyed. So freaking what?

[Bear HUGS]

A duel has started between Titus and Retti! They are the only valid votes and have been reset.

I can quote things too

And your point in doing so is?

[Bear HUGS]

It is kinda scummy when a lot of us have agreed the duel is probably TvT and we have the option to not vote at all. People still voting anyway could include scum hoping it'll get enough traction to go through anyway if the wagon gets close

at the same time no elim is very anti town because it gives scum a "free kill"

Dunn, I never said you were scum so uh, direct that at Nancy. I don't really care what her or pooky's read on you is because I stand firm on my TR.

And Rhetti, just don't gladiate if ur not certain. It doesn't matter too much tho I do think that no elimination is anti town and we should kill Titus today. Imma consult my other heads but I do think Titus should die today.

No freaking way. I’m not voting out obvtown who is probably going to win us the game. I don’t mean any disrespect but I am super insistent on this. Fading Titus is a huge mistake.

[Bear HUGS]

[ *]A player is faded when the majority votes the same player. Once the player is faded, the faded and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
[*]

If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

.

@VFP

@Dunn, Maria made this abundantly clear. She literally said if the fade doesn’t happen by deadline. it’s NOT happening. If we didn’t have that option, it would be totally different but Rhetti isn’t in any danger, all we do is not make things easier for scum.

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[ *]A player is faded when the majority votes the same player. Once the player is faded, the faded and the living players may talk until I get back and post the flip.
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If the deadline is reached before the fade has reached, the day will end with

No Fade

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@VFP

@mod, are we required to vote anyone?

I think Maria made it super obvious because otherwise, how would it even be possible for the day to end in a no fade?

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Okay thats an option then.

My last game with Titus scum, Titus did seem to be more distant with the game and just didn't give much in responses. Mainly the player that Titus was calling scum, she just never gave a real reason to. Here Titus is arguing scum and giving reasons even when gladiator is in effect.
I would expect Titus to take the lim here and just try not to give any information out at all as scum.

Yeah, that’s when I knew. In Death Curse, she basically flailed and pretty much did the same thing to Taylor as Robert did to Willow. Scum!Titus never obvtowns under pressure and I’ve played numerous games with her as both alignments. She’s town.

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Flea, VFP, Sam, Rhetti, Raya, jjh all for not voting. Never ever lim in this group. Also Willow but I hope he listens to me.

I think Dunn, Penguin and I think maybe one of T3/Andante is my current solve.

It’s possible Dunn/Andante could possibly be scum distancing.

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Flea, VFP, Sam, Rhetti, Raya, jjh all for not voting. Never ever lim in this group. Also Willow but I hope he listens to me.

I think Dunn, Penguin and I think maybe one of T3/Andante is my current solve.

It’s possible Dunn/Andante could possibly be scum distancing.

Oops forgot Esooa, never lim her either.

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Dunn doesn't feel like they're sincerely pushing game progression, there is a lot of "Yes, but PlayerX" and just shuffling of players.

VOTE: No Yeet

VOTE: No Fade

Don’t know if we can do this instead of just not voting but it’s definitely worth a shot. @mod?

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Bear why is titus obv town?

Have you been reading my posts? She obvtowned after gladiate happened. She calmly accepted her (what she believed to be a forgone conclusion) that she gets elimed and kept pushing her Dunn sr rather than just trying to survive.

Caught Scum!Titus never obvtowns in this situation.

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14 hours left anything you all wanna talk about before the end

What do you think of my solve? I’m going to treat every day I’m alive in this game as my last one.

I think Dunn, Penguin + one of T3/Andante, extremely unlikely outside chance of Wheme. I’m pretty much tr everyone else.

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for some reason I just have always felt penguin was town

it does seem to be a small pool to pick from though

I did too but if Dunn is scum, the way he’s been defending that slot makes me think they’re aligned.

Well, everyone else just seems really townie and those are the slots I’m most concerned with.