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Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.
MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.
He was town.
I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.
Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.
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Not sure how I feel about certain players.
MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=63181 - Game where he got speed mislynched in a style that this reminded me off, setting off alarm bells.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=63200 - Game where Mario is actually scum.-
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In post 195, Shinobi wrote:That davsto post was kinda scummy tbh.
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In post 194, Grib wrote:'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.
I mean it's more "Mario was lynched in a style awfully similar to this and this doesn't remind me of his scumgame" but sure, simplify it so you can make it look bad.-
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Well then you're probably not reading carefully enough.In post 201, Grib wrote:In post 198, Davsto wrote:In post 194, Grib wrote:'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.
I mean it's more "Mario was lynched in a style awfully similar to this and this doesn't remind me of his scumgame" but sure, simplify it so you can make it look bad.
I'm not, that's literally how it comes across.
In post 193, Davsto wrote:Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.
MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.
He was town.
I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum.I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.
Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.
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Not sure how I feel about certain players.
MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.
Unsure where to go next.
I didn't comment directly on the surprising similarity of the wagon, but I'll make a good bet right now that MarioManiac4 is town.-
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In post 340, Aj The Epic wrote:Dave is an interesting case
Umm... thanks?
Shiro may or may not be town: while the obvious sheeping seems like something scum would want to avoid, it would have been weirder for her not to have done it, considering that it's exactly what she did under basically the same circumstances in Pun Mafia.
Dwlee seems kinda scummy (the "I basically agree with everything Elyse said" comment bugged me at the time but I didn't say anything), but it just seems too easy. I know it's always a cop-out answer to give, but it is.
RC? Now RC is bugging me. His reason for voting Titus - along the lines of "you haven't said I'm scum and voted me yet you always do" - basically sets it up so that if Titusdoesdecide that RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote (also, RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote), it'll look bad on Titus when she starts pushing, as RC can just go "oh, so now I find it odd you're not scumreading me, you've started scumreading me? Hmm..." A sort of Morton's Fork. This bugs me.
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This is a bit of a false dilemma. Keeping my eye on you.-
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In post 362, Dwlee99 wrote:Not sure if it's scummy to have 3 posts as an ISO.
I mean, if you're potentially leaning towards 3 posts being scummy, why do you - rather oddly - ignore people with 1 post (pistach)? Seems a bit odd to focus on the former.-
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In post 364, Titus wrote:
How is this a false dilemma at all?
Rather than exploring the options, he forces it into a choice between Mario and Dwlee, thus making justifying his vote on Dwlee a lot easier. It's creating the idea of it being a choice between Mario or Dwlee, when it's... really not.-
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In post 367, Titus wrote:In post 366, Davsto wrote:In post 364, Titus wrote:
How is this a false dilemma at all?
Rather than exploring the options, he forces it into a choice between Mario and Dwlee, thus making justifying his vote on Dwlee a lot easier. It's creating the idea of it being a choice between Mario or Dwlee, when it's... really not.
He's not forcing anything though...
He is though? To himself.
I know I'm bad at explaining, but I'd have thought you'd get the gist by now.-
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In post 393, Grib wrote:I don't like his vote
I hate when people go "I don't like X" but don't, you know, give a reason why. Do you have a reason why?-
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In post 422, Titus wrote:@Dave, I am wagoning you, why you ignore me?
On the priority scale:
Scumhunting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titus' slightly odd reason-less wagon on me-
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In post 426, Grib wrote:In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
Let's see if that's the case here!
What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?
Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).-
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In post 424, Titus wrote:It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.
Proof plz or are you just gonna say things and hope they'll be true eventually?-
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Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.In post 427, Grib wrote:In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
-townpoints for only responding to this part, btw.
In post 431, Titus wrote:In post 429, Davsto wrote:In post 424, Titus wrote:It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.
Proof plz or are you just gonna say things and hope they'll be true eventually?
Quoted reasons.
I meant, you know, show where I'm "buddying" and "not scumhunting". Jeez.
