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Hmm.In post 2119, Servant Rider wrote:Was planning on doing it at the end. It ended up in a pedit because I'd gotten done writing the last paragraph and previewed and saw a billion posts.
Do you think Beast is busing? Or is there a reason you haven't recently talked about Beast's attitude towards Shielder?-
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If Rider is scum, I think both of his partners are in his scum reads (with maybe the exception of Saber, not sure). I don't really think Rider has much choice (if he is actually scum).
I mean the town reads consist of pretty much universal town reads plus me (which is odd in itself because apparently it's not based on interactions and Rider had problems with me last I checked but uh... that changed, I guess? Even though I'm not really sure why someone who was previously scum-reading me for playing a certain way would change their mind when I haven't really changed the way I've been playing?)-
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Shielder v2's play looks bad for surface-level reasons, yeah.
But I'm struggling to come up with a good reason why she as scum did what she did with her claim unless she thought it would make her seem town for some reason? I don't really know why she felt it necessary as town either, but I can at least theorise it was silly-gambit-to-bait-reactions and see it making some sense. I don't see why scum outright lies about it though. This is why the whole "Shielder lied!!!" angle doesn't convince me in any way. Though someone is free to point out where my thinking is incorrect here if they want.
As far as the rest of Shielder v2's play is concerned, eh. I honestly can't follow a lot of the reads and reasoning but there are still _some_ things I think seemed town about the way Shielder was talking to people. It wouldn't be the first time someone has had completely nonsensical reads for nonsensical reasons and ended up being town so I'm trying to look past that and think about what angle she was trying to push as scum vs what she was trying to do as town, and I see more things that point to the latter.-
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For the sake of it, I'll just link this quote and say I thought this was an example of a town thought process from Shielder.In post 576, Servant Shielder wrote:
this is interesting because i scumread archer and assassin and to some extent moon cancer, so one scum in each bucket of a scums reads? hmmIn post 574, Servant Archer wrote:
I townread you and assassin. I scumread moon cancer and shielder. I do not have much of an opinion on anyone else.In post 559, Servant Alter Ego wrote:What are your reads, currently?
(I am aware that scum can say things like this, but I think most of the time scum don't think like this D1.)
(I am also aware that you could argue it looks like she had knowledge of Archer's alignment. I could theoretically see that being the case but I also tend to think scum try to be less, like... blatant, I guess is the word? Drawing attention to that when she was one of the people in the scum reads just seems pretty bold.)-
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Not every use of hmm is equal and it wasn't because it was at the end of the sentence, it was because he wrote it after a question that implied something without coming to any conclusion about said implication in a way that looked like he was trying to gauge public opinion with committing, if that makes sense. Archer's hmm was just awful.
Shielder's use of hmm looks more like she found something interesting in tandem with her reads. Like, I'd probably hmm too if my scum read did something like that with my other two scum reads.
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Heh. Interesting is a word I'd use too.In post 2209, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer's posts are interesting, original takes. That feel sort of cribbed from other people's thoughts in other games.
I'm reading it from the perspective he knows both of the current wagons are on town but he thinks Shielder's is the one going through today. (I don't think he expected Assassin to hop back on Caster.)-
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I mean, he isn't technically wrong that I don't mind the Shielder wagon going through to prove that I'm right.
My selfish motivations aside, even if I felt confident enough to try to bulldoze through a wagon I'd prefer, the current game state (i.e. people's thoughts about Caster/Shielder) probably wouldn't permit it without a ton of effort and I don't have the time to commit to that atm even if I wanted to.-
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Your question makes no sense, Lancer. There's no difference. Did you somehow miss the conversation I had with Assassin about town indicators in Caster's posts? The one where I gave very specific examples (although made it clear that I'm not going to go through everything).
