Baton Pass [Game Over!]

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VOTE: Oversoul
HEAL: Oversoul
HURT: Sakura

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how do you think scum approach this setup?

Depends how strong scum is. Usually I don't see them going for the first grab at the baton and they'll probably just get enough town cred to get the baton passed to them. If it's deep wolf who's extremely experienced, they'll probably try to go for baton.

A follow up to your last sentence - who wouldn't go the baton as scum?

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People I will never support for first round baton:
RC hydra
Ankamius hydra
Nacho
Wisdom

People I will support for baton:
Myself
Shoshin

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Hey OS did you actually roll town this time?

I did thank goddess.

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My town meta vs scum meta is painfully obvious and I will only support people who will become blatantly obvtown. Shoshin has basically the same meta style differences as me so she is really the only other one who I would support

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My town meta vs scum meta is painfully obvious and I will only support people who will become blatantly obvtown. Shoshin has basically the same meta style differences as me so she is really the only other one who I would support

Enter can become blatantly obvtown.

Nancy can too unless you suspect RC will be writing her posts for her.

I am not super familiar with either of those players or their meta. I will take your word for it, but by virtue of their hydra partners I am not sure I am willing to entertain that for the first day.

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how do you think scum approach this setup?

Depends how strong scum is. Usually I don't see them going for the first grab at the baton and they'll probably just get enough town cred to get the baton passed to them. If it's deep wolf who's extremely experienced, they'll probably try to go for baton.

A follow up to your last sentence - who wouldn't go the baton as scum?

Weaker scum players

In this game with this playerlist who would you describe as weak scum players

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someone said magical girls would be a town stomp

The site as a whole benefited from that game for this quality meme

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Why is every single game onsite about people with 2 games of meta thinking they're pro at reading each other now

Dont make me be grumprir this game I dont want to

Who are you directing these old man rants at?

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If Oh doesn’t make their avatar Professor Oak saying “Oh?” in Pokémon Snap I will never townread them.

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PMysterious and possibly others.

And possibly others...?

???

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Gay Dance is now my strongest scum read. AMA.

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CC, read on Gay Dance?

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Well yes, but i rather just BP my strongest townread than BP someone because they carry a certain name.

In theory you should BP the most likely NK, taking both reads and reputation into account.

That’s almost impossible to know before any kills have happened?

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Nancy before you go, any reads?

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VOTE: Celestial

This is uber weird

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I like Shoshin's opening as well, don't think it's incredibly likely for scum to start a tilt on Wisdom for the reasons that she has so far.

I don’t think scum!Shoshin votes us here without pressure. I’ve played with town/scum and SK!Shoshin. RC usually catches scum!Shoshin, so it probably wouldn’t be in her interest to vote us here, unless town.

Disagree with this logic.

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As far as setup thoughts go:

People I will never support for first round baton:
RC hydra
Ankamius hydra
Nacho
Wisdom

People I will support for baton:
Myself
Shoshin

Your approach here for the first baton holder seems to be that you're looking for "someone I am 100% confident is town" as opposed to "greatest threat to scum", which is backwards.

Chances are there will be a number of firm townreads that are correct (there usually are), but the person you want to preserve for the next day phase are the people who will make the greatest positive impact.

Sakura, why did you agree with this list? Why is it such a big deal if one of those players were bulletproof N1?

Disagree with this logic and it’s interpretation.

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To be clear, I prefer myself for baton over RC. I just figured nobody would want to protect me over RC so I voted Celestial.

Why did you assume that?

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Nancy's town
VOTE: CC

RC has a reputation for being killed on N1.

I don't.

Sakura, Shoshin are my top tr.

If the baton doesn’t get passed to them, you all are gamethrowing.

I guess hydraing with RC is rubbing off.

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This caught my eye:

i just realized bp can also mean baton pass in addition to bulletproof

when i said and read bp before i was talking about bulletproof

And then this:

hm
all my first thoughts were players already in the game
I have one more thought but we'll see

I think it's best to treat baton mechanic as two extra lynches.

isnt it already two extra lynches
or do you mean decide the two people now, then just baton everyone else

There's also the stuff Yuk pointed to earlier, which wasn't scummy alone but definitely fit a scum Wisdom narrative.

could you explain what scum motivation i have in those..?

Oh wow maybe Shoshone was right

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If RC scumreads me this game pretty sure it means his hydra is scum

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If RC scumreads me this game pretty sure it means his hydra is scum

RC can’t be wrong?

Correct. He can’t be wrong about me because hes been right about me every other time. He would be wrong if he scum reads me.

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IIRC oversoul was almost universally townread prior to him replacing out in Starry Night

This is factually incorrect by the way

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Oversoul can you please explain which parts you disagree with and why

The last time scumShoshin tried to fight townRC it did not go well for her. I think the general scum strategy used to deal with problematic loud town voices is to placate them. Part of placating them is "correctly" town read them. I could see scum Shoshin do that. Since I made the post disagreeing with the logic, townShoshin has grown on me.

it’s interpretation.

Why did you create that list?

The two lists are people that I think are beneficial to town if town and received the BP. I just separated that list into two different insurance categories. The first list is a list of people that would destroy the town if scum and widely townread. The second list is if those people are wrongly town read as scum, the town would not get destroyed.

If I wanted to include people who I think are obvtown I would have included Sakura.

People I will never support for first round baton:
RC hydra
Ankamius hydra
Nacho
Wisdom

People I will support for baton:
Myself
Shoshin

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I swear this site makes my grammar and spelling worse.

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I don't mind you being protected first, but I would like it to be because people legitimately think you're town and not some overall meta argument.

If that's true, why aren't you voting for them?

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Yukz, what is your read on Cici?

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OkaPoka
Dunnstral
Firebringer
MariaR
Alisae
Kagami
popsofctown
Creature
Shiro

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I think Yukz is one of the above players.

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Don't read "I think you should be protected first," read "If you're protected first because people are legitimately town reading you, that's ok with me. I'm not opposed to it."

TBH I'm not really sure how you can read it the former way anyways?

This implies you townread the Cici hydra, right?

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I don't understand where you get the idea that I'm townreading CiCi?

-E

I don't see how you can be ok with town giving Cici the BP ability if you're not town reading Cici in the first place. Even at null, I don't think

I

would be ok with town giving Cici the BP ability.

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RC have you actually ever been lynched?

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VOTE: Something_Smart

I think this is a very poor choice for first baton. No offense to SS but I doubt scum kill him.

I'm pretty sure it is because Ceph is scum, but that's just me

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VOTE: Celestial

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Scum Ceph is a scary thought.

You should probably start thinking about it

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Guys

What if


We give someone BP

and then kill them anyway

Yay? Nay?

