NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[JarJarDrinks]

The push on me today makes little to no sense and feels very scum motivated to me.

Little to no sense? You made a claim which got a PR lynched. You specifically said you wouldnt make the play cause it would get you "lynched halfway through the game". It's obviously something you should be expected to be scumread for.

[JarJarDrinks]

Don't hastily vote someone who is obviously town if you don't want to be called out for not reading.

Wait you think you're "obviously town" now?

[JarJarDrinks]

w/e I was going to fake a guilty on Titus for to see reactions but I don't think I'm in a position to do so RN so I retract.
I was RBed last night, no result.

Why are you in no position to do so?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why are you in no position to do so?

Because the goon squad of fools is voting me?

You had exactly 2 votes on you at the time you made that post. And one of them was from DN who you are not townreading. Wanna try again?

pedit: and the other was from the place you just placed your vote.

[JarJarDrinks]

Honey, you've pulled that so many times now. You got lucky once.

Find a game where I fake a guilty and didn't retract it and someone flipped town.

Go on, I'll wait.

It's

never

happened.

You'd fake claimed cop more times more times this month guilties on me talah etc.

I fake claimed cop on Taly for about 2 minutes to see how FA would react, and the reaction consecrated my FA townread.

FA was town.

Literally a fucking freebie.

Maybe if you weren't absolutely incapable of playing the game outside of one strategy where everything must align perfectly for you to not be useless you would be able to actually fucking read people.

How many times have you tried to mislynch me again? Do I need to make a fucking list here?

This is RC talking to someone that scumslipped so hard that he didn't want to waste an investigation on him.

[JarJarDrinks]

You know what doesn't give towncred? getting town PRs lynched in a CC

Then why are you calling yourself obvtown and saying that when people push your lynch it makes little to no sense ?

[JarJarDrinks]

Then why are you calling yourself obvtown and saying that when people push your lynch it makes little to no sense ?

Because if you're town, you should really know better.

If you truly believe that town would know better than to lynch you after that claim then why do you keep saying it's a terrible scum play?

If a play:

- gets a PR lynched
- makes you obvtown cause the town should "know better"

Isn't a great play as scum?


You can't have it both ways.

[JarJarDrinks]

@RC

Like are you really using the argument that what you did was so scummy it couldn't possibly come from scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

If a play:

- gets a PR lynched
- makes you obvtown cause the town should "know better"

Isn't a great play as scum?

If you're concerned about my alignment lynch me the day before LyLo.

We're not discussing the possibility of lynching me today.

[JarJarDrinks]

RC didnt claim a guilty. Im not sure why this is a point of contention. He never said to hve a guilty.

He did and then retracted it.

[JarJarDrinks]

What's your issue with it?

In this case, I just brought it up cause PK said U didnt claim a guilty and wasn't sure if he had missed it.

[JarJarDrinks]

Town reads

Wickedestjr
Nosferatu

Town lean

pirate mollie
Wake88
Zulfy/Titus
JarJarDrinks

Null town lean

Dwlee99

Null scum lean

TheCow/Firebringer

Scum lean

DeathNote

Scum reads

pisskop
RadiantCowbells

Those are damn close to my reads Keysor. I wasn't crazy about Zulf but Titus has looked pretty town to me so I'd probably agree w/ him being a townlean now. I'd bump mollie up as she's a solid townread for me. Then I'd probably switch Dwlee and firebringer. And I'd put you as a townlean. Rest of this list is $$$

[JarJarDrinks]

I will present my full scum-case within the next 48 hours.

[JarJarDrinks]

RC, claim your picks.

what's this mean?

[JarJarDrinks]

Nero CCed me and I lynched him for it. Go bitch at AP if you want to bitch at anyone.

........

I made the right fucking play in any game where the mod wasn't a gigantic fucking troll

So then you do admit that for the rest of the town, lynching you is the correct play right? Cause none of us can assume the mod is a gigantic fucking troll right?

Like you keep talking out of both sides of ur mouth. You can't say that you lynched Nero cause of setup but we shouldn't lynch u for the same reason. ANd then have the balls to say you're obvtown and call people out for scumreading u for the exact same reason you claim u scumread nero.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not understanding why you expect me to predict that AP threw a role cop into a game with me.

and again, but u now expect us to believe it?

[JarJarDrinks]

If you're concerned about my alignment lynch me the day before LyLo.

We're not discussing the possibility of

lynching me today

.

I made a reads list. But, if DN is Ascetic we can find that out and I can get another report if I

live another night

.

Even if you think I'm scum there's no reason to

lynch me today

.

I'd like to at least

live till tomorrow

so I can out whether DN is ascetic or whether I got roleblocked.

If I'm getting lynched, you better lynch the shit out of Keyser and Titus tomorrow.

I retain my shot and want to try to use it or force scum to kill me if we lynch the roleblocker.

I'm not

being lynched today

. flat out.

if scum force it through and town doesn't autolynch for it you deserve to lose.

if you think I'm scum, what reason do you have to prevent me from allowing me to verify whether DN is ascetic or not?

We're not

lynching me today

. flat out. if we lynch RBer today we force scum to kill me or give a result.

If you have to lynch me,

lynch me tomorrow

.

Just wanna say that anyone that buys this bullshit has no clue how mafia works. This is scum 101. RC is trying to just survive the day. He's acting like letting him live is a win-win regardless of his alignment. The town is on a clock and we only have so many mislynches before it runs out. Scum is just trying to run out that clock.

And RC strikes me as a player should damn well know this. He's scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

so titus/mollie 2morrow? open to keysor too

It's really hard for me to believe you're town when your reads are so off from mine.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yet, why isn't DeathNote in your lynches RC? I find it odd you have pushed dn is Sk yet don't plan to lynch him.

Cause for some reason, he's trying to get the town to not lynch him so he can investigate DN tonight.

[JarJarDrinks]

I still haven't seen any sort of case on myself from ANY OF THE 5 PEOPLE ON MY WAGON, besides HEY AP TROLLED YOU WITH THE SETUP DESIGN.

Crazytalk. You weren't even the lynch I was gonna push coming out of the night phase. It's not the counterclaim. I'm scumreading you for your posts TODAY.

I will try to get a full case together shortly.

[JarJarDrinks]

If anyone hammers rc I will personally come to their house and smash their computer to pieces <3

Wow, the last game I was in, scum made almost this exact post. Very LAMIST.

[JarJarDrinks]

If anyone hammers rc I will personally come to their house and smash their computer to pieces <3

Wow, the last game I was in, scum made almost this exact post. Very LAMIST.

Grab the posts please. What was the alignment of the lynch victim?

Anyone who hammers without using the day I will hold personally responsible if there is a town flip. Even if it is a scum flip they will be scummy.

lol, lynch victim was 2 shot cop

[JarJarDrinks]

RadiantCowbells

• His first check was on Aero who died. It's very convenient that he doesn't have to clear anybody w/ his first check. Sure it could be coincidence, but it's not like Aero was a great check for N1 after all the crazy shit that went down between Pisskop and FA


• first post of today:

Like seriously, what the shit is having a role cop and a cop on the same faction. normal review should have NEVER let that through. there's no effing way that it isn't seen as a CC.

That was not a fakeclaim FYI. I'm cop, and I checked Zulfy aka Titus last night. scum.

VOTE: Titus

So he says he has scumcheck on Zulf/Titus. Nine minutes go by and he retracts it. Like, WTF was the point of that? He didn't even let Titus respond. When I questioned him about it he said

Because the goon squad of fools is voting me?

But there were only 2 votes on him @ the time and one of them was DN who he doesn't believe is town. So basically one person voting him was enough for him to decide he shouldn't go through w/ his gambit.


• So when he retracts:

w/e I was going to fake a guilty on Titus for to see reactions but I don't think I'm in a position to do so RN so I retract.
I was RBed last night, no result.
Still should be pretty damn obvious that Zulfy knew that Nero was town and lined up two lynches after him.
Can we lynch it now?.

So again, convenient that he doesn't have to clear anybody w/ his check since he claims RB. Also, I ask this

Just to reiterate: You checked Zulf/Titus and were RBed?

cause I wanted to make sure we had all the info, he says

Actually, I checked DN.

No result, so pretty damn sure I was RBed.

WTF? doesn't his post imply that he got no result on a Zulf check? Why not mention you checked DN when "coming clean" about the RB? Or why not use your reaction test on the guy were trying to check instead of Titus?