If you think what I was doing was trying to derail the Shielder wagon then lol. Yeah, I regularly try to derail wagons by posting a single quote and saying I think it's town.-
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I should note, I don't plan in playing like this for the entire game. I'm mostly just trying to get back into a mafia mindset and making sure I haven't completely forgotten how to scum hunt before I start ramming wagons down your throats. I think I'm on the right track. I want to verify that before I start trying to take any sort of command of the game state. Or at least that was the original intention. Now I'm just time-strapped and other than skimming recent pages I'm just doing ISO dives when I have time. (I should get less busy soon but we'll see.)-
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(Oh, and this.)In post 1284, Servant Lancer wrote:Shielder town is a gutread prompted partially by what seems like most of the game scumreading him for not a good reason.-
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There's a third option. I ignore you and don't die.In post 2260, Servant Berserker wrote:Moon Cancer, claim your full action list from last night including results from abilities. Or die.-
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I'll make this simple for you: you tell me what you think you know (my target(s), my ability name(s), etc) and I'll judge whether or not I care enough to clear up whatever misunderstanding you seem to have.
We both know you don't have a guilty on me.
There is quite literally nothing I did last night that would have given you any sort of guilty.-
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I have no PT outside of the notes PT. Not a miller, nothing about my role would give a false positive. Nothing I did last night would have triggered any sort of false positive. I know for a fact that everything I did last night succeeded.
She can go ahead and out whatever she has. Or we can continue playing this game where neither side budges. I don't really mind.-
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Oh, do you think I was bluffing when I said I had zero intention of fighting against my own wagon if I happened to be run up in this game?In post 2329, Servant Berserker wrote:So we can run you up and we'll see if you're really okay being executed instead of claiming your full role and actions list and seeing what happens.
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Look, I know that what I did last night succeeded (as in hit any intended target(s) I intended to hit and gave me the expected outcome).
So yeah, there's no subset of roles I can possibly think of that could have not directly interfered with my action(s) AND given you any kind of guilty.
But go ahead and claim you have information to the contrary if you want.-
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I mean, you quite literally only asked me to claim my night actions last night, which tells me that this actually is the case.In post 2352, Servant Berserker wrote:Maybe my guilty has nothing to do with what you did last night.
And it amuses me because if I had to guess you know who I targeted and the ability name(s), but you don't have any idea what I actually did.
I'm fully aware I could just claim and clear up this mess, but it's more amusing to me to see how far you'll go with this "guilty" and what you'll say about it if my wagon actually does go through.-
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There's no "ultimatum" lol.
She doesn't have a guilty on me, and if I'm right in my guess about what she does actually know, I'm pretty sure I could clear it up just by claiming.
I'm just too stubborn to care enough about the way she's approaching me to give her the satisfaction.
So if the wagon goes through, it goes through. If it doesn't, it doesn't. So be it. *shrug*-
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OK.
Just assume I'm not going to claim anything and be done with this day.
We both know you don't have a guilty. And we both know that you're not going to be humbled by being incorrect on every single read you have in this game (bar Archer, don't remind me you were one of the 13 players that were correct about Archer, please).-
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Technically right, it doesn't count, but if it did, it would count for me more than anyone else. Find another player who called him scum for as long as I did and didn't just pile on to the popular read after everyone else.In post 2382, Servant Avenger wrote:Hey now, archer doesn't count.-
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I mean every single one of your scum reads outside of Archer is incorrect.In post 2389, Servant Berserker wrote:>Incorrect on every read
>Only person actively defending Shielder all Day 1.
Okay my dude. Okay.
No duh you'd get some town reads correct, this game is 10:4, by default even if you got 4 incorrect scum reads, you'd still have 5 correct town reads rofl.-
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Oh, I don't think she's lying that she knows something about what I did last night.In post 2394, Servant Caster wrote:i think the way to handle this is as follows
berserker unvotes at some point so she can cast the hammer vote
berserker claims what her info is in the hammer post
this allows us to validate that she was not lying without giving moon cancer a chance to wiggle out
I just think it's amusing that she thinks she has any kind of "guilty".
Honestly, more than anything else in a mafia game, I would love for this to happen, just to imagine the look on her face if she does a big hammer post outing what she knows, then Cabd immediately closes the thread and posts my flip.-
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Like, literally, all you would have to do if you really had a guilty is say "he's lying" about anything I've said today and voila, you'd be done with this.
I have EXPLICITLY said that I know my action(s) went through, hit the intended target(s), I do not have a PT, no miller aspect of my role, nothing that would give you a guilty of any kind, etc etc.