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I'm thinking

{Goodies, Wisdom, Ceph, PMysterious}

Will this be a Scummie or a Crummie

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Why are you scumreading Ceph, Oversoul? He feels town to me.

I don't like how Ceph began the day. He was commenting a lot on playstyle, mechanics, and mafia in general. I felt like that was not conducive to developing reads if he cared about them.

I also find it odd that people did not initially vote for themselves. Ceph did that and so did Gay Dance which is what pinged me about them, but it seems like a lot of people did that oddly enough.

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Something_Smart not having made a vote for someone is incredibly weird given my playing history with him. I would have expected him to self-nom. Surprised that he did not.

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I'm thinking

{Goodies, Wisdom, Ceph, PMysterious}

Will this be a Scummie or a Crummie

where gameplay

I think he's town. Why do you think he is scum?

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loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

here we go

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Oh also

Why were we talking about "S_S hasn't voted anyone yet"

When this game hasn't even been 24 hours long?

Because the only people who haven't voted someone are two people who haven't been here and SS who has been here?

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I find it so interesting that players like RC and ceph are so quick to the “you’re being mean to me” line when nothing mean was even said it was just disagreement.

Anyway, if Cephrir is scum I think Gay dance has a good chance of flipping scum too.

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Also I don’t get the “we need to wait to baton until we decide the two kills”

Doesn’t it not matter? Someone can just hold the baton?

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Once a Baton Holder has been decided upon by majority vote (or plurality, if no majority is reached by deadline), all discussion ceases.

oh lol i missed this

Same. I wonder what NSG would do if people decided to talk?

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Then how would people choose batons? PMs? Seems clunky.

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I find Shoshin scummy for a similar reason I find Gay Dance scummy. I did not like how they only self voted after people started saying they were town.

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The Baton Holder will then private message me "

Pass: X

" to another player of their choosing.

It's a little bit clunky but presumably she wouldn't have done this if she didn't check her PM's frequently.

I should read mechanics

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SS do you have a single townread

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I find Shoshin scummy for a similar reason I find Gay Dance scummy. I did not like how they only self voted after people started saying they were town.

dont think thats scummy
its pointless to vote yourself if other people dont vote you ie have a real chance to get batoned

I don’t think it’s pointless to do. Discussion has to start somewhere. I immediately self voted and several people agreed, so that defeats your argument entirely.

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Like Shoshin’s unvote isn’t bad in a vacuum it’s the fact that she votes herself after earlier stating she’s not worth it to BP. The logic she uses to justify the vote is contradictory in my opinion.

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gif without even looking im positive rc hasnt read anyone 100% correctly

Not that this matters but RC has a 100% read rate on me. That’s why if he calls me scum this game, then he’s scum.

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Wisdom what are your reads on Cici and Shoshin?

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Anyway, now that I had my fun with lollogic, I'll talk about reads now.

There were actually few things that pinged me re: Shoshin.

1. She showed confidence on reading RC and then, well, just assumed that RC is town this game. Last time I played with town her she was going all out trying to continuously sort RC. This plus voting CC for protection looks like it could be trying to buddy up to avoid conflict with RC. Because RC tends to bite less if you don't call him scum ya know?

2. The timing on her vote change.
Now not too long before her switch, RC posted things that could possibly indicate that he was not townreading Shoshin.

I think that Shoshin is 100% not going to die N1.

Shoshin definitely shouldn’t die but statistically, we’re still the most likely to get shot.

I suppose that I could be doing both but I'm not doing both because

I have a specific scumread in mind and I don't feel like pursuing other people until I spend more time on them.

Now I don't know if RC actually meant Shoshin here, but I think it is very plausible that someone as self-conscious as Shoshin would definitely pick them up as a red flag.
Scum-Shoshin would now want RC slot dead, hence moving her vote away from RC.
Like, the timing is just way too perfect for it to be coincidence.

Don’t these two points contradict one another?

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Gay Dance, how familiar are you with Shoshin as either alignment?

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People are approaching this game very differently than how I thought they would. Maybe I’m the not normal one. :thonk:

Out

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VOTE: Shoshin

People scumleaning me literally have no idea to read me. Let me teach you.

Is Oversoul lurking?
If yes, scum.
If no, town.

This concludes our lesson.

Shoshin is conftown in my eyes.

Also Shoshin, congratulations on Peace Corps! That’s amazing.
I applied but I did not get in

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Sakura, how confident are you in your Nancy read?

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I think giving the baton to Shoshin is a joke except it's not at all a funny one.

Why? She has just as high a town winrate as you and the downsides are significantly less.

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Cici you get three kills before night, pragmatically you should not be super upset if you don’t get baton.

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Shoshin is not a reasonable baton today, I think that's pretty obvious.

I think giving the baton to Shoshin is a joke except it's not at all a funny one.

Why? She has just as high a town winrate as you and the downsides are significantly less.

1) her town winrate is a good bit lower than mine
2) the question isn't that, the question is about is she town and is she likely to get killed and I think she's never a nightkill and i'm not sure if she's town.

Cici you get three kills before night, pragmatically you should not be super upset if you don’t get baton.

I find the idea of Shoshin specifically getting it somewhat offensive to my sensibilities and I'd rather it go to Nacho if it's not going to me.

Shoshin is not a reasonable baton today, I think that's pretty obvious.

Why...?

RC, why don’t you think Shoshin is town at this juncture?

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Shoshin scum definitely does not post the ultimatum that she did. Plus she is very much playing to her town meta of not lurking. NSG is a player with the same type of meta. Transparently scum by activity alone.

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Why...?

who the hell would nightkill that slot?

I don’t know. Who are you voting for currently?

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how do u guys have Oversoul as a town-read? I don't get you people.

You’re either scum or just bad for this comment. Probably scum by your early game I’d wager.

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Why...?

who the hell would nightkill that slot?

I don’t know. Who are you voting for currently?

Nobody.

how do u guys have Oversoul as a town-read? I don't get you people.

You’re either scum or just bad for this comment. Probably scum by your early game I’d wager.

I agree with it, so stick me in your scumpile too.

I see you’ve been reading.

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how do u guys have Oversoul as a town-read? I don't get you people.

You’re either scum or just bad for this comment. Probably scum by your early game I’d wager.

no i just think ur suggestions aren't good and expect more

I’m often the contrarian/black sheep in games.

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Shoshin scum definitely does not post the ultimatum that she did. Plus she is very much playing to her town meta of not lurking. NSG is a player with the same type of meta. Transparently scum by activity alone.

Shoshin was very active in BoP

I have no idea what BoP is but I’m going to assume that she was scum based on your comment.

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nacho what are your thoughts on wisdom as the second baton pass kill?

Who is the first baton kill?

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nacho what are your thoughts on wisdom as the second baton pass kill?

Who is the first baton kill?

gameplay605

Why not Pmysterious?