• Speaking of the guy he was trying to check, why in the world did he check DN? As I pointed out, he posted twice about how a cop should be checking mollie

PK, there was a miller claim in this setup. that means that either there's extremely likely to be a cop because there's a miller or scum thought there was likely to be a cop, which means there's probably a cop anyway.

I literally fucking guarantee you that whoever the cop is will be checking Mollie tonight because no one in this game can put up with your shit.

this is not a cop claim fyi.

PK, pull your head out of your ass.

If you're cop, claim it.

We have a miller claim; we almost certainly have a cop.

Cop goes on PM tonight and claims if a guilty.

You fucking happy?

why didnt you check mollie? If you saying you were FOSing Aero was a crumb then what the hell are these supposed to be? A fakecrumb ?

his response:

I didn't check Mollie because PK stopped with the stupid deathtunnel and I wanted to know if DN was SK or not.

I'd think that's obvious?

Which is dumb cause PK stopped tunneling mollie cause we all assummed that nero was flipping scum (cause of RCs claim) and mollie/nero scumteam didn't really make sense. Once nero flips, RC should know that makes mollie look scummier to PK.


• Also, why didn't he check Zulf/Titus? His reason:

Because DN's alignment is way more important.

There's no way in hell that I'd waste an invest on Zulfy after he slipped that hard.

First of all, WHY is DNs alignment more important? And secondly, did he really try to say that Zulf was so scummy that he wasn't even worth checking? Like if you think he's obvoius scum, and you;re already the outed cop, how do you not want to go into the day w/ a redcheck for the town?


• Speaking of which. Zulf was so damn obvscum that he wasn't worth a copcheck.

VOTE: Firebringer

This is priority lynch No. 1 I'm pretty sure.

Another WTF. So priority lynch No. 1 ISN'T the obvscum that scumslipped?


•

I crumbed my Aero result, this cop claim didn't come out of nowhere.

I'm running out of WTFs. This one is funny. He's trying to say that him FOSing Aero on Day 1 is some kind of cop crumb. He says "this cop claim didn't come out of nowhere" as if to say he should get towncred cause as scum he would have had to plan this claim from day 1.

I ask him to point out a post that shows this and the best he could must is this lame response

And yeah, I said clearly before the night that he was my #1 FoS.

He didn't point them out cause these are the post he's referring to:

I think Aero could very well be scum, the other two of you I am townreading.

If Daves flips scum please look at Aero and Frog again tomorrow.

Um yeah those posts totally show the "cop claim didn't come out of nowhere"


• He calls himself "obviously town" and says that the push on him today "makes little to no sense". Which is ridiculous cause it makes perfect sense because he countered a PR and got him lynched. Like he keeps harping about AP and how terrible the setup is right? So then how can he be obviously town? Or be surprised that people are pushing for his lynch. Like if I was in his position I'd be suspicious of the people NOT pushing for my lynch.


• He's only trying to save himself today. Again, if I'm in his position, I don't waste time fighting my lynch and just scumhunt as much as possible so I can still help the town despite the gamesetup getting me lynch.


• He keeps trying to push to live just one more day. I pointed why this was scummy here:

Spoiler:

If you're concerned about my alignment lynch me the day before LyLo.

We're not discussing the possibility of

lynching me today

.

I made a reads list. But, if DN is Ascetic we can find that out and I can get another report if I

live another night

.

Even if you think I'm scum there's no reason to

lynch me today

.

I'd like to at least

live till tomorrow

so I can out whether DN is ascetic or whether I got roleblocked.

If I'm getting lynched, you better lynch the shit out of Keyser and Titus tomorrow.

I retain my shot and want to try to use it or force scum to kill me if we lynch the roleblocker.

I'm not

being lynched today

. flat out.

if scum force it through and town doesn't autolynch for it you deserve to lose.

if you think I'm scum, what reason do you have to prevent me from allowing me to verify whether DN is ascetic or not?

We're not

lynching me today

. flat out. if we lynch RBer today we force scum to kill me or give a result.

If you have to lynch me,

lynch me tomorrow

.

Just wanna say that anyone that buys this bullshit has no clue how mafia works. This is scum 101. RC is trying to just survive the day. He's acting like letting him live is a win-win regardless of his alignment. The town is on a clock and we only have so many mislynches before it runs out. Scum is just trying to run out that clock.

And RC strikes me as a player should damn well know this. He's scum.

Furthemore, his whole reasoning is: Let me live so I can check DN tonight. Even though HE WAS ROLEBLOCKED. I know, he's all: we'll just totally lynch the roleblocker first, easy peezy. Cmon people.


That's all I got for now. I double dog dare someone to find a better case than that on someone in this game.

I will no be able to post very much tomorrow through monday but I'll do my best to check in.

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh, and BTW, he claimed and got a PR lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't pull gambits when I'm under pressure because they make me liable to be scumread. I only gambit when I have enough towncred to get results without risking my own lynch, which I clearly didn't have.

So going into the day you thought you'd have the towncred but then you changed your mind?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm running out of WTFs. This one is funny. He's trying to say that him FOSing Aero on Day 1 is some kind of cop crumb. He says "this cop claim didn't come out of nowhere" as if to say he should get towncred cause as scum he would have had to plan this claim from day 1.

I ask him to point out a post that shows this and the best he could must is this lame response

That's as clear a token as I'm going to give.

What do you expect me to do, lynch scum then say HMM TONIGHT I SHALL DETERMINE THE TRUE ALIGNMENT OF AERONAUT. NO NK PLS SCUM.

No I expect you to not try to say that "this cop claim didn't come out of nowhere" and point to those posts as proof of it.

See you're trying to twist this into making me argue against something I'm not actually arguing. I'm not trying to say that you should have been more clear. I;m saying that it's ridiculous for you to point to those posts as if you should get towncred for em.

[JarJarDrinks]

So going into the day you thought you'd have the towncred but then you changed your mind?

I was not remotely expecting to be a major wagon today, no.

so what happened between these posts that made u change ur mind?

Like seriously, what the shit is having a role cop and a cop on the same faction. normal review should have NEVER let that through. there's no effing way that it isn't seen as a CC.

That was not a fakeclaim FYI. I'm cop, and I checked Zulfy aka Titus last night. scum.

VOTE: Titus

Jesus RC we all know you do the craziest plays in existence

My scum plays are intended to get me to win the game, not get me lynched halfway through the game.
There's no scum motivation for me to fake a CC in such a way when I'm already super heavily townread. end of story.
I am cop. don't blame me for AP's cancerous setup design.

w/e I was going to fake a guilty on Titus for to see reactions but I don't think I'm in a position to do so RN so I retract.
I was RBed last night, no result.
Still should be pretty damn obvious that Zulfy knew that Nero was town and lined up two lynches after him.
Can we lynch it now?

Was it simply that fire was scumreading you?

[JarJarDrinks]

Fire scumreading me really pissed me off, yeah.

I don't like random ass people replacing in and claiming to scumread me on 'gut'.

It pissed you off so that made you think you;d be a major wagon?

[JarJarDrinks]

You still haven't explained why I can't be allowed to live till tomorrow either.

Liar

This is scum 101. RC is trying to just survive the day. He's acting like letting him live is a win-win regardless of his alignment. The town is on a clock and we only have so many mislynches before it runs out. Scum is just trying to run out that clock.

[JarJarDrinks]

Can we stop trying to lynch RC for literally doing what they do in like 30% of the games?


Remember when he claimed jailer to get to the SK in booneytoons?
Remember when he claimed cop to try to lynch me, the dayvig in w.e. the hell it was?

what in this game are you comparing these 2 things to?

[JarJarDrinks]

Help me with Pisskop tomorrow?

fo sho

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar, if youre done being bad at mafia Id love to hear from you.

sure, can u answer this?

Can we stop trying to lynch RC for literally doing what they do in like 30% of the games?


Remember when he claimed jailer to get to the SK in booneytoons?
Remember when he claimed cop to try to lynch me, the dayvig in w.e. the hell it was?

what in this game are you comparing these 2 things to?

[JarJarDrinks]

Still mostly VLA till monday (I'm playing in a real life CCG tournament) but wanted to check in. I've been phone following loosely.

I almost wanna lynch the people saying RC is town more than I do RC. Like how do you look @ the cases Keysor and I posted and just pooh-pooh them and call RC obvtown? Terrible.

[JarJarDrinks]

1) davesav wasn't even confirmed mafia at this point. Dwlee99 knew though.