Still came out unscathed after a full-on Titus tunnel, point still stands. RadiantCowbells trust in his ability enough to not be scared.In post 432, Titus wrote:In post 428, Davsto wrote:In post 426, Grib wrote:In post 421, Davsto wrote:In post 419, Grib wrote:Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.
And... town never vote town?
Let's see if that's the case here!
What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?
Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).
He only came out unscathed by causing massive amounts of drama, painting my read as just sour grapes and making sure everyone ignored me after I wasn't playing.
Man, scumreading me for making jokes. Wish that was the first time I'd seen this.In post 433, Titus wrote:You open by stating a statement you know isn't true (implied Titus is always scum) then buddying while ignoring me.
Again, show the buddying. Also, considering I've replied to at least one of your posts (even if it wasn't regarding your wagon on me) isn't ignoring you. Also, it seems awfully demanding for you to expect me to constantly talk to you even if you're not directly addressing me when there are a good 18 players.
In post 419, Grib wrote:And boasting about being undefeated scum also feels like something town would do, because. They don't care about looking bad for bragging about how great they are at being scum (as that could prompt other people to doubt their townread on them in this game).
RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.-
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In post 438, Titus wrote:Your entire ISO is buddying not scumhunting. None of your posts have anything that intends to sort anyone Dave.
Why?
In post 197, Davsto wrote:In post 195, Shinobi wrote:That davsto post was kinda scummy tbh.
I mean is there an actual reason or is it just for daring to contradict the easy wagon?
In post 216, Davsto wrote:
Well then you're probably not reading carefully enough.In post 201, Grib wrote:In post 198, Davsto wrote:In post 194, Grib wrote:'Mario was mislynched once, therefore he probably isn't scum' doesn't work by itself.
I mean it's more "Mario was lynched in a style awfully similar to this and this doesn't remind me of his scumgame" but sure, simplify it so you can make it look bad.
I'm not, that's literally how it comes across.
In post 193, Davsto wrote:Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.
MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.
He was town.
I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum.I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.
Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.
UNVOTE:
Not sure how I feel about certain players.
MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.
Unsure where to go next.
I didn't comment directly on the surprising similarity of the wagon, but I'll make a good bet right now that MarioManiac4 is town.
In post 349, Davsto wrote:In post 340, Aj The Epic wrote:Dave is an interesting case
Umm... thanks?
Shiro may or may not be town: while the obvious sheeping seems like something scum would want to avoid, it would have been weirder for her not to have done it, considering that it's exactly what she did under basically the same circumstances in Pun Mafia.
Dwlee seems kinda scummy (the "I basically agree with everything Elyse said" comment bugged me at the time but I didn't say anything), but it just seems too easy. I know it's always a cop-out answer to give, but it is.
RC? Now RC is bugging me. His reason for voting Titus - along the lines of "you haven't said I'm scum and voted me yet you always do" - basically sets it up so that if Titusdoesdecide that RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote (also, RC is being scummy as fuck with the awful excuse for a vote), it'll look bad on Titus when she starts pushing, as RC can just go "oh, so now I find it odd you're not scumreading me, you've started scumreading me? Hmm..." A sort of Morton's Fork. This bugs me.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
In post 363, Davsto wrote:In post 362, Dwlee99 wrote:Not sure if it's scummy to have 3 posts as an ISO.
I mean, if you're potentially leaning towards 3 posts being scummy, why do you - rather oddly - ignore people with 1 post (pistach)? Seems a bit odd to focus on the former.
In post 397, Davsto wrote:In post 393, Grib wrote:I don't like his vote
I hate when people go "I don't like X" but don't, you know, give a reason why. Do you have a reason why?
WOW YES LOOK AT ME NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS WOW
Jesus, Titus, you're better at Mafia than this and you know it.-
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Why not?In post 448, Frozen Angel wrote:Ice queen order : let put some pressure on Davsto. his latest posts are not good.
Ahh, not scumhunting, by doing things such as questioning people's actions, stating the odd townread and even finding something I fin scummy and voting based on it.no this posts are not showing your try to scum hunt.
