NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

Firebringer · Post Post #53 (isolation #0) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:29 am

In post 4, Shiro wrote:FIRST

VOTE:FIRE

TALE THAT

Don't do this Shiro, I love you ;(

Firebringer · Post Post #55 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:29 am

In post 45, Shiro wrote:Shiro could see Fire in the distance.

"No...This is my spot you hear me" Shouted fire but it was too late. Shiro flashed a snarky smile.

"Too late fire..hehehe." Shiro proclaimed victorious since the first spot has been conquered.

I would always share my spot with you Shiro <3

Firebringer · Post Post #81 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:01 am

SHIRO! ACKNOWLEDGE ME ;(

Firebringer · Post Post #90 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:25 am

Shiro, you are awesome sauce.
No, who shall we vote for?

Firebringer · Post Post #92 (isolation #4) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:45 am

In post 88, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm looking into possibly OMGUSing MarioManiac here. Should be pretty gr8 if I decide upon it.

Okay....

Firebringer · Post Post #95 (isolation #5) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:55 am

I will follow Titus, because Davsto is evil!
VOTE: Davsto

Firebringer · Post Post #100 (isolation #6) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:02 am

In post 91, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Mariomaniac
OMGUS, ACTIVATE!

DEACTIVATE YOU FOOL YOU WILL DESTROY US ALL

Firebringer · Post Post #105 (isolation #7) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:39 am

RC is probably scum again. We gotta lynch him.

Firebringer · Post Post #112 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:00 pm

Hey RC, you get that thing I sent you?

Firebringer · Post Post #114 (isolation #9) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:04 pm

In post 113, RadiantCowbells wrote:No, I didn't.

Where are the things being sended to me!?!? giving please

#References
#Annie
#Hashtag

Firebringer · Post Post #118 (isolation #10) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:12 pm

In post 115, RadiantCowbells wrote:I STILL DON'T SEE ANYTHING BEING GIVEN TO ME.

RAAAAAAAGH! ANNIE SMASH!

You know, that thing I sent you.
Did you get it?

Firebringer · Post Post #120 (isolation #11) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:17 pm

In post 119, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't watch Adult Swim much, sorry.

LIAR!!!

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

For lying to me!

Firebringer · Post Post #122 (isolation #12) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:19 pm

In post 121, RadiantCowbells wrote:Firebringer, you need to change your avi to Annie pronto.

But I bringer fire.

And I am cuddly dragon.

Toothless is perfect for me.

Firebringer · Post Post #133 (isolation #13) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:46 pm

RC, if you were scum. What would you do Day 1? Do nothing?

Firebringer · Post Post #135 (isolation #14) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:51 pm

Impressive. You are not to be trusted, as either alignment I have picked up on.

Firebringer · Post Post #142 (isolation #15) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:16 pm

FA, what is your favorite role in the game.
Hint: this is a trick question.

Firebringer · Post Post #149 (isolation #16) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:33 pm

In post 121, RadiantCowbells wrote:Firebringer, you need to change your avi to Annie pronto.

Annie meld completed.

Firebringer · Post Post #153 (isolation #17) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:50 pm

What I read "off the table because I like them"

I approve, even though I am not on it.
I support a D1 Firebringer Policy Lynch.

Firebringer · Post Post #155 (isolation #18) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:54 pm

In post 154, Espeonage wrote:respect =/= like

Elyse shits me, doesn't mean she don't get shit done.

Where is that RVS vote tho?

Firebringer · Post Post #161 (isolation #19) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:15 pm

In post 159, Espeonage wrote:
Vote: Grib

I approve of this vote.

10/10.

Firebringer · Post Post #163 (isolation #20) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:45 pm

In post 162, Grib wrote:Mm, Espeonage is going to be one of those 'edgy' players, then.

lol 'edgy'.
Its more like he isn't a sheeple willing to blindly believe someone is obv town 7 pages in.

Firebringer · Post Post #165 (isolation #21) » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:48 pm

In post 164, Grib wrote:That's nice, Firebringer.

Plan on doing anything relevant soon?

I would like your thoughts on Davsto and RC.

I don't know if that qualifies.

I want to lynch one of these two today

Firebringer · Post Post #199 (isolation #22) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:09 am

In post 175, RadiantCowbells wrote:Firebringer's the same age as you, you dolt.