This is actually a good catch.

VOTE: Dwlee

Are U kidding? This has been discussed ad nauseam and is one of the main reasons people are scumreading Dwlee.

[JarJarDrinks]

First one onto dave.

guys this right here is damn close to a slip. Aero asked why dwlee gave wicked such a strong townread. He gave several answers and this was the very last one.

I mean, it's like he forgot that Dave hadn't flipped yet. And yeah dave was scummy but he wasn't confscum or anything. Especially not to Dwlee, who originally was on the cow wagon before he late hopped.

[JarJarDrinks]

Is there a specific reason you want Dave first?

1) I'm far more certain that Daves flips scum here.
2) I'm not townreading Dwlee but I don't necessarily think his contradiction is a contradiction. People change their minds, yo.
3) I don't like the speed at which a massive group of people suddenly hopped to the Dwlee wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

Well I hadn't seen it before, clearly.

[JarJarDrinks]

So.... Death Note?
VOTE: Death Note

Why are u trying to vote for the person RC wants us to kill?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: pisskop

kinda thinking it's PK and fire.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't buy RCs claim of DN being SK for a second. There is no chance that we lynch DN today.

Keysor/Titus/Myself/Mollie

will decide between PK and Dlwee.

[JarJarDrinks]

RC self-hammered. He had a teammate on his wagon.

If that's the case, I think it's fire. Still not lynching outside of Dwlee/PK.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't buy RCs claim of DN being SK for a second. There is no chance that we lynch DN today.

Keysor/Titus/Myself/Mollie

will decide between PK and Dlwee.

Yes, I can see mafia-motivation to lynch a Bulletproof Townie.

Do you feel their could be a scum-recruitment power in the mix (to counter the 1 night kill)?

I think there's 2 more scum. That doesn't seem unbalanced to me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Your push on davesav gained you great town-cred on D1, however, your behaviour on the RadiantCowbells wagon did suprise me:

x2. Notice I didn't put Nos in my townbloc above.

[JarJarDrinks]

Stop your bullshit that's a fake hammer.

Telling his buddy to not fall for it?

[JarJarDrinks]

It doesnt matter how much experience I have I am still godawful

These are not posts from someone that thinks that they are godawful @ mafia:

Your reasons are bad and you should feel bad.

Yo nos can you stop being useless and vote scum, please?

We are lynching Keyser today.

Any town who lynches me should feel shitty af because I probably have the entire scum team pinned.

[JarJarDrinks]

rc literally feels slimey as scum.

If so, why didn't you join his wagon pisskop?

Well I actually read that as: When RC is scum, he literally feels slimey.

Meaning he's not scumreading RC because he doesn't literally feel slimey.

[JarJarDrinks]

I am trying to figure out if you could still be scum because of you "knowing" there is an sk.

VOTE: Deathnote

Jarjar gives me the heebie jeebies.

@Dwlee. If your town then you're STILL being godawfull today.

[JarJarDrinks]

Meaning he's not scumreading RC because he doesn't literally feel slimey.

Ok - I see that now.

Yeah. It was right after my case. But it still doesn't look great cause like: He's basically saying that he read my case and I make good points but he's not gonna vote RC cause "feels".

[JarJarDrinks]

We are not lynching outside of Dwelee Pisskop

DN

right now.

[JarJarDrinks]

Actually I think I'm preferring a Dwlee lynch now. How the F does Dwlee start today trying to throw shade on Me/Keysor/DN but not give an opinion on pisskop @ all.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Dwlee, what do you think of PK?

[JarJarDrinks]

Is it possible for someone to buddy and defend his scumpartner as hard as Dwlee did? Jeeze, he made some crazy posts that look scummy as all hell after an RC scum flip but no scum in their right mind would stick there neck out for their cop claimed partner right?

You could pretty much replace "Dwlee" w/ "pisskop" here. They both hard-defended the fuck out of RC.

I feel like if I had to choose terribad-town out of the 2, it'd be Dwlee.

But Dwlees posts today look SOOOO scummy. @ least PK came out and voted Dwlee. Dwlee today is just bizarreness.

[JarJarDrinks]

are you getting PMs about the game from rc too?

the game is broken IMO

what's this now?

[JarJarDrinks]

It was a fake guilty on titus.

sure that is exactly what happened.

to start yesterday, RC said he had a redcheck on titus and retracted it 10 minutes later.

[JarJarDrinks]

just read the beginning of my case in 4932

[JarJarDrinks]

that was @mollie

[JarJarDrinks]

Actually I think I'm preferring a Dwlee lynch now. How the F does Dwlee start today trying to throw shade on Me/Keysor/DN but not give an opinion on pisskop @ all.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like a townie that realizes his reads have been completely garbage should maybe try to listen to the people that have been carrying the town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Pisskop are you trying to fake a guilty on me?
I suck at this game so titus who so I vote?

Titus said me/pk/dn. I am voting dn.

You voted DN before titus said anything.

And I'm pretty sure when titus comes back, he's gonna say PK or you. Deathnote is definitely not scum. He's 3rd party @ best.

[JarJarDrinks]

@dwlee. Do you think DN is scum or are you voting him cause u think he's sk?

[JarJarDrinks]

sk. I am very doubtful he is groupscum

OK, so if he's sk, he's not killing anyone. No reason to lynch him today. We should lynch scum. NOT the guy that RC wants us to lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

moon logic?

[JarJarDrinks]

we are lynching deathy over my dead body

This is why PK is a better lynch than Dwlee people. Cause PK is pushing for Dwlee and Dwlee is pushing for DN. DN isn't lynchable today.

If PK is town and Dwlee is scum then Dwlee pushes PK as an easy mislynch.

If Dwlee is town and PK is scum then PK pushes Dwlee as an easy mislynch.

Scum Dwlee pushing DN only really makes sense if PK is scum also in which case lynching PK is still fine.

[JarJarDrinks]

What's the votecount?

Vote Count 4.1

pisskop (2) - JarJarDrinks, pirate mollie
Dwlee99 (2) - pisskop, Keyser Söze
DeathNote (1) - Firebringer

Not voting (5) - Wake88, DeathNote, Titus, Nosferatu, Dwlee99

(expired on 2016-01-26 11:59:59)

I'm investigating an issue with RadiantCowbells PMing people to determine if mod action is needed or if its benign. Continue playing in the meantime.

Wake88 should be replaced but I have not found anyone.

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar you seriously saying I am scum? Just on wanting DN dead?
DN is likely SK

I think you might be scum. You're nowhere near who I want to lynch today though.

DN is not scum. Like I've said: @ best he's an serial killer that hasn't killed. He's a terrible lynch today.

Who would you rather lynch: PK or dwlee?

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar you seriously saying I am scum? Just on wanting DN dead?
DN is likely SK

I think you might be scum. You're nowhere near who I want to lynch today though.

DN is not scum. Like I've said: @ best he's an serial killer that hasn't killed. He's a terrible lynch today.

Who would you rather lynch: PK or dwlee?

Neither I like piss too much and neutral on dwlee

like piss as in "you think he's town"?

[JarJarDrinks]

also, who's scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

It makes me super nervous that

rc generally hard busses her scim partners

and went after jarjar and titus and keyser.

Lol

Your association tells are trash, keyser.

Like look af rc's oppurtunistic vote onto me

.

YOU'RE the one that should get the towncred right?

[JarJarDrinks]

You're saying in one post that RC usually busses he scumbuddies and in the other you're pointing out how RC voteing you makes you town. You really didnt get what I was saying?

[JarJarDrinks]

Also please point out some posts of RC going after me that could be considered "hard bussing" please.

[JarJarDrinks]

Okay. So I'd like some answers to help me catch up. the more answers I get, the better.

Which people should I be paying close attention to while I catch up?
Which people, if any, have claimed?
What are everyone's reads right now?

I'd like answers before I catch up. I understand that this will prevent me from getting an organic perspective but I am confident in my abilty to avoid confbias, and the fact that I am posing this question to everyone really gives me context as to the progression of everyone's thoughts.

A little synopsis:

- Lynched Dave (scum) day 1
- He told us he was in a hood w/ ur slot and DN
- DN claimed BP in the hood and Dave told the town that
- Many of us think DN could be SK. But there's only been 1 kill/night
- Nero claimed rolecop on day 2
- RC then claimed town cop so we lynched Nero
- Neros N1 check was wicked (who claimed Miller to start the game)
- We lynched RC (scum) on day 3
- Pisskop and Dwlee were very much against the RC lynch and are the 2 primary suspects today

[JarJarDrinks]

What are everyone's reads right now?