I didn't do that? I merely said that I am fully aware that Titus can play better than this. That's... not calling her a newb. Borderline the opposite, I'd argue.I don't like the way you call the one accusing you noob
> makes point about all I've been doing is buddying and followingand seriously , the only thing is in your posts is buddying and following. the only push you did was against RC
> follows it up by immediately mention some scumhunting I've done, neither buddying nor following
I know what RC is like. Please pay attention and look to see that my reason I find RC scummy is, which I don't like ... because its RC! and RC is always like this ....nothing to dowith typical RC traits, rather than assuming I think he's scum because of them.
Also, once again, apparently I'm the one buddying, after you make a post which is literally parroting every goddamn thing Titus has said. Nice one.-
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It wasn't really relevant to me. I'd already explained my vote, and was wondering why you considered my vote to be bad, so I asked. You answered by saying you thought RC was town. While you proceeded to explain why you thought RC was town, again, that was irrelevant to me; it wasn't the question I asked.In post 453, Grib wrote:In post 435, Davsto wrote:Minus townpoints for only responding to the part that explained why you thought I was scum - the answer to the question I asked btw - rather than the bit explaining why RadiantCowbells is town. Riiiiight.
Responding to the part that explained why I thought RadiantCowbells might be town was relevant, no? I was interested in discussing the mindset behind the vote, not whether or not you yourself were scum.
In post 435, Davsto wrote:RadiantCowbells always brags about their play. It's hardly alignment indicative.
Alright, let's try this: do you already think he's scum, or are you trying to figure him out?
I am trying to figure it out but as you can see I often take a rather backseat approach to scumhunting; rather than hugely talking to them about literally everything, I'll tend to watch them but not make a huge deal out of it, since people tend to react differently when they know they're under interrogation than if they think they're just interacting normally. Plus, interaction really isn't my forte, and I find me doubting myself and getting paranoid a lot of the time (the amount of times that I have a first feeling that I follow a bit but then I doubt myself and search elsewhere only to find my first feeling was right is starting to get irritating).-
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In post 455, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 451, Davsto wrote:
Why not?In post 448, Frozen Angel wrote:Ice queen order : let put some pressure on Davsto. his latest posts are not good.
because their not
I don't get what you mean here. I analysed something and found it scummy. What's up with that?In post 451, Davsto wrote:
Ahh, not scumhunting, by doing things such as questioning people's actions, stating the odd townread and even finding something I fin scummy and voting based on it.no this posts are not showing your try to scum hunt.
you didn't pressure the one you found scummy. you just assumed it.
pedit : let me talk!
Why?In post 451, Davsto wrote:
I didn't do that? I merely said that I am fully aware that Titus can play better than this. That's... not calling her a newb. Borderline the opposite, I'd argue.I don't like the way you call the one accusing you noob
ok change what I said to what you said. I don't like it anyway.
But surely that means your accusation regarding me only ever buddying and following is less, you know, accusatory?In post 451, Davsto wrote:
> makes point about all I've been doing is buddying and followingand seriously , the only thing is in your posts is buddying and following. the only push you did was against RC
> follows it up by immediately mention some scumhunting I've done, neither buddying nor following
you were buddying and following unless about RC ... (that was hard to understand?)
Last I checked, RC purposefully making a Morton's Fork where he leaves the target trapped whatever they do isn't his usual gist.In post 451, Davsto wrote:
I know what RC is like. Please pay attention and look to see that my reason I find RC scummy is, which I don't like ... because its RC! and RC is always like this ....nothing to dowith typical RC traits, rather than assuming I think he's scum because of them.
Also, once again, apparently I'm the one buddying, after you make a post which is literally parroting every goddamn thing Titus has said. Nice one.
I can't see why you think RC is scum. your points are the thing I think its all are habits of regular RC.
Does buddying someone require them to be accused? Being nice and kind and pandering (buddying up to) to one of the generally considered stronger town players in a game is a thing that scum do. Rather often.and I buddying titus hahaha sure. is she accused? what I'm buddying of? I'm just pressuring you to see how you will react and this wasn't townish at all...-
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In post 459, Frozen Angel wrote:so your agreed the only place you really tried to push is RC? that doesn't seem like a desperate town trying to solve the game.