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Or Cephrir?

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The first townie ish post that Cephrir has made

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I never thought I’d see it. Such a fabled legend

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Cici what happened to your Cephrir read?

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Cici what happened to your Cephrir read?

I'm still scumreading Cephrir. I'm advocating for lynching multiple people that he has soft defended and using that as a clue as to his alignment.

Why not just go after Ceph himself?

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Cici what happened to your Cephrir read?

I'm still scumreading Cephrir. I'm advocating for lynching multiple people that he has soft defended and using that as a clue as to his alignment.

Why not just go after Ceph himself?

Because I think this lynch order gives town the win before endgame more of the time.

Cephrir is not an endgaming threat.

Could you break down the thought process behind this. I’m interested from an epistemological standpoint.

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VOTE: Celestial

I’m ready for this to go to lynching phase. I will periodically check until that phase has been reached. Peace

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FTR I'm town reading CC and I was town reading CC at the time of that post.

At the time of what post

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its not lynching phase, remember? locked thread until the two deaths @oversoul

I do and I think I have enough townreads that I can make a good baton pass choice.

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but we're doing the baton lynches thing so you dont actually make a baton pass choice

Oh we are doing that dumb thing? I don’t think it really matters personally. If we do the baton Lynch agreement then my townreads don’t matter and people like Cici, Nacho, and GDGW are going to dictate the whole thing and I don’t really need to play anymore. I made myself obvtown so there’s really no need for me to check back in until we get to third Lynch anyway.

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If my vote isn’t going to be

my

vote I disagree.

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but we're doing the baton lynches thing so you dont actually make a baton pass choice

Oh we are doing that dumb thing? I don’t think it really matters personally. If we do the baton Lynch agreement then my townreads don’t matter and people like Cici, Nacho, and GDGW are going to dictate the whole thing and I don’t really need to play anymore. I made myself obvtown so there’s really no need for me to check back in until we get to third Lynch anyway.

if you don't attempt to form scumreads and convince other people of them then you're right no one's going to listen to you

No one was listening to them in the first place. So I’m gonna let the tryhards do their (your?) thing. I’ve helped them narrow the pool by becoming obvtown so they have less to PoE and I think that’s all I really actually needed to do in a playerlist like this now that I think about it.

I don’t know why I thought I needed to try to outgun the tryhards but I’m realizing I don’t so it’s win/win.

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I mean, does anyone have anyone to put forward other than Wisdom?

Cephrir.
Dannflorr.
Something Smart.
Pmysterious.

Cephrir or Dannflorr being the optimal second.

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Wasn’t ignoring him. At that time I thought he was town. Less sure of that now not that it really matters.

PM because of his 4th post particularly (he only had 4 posts at the time but I still think that’s a scummy post)
Ceph because he hasn’t been trying to gel with town and has been actively impeding others from gel-ing

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Lol gameplay just scunclaimed if that was hammer?

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So we can agree on flipping gameplay then right?

what are you trying to accomplish with this line of questioning?

getting him to like me psychologically cuz he is going to say yes u fucking idiot yukyukz read my posts

ceph ur scum cuz ur whiny and whined while doing nothing and complained about people doing something

What he said ^

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Ceph because he hasn’t been trying to gel with town

"I want to lynch cephrir because he is town"

There’s also your pooptastic OMGUS on me earlier this afternoon, but I’d rather stick to the scum meta that coincides with your Chandra game that just finished. Shrug

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I'm sorry you both want me out of the game because you dislike my personality lol

It’s not disliking your personality. It’s that trying to destroy cohesion is scummy and exactly the type of thing scum needs to do in a game with this playerlist

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I agree with Nacho

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I think the only way to put a stop to RC’s madness is if he wins the Paragon scummy.

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Ceph can be town now I think.

Step right up Dannflorr!

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I think the only way to put a stop to RC’s madness is if he wins the Paragon scummy.

regardless of my consistent competence people will simply refuse to give it to me because of who I am and I'm at peace with that.
I think the winners have absolutely deserved it over me in the years I've gotten finalist regardless. I have issues with Elli win but that's kind of more a philosophical thing.

I said it in jest because it seems like whoever wins Paragon leaves the site after winning it lmao
(I don’t actually want you to leave the site, I think you’re a fascinating player from an anthropological view)

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I don't want to be a fascinating player from an anthropological point of view I just want to be able to play a game without being policy scumread or having a lengthy debate as to exactly what the quality level of my play is.

But that’s what makes you fascinating

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1259 was very wrong and showed he isn’t reading the game

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I could do SS/Gameplay

I think it’s really unnatural he hasn’t voted

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I could do SS/Gameplay

I think it’s really unnatural he hasn’t voted

Sample size one?

Sample size it’s weird

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I'd rather kill Oh than either of Dann or Yuk, just to put that out there.

That’s a hot take

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I will not deviate, Yukz.

@Oh/Sakura, why are you choosing Nacho over Cici?

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NSG, what happens if someone who was given the baton does not choose another player?

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What part was wrong

UNVOTE:

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I feel like that doesn’t make sense. I feel like people scumreading Shoshin are sticking their heads in the sand about the real implications of that ultimatum post.

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Sand is awful. Too much chafing.

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Who is currently scum reading Cici?

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Shoshin, I feel like Wisdom would be fighting his Lynch harder as scum instead of almost just keeping over like he is now..

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Who is currently scum reading Cici?

just cephrir

Why are we townreading him again

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can we like not lynch Wisdom today?

im calling a united nations meeting

Sorry, but you’re not on the Security Council so your voice doesn’t matter :/

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I’m a little sad I wasn’t around to hammer Cici but their play surrounding the hammer has erased all doubts about Cici being town.

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Shoshin, I feel like Wisdom would be fighting his Lynch harder as scum instead of almost just keeping over like he is now..

That's a fair point. He seems to have given up, which isn't typical of scum him -- is that something you've seen him do as town?

I don’t think so. Wisdom from what I remember was very much like how RC is now. A lot of (mostly well founded) bravado

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Posts like 2350 and 2356 are like sooooo <_____>

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Posts like 2350 and 2356 are like sooooo <_____>

i literally have no idea what is possibly objectionable about them.

if you're town you are confbiasing on me

There’s nothing objectionable about it. My comment was more a comment about your play style being the issue. I can’t tell if it’s purposeful or if you’re just oblivious to the friction you’re causing with comments like the ones I quoted.

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Shoshin, I advise you stop talking about the moderation or other moderators communicating to you as this will only make it more likely your slot is modkilled. I would prefer if you do not get modkilled.

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Cici, why do you need flips to ascertain my alignment?

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I think I prefer GP/Wisdom over GP/SS

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What about...
an Oh flip?

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do i have to baton to oversoul?

You gonna get out of your tunnel or at least justify your shitty read or nah?