Titus/Keyser Söze/pirate mollie

- All very strong townreads. Pushing through the RC lynch yesterday was damn tough and these 3 (plus myself) got it done.

Nosferatu/ErrantParabola

- slight townreads. Your slot mostly for being in a hood w/ scum and potential SK. Nos put out a great case which really contributed to getting dave lynched but hasn't done much since and was a little wierd about the RC wagon.

DeathNote

- Is absolutely not scum cause RC (mafia rolecop) claimed scum and told us that he has a SK check on deathnote. He might be SK.

Firebringer

- slight scumread. Mostly PoE but the slot hasn't really done anything protown. He came out voting DN today who isn't scum.

Dwlee99/pisskop

- scum. Pisskop has deathtunnelled the very townish FA/mollie slot and hard defended RC. Dwlee also hard defended RC and has gone after like every townread of mine. The fact that PK is pushing dwlees lynch but dwlee isn't pushing PK makes PK a better lynch today.

[JarJarDrinks]

Check these posts. Keep in mind pisskop voted for Nero.

And if nero does flip town im going to have a field day on all of you. it will only be surpassed by the eagerness of my dancing as I lead the charge once more into mollie.

We;ll see. A nero townflip makes you look only that much worse, dont it?

Ill be fully ready to admit that if nero is scum youre likely town. but damn this game has shown just how much faith I can put into your promises of providing content or doing useful things.

Tell me those aren't posts from someone that knows nero is gonna flip town and is trying to set up mollie for it.

[JarJarDrinks]

those are post hammer btw

[JarJarDrinks]

You should be ashamed of yourself,

and if I wastn so sure RC wouldnt have claimed to kill nero like that I would acuse you of being scum

. Instead you can be terrible at what you do.

no clue what you're trying to say here

[JarJarDrinks]

You say Ive been deathtunnelling mollie, but want claim that Im settuing mollie up by scumreading her? you want to have/eat your cake.

huh?

- You deathtunnel mollie all game
- mollie pushes the nero lynch
- nero gets hammered
- pretty much the whole town agrees that nero is scum cause of the RC counter
- So now you have to temporarily drop ur deathtunnel cause a red nero makes mollie look pretty good.
- But you actually know that he will flip green and can continue your deathtunnel the next day. Hence the quoted posts.

[JarJarDrinks]

hey PK, why is dwlee scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't think pisskop is actually trying to save himself right now. He's just here to throw wifom around.

pedit: wtf?

[JarJarDrinks]

seriously wtf just happened?

[JarJarDrinks]

1) you voted Titus at the beginning of Day 3, because you believe Zulfy scum-slipped. Thus, you thought Titus had inherited a scum-slot.

2) Later, Dwlee99 tries to push the Titus lynch. You ask why you should vote Titus, but you were already voting Titus (for the scum-slip/scum-slot D3 mafia-agenda theory).

3) Dwlee99 explains why, because Zulfy is scum.

4) You now have changed your tune. You then detached yourself from the Zulfy/Titus wagon.

5) He then changes his mind again:

kill titus 4me kthnx

even though he's voting dwlee.

[JarJarDrinks]

So we lynch pk and when he most likely flips scum we lynch DN?

no

[JarJarDrinks]

He's not scum and there has only been one kill per night. We can talk about DN if it gets to lylo.

[JarJarDrinks]

Roleclaim please.

[JarJarDrinks]

concerned w/ what?

[JarJarDrinks]

we can wait for the hammer I guess. but PK should still claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

Y? would anyone take it into account anyway?

translation: "It's not gonna help me avoid the noose so why bother?"

A townie puts his reads out there so after he flips, the town can look @ em.

[JarJarDrinks]

So PK is @ L-1. There's exactly 2 things that we're asking from him:

- role claim
- reads list

This is standard play for someone about to be lynched. So he gives us a read list (which btw is kinda @ odds w/ the actual reads he's had) but he doesn't give us a claim. Hmmm, I wonder why?

Obviously the reason he doesn't give us a claim but he gives us a read list is cause a claim could get him confscum'd (if he gets countered or gives bad night info) but a readlist is (mostly) safe.

He's trying to stall until the replacements show up cause he's hoping to get some VIs to replace in. He doesn't want to make a claim that could screw him before they replace in.

[JarJarDrinks]

but once again jarjar is romanticizing my play as the epitome of scum instead of recognizing it

Hey remember that time when I romanticized RCs play as the epitome of scum?

What ended up happening there again?

[JarJarDrinks]

sure go ahead and fake hammer if it makes u feel good.

[JarJarDrinks]

zzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

[JarJarDrinks]

Im not scum

Well that's a relief.

ending the day early without 2 replacements and with 1 in the middle of catching up is bad.

Like after Errant catches up and we somehow manage to get 2 replacements into this clusterfuck of a game, are we then gonna wait for their catchup too? How long do u want this day to last.

Just Fn hammer this already.


pedit: /sigh

[JarJarDrinks]

Jar's, I know its ard to act town sometimes, but try to stay with me here.

[JarJarDrinks]

If pisskop/mollie is scum I may quit mafia forever.

[JarJarDrinks]

@pisskop - what is your final roleclaim?

Can you please answer.

[JarJarDrinks]

I assume Keysor wants to make sure since he claimed vengeful @ some point and Dwlee keeps bringing it up.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't think pisskop is actually trying to save himself right now.

[JarJarDrinks]

the 2 of u could easily speed the day along

[JarJarDrinks]

Well, y?

As a favor to you? You can't be enjoying these feeble attempts @ WIFOMing when you're obviously getting lynched today. I do respect you playing to ur wincon untill the very end but it's clear to anyone paying attention that you're playing the game as caught scum and have no intention of even putting in a token effort into not getting lynched.

To spend a week in nightphase? how antitown of you

A week in nightphase is different from a week of no posts in dayphase because...?

[JarJarDrinks]

y r u so bad at mafia.

im not caught scum or I would have self hammered trashbag

lol @ "bad at mafia". All I've done on this site is catch scum. INCLUDING this game despite players like YOU doing everything possible to get in the way of it. The fact that I'm calling you caught scum should be a compliment to you cause if this is you're town game, you're one the worst players i've played with. You should be totally offended by anyone that believes this is your town game.

[JarJarDrinks]

youre bad; this lynch is nothing less than a vendetta, and you arent thinking logically.

So if you are scum, you're admitting that I'm a pretty good mafia player right?

[JarJarDrinks]

and yet here we are, youre voting me because I tunneled mollie

Don't forget the hardcore balls to the wall defense of RadiantCowbells.

[JarJarDrinks]

no townie ever did that in the history of forever.

Yet you're vote is on dwlee right now...

[JarJarDrinks]

do you think dwlee is town?

Right now I'm leaning town. If you flip green (or are vengefull scum) I'll reconsider.

or that youve done a giod job encouraging scumhunting

Of course I've done a good job encouraging scumhunting. And if someone doesn't agree w/ that then they will @ least agree that I've done a better job than YOU, who has done nothing except deathtunnel obvious town, hard defend obvious scum, and verbally assualt several people untill they replaced out.

or giving me viable alternatives

This is something that can only come from a scum mindset. Who cares if there are viable alternatives? This is exactly what I said about RC. If you're town, accept the fact that you're getting hanged and give us your reads so we can analyse em after u flip.

[JarJarDrinks]

here, I posted this for Errant when he replaced:

Spoiler:

A little synopsis:

- Lynched Dave (scum) day 1
- He told us he was in a hood w/ ur slot and DN
- DN claimed BP in the hood and Dave told the town that
- Many of us think DN could be SK. But there's only been 1 kill/night
- Nero claimed rolecop on day 2
- RC then claimed town cop so we lynched Nero
- Neros N1 check was wicked (who claimed Miller to start the game)
- We lynched RC (scum) on day 3
- Pisskop and Dwlee were very much against the RC lynch and are the 2 primary suspects today

Also, Keysor, Myself, your slot and Robsters slot were all very instrumental in getting RC lynched. And like, it was damn hard getting him lynched (mostly cause of Pisskop and Dwlee fighting crazy hard against it) so it's pretty unlikely any of us 4 are scum.

Mollie very much wanted to lynch pisskop.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Firebringer

Why are you voting for deathnote?