He considers himself young tho.

Firebringer · Post Post #200 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:10 am

In post 193, Davsto wrote:Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.

Toothless will be back, but right now. Its annie avatar month!

Firebringer · Post Post #202 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:12 am

Grib want to be friends?

Firebringer · Post Post #207 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:30 am

In post 204, Frozen Angel wrote:FB can you share your reads so far?

I don't have strong opinions on anyone right now.
Mostly town reads.
No one is jumping at me as scum yet, maybe davsto.

I like your new avatar btw.

Firebringer · Post Post #210 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:41 am

In post 209, Grib wrote:Also, I'm obviously not 100% sold on MarioManiac being scum. But I can't change my mind if he doesn't do anything to change it. His initial responses were bad and he hasn't posted since the wagon on him formed.

For the moment, the pressure stays.

Most of this is scummy man.

MarioManiac isn't scum, but I bet one person on his wagon is.

Firebringer · Post Post #212 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:44 am

In post 211, Grib wrote:Keep going.

Elyse or Dwlee99 or both.
Thats what I am thinking.

Firebringer · Post Post #218 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:03 am

hmmm maybe davsto is town.

Firebringer · Post Post #228 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:11 pm

In post 227, RadiantCowbells wrote:Oh my god all the Annie avis.

I'm dying here.

I am the one true annie.

Firebringer · Post Post #234 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:56 pm

Lets stop talking about league of gayboys.

Firebringer · Post Post #236 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:59 pm

In post 235, RadiantCowbells wrote:Do you agree to my bet, yes or no?

I have never played league of legends ever.
The game style sucks.

Firebringer · Post Post #239 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 238, Fro99er wrote:Please do not use language like this. It is against site rules and against my rules. This is a last warning.

Site rules:

None of that was offensive.

Firebringer · Post Post #241 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:26 pm

*flashbacks to my previous new york game*

Yeah....not fun.

Firebringer · Post Post #244 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:49 pm

In post 242, Titus wrote:Shiro I has cookies. You want a cookie? Vote Dave.

Titus, how you doing?

Firebringer · Post Post #247 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:52 pm

In post 246, Titus wrote:By the way, were you Oklahoma in the recently finished game on sc2?

Lol yes.

Firebringer · Post Post #248 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:55 pm

Who were you? Cause I have no clue

Firebringer · Post Post #251 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:58 pm

You were FM Vermont.

Firebringer · Post Post #252 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:00 pm

That is funny Titus, both Frog and Helz. Who I talk to and play games with on a regular basis were like "I knew who you were" and I was like "no you don't

"

They both guessed wrong, but you were right.

Firebringer · Post Post #254 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:04 pm

I did?

Firebringer · Post Post #256 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:10 pm

Do you actually think Dav is scum or you just putting pressure on him?

Firebringer · Post Post #263 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:20 pm

In post 258, Shiro wrote:Must.....resist Urge to.... serve... lady Titus for cookies

Why doesn't Shiro serve miser fire? ;(

Firebringer · Post Post #267 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:40 pm

In post 264, Shiro wrote:Shiro tamed the great dragon back in pick your poison. Those events have made it impossible.

Firebringer can't be tamed.

He can be cute and cuddly when Shiro pets him:

Firebringer · Post Post #272 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:27 pm

In post 268, Titus wrote:Fire, let's be Painbringer. Double voting masons.

RC, I think I can read you well enough.

I would, but I kinda get the feeling your buddying me.
No way you already are town reading me.
Thats insane even for you.

Firebringer · Post Post #282 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:02 pm

In post 277, Titus wrote:Shiro and FB, your favorite 3 roles please? :-p

Roles. Good....

Sheriff, Cop here I guess.
Jailor, no good equivalent here >.> Jailkeeper sucks!!!!
Watcher.

Firebringer · Post Post #283 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:04 pm

BTW titus, wouldn't mind helping you design that GoT game to come over here

Firebringer · Post Post #288 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:09 pm

In post 286, Titus wrote:>.> is your signature in the GoT game BTW.

No.
I never put that signature there.
I have to update my wiki on here tho.

Firebringer · Post Post #293 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:13 pm

In post 290, Titus wrote:Sorry. Context fail. I meant it's your calling card and how I died you as Oklahoma.