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I’m interested in why people are specifically voting Nacho over Cici?

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I’m interested in why people are specifically voting Nacho over Cici?

me and nacho's scumreads are generally similar
i think the difference is that i have several correct townreads that aren't overlapping and that's why they want me dead, to free those slots up as mislynches later.

Yeah the Nacho camp is like all people disagreeing with you. I find that very interesting

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do i have to baton to oversoul?

You gonna get out of your tunnel or at least justify your shitty read or nah?

everyone else thinks ur town so meh

That doesn’t matter. You can either get out of your tunnel or justify your shitty read.

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Right now, awesome people are voting Nacho, so it's probably correct.

I think this sentence is what does it for me on Kagami being scum. Feels so fake.

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Scumthing_Smart should vote someone.

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Goodies, what’s your read on Oh?

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VOTE: Nacho

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I just think that a town wisdom can be a valuable asset to town if he's given time to do SOMETHING, instead of what we're doing right now, but if you feel that strongly about it then i wont oppose.

wisdom has a winrate barely above 50% after playing this game for several years...
and like i wouldn't randomly bring this up if he weren't trashing my game constantly, but it's true.

That’s pretty normal..?

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VOTE: Nacho

you do acknowledge that this is clearly what scum want, right?

so, why are you going for it?

No one is gonna lolhammer so it’s not dangerous to do

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I have reasons, Cici. But they might be bad

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My vote was naked?

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NSG I need a vc gurl

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What benchmark are you waiting for in particular?

None. I just think there's still useful discussion going on.

You dont think that the discussion weve had in the million pages plus a few flips isnt enough? You need more?

I’m pretty sure SS is scum and he’s fabricating reasons not to post.

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Nacho remember when fferylt played? I miss her

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Holy shit he’s beetle juicing sooo hard

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Did you mean not to vote?

Both.

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Do you think as town I post at every available opportunity?

I think as town you would post on the numerous things that happened since you last commented on something substantive, but you’ve only been responding to things directed at you/suspecting you instead

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Because that’s what normal town people do

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God you’re this generations CES, Empking, Chamber. Impossible to read

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Because that’s what normal town people do

I'm not a normal town player.

Then why are you surprised when people scumread you?

I’m just gonna Thor you and end up Mislynching you for not conforming to societal norns

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I think I’ve played two games with you and I replaced out of one before Day 1 had even finished.

If we’ve played more, I’ve forgotten. Your play style is very bystander/wall flower.

That said, I do think you are playing different than Undertale Semi. You seem way less conversational and your tone seems more hostile in general.

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I’m thinking Oh is the scum on Celestial right now..

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I’m thinking Oh is the scum on Celestial right now..

I think that you're wrong and looking for scum on Celestial is a mistake because there aren't any.

I think that is a very wrong assumption for many reasons. Do you think all 4 scum are currently not on you?

[Oversoul]

See. I’m of the opposite opinion. It’s part of the reason I’m on Nacho.

[Oversoul]

Ok i did a meta check (coz i couldnt remember for the life of me, but i remember misreading him) on SS from the single game i remember i played with him and his play here is consistent with his play there.

Define what was consistent.

[Oversoul]

Like what’s the point of alts or anons. Glad my suspicions were correct about Yukz. I think that slot is solidly town

Goodies, who are your scumreads?

[Oversoul]

To sum up: OS, Oh, Gay dance kinda are good
Wisdom near that level
If all the celestial posting is RC then I can't really form much of a read there tho what has been posted is consistent with MG imo
SH is meh. I guess I expected more from her
Shoshin is so-so . I haven't been a fan of him tho the wisdom take bad at first glance can totally come from town
Yukz, SS, PM are not good

We should examine this post more thoroughly

[Oversoul]

I ask because there’s no mention of me in that readslist and you mingle your scum reads and townreads in the same block so it is hard to decipher.

Are you saying that you and your brothers do not have a read on me?

[Oversoul]

Shoshin, read on Goodies?

[Oversoul]

Ok good we agree on Goodies scum

[Oversoul]

Oh is doing now what Cephrir was doing and it was causing me to get a false positive.

What do you think of that reads list that Gameplay posted and the readlist that Goodies posted?

[Oversoul]

Two different Goodies heads committed two different scum tells which make me think that slot is likely scum.

[Oversoul]

What was the most recent game you were both town?

[Oversoul]

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80198

I feel like both you and Cici are ignoring how eerily similar that game is to this game.

Highlights include -
RC and Shoshin cross scum reading one another
RC stating he is withholding reads
Shoshin stating that is a scum RC y’all
Shoshin stating she would not pick up her role PM because the game took a long time to fill

[Oversoul]

RC/Shoshin: Alternatively we could put both of you as the baton kill. That might solve a lot of issues to be honest.

[Oversoul]

Can you both shut the fuck up? Both of you are being anti town atm.

Retweet.

Straight up about to replace out if Shoshin and Cici keep talking about who has historically been more correct. Literally, no one cares.

[Oversoul]

Straight up about to replace out if Shoshin and Cici keep talking about who has historically been more correct. Literally, no one cares.

Oversoul, you need to understand that this is a scum-tell for RC. I will make an extensive meta post about this if I need to.

I understand that you think that. But the game you yourself linked as the most event mutual town game shows this is not a fool proof meta. For the record, i am assuming you’re saying the refusal to give reads is a scum tell.

I understand you think this, but I think Cici is town. I am willing to throw you a bone and give Nacho the BP, but Cici is never going to get lynched or baron killed today. We can revisit it tomorrow if either of you are alive.

For now, assume he is town.

[Oversoul]

Goodies, what are your reads?

I'm still treating you all as 1 individual btw.

I’m head no. 2, electric boogaloo — not FF — and yes indeed we do.
We’re pretty much agreed, I think, that you and Nacho are town and Gay Dance and Sakura is probably town. I personally think PM’s entrance was pretty scummy, for reasons outlined earlier — the over-the-topness, mostly — and that Yukz is town for a few reasons; he’s occasionally grating but he’s actually had some really good analysis.

Ceph has occasionally been strange, and so has Shoshin. Seeming to read some stuff about how they’re conf!town and... I have to say I do

not

understand.
I’ve only marathoned with SS, so...? He did sound very

reasonable

in it, but not much else. That kind of meta is pretty useless anyway. I’ll let better people — or my hydra buddies, the third of which is a better scumhunter than either of us — do that.

Similar with Dannflor...? I think if Shoshin is town Dannflor is town because of some of their interaction — Shoshin said something about Dannflor trying to understand them, and I think that that can’t be an s/s interaction, at the very least.
FF said Wisdom could maybe be town because of mindmeld but... maybe...? I do think some of his NAI but abrasive behaviour is ‘clouding people’s minds’, so to speak, though, and that people should let the Force flow through then, etc., etc., but

willing

to string him up. A good case would help, and if there has been one please don’t lambast me for it. just direct me to it.

