feeling's the same, toots
VOTE: Starbuck
feeling's the same, toots
radiation sicknessIn post 63, Albert B. Rampage wrote:what made your name blue?
i really like this post. a lot.In post 203, Hoopla wrote:one of the lamentable things about intuition is converting those subconscious rumblings into words. here's an attempt:In post 197, Morning Tweet wrote:don't know how to respond to this sort of criticism. Is there something that seems insincere about it? Sure i couuuld be playing a gimmick so i don't have to pretend to scumhunt or so i can "avoid scrutiny", but also i could just as easily try to fake a bunch of reads and put on my towniest face if i were scum
is there a specific reason you think that's what's happening here?
pedit: your intutition is off then !
opening games tend to fragment into themes - jokers/questionnairers/wagoners etc. alliance crafting/cuteness riffing seemed like the dominant theme on page 1. i expect that scum upon observing the main narrative, tend to play along with it, as its the safest entry into the game. the continued adherence to the established running joke being an exercise in avoidance. a shield, if you will.
why dont you like the GC votesIn post 276, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.
Unvote, Vote iamausername
i'll have you know some wallpaper is fucking beautifulIn post 324, VP Baltar wrote:We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!In post 321, Llamarble wrote:Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.
I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either
weren't most of hoopla's votes part of RVS though? and not actually a real honest to god wagon with a push behind it?In post 335, Kmd4390 wrote:They feel like a wagon for the sake of a wagon. Almost every vote felt random. Hoopla had four votes which made her the lead wagon then all of the sudden starts selling green crayons as THE wagon that everyone needs to be on and says there's town points in it for everyone who jumps on then it just becomes a thing. Puppy jumps on. You jump on. Agar jumps on and now there's four votes and I have no idea why. Every one of those votes rubbed me the wrong way. While I seriously doubt that's a wagon of four scum, I'd be absolutely shocked if it wasn't at least 1-2, especially involving hoopla who I'd otherwise been townreading. Even llamarble didn't add anything when he voted. So five votes and zero stated reasons.In post 289, xRECKONERx wrote:why dont you like the GC votesIn post 276, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.
Unvote, Vote iamausername
Sorry, which policy push from Blair? The game is a bit of a haze.
Ah I see. I don't think it was policy, I saw it as a pressure vote?In post 390, Starbuck wrote:The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.
bad look famIn post 456, Starbuck wrote:SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY TELL. THANK GOD.In post 455, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.
i skimmed it all but i really dont recall anything fun or exciting other than the starbuck wagon happening and me wanting to ignore it for nowIn post 501, AGar wrote:Das all you got from your last post to here?In post 500, xRECKONERx wrote:bad look famIn post 456, Starbuck wrote:SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY TELL. THANK GOD.In post 455, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.
i actually want to comment on this bc i havent really given it attentionIn post 532, Green Crayons wrote:I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the starbuck/blair dispute, and then separately your thoughts about VP Baltar votes (both the voters and the votee).In post 516, Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm having a hard time finding anything to focus on in this game. Can someone offer me some direction in terms of post to read that are especially scummy (inb4 this post). I want to contribute but every time I start reading my eyes cross and I lose consciousness. I just don't even really know where to start
(This is the homework I've given myself, but I haven't done it yet.)
well, for whatever it's worth, i'm not living long in this game because scum know something specific about me.In post 534, Llamarble wrote:Hoopla and Reck are very difficult to lynch as either alignment.
activity overview, bottom corner of the pageIn post 543, Albert B. Rampage wrote:How do I sort the activity in this game by player? Didn't there used to be a report?
hmm okay, fair.In post 545, Blair wrote:I've already answered this.In post 539, xRECKONERx wrote:the main rub is whether blair is righteously angry as town and thinks she has caught scumBuck (which, @Blair, i'd love to hear more about what you think SB's scum motivations are)
I don't believe Starbuck's plan was to lynch me. I believe Starbuck plucked something out of context that she felt she could plausibly scumread to push a vanity wagon.
She could do that as town, I guess, but I sort of assumed a higher level of play in this game. The thought process behind it for me is that if you are genuinely scumhunting, you would take the time to read my actual IAAU vote post before voting for me based on an easily corrected misinterpretation.
I wasn't supplying a grand, phase-long conspiratorial motive for it - just that she was trying to jump into the thread and look like she was genuinely scumhunting without actually exerting the effort.
Yeah I'm with Auro on this honestly. But I'm also a lazy fucko and don't scroll up.In post 576, Auro wrote:I disagree. Voting for someone on policy is not unbelievable at all. If thereIn post 574, Blair wrote:But I think most townies who believe "She appears to be voting for IAAU on policy" would also think "Let's check her original reason for voting."
To not do so suggests a real lack of interest in whether or not your argument has merit.wassomething that didn't feel right about it, sure, someone would investigate.
These "lurker policy pushes" happen all the time from either alignment. I don't think most townies would double check. On the contrary, I'm sure that's pretty rare for town.
that respect has been misplaced for about 5-6 years budIn post 589, Llamarble wrote:I have a lot of respect for Reck as a scumhunter and as a scum, so my default guess is Reck catches UT, UT might miss Reck.
In post 610, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I have always been a better player than you at your prime, don't be jealous
ok legit before you quoted this i was going to call it out bc honestly CLAP has been pinging me as weird for a hot minute now and i havent been able to put my thumb on it
this is some tea thoIn post 807, AGar wrote:Do you have a mute button?In post 805, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The 2 lynches I helped engineer are Auro and VP Baltar, sir. Either way this goes, I am the driving force in this game.In post 803, AGar wrote:I don't like that the wagon is rooted in ABR's desire to look like he's the one in charge of the town and the rah-rah bullshit that follows and IAAUN's straight desire to counter the Auro wagon.