Whats my calling card? I am really confused lol.

Firebringer · Post Post #296 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:17 pm

I should be asleep.

Firebringer · Post Post #299 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:18 pm

Ohhh god RC, will you stop your stupid tunneling.

Firebringer · Post Post #316 (isolation #50) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:27 am

me and shiro will forever be allied.

It is our destiny.

Firebringer · Post Post #345 (isolation #51) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:37 am

In post 341, Aj The Epic wrote:Also fire, you didn't answer if you had Titus as town.

Not positive on that yet.
She townreads me early, but she also did that in the Blitz and it makes me worried.

Firebringer · Post Post #346 (isolation #52) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:38 am

In post 326, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 298, RadiantCowbells wrote:
Like, in a year, no one has managed to lynch me as scum.

You're aware of this.

You're saying that you're okay letting me somewhat lurk in the background and not making an immediate attempt to push or sort me?

...So we should lynch you to break this?

Grib, your entire argument of "You think I'm scum but we're voting together" can be ended with the word 'busing'.
As for fire, it doesn't matter what he posts. My concern isn't reading people who're relatively easy to figure out. My concern will be RCB, Titus, Esp and Shiro (simply because I've never played against her). I think this is my fourth game with Fire and I'm fairly confident with reading him.
Lastly, 'attacking' vs 'figuring things out' isn't really relevant. They're basically one in the same and only semantic differences at that point.

@Mario
Dwlee will show himself relatively easily if he's scum. Probably within a day or so. There's also the misrep of 'agrees again'. Looking at the case, you specified exactly what he was agreeing with. There's nothing 'sheeping' about it. That's not really a buddy case either unless it were to be incessant. However, you brought it up far too early for it to really show anything to us.

Fire, do you have Titus as town?

Firebringer · Post Post #380 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:30 pm

In post 378, Heat wrote:I'm not sure what I think about the Titus/RC spar thing there. neither of them really strike me as scum, but at the same time I'm not sure I get a TvT vibe from that exchange.

I think these two always do it, and it honestly makes me think worse of RC than Titus.
Titus just doesn't want it and RC pushing for confrontation that isn't going to happen.

Really really stupid stuff.

Firebringer · Post Post #381 (isolation #54) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:32 pm

In post 331, Shiro wrote:@Titus
Whatever lady Titus wishes to give : O

I wish to gain the loyalty of Shiro too

Firebringer · Post Post #382 (isolation #55) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 359, Titus wrote:I was saying I really liked FB. I wasn't being defensive though. *shrug* I can read FB but he's naturally paranoid of an early townread on him.

That's why I said sort me.

Theres definitely some things I can see as you being town. But I don't want to put you as town yet....I haven't been the best at reading you as of late.

*remembers legends of hidden temple*
*parts of kingmaker*

Firebringer · Post Post #384 (isolation #56) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:41 pm

In post 383, Dwlee99 wrote:What is the scum motivation for saying I was going to post a VCA? Tell me.

To look productive but your not actually being productive?
I don't know, I am forcing one here and this isn't directed at me

Firebringer · Post Post #405 (isolation #57) » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:54 pm

In post 388, RadiantCowbells wrote:So Firebringer, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

I think Titus is scum and she won't engage with me. You think I'm scum for trying to force her to engage with me so everyone else can see how scummy she is.

How the fuck do you work that out?

How about you push and look for someone else and not tunnel?
You are going to waste the day focusing on Titus I can already tell and I want you to cut that shit out now.

Firebringer · Post Post #503 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:18 am

Titus tunneling.
Classic Titus.

I want a donut, not a cookie for joining this.
VOTE: Davsto

Love you davsto, but you have been awfully defensive instead of actually hunting.

Firebringer · Post Post #507 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:20 am

In post 504, Davsto wrote:Defensiveness is not a scumtell

defensiveness is not a scumtell

Then gamblers fallacy.

You have been scum in past games, therefore you are scum in this game.

Firebringer · Post Post #509 (isolation #60) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:21 am

In post 506, Shiro wrote:She was tunneling sala and then metal to death in LotHT and she was scum there. Your point ?

Its a pretty null tell for her.
Until she massively defends a player, we shouldn't be worried. Well, we can be extremely worried until then.

BTW Shiro, will you be my mason buddy this game?