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't care what mollie wanted. She's not in the game anymore.

Well u should care a little.

Not saying u should sheep your slot. But you can more stock into mollies reads since you know she's town.

[JarJarDrinks]

How's the catchup going guys?

[JarJarDrinks]

also,

mod, can people get some prods

[JarJarDrinks]

what's happening rn?

[JarJarDrinks]

Cabds in a town slot. If he ends up placing a shitty vote, I'll try to talk him out of it.

Hopefully the rest of the town gets their shit together.

[JarJarDrinks]

@Firebringer

Why are you voting for deathnote?

[JarJarDrinks]

Cause Radiant said DN was the Serial Killer yo.

Why would Radiant lie to me?

are u trolling? can u please explain your vote?

[JarJarDrinks]

does anyone actually have anything to say about my catchups?
i mean, i guess it makes sense if you don't, because you wouldn't go back and read the early game.
but it'd be nice to get some bouncing of ideas here.

yeah it's kinda hard to really discuss stuff untill u catch up. All my reads are based on more recent stuff.

[JarJarDrinks]

there is no town advantage to pursuing a possible sk over searching for scum. Scum are informed but sk isn't. Unless you have a RELIABLE source for DN being sk, I don't think this lynch is good.

this x100

Seriously people get ur friggen votes off DN. HE IS NOT SCUM!

[JarJarDrinks]

@Errant

IDK how you can read everything that happend w/ the RC lynch and not have Keysor and Mollie as conftown.

Like pisskop is scum that has been deathtunneling mollie the whole game and even HE wont touch her wagon.

Dwlee is the ONLY acceptable alternative to pisskop lynch today.

[JarJarDrinks]

shut up.

you had your moment. Im open minded here, lets hear thoughts on RCs iso and peoples response to him

Was the moment where I dragged RC into a noose despite you doing everything you possibly could to keep him alive?

[JarJarDrinks]

U people must have absolutely no respect for pisskops mafia skills if you think he can have played the game he has as town.

Like doesn't town occasionally do something ya'know pro-town?

[JarJarDrinks]

U people must have absolutely no respect for pisskops mafia skills if you think he can have played the game he has as town.

Like doesn't town occasionally do something ya'know pro-town?

eww. Didnt I use that same argument on mollie?

Yes. Except instead of doing absolutely nothing protown the entire game, Mollie did everything protown. She was one of the driving forces in getting RC lynched. The only complaint I can have about mollie is how she would get rattled every time YOU attacked her. She played a pretty decent game and if town wins, she'll be part of the reason. Unlike YOU, who has been an obstacle for the town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Just face it. Your friend did fuckall right.

Not sure why you keep saying friend. I've played in one other game w/ mollie for a single day phase and that's the extent of our relationship.

She promised to do things, then didnt
She reacted like a box of melted choclate to pressure
She threw around retarded accusations
She refused to engage townies and dodged questions

What a bunch of vague nonsense. This doesn't describe her play this game. It describes the things YOU'VE been repeating over and over.

The only reas on you may have townread her is because youre used to that kind of fuckery, hunh.

The reason I townread her is cause I'm good @ mafia and could see that both FA and mollie were obvtown. Either you're bad at mafia for not seeing this or you're scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why don't we just lynch Death Note, yo?

Because he isn't scum. Can you explain why you want lynch non-scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey Dwlee. Is there anyone besides yourself that you'd actually be against lynching today?

[JarJarDrinks]

alright lets make SOMETHING actually happen

VOTE: Dwlee

that is L-1.

got a claim?

[JarJarDrinks]

I say he is town and we should lynch death note!!

Do u really not have a single scum read at all?

[JarJarDrinks]

unvote

Would still prefer pisskop. Will go back to dwlee if my vote is needed to make sure someone gets lynched today.

The one person who we're absolutely not lynching today is deathnote. Obviously we're not gonna lynch the person that flipped scum begged us to hang (I can't believe I actually have to write that).

[JarJarDrinks]

I am obviously town here the fact that I even got put to l1 is pitiful.

It's like impossible to townread u when u make posts like this. How can you genuinely believe this? What makes you "obviously town"?

[JarJarDrinks]

And like, shit like this:

Btw if I get lynched today and you guys [ignore] my reads i will actually flip post game.

WHAT READS?????

You literally made this post THE SAME DAY as the above one:

Well I have no clue who the groupscum are because I can see any slot alive right now as groupscum. So we can just kill the sk now.

[JarJarDrinks]

What makes you "obviously town"?

[JarJarDrinks]

Wow, that was quite a lot to catch up.

The impression I'm getting through the last several pages is that dwlee is scum caught for the wrong reason.
First there may have been some misinterpretation of his stance about vote hopping being scummy.
That got cleared up and he's taking heat for an opinion which goes against the grain a bit.
Having a position which is "wrong' compared to the norm isn't scummy per se, but the reaction certainly looks it.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Explain why you think this is bussing and not oppurtunistic voting. GO!

Cause this was the vote count?

Dwlee99 (5) - TheCow, Fro99er, Nosferatu, Wake88, pisskop

But notice I'm not voting 4 u right now. It feels like the votes just went on u way too quick and I still want to lynch pisskop. It's kinda ridiculous how there's nobody voting for pisskop anymore.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: pisskop

[JarJarDrinks]

bad vote is bad

idiot.

But your vote for Dwlee is good?

and yet here we are, youre voting me because I tunneled mollie

Don't forget the hardcore balls to the wall defense of RadiantCowbells.

no townie ever did that in the history of forever.

Can you please explain why you're voting for someone that did something that "no townie ever did .. in the history of forever"?

[JarJarDrinks]

Go back to Road to Rome

Bwaahaaaahaaa. I've fuggin dominated this game like I've dominated every game I've played in on this site. So far what I've seen of you this game is a deathtunnel of obvtown and a hardcore defense of scum. And a whole lot of shitposting.

How can u even pretend to insult my play when you've played so anti-town? Like if ur town, you can't actually think you've played well this game right? You're either garbage town or you're scum. Pick one.

[JarJarDrinks]

Ive played fine.

[JarJarDrinks]

yea. Were done here. Youre nothign but a troll who couldnt even do the game he favor of looking over the isos of the flipped scum. Bye

You forgot the part where I hanged scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

So if you are scum, you're admitting that I'm a pretty good mafia player right?

[JarJarDrinks]

If he flips town and I get NKd, y'all promise me you will lynch pisskop and not DN tomorrow?

[JarJarDrinks]

huh

he just called you town

[JarJarDrinks]

nah. Were killing it. You too, but damned if dumbass mcgees just laid out a path to scumwin.

Like seriously people. You think THIS^ is town? How could a path to a scumwin include lynching scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

We'll let the competent town members decide who is town.

they replaced out

[JarJarDrinks]

How could a path to a scumwin include lynching scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

We'll let the competent town members decide who is town.

Translation:

It doesn't matter what I do because all the replacements obviously haven't read the whole thread and have no clue what they're doing so I can be as obvscum as I want and I wont get lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

OK people. pisskop literally said something on this very page that could only come from scum.

He's saying that Golden Robster "just laid out a path to scumwin". Meaning that the path to a scum win is lynching Dwlee then Pisskop. He then says to Dwlee that we're lyching "you too".

Like are you guys not actually reading?

Again:
- he says that Dwlee is town and we should lynch him.
- says that Dwlee is town and we should lynch him
- Dwlee town ... should lynch him
- lynch town

And the worst part of this is his defense:

We'll let the competent town members decide who is town.

He's not even defending himself anymore. He's basically telling you all that you wont vote him no matter what he does.

[JarJarDrinks]

Golden voted pisskop though. Like I have no clue what he wwas saying because idk who dumbass mcgee is. Is it errant for voting me?

oh lol. I think pisskop read this the same way I did.

titus' slot is golden

Titus's slot is totally town yo. He's golden.

[JarJarDrinks]

@firebringer

There is one day left. It doesn't look like there's a likelihood of a deathnote lynch. Your vote on him right now might as well be written on a cocktail napkin and mailed to the north pole. It's a completely worthless vote. Please participate in todays lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

After I die you lynch deathnote. Promise me..

As long as scum is alive, nobody is touching deathnote.

[JarJarDrinks]

-_-
How will you know when there are no scum left? Just lynch him and get it over with ffs.