About my questioning about gameplay... I actually hadn’t seen Nacho’s case; I’m still not fully caught up and I might at Night but right now it’d be useless to try.
Also @RC
I’m willing to tell you, if your scumread of us is based on some of my posting — which is, I think, all of the not-FF posting — then I can tell you, you have a 0% record on reading me, and not because you’ve never played with me.

Shoshin, this was the Goodies reads list that I asked you about earlier (when I asked about Goodies and Gameplay).

What do you make of it?

[Oversoul]

It’s interesting that Ceph has been deliberately avoiding voting Cici all day.

Nacho, talk to me about what was good about the Yukz and Goodies interaction?

Pedit: I stand corrected Ceph.

[Oversoul]

Hi reminding people that enter requested no day end yet

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

Did he explain why?

[Oversoul]

Hi reminding people that enter requested no day end yet

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

Did he explain why?

He's not comfortable with where his spots are atm and he might have more to say when he gets back, I've been leaving some notes with him

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

Who are your top two scum reads and his top two scum reads?

[Oversoul]

Don’t hate me Oh

VOTE: Celestial

Kagami is flipping scum at the very least.

[Oversoul]

My scums is {Goodies, SS, Kagami, PM}

[Oversoul]

Pass: Celestial Coordinates

[Oversoul]

Pass: Dannflor

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Goodies

I don’t think scum PM does what he did.

[Oversoul]

I remember PM being a bad player from when I was active. It’s entirely possible that is still the case. At any rate, I think I want to do the RC thing and go after harder scum than easy scum.

[Oversoul]

Solve is PM/Sakura for me

If I'm scum approaching this

You can't win without going deep, Sakura is/was in a shit position so being seen as a town hero is the only path to redemption

I can see it.

Yeah that’s my thinking too if PM does flip red.

[Oversoul]

Pass: Celestial Coordinates

why?

I wanted to see what NSG would do and to see if it would kill the rest of the playerlist.

[Oversoul]

3342 is best post of the game

[Oversoul]

You know what, let's just solve this right now then.
VOTE: Sakura
Since apparnetly im scum in every single team composition you guys can imagine.
You already got 2 scum in half a day phase this shouldnt hurt much.

Oh this is totally something a scum oversoul thing would do. I wonder if Sakura does it too...

[Oversoul]

You’re not scum with me Sakura. But that’s only because I’m not scum.

[Oversoul]

You’re not scum with me Sakura. But that’s only because I’m not scum.

[Oversoul]

I wonder if scum think the only way they can beat RC is through emotion.

[Oversoul]

I would like people to look into the Goodies readlist and the Gameplay readslist and point to me something that is common between both of them (although not explicitly).

[Oversoul]

Cici, would you mind not being the baton tomorrow?

[Oversoul]

The baton doesn't give nightkill immunity tomorrow. Aside from that, is this really where you want to go right now

I want you to do my Goodie/Gameplay exercise. I figured something hyperbolic would get your attention.

[Oversoul]

@RC: whoever gets the first baton every time will get BP

so technically we can keep you to endgame

do you know how much hate mail you would get from shoshin

Postage would be expensive from Africa

[Oversoul]

Ok that's like the only thing I have to say

Let me know if there's any particular reason for me to put effort in ty

Also lmao this game is proving just as much as every other game I play on the site that nobody can read me, nice

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

Isn’t everyone townreading you?
Was this supposed to go in the scum pt or the hydra pt something?

Oh shit fuck fuck this isn't the scum pt

-Edmund Duke, Alpha Squadron

Why do people do this.

[Oversoul]

like assuming pm flips scum which seems pretty likely we're looking for 1 scum in 11 people which sounds AMAZING FUN right

ITS FUCKING GOODIES DUDE GOD DAMN IT

[Oversoul]

like assuming pm flips scum which seems pretty likely we're looking for 1 scum in 11 people which sounds AMAZING FUN right

ITS FUCKING GOODIES DUDE GOD DAMN IT

You keeping saying this but could you please give some reasoning?

Please

Why has it taken you this long to address my scumread on you

[Oversoul]

like assuming pm flips scum which seems pretty likely we're looking for 1 scum in 11 people which sounds AMAZING FUN right

ITS FUCKING GOODIES DUDE GOD DAMN IT

You keeping saying this but could you please give some reasoning?

Please

Why has it taken you this long to address my scumread on you

I’ve asked for reasoning before I think.

You haven't. That fact only adds to the scumread.

Spoiler: Goodies Scum case

First, we begin with Gameplay's reads list. Why do we begin with Gameplay's reads list? I think Gameplay is a weaker scum player than Wisdom. I think his play will fall into the typical scum behavior. What is typical scum behavior you might ask? Well, it is to keep options open. How can we tell that Gameplay is falling in line with this scum behavior? Look at the knowns. I have color coded them and added the appropriate category.

To sum up: OS, Oh, Gay dance kinda are good

Wisdom

near that level [

town reads

]
If all the celestial posting is RC then I can't really form much of a read there tho what has been posted is consistent with MG imo
SH is meh. I guess I expected more from her
Shoshin is so-so . I haven't been a fan of him tho the wisdom take bad at first glance can totally come from town
[

null reads

]
Yukz, SS,

PM

are not good [

scum reads

]

Common scum behavior usually involves putting 1 buddy in town reads and 1 buddy in scum reads OR putting your buddies in the nullreads so you can chance your read on them depending on the game state. As we can see, Gameplay has already put his buddies in his town and scum read categories. I think the remaining buddy is in his null read category. But his null read category is not explicit with every player in the game... so who is missing?

Players missing:
Goodies
Nacho
Cephrir
Dannflorr

That raises the question - did Gameplay have enough to read at those times to make a read on these players?

Let's examine their post counts just to see if the amount of posts is the determining factor for Gameplay not mentioning/putting them in null in his readslist.

Player post counts as of Gameplay's readslist in post 1406.
Oversoul - 55 posts
Oh - 150 posts
Gay Dance - 215 posts
Cici - 234 posts
Shoshin - 111 posts
Sakura - 96 posts
Yukz - 57 posts
SS - 89 posts
PM - 5 posts
---
Goodies - 28 posts
Nacho - 17 posts
Cephrir -106 posts
Dannfloor - 87 posts

As we can see, clearly the number of posts is not the determining factor for Gameplay to read another player. If it was the number of posts, he would not have given a read on PM, yet he did.

It is my belief that Gameplay has put one of his scumbuddies in this null pile by not mentioning them at all. I believe that buddy is Goodies although it is interesting that Ceph and Dann, two other contenders for final scum, are in this category as well. Sakura too if you extend this null group to the players explicitly named.