Firebringer · Post Post #511 (isolation #61) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:28 am

Cookies are just for Shiro?
Rude.

Firebringer · Post Post #636 (isolation #62) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:54 pm

In post 627, RadiantCowbells wrote:I wonder if Firebringer has been learning some tricks from me.

I'm getting a dark suspicion that I need to be saying something here.

If anything you learned from me

Firebringer · Post Post #637 (isolation #63) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:55 pm

Milady Shiro, how are you this fine evening?

Firebringer · Post Post #641 (isolation #64) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:01 pm

I made Shiro a wiki page.
Everyone go post stuff in there!

Firebringer · Post Post #646 (isolation #65) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:05 pm

If your arguing over who has the best annie avi, its me.
No contest.

Firebringer · Post Post #649 (isolation #66) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:08 pm

In post 647, Frozen Angel wrote:Paradox Annie is my sis. she is flaming hot just like my other sis lina

I'm a frozen angel myself

what were you referring too?

So, you and your sister get along?

One is cold, one is hot. Doesn't sound like you two would mix well.

Firebringer · Post Post #651 (isolation #67) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:09 pm

In post 635, Shiro wrote:Lady Titus can we form a grand wagon on Zympx?

Explain why Zympx.

Firebringer · Post Post #655 (isolation #68) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:14 pm

Those don't look like annie at all.

Firebringer · Post Post #678 (isolation #69) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:57 am

VOTE: Titus

You know exactly why Titus >.>

Firebringer · Post Post #680 (isolation #70) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:24 am

Radiant, I give you permission to tunnel Titus.
She must be purged for he recent transgressions.

Firebringer · Post Post #682 (isolation #71) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:27 am

Don't try to reason with my anger right now.

I legit can't trust you right now.

Firebringer · Post Post #683 (isolation #72) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:30 am

You buddy me everytime you are scum.
I am getting the pattern now, I know now that I can't trust you.

Firebringer · Post Post #691 (isolation #73) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:43 pm

Drunk Titus would tell me who her scum partners are.

Firebringer · Post Post #700 (isolation #74) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:40 pm

In post 696, Titus wrote:Oh I finally have a game to document where I read you right as town FB. :-p

You don't gut read me.
Ever.

You are just scum all the time, thats how you know >.>

Firebringer · Post Post #743 (isolation #75) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:54 am

This doesn't seem like scumDavsto response to pressure, it seems like annoyed townDavsto.

@Shiro It was a game best left unspoken, for it was complete and utter troll. Town won though.

Firebringer · Post Post #801 (isolation #76) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:31 pm

The return of toothless!

Christmas edition.

Firebringer · Post Post #810 (isolation #77) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:35 pm

Shiro, is just copying me.

Shiro jelly cause Toothless christmas is cuter.

Firebringer · Post Post #816 (isolation #78) » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:08 pm

In post 815, RadiantCowbells wrote:Anyone wanna take bets that this setup is multiball?

Ill take 20 on that.

Firebringer · Post Post #819 (isolation #79) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:11 am

In post 818, Espeonage wrote:100% I already posted the maths on why there at least 6 scum.

Where?
Quote it to me.

Firebringer · Post Post #822 (isolation #80) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 1:44 am

It means two scum teams.

Mafia Team (3 players)
Werewolf Team (3 Players)

Most likely scenario if it is multiball.

Firebringer · Post Post #867 (isolation #81) » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:03 am

Titus would look extra scummy with that coat

Firebringer · Post Post #967 (isolation #82) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:06 pm

In post 964, Shinobi wrote:I hate just about every single person in this game right now.

I hope you hate me the most.

Firebringer · Post Post #969 (isolation #83) » Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:10 pm

In post 968, Shiro wrote:Where is your Christmas spirit Fire >:/

I am wearing a christmas hat, is THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU!

Firebringer · Post Post #1139 (isolation #84) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:14 am

My mind is completely not in this game.
I have missed like last 10 pages, what is the major cases on everyone?

I am lazy.

Firebringer · Post Post #1253 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:11 pm

How dare you call Shiro a liar!!!

Firebringer · Post Post #1255 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:58 pm

In post 1254, Titus wrote:Thoughts on wagons fire?

Most of them suck.