Fine I'll rephrase. Nobody touches DN until we lynch @ least 1 more scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

Keysor. U or me are gonna die tonight. If it's me then make sure u get pisskop lynched tomorrow. Only other choice for scum is Fire IMO

but the lynch tomorrow absolutely needs to be pisskop.

[JarJarDrinks]

Promise me you will lynch deathnote and cabd. Promise.

cabd aint scum man. DO you really believe mollie was "playing the sexism card" as a scum tactic? She was legit pissed dude.

[JarJarDrinks]

If a play:

- gets a PR lynched
- makes you obvtown cause the town should "know better"

Isn't a great play as scum?

If you're concerned about my alignment lynch me the day before LyLo.

We're not discussing the possibility of lynching me today.

I think you know that lynching you is optimal play at this point. if it is ap's fault that he put in 2 cops in a game then we can bitch at him postgame, just like we roasted prozack for designing a game where town only had 3 mislynches in play with 4 grpscum and 1 sk and weak ass specials for town.

Just forget everything I've said up to now.

Why is Scum!RC flying in to counterclaim cop then inevitably get lynched before LyLo?

Like, seriously. If you're claiming a scumread on me, address that in your next post.

And JJ, you're being 151 different kinds of a numpty here if you're town.

if you want to help town then put up a reads list. that is the correct play.

Talking with PK last night also convinced me that he was town. I don't at all see any signs that he knew Nero was going to flip town.

But seriously, Zulfy just slipped. Can we lynch the fucking slip today and maybe it flips roleblocker and we don't have to do this shit?

no we are lynching you. if you are town then I am sorry but your claim wld have been infinitely more believable if you wld have full claimed when you were lynching nero. your play looks like a botched fakeclaim.

and no, you cced nero not the other way around. you insisting that this is not true does not make it so.

[JarJarDrinks]

There's plenty more. Scum mollie didnt need to bus RC. Getting RC lynched was tough. If she wasn't pushing so hard w/ the rest of us, he may not have gotten lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

so that's obvtown but my iso isn't? K then

Not sure what urs is even saying.
post 1 - FA says she's gonna hammer
post 2 - FA says she doesn't think it's a mislynch
post 3 - FA hammers

what's the scumminess?

[JarJarDrinks]

Just promise me you will lyncj deathnote
PLEASSEEEE

I promise
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Just as soon as we lynch scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: pisskop

[JarJarDrinks]

Can we get some prods?

I need to know if I actually need to convince people that pisskop is scum here. The only other time I've ever seen it be more difficult to lynch obvscum was earlier in this game w/ RC.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yup, most of the replacements have been pretty worthless. And THAT'S the only reason you haven't been lynched yet.

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean there's so many reasons Pisskop is scum. The most recent thing should be more than enough to rope anyone:

He said that "the path to a scum win" is lynching Dwlee then pisskop. HE THEN VOTED FOR DWLEE.

[JarJarDrinks]

Firebringer is voting me and claiming that he thinks that Titus is scum here.

Of the two, he is choosing to vote the cop.

That should not sit well with anyone.

[JarJarDrinks]

I GOT TOWNCRED FOR THOSE PLAYS.

RC SCUM PLAY -> DO WHATEVER GIVES YOU THE MOST TOWNCRED.

You know what doesn't give towncred? getting town PRs lynched in a CC.

YOU GOT TOWNREAD BECAUSE OF THE POINT NOBODY COULD UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD DO ANY OF THAT GOD DAMN SHIT AS SCUM!

SAME SCENARIO NOW!!!

[JarJarDrinks]

Just doesn't feel like scum/scum interaction

[JarJarDrinks]

i see no reason for cabd and Keyser to be lynch immune.

Then ur not looking carefully enough. RC doesn't get lynched if it's not for those 2.

And seriously look @ the FA/Mollie ISOs. Those are legit emotional freakouts that absolutely can't come from scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

I admit that cabd looks like total garbage since replacing in. But that slot was towned the F up when he jumped into it.

[JarJarDrinks]

As for Keysor:

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells

Part One

I will look at RadiantCowbells' Day 3 posts later, but his posts around the Nero Cain lynch alone point to RadiantCowbells being scum.

RadiantCowbells begins the day "leaning town" on Nero due to his posts surrounding the Frozen Angel wagon (post 3024). Between this post and his eventual shift to scum-reading Nero Cain, RadiantCowbells was pushing DeathNote's lynch:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' push for DeathNote's lynch

DN is fucking scum regardless of what neighbourhood he's in.

you're scumclaiming atm.

I don't think there's a chance in hell I unvote DN for the rest of this game, yeah. Literally 180ing your PoV because someone else suggested a different possibility that makes no sense is not town aligned.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

are you interested in voting Keyser or DN with me, or do you have any other candidates that you'd like to push?

PLS VOTE DN WITH ME

PLS.

get the fuck off mollie and vote DN

and he's done absolutely nothing since then to make me think he's town.

What about DN or KS.

don't fucking hammer someone unless you flashwagon DN

Help me get DN plsssssss

[Note: I want to see RadiantCowbells flip before presenting a full RadiantCowbells-pisskop scum-team-case so I will show how RadiantCowbells is scum, and pisskop are scum individually. After re-reading D2 I would add Dwlee99's name to that scum-team too. At this time, pisskop (L-3) was the leading wagon (post 3643). Only, Dwlee99 was supporting the DeathNote wagon with RadiantCowbells (we will notice later how Dwlee99 always follows where RadiantCowbells is voting)]
So, RadiantCowbells has pushed a Death Note lynch since D1:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' D1 push for DeathNote's lynch

Literally guarantee you the dude's scum.

There's literally no town motivation for such feelings whatsoever.

Substantiate or suffocate DN.

VOTE: Deathnote

DN is sufficiently independently scummy for me to be interested in pursuing it regardless of his presence or absence in a neighbourhood.

we're lynching this.

VOTE: DeathNote

RadiantCowbells will push the DeathNote lynch with assured conviction but will jump off very easily if a better opportunity arises [1) bussing his deadweight scum-partner davesav, 2) lynching lynch-bait Frozen Angel/pirate mollie 3) lynching the town role cop].

I liked some of what you said while FA was being wagoned but you sidelining during this PK Mollie situation is scummy as fuck.

Nero Cain began attacking the much town-read fro99er (this was his mistake) - I believe scum realised this was a good time to hide behind town here, and attack their accuser. RadiantCowbells has often used his changing read and position on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's lynch against others. Now anybody who didn't want Frozen Angel's/pirate mollie's lynch is scummy.

Especially the guys playing both sides of the fence between you and Mollie. Kesyer, DN, maybe JarJar.

RadiantCowbells chooses which players look good or bad by their interactions with Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. At one point RadiantCowbells asserts that Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's wagon is town, because scum would have already hammered her... and then othertimes when he is scum reading that slot, scum-reading players that are defending that slot i.e saying that they are scum-partners. It is all contradictions - play to support the wagon/scum-reads he is pushing for that particular time i.e opportunism.

Here is RadiantCowbells' full reads on Frozen Angel/pirate mollie. RadiantCowbells has constantly contradicted himself by shifting to town-to scum-to town to fit the momentum of the wagon on her slot:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' changing read of Frozen Angel/pirate mollie

She's town here, 100%.

I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence.

She relates to me differently, she's a lot less scumhunty and more sort of calling people scum and shoving lynches through, and she gets a lot more flip-out-y with her emotional reactions.

we're never lynching FA this game.

She's town here.

I really don't see FA scum as even a possibility here, regardless of associatives.

Reread and I guess I still think she's town.

k cuz read on FA is based entirely on fucking alignment related info.

FA does all of the above as town though.

I mean it's definitely possible that she's scum, I'm not denying that.

I just hate the way people went around the wagon and its making me incredibly reluctant to vote her with people like Zulfy pushing it.

The miller shit bugs the heck out of me and I'd expect Town!FA to omgus the shit out of PK and make him her priority target, and the absence of that makes me feel that she isn't as emotionally impacted as she's claiming to be.

VOTE: FA

VOTE: FA

The fact that she immediately unvoted when she definitely knows she can't be banned for doing it stands apart from everything else.

I don't think she's town here.

I'm amazed by the lengths she's going here but she's not town.

Your mood completely changed when I stopped reacting to your over the top screaming.

Just take my word for it, I've yet to misread her.

she's scum.

I'm still leaning scum on the slot

FA's probably scum

FA's said and done crazy shit like that as scum before.