If you had a guilty, you could just claim any one thing I've said there is untrue (including the fact that NOTHING in my role would give you a guilty - I am explicitly stating this).
We both know you don't have a real guilty.
So tell me why I should care about what you're doing right now.-
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To be fair, this is the first time it's been done to me - it's usually more me berating people for stupid secrecy and gambits they try on other people.In post 2403, Servant Avenger wrote:I mean, how often does this not work out versus how often does it work out?
OK. But this just drives the point I was making home. You don't have a guilty on me, or you'd be able to say with absolute certainty that at least one of the things I've said is untrue.In post 2406, Servant Berserker wrote:NONE OF THOSE CLEAR UP THE PROBLEM, ASSHOLE.
OH WOW
I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT?!?!?!?!?!
THAT THOSE THINGS DON'T CLEAR YOU FROM MY ROLE?!?!?!
AS IF MY ROLE IS UNIQUE?
IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Once again, I am EXPLICITLY saying that nothing about my role, my action(s), my target(s) or my result(s) would give you a false positive.
That is as much as I'm claiming.
Feel free to call me a liar.
Instead of constantly asking me to claim (which I'm not going to do), all you have to do is point out that what I'm saying is false because you somehow got a real guilty on me.
But you won't. Because you can't.
So stop pretending like you do have anything that even remotely comes close to a guilty.-
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It is 100% on you lolIn post 2415, Servant Berserker wrote:And if you turned out to be wrong about that above statement, it's not on me.
Don't pretend like whatever information you have tells you anything about my alignment.
At least in twilight, be brave enough to admit that you have nothing that remotely comes close to a guilty.-
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I mean, my initial reads on Assassin and Shielder were shit lol. I'm only really counting final pre-flip reads. If notes PTs get released, you'll see me giving, for example, my final verdict on Shielder that I stuck with pre-flip. Or see where my Assassin read reversed (and remained) for the master phase. *shrug*In post 2417, Servant Alter Ego wrote:There was your Assassin read?
I've asked Cabd not to spoil me even if I die mostly because I wanna see how accurate I can be for the rest of the game.-
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Let me guess the conversations tomorrow:
"It's not my fault, he should have just claimed and I would have clarified I didn't have a real guilty."
"It's his own fault for playing in a 'scummy' way, it's not my complete inability to read people correctly beyond random chance."
"Good riddance! Even if he was town, it doesn't matter. Let's go back to being shit at this game while calling what he was doing 'bad'."-
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Bersker, you're currently 2/4, but I'm still 3/3 (I'll be generous and not count my own flip for the maths here).
So uh, 50% accuracy vs 100%. I guess you better hope you're right about Caster/Foreigner and I'm way off lol
(I'm not claiming I pushed anything yesterday - it was never my intention to push anything yesterday, just be correct.)-
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Nothing about that was a personal attack. Just a statement of fact.
If you even spent two seconds thinking about it, you'd realise how obvious it is, given Berserker's insistence that I claim, even though I already said nothing about my role would give her a guilty.
Which should tell you she doesn't really have a guilty.
If you don't understand this and can't reason your way to this conclusion, you're probably not well-equipped for a game like this.-
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I like being correct and I dislike seeing incorrect lines of reasoning thrown around. That about sums me up as a mafia player. It's nothing to do with how people are reading me so much as why.In post 2435, Servant Avenger wrote:You said you don't care about who reads you as what.
But this is contradicted by your consistency and being very upfront.-
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Berserker, I really don't care what your role is.
At best you're making some sort of assumption about something related to a night action last night. That could be anything. You could have a similar ability to my own.
I am pretty sure you're town and am 100% certain you have absolutely nothing that tells you anything about my alignment.
I do think you're horribly misguided in your assumptions. I don't care to clarify the matter.-
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Isn't that why everyone plays mafia? Other than having something amusing to spend your free time on. If you're just playing for the W/L, you're doing it wrong.In post 2445, Servant Avenger wrote:I play mafia to get to know and learn from people and because I have a minor obsession with discerning the truth.
I'm stepping lightly here.