Now we move onto Goodies' reads list as of post 2903.

Goodies, what are your reads?

I'm still treating you all as 1 individual btw.

I’m head no. 2, electric boogaloo — not FF — and yes indeed we do.
We’re pretty much agreed, I think, that you and Nacho are town and Gay Dance and Sakura is probably town. I personally think PM’s entrance was pretty scummy, for reasons outlined earlier — the over-the-topness, mostly — and that Yukz is town for a few reasons; he’s occasionally grating but he’s actually had some really good analysis.

Ceph has occasionally been strange, and so has Shoshin. Seeming to read some stuff about how they’re conf!town and... I have to say I do

not

understand.
I’ve only marathoned with SS, so...? He did sound very

reasonable

in it, but not much else. That kind of meta is pretty useless anyway. I’ll let better people — or my hydra buddies, the third of which is a better scumhunter than either of us — do that.

Similar with Dannflor...? I think if Shoshin is town Dannflor is town because of some of their interaction — Shoshin said something about Dannflor trying to understand them, and I think that that can’t be an s/s interaction, at the very least.
FF said Wisdom could maybe be town because of mindmeld but... maybe...? I do think some of his NAI but abrasive behaviour is ‘clouding people’s minds’, so to speak, though, and that people should let the Force flow through then, etc., etc., but

willing

to string him up. A good case would help, and if there has been one please don’t lambast me for it. just direct me to it.

About my questioning about gameplay... I actually hadn’t seen Nacho’s case; I’m still not fully caught up and I might at Night but right now it’d be useless to try.
Also @RC
I’m willing to tell you, if your scumread of us is based on some of my posting — which is, I think, all of the not-FF posting — then I can tell you, you have a 0% record on reading me, and not because you’ve never played with me.

If we truly examine this readslist, it is very wishy-washy. Likely because Goodies wants to be able to be fluid with their reads. However, I will attempt to categorize the reads to show the similarity between this list and Gameplay's list.

Town reads:
Cici
Gay Dance
Sakura
Nacho
Yukz

Wisdom

Null read:
Shoshin
Dannfloor
SS
Ceph

Scum reads:

PM

Missing players (further null):
Oh
Oversoul

Gameplay

Important facts to note: by this point, Cici had made it very clear that gameplay and Wisdom were going to die. Several players expressed scumreads on Wisdom. By the time this reads list came out, gameplay had replaced out, Oh had 238 posts, and I had 138 posts.

It is interesting that both gameplay and Goodies in their reads list did not explicitly mention a read on one another, especially when they had ample opportunity to

have

a read on each other.

Gameplay's readslist I think is going to be particularly important because I believe he fabricated it with the explicit purpose of partioning his buddies across all three categories.

Now we delve further into Goodies' list... He seriously only has a scum read on PM at post 2903 in the game? Is that a joke? Furthermore, he is hardcore fencesitting on a scumWisdom. Uh... the pieces are beginning to come together y'all.

Earlier I mentioned that Goodies had two heads commit two different scum tells. This is the first scum tell - ignoring a certain subset of players for seemingly no reason.

The second scum tell is actually this post:

Like what’s the point of alts or anons. Glad my suspicions were correct about Yukz. I think that slot is solidly town

Goodies, who are your scumreads?

You are the 4th person who has asked for reads. I answered the first 3. I feel like I've done more than enough to get our reads out there.

Iso us and look for a long double quote of our own posts and there you go.

I think scum are more likely to say some iteration of "I've already explained my reads, look at post x" because they do not want to have the underlying reasoning for their reads examined over and over again. I think scum rather want to funnel people to specific reads posts because they have predetermined the reasoning in those posts is defensible and more importantly the reasoning will always be consistent. If scum have to continually rehash what their reads are, it opens them up to inconsistencies (because their reads are naturally fake) and potential scumreads as a result.

It is also interesting that Goodies did not list a read on those three players in particular when they had already expressed SOME opinion on all three of those slots.

I'm thinking

{Goodies, Wisdom, Ceph, PMysterious}

Will this be a Scummie or a Crummie

What do/did you dislike in Ceph and PM, and why ignoring

gameplay

?

This is RC. I will do my best to deal with crazy but you will probably get lynched before endgame if you try this.

The convincing argument made against me was to not do that. I still think it would have been hilariously worth the rope we would have eaten over it.

Ok, so from my early readings i had gut reads on a few people.

Oversoul

was a neg because of his self vote, I know that he would know he was town and would vote himself, but I didnt think of that and no one else did either, so in my mind its a scum thing trying to get control of the baton early to help hide their team in the early passes.

PM you are on board with hanging out to dry.

Ceph i wasnt thrilled about all the meta talk. Nacho might be able to help me more with this read, but you can weigh in as well.

Hana i started out not liking but then remembered that if i dont like hana to start then she has a <rand chance of being town and im projecting my expectations of proper play onto her, which is different for all people.

I liked you, gay dance, and wisdom.

I townread

Oversoul

's iso in its entirety but I don't know what I'd point to to explain why.

Ok, ill check it out. Do you think scum have an imperative to get the baton in their control early?

Sorta, yeah, but without the greatest expectation of a scumflip.

Thats fair, its based off tone for me and I get why that wouldnt have the most faith as an argument.

I think that they're scum most of the time because of the stances they've taken and how others have interacted with them.
I do need to actually meta the Cephrir account as opposed to trying to read their alt which plays very differently though.

There is a reason that I want Nacho in on this part,

@Nacho- I remember a long time ago, in a land of fire and ice, Ceph being a scum fuck who made much the same argument he made here for the 2 ways hed play. Do you remember that game?

I think Hana will be reasonably solvable in the long run and trying to sort her early feels like a massive headache inducer.

Fair.

scumread but not my strongest scumread on Wisdom.

2 out of 3 aint bad, I think Meatloaf said that.

Goodies, what’s your read on

Oh

?

Are we meant to have one? I've just seen them come in complain about not caring and then leaving again.

On tone I don't like the slot, but also don't know enter well enough to see if it's AI at all.

Ank I know a bit better and feel like they will in town eventually or they won't and we'll have them.

[Oversoul]

like assuming pm flips scum which seems pretty likely we're looking for 1 scum in 11 people which sounds AMAZING FUN right

ITS FUCKING GOODIES DUDE GOD DAMN IT

You keeping saying this but could you please give some reasoning?

Please

Why has it taken you this long to address my scumread on you

I’ve asked for reasoning before I think.

You haven't. That fact only adds to the scumread.

Spoiler: Goodies Scum case

First, we begin with Gameplay's reads list. Why do we begin with Gameplay's reads list? I think Gameplay is a weaker scum player than Wisdom. I think his play will fall into the typical scum behavior. What is typical scum behavior you might ask? Well, it is to keep options open. How can we tell that Gameplay is falling in line with this scum behavior? Look at the knowns. I have color coded them and added the appropriate category.