Expecting me to solve the game about 4 days after it's started? Talk about demanding.
...please give me all your reads sir. about every player in game individually.
We're 19 pages, 4 IRL days in. I don't have a read on half the players. The majority of the other half I have very shaky, barely-reads on. The minority of that half I have reads on I've already said.
Multiple players have post numbers under ten.
And you expect me to make a readslist?
I started off thinking "you're expecting a bit much from me here" and then Christ did it escalate.
Early game, I look for little things. I look at the smaller picture - small things that catch my eye, little things that people do. I don't even consider the bigger picture (making readslists of allllll the players, even having good reads on all the players) until at least several game days in, and sometimes I don't get around to that at all.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that making readslists isn't my style usually. Early on? Fuck no.
PEdit @Grib: I think my wagon is bad and largely founded on points I've mostly disproven. Titus' vote is weak, but I'm currently unsure if she's scum for it, Shiro's shameless sheep is entirely not-alignment-indicative, your vote is probably the most justified, and Frozen Angel is making me have to physically resist typing her name within vote tags.
Pedit Pedit: You're... not a fan of yourself? That's somewhat sad.-
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Why do that? I focus on single scum at a time. Giving plenty of reads just lets scum know if I've got my eye on them. Giving only relevant reads is necessary in my opinion; scumreads if I'm interacting and pushing them, and townreads on people who I feel are being unnecessarily wagoned/scumread, such as poor little MarioManiac.In post 468, Titus wrote:@Dave, you can give reads on the active players. Second, even one post is enough to form a read sometimes. Give reads on who you can.
So obvtown I got lynched in both of them. Also, I'm fairly sure I spent both of those games focusing on singular scum rather making readslist on every player I could. Also, you know of more passive towngames of mine, such as Secret Alt 2 and Dead of Winter.In post 474, Titus wrote:Dave has been obvtown leader in Nether's game and Loth.
I think she meant specifics on buddying, such as quotes of me buddying, which you still haven't done.In post 475, Titus wrote:Dave isn't scumhunting. You cannot give specifics about what doesn't exist. :-p-
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In post 492, Titus wrote:See Dave, you can get a read from three posts.
No, Titus.Youcan get a read from three posts.-
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In post 496, Titus wrote:In post 494, Davsto wrote:In post 492, Titus wrote:See Dave, you can get a read from three posts.
No, Titus.Youcan get a read from three posts.
Why won't you tellus what reads you have?
In post 477, Davsto wrote:Why do that? I focus on single scum at a time. Giving plenty of reads just lets scum know if I've got my eye on them. Giving only relevant reads is necessary in my opinion; scumreads if I'm interacting and pushing them, and townreads on people who I feel are being unnecessarily wagoned/scumread, such as poor little MarioManiac.-
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And LotHT? And so what if the setup was crazy in Dead of Winter? I was still town and I still played passively.In post 497, Titus wrote:In Nether you were setup spec lynched by the entire scumteam, not based on play. In dead of winter, my setup was crazy. :-p
Oh for fuck's sake.Your entire ISO is buddying trying to warm up to people and be defensive. No effort to sort. Still.
Show actual proof I've been warming up.
There is blatant effort to sort when I've fucking said that Mario is town and I've fucking said that RC is scum and I've shown fucking inquiries into what people have fucking said
you are blatantly lying to find excuses and making up little rubbish to scumread me to see what sticks and you're making me hella paranoid because that's exactly what you did in Netherspite and I want to think you're town because I can't see both you and RC being scum together but I don't know any more
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WhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyIn post 507, Firebringer wrote:
Then gamblers fallacy.
You have been scum in past games, therefore you are scum in this game.