Does your pointless ego ever run out of battery?
this is actually maybe your only great post so far this game because breaking it down into who scum would feel comfortable going after makes a lot of senseIn post 845, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's easy to be reasonable. You don't have people like AGar up your ass. You appease everyone. People feel bad voting you out.
What I'm interested in, is what do you believe that no one else believes? If you stand alone, what do you stand for?
If I'm scum, the way I would look at this game is who do I have to lynch and NK to achieve my win condition?
Hard to lynch: Albert B. Rampage, Untrod Tripod, farside22, Llamarble, Hoopla, Reck, Morning Tweet, Auro, VP Baltar
Would have difficulty climbing out of pressure: Blair, Green Crayons, Porkens
Would self-destruct under pressure: iamausername, Kmd4390, Starbuck, AGar, CantLynchAPuppy
I can't be lynched day 1 if I'm invested, I'm too strong and aggressive; Reck has a similar playstyle. I look around, and there's other really tough lynches for scum.
MT, Farside, and Blair tend to obvtown over time and easily become unlynchable.
Scum basically have 3 strategies they can use:
1) Going for low hanging fruit. Short term gain, safe option.
2) Go for the middle-of-the-road players to keep the easy mislynches for deeper into the game when they really need it.
3) If they feel extremely confident in their position, they can tunnel on the hard to lynch players while town runs up townies, stay out of the action, and only join the mislynch deep into the game if they have to save a buddy or can take out a threat to them.
I will now explain my counter-strategies. I think that going for an easy mislynch today is a waste. This lines me up in parallel with scum's 2nd and 3rd strategies.
I need the usual ingredients to best cook for you my game-winning solve: pressure, vote consolidation, and danger of reaching an early lynch.
If we run up a few hard to lynch players and gain precious information, we can draw out enough connections to set us up for successful subsequent days.
starbuck was never scummy and is not currently townie from my pov. mostly null. has points on both sides. ive never said she was scum/town either so im not really sure where this came fromIn post 895, Porkens wrote:RECKONER, When did Starbuck go from scummy to towny for you?
not exactly agreeing on the order but i think that's a solid poolIn post 933, Llamarble wrote:I'm fairly convinced that if we pick not Baltar / Auro it should be one of MT UT IAAU CLAP in approximately that order of preference.
Blair what do you think of MT?
at the risk of feeling like im using meta, my experience with you as a player makes me believe that you would lackadaisically hammer and feign disinterest/accident/not paying attention as scumIn post 1349, Porkens wrote:Pod, I dig all of that, but that "big play" never pays off in any universe. I'm not trying to be difficult, just say in your own words, IF IM TOWN, what was I doing and why, just as I've stated it? You don't have to believe it, just articulate it, please, so I know I've made myself understood.
counterpoint:In post 1411, CantHateAPuppy wrote:In post 1406, Green Crayons wrote:whatIn post 1400, CantHateAPuppy wrote:it should be obvious that any investigative roles should be on pork/starbuck tonightif starbuck is scum getting two mislynches in, it'd be nice to know tomorrow instead of waiting through two mislynches. (though i hope farside just flips scum)
for the first point, yes, it would have looked more town to shut up. you claiming now abr lynch was "impossible" is hindsight. you know sometimes, scum make plays and they don't work out. that's the beauty of calling people out for shady behavior?In post 1455, Porkens wrote:In your view I fought against the leading wagon, trying to get ABR lynched, which was an impossibility, and quickhammered because I was counting on the wifom to look town. Wouldnt it have looked more town to just keep my fucking mouth shut when I was townread?
As for self meta, can you say with a straight face that you read it with any attention? I explained in detail my thought process and my emotional state. That is not self meta. I talked about my meta but I was not saying at any point “this is what I always do let me get away with it”. I y’all you step by step through why I did what I did. Read it carefully and tell me you think I could make that up.
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most of your points fall into "too scummy to be scum" soIn post 1574, Morning Tweet wrote:i go out of my way to not say this as scum sometimes because i know it inevitably gets brought up at least once per game. whereas it's just a normal part of my vocabulary i wouldnt think about as townIn post 1572, xRECKONERx wrote:I KNOW THIS ISN'T ACTUALLY A TELL but more than once CLAP has started posts with "to be honest" which i still believe may be a subliminal scum thing but don't weigh that really bc it's a dumb theory im convinced to prove one day
that's not intended as a debunk to your case i just had to say it
I think your points about a lot of Puppys early game being substanceless are fair enough. I can confirm soft defending Auro doesn't make one scum by default -- it seems to be a trend among the newer players actually doesnt it
the point about puppy knowing there are 4 scum since he said "2/4 in this group are scum" seems like a stretch to me. I have been assuming there were 4 scum all game anyway. Although i didn't really consider 3p
And the swap to ABR almost looks good to me. kinda. Probably in a WIFOMy way i guess -- it seems like a bad move to do as scum, something that is so blatantly obviously going to get pointed out later in the game (even had Auro not been lynched that day). It felt like Auro was going to die eventually, going out of your way to try and save him in a really obvious manner is just terrible
I think your point about Puppy wanting everyone to know he knew VP was always town is actually a really good one. It seemed unnecessary to point out that VP is town (1331), it seemed pretty obvious by that point, he could potentially have been trying to highlight he knew it all along. I still could explain this by town!Puppy possibly not realizing we'd all be on the same page there, but it is suspicious for sure
i really do not think Puppy was trying to bait us into wasting investigatives in 1400. That just seems like a terrible idea as scum, if he'd have thought twice (which i'd think he'd do as scum), he could have easily thought better of that request. rather it feels like town making a mistake to me (since he described it as so obvious)