To sum up: OS, Oh, Gay dance kinda are good

Wisdom

near that level [

town reads

]
If all the celestial posting is RC then I can't really form much of a read there tho what has been posted is consistent with MG imo
SH is meh. I guess I expected more from her
Shoshin is so-so . I haven't been a fan of him tho the wisdom take bad at first glance can totally come from town
[

null reads

]
Yukz, SS,

PM

are not good [

scum reads

]

Common scum behavior usually involves putting 1 buddy in town reads and 1 buddy in scum reads OR putting your buddies in the nullreads so you can chance your read on them depending on the game state. As we can see, Gameplay has already put his buddies in his town and scum read categories. I think the remaining buddy is in his null read category. But his null read category is not explicit with every player in the game... so who is missing?

Players missing:
Goodies
Nacho
Cephrir
Dannflorr

That raises the question - did Gameplay have enough to read at those times to make a read on these players?

Let's examine their post counts just to see if the amount of posts is the determining factor for Gameplay not mentioning/putting them in null in his readslist.

Player post counts as of Gameplay's readslist in post 1406.
Oversoul - 55 posts
Oh - 150 posts
Gay Dance - 215 posts
Cici - 234 posts
Shoshin - 111 posts
Sakura - 96 posts
Yukz - 57 posts
SS - 89 posts
PM - 5 posts
---
Goodies - 28 posts
Nacho - 17 posts
Cephrir -106 posts
Dannfloor - 87 posts

As we can see, clearly the number of posts is not the determining factor for Gameplay to read another player. If it was the number of posts, he would not have given a read on PM, yet he did.

It is my belief that Gameplay has put one of his scumbuddies in this null pile by not mentioning them at all. I believe that buddy is Goodies although it is interesting that Ceph and Dann, two other contenders for final scum, are in this category as well. Sakura too if you extend this null group to the players explicitly named.

Now we move onto Goodies' reads list as of post 2903.

Goodies, what are your reads?

I'm still treating you all as 1 individual btw.

I’m head no. 2, electric boogaloo — not FF — and yes indeed we do.
We’re pretty much agreed, I think, that you and Nacho are town and Gay Dance and Sakura is probably town. I personally think PM’s entrance was pretty scummy, for reasons outlined earlier — the over-the-topness, mostly — and that Yukz is town for a few reasons; he’s occasionally grating but he’s actually had some really good analysis.

Ceph has occasionally been strange, and so has Shoshin. Seeming to read some stuff about how they’re conf!town and... I have to say I do

not

understand.
I’ve only marathoned with SS, so...? He did sound very

reasonable

in it, but not much else. That kind of meta is pretty useless anyway. I’ll let better people — or my hydra buddies, the third of which is a better scumhunter than either of us — do that.

Similar with Dannflor...? I think if Shoshin is town Dannflor is town because of some of their interaction — Shoshin said something about Dannflor trying to understand them, and I think that that can’t be an s/s interaction, at the very least.
FF said Wisdom could maybe be town because of mindmeld but... maybe...? I do think some of his NAI but abrasive behaviour is ‘clouding people’s minds’, so to speak, though, and that people should let the Force flow through then, etc., etc., but

willing

to string him up. A good case would help, and if there has been one please don’t lambast me for it. just direct me to it.

About my questioning about gameplay... I actually hadn’t seen Nacho’s case; I’m still not fully caught up and I might at Night but right now it’d be useless to try.
Also @RC
I’m willing to tell you, if your scumread of us is based on some of my posting — which is, I think, all of the not-FF posting — then I can tell you, you have a 0% record on reading me, and not because you’ve never played with me.

If we truly examine this readslist, it is very wishy-washy. Likely because Goodies wants to be able to be fluid with their reads. However, I will attempt to categorize the reads to show the similarity between this list and Gameplay's list.

Town reads:
Cici
Gay Dance
Sakura
Nacho
Yukz

Wisdom

Null read:
Shoshin
Dannfloor
SS
Ceph

Scum reads:

PM

Missing players (further null):
Oh
Oversoul

Gameplay

Important facts to note: by this point, Cici had made it very clear that gameplay and Wisdom were going to die. Several players expressed scumreads on Wisdom. By the time this reads list came out, gameplay had replaced out, Oh had 238 posts, and I had 138 posts.

It is interesting that both gameplay and Goodies in their reads list did not explicitly mention a read on one another, especially when they had ample opportunity to

have

a read on each other.

Gameplay's readslist I think is going to be particularly important because I believe he fabricated it with the explicit purpose of partioning his buddies across all three categories.

Now we delve further into Goodies' list... He seriously only has a scum read on PM at post 2903 in the game? Is that a joke? Furthermore, he is hardcore fencesitting on a scumWisdom. Uh... the pieces are beginning to come together y'all.

Earlier I mentioned that Goodies had two heads commit two different scum tells. This is the first scum tell - ignoring a certain subset of players for seemingly no reason.

The second scum tell is actually this post:

Like what’s the point of alts or anons. Glad my suspicions were correct about Yukz. I think that slot is solidly town

Goodies, who are your scumreads?

You are the 4th person who has asked for reads. I answered the first 3. I feel like I've done more than enough to get our reads out there.

Iso us and look for a long double quote of our own posts and there you go.

I think scum are more likely to say some iteration of "I've already explained my reads, look at post x" because they do not want to have the underlying reasoning for their reads examined over and over again. I think scum rather want to funnel people to specific reads posts because they have predetermined the reasoning in those posts is defensible and more importantly the reasoning will always be consistent. If scum have to continually rehash what their reads are, it opens them up to inconsistencies (because their reads are naturally fake) and potential scumreads as a result.

It is also interesting that Goodies did not list a read on those three players in particular when they had already expressed SOME opinion on all three of those slots.

I'm thinking

{Goodies, Wisdom, Ceph, PMysterious}

Will this be a Scummie or a Crummie

What do/did you dislike in Ceph and PM, and why ignoring

gameplay

?

This is RC. I will do my best to deal with crazy but you will probably get lynched before endgame if you try this.

The convincing argument made against me was to not do that. I still think it would have been hilariously worth the rope we would have eaten over it.

Ok, so from my early readings i had gut reads on a few people.

Oversoul

was a neg because of his self vote, I know that he would know he was town and would vote himself, but I didnt think of that and no one else did either, so in my mind its a scum thing trying to get control of the baton early to help hide their team in the early passes.

PM you are on board with hanging out to dry.

Ceph i wasnt thrilled about all the meta talk. Nacho might be able to help me more with this read, but you can weigh in as well.