Titus did the actual problem but this post is easier to post - holy selective meta Batman! Because I was town in Netherspite and am not behaving exactly as I did in Netherspite, I absolutely must be scum here! Even if I have towngames which vary and are similar to this! Christ on a bike.In post 512, Shiro wrote:@Lady Titus
Shiro has gathered all game relevant Dav posts from Nether game for you convenience ^_^
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So now having vague townreads is buddying? Fucking hell.In post 541, Titus wrote:In post 193, Davsto wrote:Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.
MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.
He was town.
I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.
Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.
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Not sure how I feel about certain players.
MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.
Unsure where to go next.
Mario wagon sucks but everyone's town. I like everyone. Like me too.
Now this must be buddying, questioning someone's suspicion of me and potentially starting to paint them in a bad light for i- wait a secondIn post 197, Davsto wrote:In post 195, Shinobi wrote:That davsto post was kinda scummy tbh.
I mean is there an actual reason or is it just for daring to contradict the easy wagon?
Please don't have a reason to scumread me. Look I objected to the major wagon so I gotta be town. Never mind I am saying everyone's town.isn't that literally the opposite of buddying?
Changing my avatar to something silly for a joke is buddying. Riiiiiigggghhhht.In post 219, Davsto wrote:So anyway I decided to join in on the Annie avvie fun
Obvious buddying. Look I am like everyone else with my Annie avatar.
Need I go on?
General feel around this point,, RC is likely town.
Ongoing game reads. They're like meta butIn post 577, Titus wrote:due to ongoing.worse
I don't think I've ever seen this used against scum. Seriously.In post 588, Frozen Angel wrote:get to defensive too soon is a scumtell
Also, oh Christ, fluff, fluff, fluff, it's coming from everywhere like the game is a teddy bear falling apart.
Towniness from Grib here - stopping fluff to continue the game will always be townread by me, I admit, but it's surprisingly reliable.In post 611, Grib wrote:In the interest of cutting through all this fluff,
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I can get behind this. Plus, I like the people voting for him. Except for AJ, kinda, but nobody's perfect.
There's... quite a lot of people disagreeing with my lynch. Exactly how many scum do you think are in this game?In post 662, Titus wrote:In post 658, Shiro wrote:In post 651, Firebringer wrote:In post 635, Shiro wrote:Lady Titus can we form a grand wagon on Zympx?
Explain why Zympx.
Because he needs pressure. He is an absolute zero in the game so far.
Not yet.People scrambling to counter Davesscum makes me feel like he's more likely to be scum.Plus his choice and reasons will be valuable. If he doesn't post, he'll be replaced.
Selective metaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Okay, fuck this shit. Like, actually fuck this shit.In post 698, Titus wrote:
That is an RVS vote by scum on me in another game. Said player then claimed it was a joke.
In post 569, Blackest Magick wrote:To be honest I almost never understand vote count analysis. I've only understood it when reading the hidden temple game since it was obvious with how it was scum vs molla and all scum were on molla. I find vote count analysis confusing usually and I guess xtoxm thinks titus would use it to her advantage. xtoxm probably finished another game with titus elsewhere where titus used VCA to her advantage and xtoxm was thus trying to get back at her during rvs
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BM was scum in a game I just finished. One head of the hydra voted me in RVS because I was a threat and rightfully called out on it. When called out on it, the other head walked it back saying it was ribbing me.
Dave makes a vote based on me allegedly being a threat. He then claims joke.
Don't think so.
Many times scum fear monger me. Not today.Now, the game she links, she selectively chooses someone who was scum because they joked about something and then made it serious later. Not to mention the fact that mine was obviously a joke (hate of gambler's fallacy and all), and that I haven't actually made it serious yet (and never will). These are nothing compared to the worst part of this.Even if you ignore the rest of this post for whatever reason, read this shit because it is important as hell.
Click on that link.
Go on.
Scroll down a bit.
Do you see a post that catches your eye?
How about this one?
See this? This was literally in the same fucking game, this guy was town, and basically said what I said. But no, she picks the example that allows her to paint me as scummy as possible.
This is why,
VOTE: Titus.