Still think she's more likely to be scum than Zulfy

alright that fucking settles it

VOTE: mollie

I'm pretty sure Mollie's scumclaimed at this point and is just trying to avoid creating any further associatives since she won't give any reads.

Look what I can't fucking understand is how you guys don't realize that if FA was town she'd have been lynched literally eons ago.

If this was town, the wagon wouldn't have stalled all day.

UNVOTE: PM

idk

yeah sorry PK but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

Most of it's just the way FA reacted out of game more than anything but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

I've been thinking about that line forever and I don't think that mollie scum would have either had or falsified a thought process that would lead to that thought being expressed like that.

And yeah, I somewhat feel the same way.

I'm kinda worried that my personal situation with FA has fucked with my judgement but like, I get it, mollie not doing anything, but idk.

Like everything says that I should be lynching this but I just got this gut feeling that it's the wrong move and I know it cuz I keep trying to think through what my reads are gonna be when she flips scum and I really can't get anywhere on that front sorta like I know this is gonna end up flipping town but yea

I actually feel way better about this game now that I'm not voting Mollie anymore.

I'm taking that as confirmation.

yea cuz I was thinking that you not getting lynched probs meant you were scum but there's so many people passively standing around not rly voting you or pushing scumreads and I'm starting to wonder if scum wants town to push this lynch through then use it as justification to push a ML onto like PK or myself who were on the wagon.

My position on pirate mollie was very clear:

Spoiler: My opinion/concern with her wagon

Keyser:
1)Is that pic of you?
2) You said the timing of my FA vote was interesting. Please explain why.

1) No, that is Jaqen H'ghar, from the Game of Thrones.
2) The Dwlee99 wagon (Fro99er, Frozen Angel, JarJarDrinks) was still in force but the Frozen Angel wagon (pisskop, Nero Cain) was still lagging behind. Your vote and scum-case provoked a raucous of reactions, melt-downs and replace outs. It still remains the leading wagon of D2.

Also Keyser if you can vote FA's slot now that'd be pretty great.

We have plenty of time for a replacement. I feel like my vote (or especially fro99er's vote) on the Frozen Angel slot will push the wagon to an early hammer. Plus, many players are sitting back (waiting to see us lynch pirate mollie? not wanting to change the focus of her slot? or if scum, waiting for the opportune time to bus... basically it needs support from the town-read players before it is considered seriously.) Do the people scum-reading pirate mollie think the people who are opposing the pirate mollie lynch are scum? are they pushing counter wagons? These are questions I'd be asking if I had a strong scum-read of pirate mollie.


Maybe come back here later too:

Ooh I almost forgot

davesaz, Keyser Söze, Aeronaut, Nosferatu
JarJarDrinks, Dwlee99, Fro99er,
Nero Cain, Zulfy, Frozen Angel, DeathNote,

RadiantCowbells, Wickedestjr,
pisskop, Wake88,
TheCow

Always scum in those scumleans.

he's my primary scumread atm.

It's the first I've heard of it. When did I become your primary scumread? Before or after where you kept flip-flopping over the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon?

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

Where did I say I think/know pirate mollie is town?
How can I be bussing pirate mollie?
I've wanted to give that slot a fair chance, but no where did I claim pirate mollie was town. That slot deserves pressure.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here,

All I ask is for someone in that slot to present their reads and not threaten to rulebreak/overreact/tunnel/get mod-killed/want to be lynched. I have been

very clear

about this. I have not town-read that slot since Frozen Angel was sat in that chair. Because of their emotional/defensive dispositions I feel like that slot has not played to its potential, therefore, we risk a miss-lynch if that slot is town. If the slot fails to contribute to the game it will be lynched/replaced. That is why I asked pirate mollie to take a step back from her defence tunnel on pisskop, breathe, and share her reads on

everyone else

.

plus his awful daves associatives.

Please highlight all these awful "associatives".

I don't like nero and now that I think your slot is town it makes me like his reaction to your wagon a lot less.

VOTE: Nero

RadiantCowbells sense the momentum on Nero Cain and now has the bakcing of fr099er (the accused) and pirate mollie (the waggoned innocent). Again, RadiantCowbells is using his new stance on the pirate mollie wagon against people to force a miss-lynch.

you're questioning everyone who townreads you why.

what's the end to you asking me why I townread you? what does my answer mean?

what were you looking for from it?

These questions serve no purpose other than to keep the pressure/focus on Nero Cain. Again, with the Nero lynch still not certain, incase his miss-lynch does not go through, RadiantCowbells has the DeathNote lynch running in the background:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' continued DeathNote push

No one is willing to vote Keyser or DN today?

Mollie, what did you think about the DN slip that I pointed out?

and yea, if DN were to happen that would make me so happy.

CAN WE PLEASE FUCKING LYNCH DN

WHY IS DN EVEN FUCKING ALIVE GUYS

I want to lynch DN a fucking billion times more than anyone else in game right now.

VOTE: DN

PLEASE guys.

Holy shit.

I wanted to lynch DN and have for days.

I'm pretty happy lynching Nero and I think this day needs to end.

We still had over 10 days left of Day Two, RadiantCowbells wants to rush his miss-lynch through ASAP. RadiantCowbells had obviously settled for either a DeathNote or Nero Cain lynch.

Don't necessarily think that was a slip but Nero's reaction to being TR was weird as fuck considering I made clear my reasons in the post where I said I was TRing him.

When is this ever scum-indicative? Plus, how does this outweigh your scum-case and strong scum-read of DeathNote? This is pure opportunism.

The way he's trying to push on Fro99er is scummy as fuck too and I get the feeling that he's just trying to move his vote somewhere safe.

RadiantCowbells well knows he can hide behind town-fro99er (the accused).

He basically called Fro99er out for using whit knighting as a trust tell, got him to get a meta example of doing it as scum, then claimed he was scum for playing to is scum meta.

This whole case was null -but RadiantCowbells will keep recycling the lie to push this miss-lynch.

nero if you're town your reads are literally the shittiest of any player I've ever seen.

if he flipped town I would literally ignore everything he has said thus far this game.

Again these points serve no purpose in scum-hunting but to keep the focus and pressure on Nero Cain. They are undermining in nature and personal attacks, that have nothing to do with Nero Cain's alignment.

I want to lynch scum today.

I'm not quite sure who is scum in the current primary lynches.

Nero's the one who I see as most likely to be scum but I'm not like positive on him so I want my guaranteed scum flip.

The pisskop/pirate mollie wagon is now officially dead, the only lynches RadiantCowbells supports is Nero Cain and DeathNote. RadiantCowbells adds an out: "I'm not like positive on him", so that he can push his other scum-read (DeathNote) later.

Yeah, I'm actually really feeling the Nero lynch now.

I could do that over DN.

The Nero Cain wagon has been given the green light by the 'townies', RadiantCowbells is now committed to his lynch.

I mean Nero's reads are like the shittiest of shit and that Frogger read especially is insanely manipulative and inorganic.

If he's actually town, he's a liability. DN's just derping around because he knows he's caught.

Nero's mudslinging all my townreads. I'm happier lynching that RN.

VOTE: Nero Cain

Having reads that "are like the shittiest of shit" is not scum-indicative. How does RadiantCowbells know which reads are good or bad? Again, RadiantCowbells is using Nero Cain's attack on strong-town-fro99er against him.
"insanely manipulative" is an unsupported accusation. "If he's actually town, he's a liability." - again, RadiantCowbells opens up the possibilty of Nero Cain being town, but now, this his lynch can still be viewed as a policy lynch. Again, RadiantCowbells pushes his back-up lynch, DeathNote.

Nero is scummy and manipulative flat out, and there's little town in his play either. He's getting lynched.

Nah, we're lynching Nero now.

He called Fro99er out for using WKing as a trust tell, then Fro99er provided evidence that he's done it as scum, then he called him scum.

Now he's voting me because apparently my scumhunting is so bad that I have to be scum this game.

My argument is that Nero's play has clear scum intent and his reads are contradictory.

This is just repetition for effect. Unsupported accusations/lies to force a miss-lynch.




We now get to Nero Cain's roleclaim. Any townie searching/pushing/looking for answers always weighs up every possibility before jumping in. RadiantCowbells shows no town-paranoia/inquisitive/doubt/curiosity (qualities you would associative with a scum-hunter) there is no logical reasoning or discussion, only narrow/quick/opportunistic conclusions. Remember, that RadiantCowbells is supposedly a 2 shot cop:

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells' response to Nero Cain's Role Cop claim:

NO THERE IS NO FUCKING ROLE COP IN THIS SETUP.