Hana i started out not liking but then remembered that if i dont like hana to start then she has a <rand chance of being town and im projecting my expectations of proper play onto her, which is different for all people.

I liked you, gay dance, and wisdom.

I townread

Oversoul

's iso in its entirety but I don't know what I'd point to to explain why.

Ok, ill check it out. Do you think scum have an imperative to get the baton in their control early?

Sorta, yeah, but without the greatest expectation of a scumflip.

Thats fair, its based off tone for me and I get why that wouldnt have the most faith as an argument.

I think that they're scum most of the time because of the stances they've taken and how others have interacted with them.
I do need to actually meta the Cephrir account as opposed to trying to read their alt which plays very differently though.

There is a reason that I want Nacho in on this part,

@Nacho- I remember a long time ago, in a land of fire and ice, Ceph being a scum fuck who made much the same argument he made here for the 2 ways hed play. Do you remember that game?

I think Hana will be reasonably solvable in the long run and trying to sort her early feels like a massive headache inducer.

Fair.

scumread but not my strongest scumread on Wisdom.

2 out of 3 aint bad, I think Meatloaf said that.

Goodies, what’s your read on

Oh

?

Are we meant to have one? I've just seen them come in complain about not caring and then leaving again.

On tone I don't like the slot, but also don't know enter well enough to see if it's AI at all.

Ank I know a bit better and feel like they will in town eventually or they won't and we'll have them.

Quoting so not lost to the depths of a page bottom

[Oversoul]

Ceph Goodies tomorrow, Cici?

[Oversoul]

Cici, full disclosure, you have committed a scumtell of mine twice now.

[Oversoul]

Do I need to respond to this beyond saying I'm not you?

It's not

my

scumtell, or a scumtell that is only unique to me. It is a scumtell I use to fairly decent success.

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Votecount 1.8

Celestial Coordinates(3)

~ Gay Dance Gone Wrong⁸⁶, Shoshin¹⁸, Dannflor²⁶

Oversoul(2)

~ Oversoul¹⁶, Sakura Hana³⁸

Nachomamma8(2)

~ Wisdom³⁵, Oh³⁷

Something_Smart(1)

~ gameplay506¹⁶

Gay Dance Gone Wrong(1)

~ PMysterious⁴

Cephrir(1)

~ Cephrir³²


Not Voting (5): YukzYuk¹⁴, Goodies⁰, Nachomamma8⁴, Celestial Coordinates¹⁷, Something_Smart³¹

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-10-14 08:04:59)

I was going to ask if we can vote for ourselves but obviously we can.

VOTE: Celestial Coordinates

The baton doesn't give nightkill immunity tomorrow. Aside from that, is this really where you want to go right now?

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The scumtell is willful ignorance or obliviousness to obvious things. I seriously doubt that someone as neurotic as you does not realize that yes, you can vote yourself, or that the baton BP ability works everyday.

[Oversoul]

Votecount 1.5
Something_Smart(3) ~ PMysterious2, Oh13, gameplay50616

I think this VC makes it very unlikely that SS is scum.

[Oversoul]

There's a lot of good reasons to townread SS. That's a pretty terrible one, ngl.

Two scum vote a third scum who as either alignment never deserves the BP?

I don't think scum do that. I think scum do what Wisdom did, curry favor with specific members of the town.

[Oversoul]

{Gay Dance}
{CC, Wisdom, SS, Sakura}
{Shoshin, Nacho, gameplay(?, can't remember anything he's posted)}
{Oversoul, Goodies, Dannflor}
{PMysterious, YukzYuk}

Also: putting gameplay as can't remember anything he's posted and pmysterious as a scumread is weird.
There's also the fact that from the looks of things the scum are evenly distributed across his categories when from badtown you expect to see the highest concentration of scum in the nullreads.

It is interesting. A lot of the points I made about Goodies can be said about Ceph. I think one is scum and the other is just bad town.

[Oversoul]

I think my town read on Ceph stems from this thought about Ceph: he is more interested in making a societal/cultural impact on the site as opposed to winning. It would explain why he shoots down a lot of prevailing reads based on meta.

[Oversoul]

If PM is town my mind will be blown

[Oversoul]

Who are we waiting on

[Oversoul]

Imma go back to waiting for Nacho, or Oversoul, which ever.

Why are you waiting for me?

[Oversoul]

Why are we spamming when we haven’t solved the game again...?

[Oversoul]

Mexican food obviously

[Oversoul]

I dislike Thai food because noodles and peanut flavors should not go together.

[Oversoul]

Goodies makes me uncomfortable.

[Oversoul]

mexican has been lynched.

Mexican was revealed to be...

TOWN!

Night phase has begun as i go get the Mexican food.

chipotle is not mexican

God chipotle is disgusting.

[Oversoul]

Why Chipotle is scum:

1. They burn their chicken
2. Their queso is bland
3. Their guac is not chunky enough
4. THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR CHIPS

[Oversoul]

And no other comment on my idea Overrated?

Am I overrated..?

[Oversoul]

Why Chipotle is scum:

1. They burn their chicken
2. Their queso is bland
3. Their guac is not chunky enough
4. THEY MAKE YOU PAY FOR CHIPS

Rebuttal:

You can hack chipotle orders to get 2 full burritos for like 7 bucks. Im cool with not getting chips if i can hack a restaurant for 2 dinners off 7 bucks.

Sorry, my phone didnt recognize Outsourcing.

Please explain this hacking.

There’s also the thing that I lived off Chipotle and Moe’s for pretty much my entire college career.

[Oversoul]

What idea did you mean, Goodies?

[Oversoul]

Depends who you would pick.

[Oversoul]

Please explain this hacking.

Basically you ask for a half and half (most scoopers will give more than they should of both) and then add a bunch of extra things (online they allow you to put extra on a certain number of things like rice and beans) and then fill it up with all the free stuff you can fit and ask them to roll it with a 2nd tortilla wrap for free.

Oh I do something similar with my Chipotle already.

Get a bowl (or salad if your establishment are sticklers about giving out the vinaigrette)
Get a side tortilla
Get rice and black beans
Get half good meat (chicken/steak)
Get half sofritas
Get mild salsa
Get medium salsa
Get corn
Get cheese
Get lettuce if not a salad

Contrast of warm and cold between the meats/rice and corn/cheese. Salty and sweet between the meat/corn

Rip portions of the tortilla and dip into the vinaigrette

Bon appetit!

[Oversoul]

Depends who you would pick.

Don't work like that. If im right about PM that means that we only have 1 scum left. If I agree to go to the thunderdome then as scum I would be gamethrowing and would never go through with it. Me doing so and allowing it to happen means there is no way I can be scum and therefore we confer with our three heads and pick who we want with us.

I’ll agree for the resulting drama

[Oversoul]

VOTE: PM

For whenever Nacho gets done with his reads and stuff