I know this post has been Titus-centric, but she has posted the most stuff that catches my eye. I just don't feel that anyone who would provide the meta thing from Magick and remember it so well to use it to compare to me to show how I must be scum would miss the post literally 9 posts down that comes from town in the same situation (RVS!) making the same sort of joke (Titus is always scum lol) is town trying to think about if they're right or not in any way.-
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And mine... isn't clearly an RVS joke? Considering my known hatred of gambler's fallacy, you think I would be even close to being serious by making a vote on you in what is fairly obviously RVS territory regarding your reputation for often being scum?In post 734, Titus wrote:Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep.
I also mirrored town very similarly that you had seen.Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen.
How I RVS: pick a name from the playerlist I can say something silly about them, or just pick a random name. I find it amusing that you think me happening to choose you has any sort of ulterior motivation.Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS.
And me, who modded a game calledFirebringer has that sort of jokey personality.PUNMafia, all aboutPUNs, and who is also known for makingPUNs and the like isn't? Alright.
I find it amusing that you're describing exactly what you're doing; pigeonholing. You use the example that can paint me as scummy whilst ignoring one that doesn't allow you to paint me as scum - the RVS joke vote on you because "when aren't you scum"/"you're always scum". The fact that you don't even look at it tells me you aren't even trying to consider your thoughts on me - you just want me lynched because I'm an easy target.You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.
"You whine about me doing X, but let me tell you something completely unrelated that you're not doing so you can just forget about my first point".You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature.
Damn, you got me. I'm not trying to solve the game by reconsidering my vote on RC and putting it on you for perfectly good reasons, I'm obviously just trying to discredit you by pointing out how your logic is flawed.Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.
Can we also talk about Titus' slight case of backpedalling? How earlier she acted as if my buddying was the biggest factor in me being scum, then not actually showing any buddying from me until after at least 3 or so players bugged her for it, and then when that's called out as not being buddied she acts as if my RVS vote was the biggest reason that I must be scum all along.
What is there to say? "Someone I don't really have a read on has a scumread on someone I don't really have a read on. I got no read from this." I comment on what I find important, because focusing on what's important massively reduces distracting rubbish like that would end up being. Someone thinks someone else is scum? Why should I care, I've found scum myself!Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.-
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I'm really sorry, but after mocks and having very little sleep the past couple of days, I never got around to catching up on what I missed in this game. I'd like to make a big catchup post, but my next available time where I may be vaguely awake will be around three hours before the deadline, and at that point, it's honestly not worth it. Thus, I promise that Iwillstart tomorrow with a big catchup page. No bullshit, no excuses.-
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In post 1576, Shinobi wrote:In post 1575, Davsto wrote:I'm really sorry, but after mocks and having very little sleep the past couple of days, I never got around to catching up on what I missed in this game. I'd like to make a big catchup post, but my next available time where I may be vaguely awake will be around three hours before the deadline, and at that point, it's honestly not worth it. Thus, I promise that Iwillstart tomorrow with a big catchup page. No bullshit, no excuses.
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I think there's a good chance of both of you being scum, yes, from your individual behaviours.
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I have a scumread on pistach as well. Apparently I'm scum because I don't explicitly state every single one of my reads I get from a big post. The post took a while to make, surprisingly enough, and pistach wasn't one I remembered that much because I was really fucking tired.
Also, what is this post? Because I'm not townreading him, I get a snarky comment and a dirty look?In post 1698, Dwlee99 wrote:Oh, I'm not town, dave?-
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In post 1841, Dwlee99 wrote:In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/X.php?p=7481317#p7481317]post 1793[/url], Davsto wrote:I have a scumread on pistach as well. Apparently I'm scum because I don't explicitly state every single one of my reads I get from a big post. The post took a while to make, surprisingly enough, and pistach wasn't one I remembered that much because I was really fucking tired.
Also, what is this post? Because I'm not townreading him, I get a snarky comment and a dirty look?In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7479430#p7479430]post 1698[/url], Dwlee99 wrote:Oh, I'm not town, dave?