LYNCH IT.

He is not fucking role cop.

Lynch him.

I'm cop.

there's no fucking role cop in the setup and if there is it's scum.

lynch him right now.

I DONT GIVE A SHIT THERE IS NO ROEL COP IN THIS SETUP

there is no fucking role cop in a setup with me

shut the fuck up

just shut the fuck up

I checked Aeronaut last night who died unfortunately which fucked us.

There's no cop and role cop in one setup.

One more thing, let's also take a step back for one moment: RadiantCowbells visited Aeronaut N1. Aeronaut dies N1.

[TL;DR]
1) opportunistic play
2) insincere scum-reads
3) insincere town-reads
4) using the D2 scum-led Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon to force misslynches and scum-reads
5) his reaction to Nero Cain's roleclaim
6) hiding behind wrongly-accused townies
7) no pro-town motivation in his approach to the Nero Cain wagon/lynch/roleclaim
8) repeating unsupported lies to miss-lynch Nero Cain
9) Undermining Nero Cains through personal attacks
10) lynching/scum-reading on pre-flip associations via his ever-contradicting reads

THIS IS NOT TOWN

I will later look at his Day 3 posts in

Let's lynch RadiantCowbells: Part Two

. Coming to a bookstore near you!

Next up... why Zulfy/Titus is town.

Not much more needs to be said than that.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not sure what your point is? RC was going to get lynched so pushing on him and creating a large case isn't that hard. I'm glad he was so adamant about it but I would have bussed the shit out of RC as soon as that cop flipped town.

Lol. So then what do you make out of pisskop defending the fuck out of RC?

[JarJarDrinks]

So yeah, I think JarJar pointing out how town you were for pushing a lynch on already dead scum was pretty scummy.

Lol. I shouldn't have had to say anything at all. That's just one of the many reasons that anyone paying even a little attention to the game should need to know that Keysor is as obviously town as a person could possibly be.


Also it took FORTY FUCKING PAGES to get RC lynched. I agree that it should have been an easy lynch, but it wasn't. Stop pretending like RC getting lynched was a foregone conclusion.

[JarJarDrinks]

Why can't we lynch DeathNote?

Is:

Cause he's not scum!

Too simple of an answer for you?

[JarJarDrinks]

also pie sucks.

[JarJarDrinks]

[JarJarDrinks]

I think if there's still one more scum left, it's Robster

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd like to hear Deathnotes actual real claim if we're gonna believe he's not the SK.

[JarJarDrinks]

Fuck you moron

wtf is this for?

[JarJarDrinks]

I still town

liar

[JarJarDrinks]

I hope weve all learned to stop following jarjar

alright, I'll play along.

Who should we lynch tomorrow?

[JarJarDrinks]

7 days to deadline.

PK already hammered himself.

[JarJarDrinks]

pisskop flipping red = scum robster

[JarJarDrinks]

@jarjar why were you on the dwlee wagon? I'm still scrolling up and down with the replacements.

Cause Dwlee made a really suspect post including what looked like a slip @ the time. And my strongest townreads pretty much agreed w/ me.

I was always very much against Dave also throughout all this.

see page 42

[JarJarDrinks]

I think I'm in favor of a massclaim @ this point.

@ the very least, I want deathnotes claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

[JarJarDrinks]

I predict Fire tells us he jailed Robster last night

[JarJarDrinks]

I predict Fire tells us he jailed Robster last night

what makes you say this?

cause Robster is scum and there was no kill last night.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Robster

- Scum didnt shoot into a BP claim
- Scum didn't decide not to attack
- Scum didn't attack Robster (They're shooting into a much more town-looking slot)

Only logical explaination for the missong kill is Robster was the attacker.

[JarJarDrinks]

Isn't it slightly convenient that everybody you've listed off has claimed VT.

But he claimed BEFORE almost everyone else claimed. If he was scum, he'd be taking a huge gamble that he doesn't get countered.

[JarJarDrinks]

He claimed PR but refused to give results out BEFORE everybody else had claimed.

False, he claimed PR. THEN he said he was impatient and claimed JK before anyone claimed their roles.

The only thing he waited on was giving out his targets.

[JarJarDrinks]

Can we discuss errant as a possible lynch as well? I dislike how limiting we're being here.

Well errant was in the hood w/ mafia. That's a pretty big point in his favor.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd like to protest my innocence before somebody hammers.

1. Someone did shoot me and I was jailed.
2. They shot DN.

I'm not sure why these options should be ignored but w/e.

Claiming VT again.

what happened to:
3. Fire is scum and is fakeclaiming



Like you specifically went out of your way to point out how convenient it was that he waited till after the claims to tell us his actions. Why mention that if not to imply he's scum?

[JarJarDrinks]

the only thing even remotely making me think it could be town is Zulfy's replace out

UNVOTE: for now. This just reminded me about how RC faked a redcheck on Zulf. Want to reread some stuff

[JarJarDrinks]

OK since that all happened AFTER RC countered to get nero killed, I dont think we can read too much into it since RC may have already just assummed he was getting lynched.

I think this post from day 1 makes the Zulfy slot look pretty bad.

Some music to set the mood

Frozen Angel is scum

Frozen Angel has done very little (effective) scumhunting, excusing the scumvibes she's been giving off to her personality and emotional state. Bunch of bullshit.

The one coherent defense in her favor came from her good old buddy RC, aggregated in JJD's post:

Spoiler:

RC, tell me again how this was town frozen.

Yeah, so you've just proven by asking that question that you don't understand her meta at all.

Her AtEs as scum frozen are absolutely terrible and see through and basically ignorable and she avoids pressure by bogging everything down in lengthy arguments and focuses on defending herself hyper logically while spending more time throwing out accusations than doing any sort of analysis.

She's town here, 100%.

FA can't ate this effectively as scum.

That's the end of the discussion, basically.

Try reading the Netherspite mafia in Coney Island where she flipped out exactly like this when I pressured her.

No, the one with Netherspite as the mod.

Textbook FA town.

Well, that's your prerogative.

I'm positive she's town right now though.

I've played more games with FA than anyone else on site and have yet to misread her.

Keep that in mind.

I've also actually been scumpartners with her, so I know how she operates as scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64156

Does this look like her scum game at all?

Scum FA is very rigorous and gets really invested into the logical side of things, somewhat similar to my own scum game in that she tries to leave a trail for all the shit she does but she basically doesn't AtE, at all.

As town she's really AtEy and it's hard to follow her cases as a logical sequence. This is absolutely the latter.

She did AtE like once in 37 but it was one of her scummiest lines of the game because of how poorly done it was.

I can't see her pulling off this rage thing effectively as scum at all, not against me who is particularly good at seeing through fake rage. (See: making the AFB scum team forfeit in 167 with my fake cop claim on scum)

Pretty okay meta defense yea?
Here's the thing tho, RC this is where you come in:

I think you're scumFA's buddy.

Now this makes complete and utter sense to me. A scum RC tells a scum FA to ham up her playstyle and he'll just convince town that hey, that's just FA being FA, whaddayagonnado? It's

meta

, man.

The fuck is with people and citing shitty meta defenses for their play?

Good question RC!

FA gets kinda flustered with the heat she's been getting tho, sorta resenting the plan RC has strongarmed on her.

I'm not your blind follower RC.

Complete and utter sense to me.
So my suggestion is to lynch this girl, see how she flips and then lynch RC accordingly.

He's calling RC scum that is defending his scumbuddy FA. But he pushes for a FA lynch. I'm still very much townreading the FA/mollie slot. So I basically feel like this is designed to make RC look good once FA flips.

like this quote in particular:

So my suggestion is to lynch this girl, see how she flips and then lynch RC accordingly

Is just so bad now that we know RC is scum.

VOTE: Robster

[JarJarDrinks]

Why jail errant? If you want to hit someone in the hood, wouldn't i be a better target?

Why would you be a better target?

[JarJarDrinks]

Because I'm the accused sk, not him.

But you're NOT the SK right? So how is you recommending yourself for detainment gonna help the town?

[JarJarDrinks]

i'm fine with ending day here

[JarJarDrinks]

GG Y'all.

What happened w/ the Molllie+Titus simultaneous replace-out?

Also Dead and Scum thread please

[JarJarDrinks]

is there a dead thread ?