If you dont town read town you are scum.the dirty look and snarcky comment are for added effect
IIRC there was that one post that bugged me a little, enough for it to stand out to me to quote it. I can't get a decent townread from you.In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7481942#p7481942]post 1842[/url], Dwlee99 wrote:^ he lists reasons I am town in his wall in the spoiler but doesnt conclude I am town ~~-
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The thing about what I see as a potential scumslip (as I say, it's quite small so idk), I'd have ignored it if she did it once, but she's done it a lot.
In post 839, Titus wrote:Dave AJ Elyse is where I am at currently
In post 948, Titus wrote:In post 947, Dwlee99 wrote:Well they arent saying it so thy are scum. c'mon. *choochoo*
Now wouldn't be the time to say it.
Dave Elyse AJ. I want them.
In post 958, Titus wrote:In post 957, Dwlee99 wrote:Pistachio isn't a policy lynch.
To me, he is. Dave Elyse and Aj are scum lynches.
In post 1109, Titus wrote:In post 1107, Grib wrote:No single wagon toDay has had more than six votes, when the necessary needed to lynch is ten. I think this suggests a scumteam that's timid, overly-careful, new, or lurking.
Or a low charisma scumteam that cannot push a counterwagon to scum but is better at defending and wking.
Dave Elyse AJ.
In post 1316, Titus wrote:In post 1313, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus, if you are right about pistachio I will sheep you tomorrow (within reason ofc♥
You're only voting Dave AJ or Elyse if I die and they aren't cleared.
In post 1622, Titus wrote:Neither of those are smart moves. The only reason Pig is wagoned is because not AJ/Dave/Elyse
Does anyone else see it?In post 1881, Titus wrote:Dave Elyse Espy sounds good as Le scums
For some reason, whenever she looks for a potential scumteam, she (almost, see below) always lists three players. Me AJ Elyse. Me Elyse Espy. Her first post she said "so far I have", but by the last few, it looks like she thinks that's the entire scumteam.
My question is, why is she looking for a 3-player scumteam in an 18-player game? In my experience, they almost always have 4 scum. Something's telling me Titus knows something.
Only problem is the below post, which is an exception, as it's the only time she lists four players.
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I want the vig to shoot Davesto who gave nothing protown under pressure and has avoided this thread since his wagon dissipated.
Davesto AJ Elyse MM4?
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Seriously, (with the exception of Firebringer who is wrong but justified), does anyone on my wagon have a decent reason that isn't Titus' excuse for a reason?
Apparently I'm "acting similar to her as scum have done in the past".
What this means, considering what she's actually shown, is that "I joke RVSed her using her reputation for drawing scum as a joke". She cited a time scum did it, I cited a time town did it, yet she still acts like it's scummy?
And, like, even if there's more, it's meta, which is shaky at times anyway, but she's not even using my meta. She's usingother people's metasto read me. I feel like there isn't any need to say why this is awful.-
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I have successfully done both throughout the game. Your argument fails on so many levels all the time, it's actually hilarious.In post 2112, Titus wrote:
I already found scum, you.In post 2109, Davsto wrote:You also feel zero need to scumhunt.
No... mine was pretty obviously a joke, being RVS and all, also for the irony of me "using" gambler's fallacy which I hate. The fact that you don't see it as an "obvious joke" is your problem, not mine. I should be insulted that you think that wasn't a joke and that I'd actually use that seriously to scumhunt.Fact is, Firebringer context was obvious joke. Yours wasn't.
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And is there a reason I should be lynched other than you not wanting to be lynched? Anyone that should be lynched because you think they're scum?-
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In post 2191, pignash wrote:Characterizing me as whining isn't really what I'm doing. I'm expressing frustration that I'm an easy mislynch. I am fairly sure story's is town and she thinks Dave is scum so I am willing to go with that. I was ISOing Heat yesterday cuz something seemed off but nothing jumped off the page as "I'm scummy!"
Confusion.
You're willing to go with someone who you think is town (story's? Who's that?) but not someone you know is town (Elyse)? Why's that? Do you have any reads of your own?-
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In post 2193, pignash wrote:Shiro I don't have a good handle on.
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