I have yet to ISO Aj or really look into him so he is null, might be willing to vote that.
Pistachion I like just because he def doesn't feel right. But then heat is on that, and I don't care for heat. On bright side Dwlee and Shiro strong town reads on there.

Your wagon.
I cant form opinions on you. They are nearly always wrong or bad I think. Some games I think I get you right and others just....ugh.

I have yet to see new VC but that was as of yesterday I think? Ehh

In summary: Aj meh, Pistachion yay!, you >.>

Firebringer · Post Post #1278 (isolation #87) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:50 am

Hey Titus want to join me?
VOTE: Pistachion

All the cool kids are doing it.

Firebringer · Post Post #1280 (isolation #88) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:58 am

Me and Shiro are cool though.

Firebringer · Post Post #1556 (isolation #89) » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:11 pm

V/LA till Wednesday.

Firebringer · Post Post #1637 (isolation #90) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:43 pm

Aj lynch is better than no lynch.

Sorry man, but you haven't given me a strong town read on you. Otherwise I would fight this.
VOTE: Aj the Epic

Firebringer · Post Post #1733 (isolation #91) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 1731, Titus wrote:All scum, by definition, make up their scum reads. Saying reads are made up is circular.

Why is he scum?
Because his reads are made up.
Why?
Because he is scum

Circular logic.

You have to show why his reads are made up. The assertion is not enough.

And you are guilty of confirmation bias all the time Titus lol.

But I will vote with you today.
VOTE: Davsto

Firebringer · Post Post #1735 (isolation #92) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:13 pm

In post 1734, Titus wrote:It's odd you think I am confbiasing but vote Dave.

I actually think Dav is scum, but not for most of the reasons you have stated.

Firebringer · Post Post #1737 (isolation #93) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:17 pm

In post 1736, Titus wrote:What are your reasons then?

Mostly relying on past games with Dav when he was scum, he was more quiet and only reactive when pushed.

Kind of like here, I know he is busy in RL but I still think he is scum for it.

Firebringer · Post Post #1770 (isolation #94) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:12 pm

In post 1748, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think Elyse is scum.

Who thinks Elsye is scum?

Firebringer · Post Post #1774 (isolation #95) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 pm

In post 1773, Titus wrote:Firebringer, you know what I want for Christmas? Your reads and you to have a shiny town pm.

I think you secretly want a piece of the toothless

Thats a bad Titus, you are married!

I do have a town role pm, I just don't have a reads list for you at the moment.

Firebringer · Post Post #1776 (isolation #96) » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:40 pm

In post 1775, Titus wrote:Can you make one for me?

I wanna be mamma hen to everyone.

Just for Christmas, I will put that on my shopping list just for you

Firebringer · Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:21 am

In post 1704, Nero Cain wrote:What makes you think Titus is town?

You honestly shouldn't be pushing Titus.
Your reasons are lackluster so far.

By the way @Shiro What you thinking so far Shiro, we haven't talked much in this game and that makes me a sad panda ;(

Firebringer · Post Post #1781 (isolation #98) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:12 am

In post 1780, Shiro wrote:Shiro Nov 29, 09:14pm Dec 17, 10:05am 0 days 3 hours 99

99 posts and in the top posters. Kk fire.

I mean me and you haven't had much personal interactions this game.
Not that you haven't posted >.>

Firebringer · Post Post #1783 (isolation #99) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:37 am

In post 1782, Shiro wrote:You are free to engage me fire :p

I just want to say Hi Senpai Shiro!!!!

Firebringer · Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:11 pm

I can't give all my reads right now cause I am busy with family and stuff...still think we should lynch Dav.
But most of this is a prod dodge.

Firebringer · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:40 pm

Reading Titus is like reading anyone else except opposite day!

Firebringer · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:45 pm

In post 2025, Drixx wrote:Gut is worthless. Its only value is that it brings to your conscious attention something that your unconscious mind has picked up. Unless you go find some actual reason, then stop with this nonsense. You blew your role on literally nothing.

Except for that sometimes you predominantly get feelings and later search for reasons that gave you feeling even when that wasn't true.

Happens in human psychology all the time. The truth is we don't always know why we think the way we do and you saying we can find out such I think is bullocks.

You can say 'Gut' is worthless, but how much is it really? Just because you can't understand it? That seems like you not doing enough on your own to understand the player IMO.

In summary: Gut is valuable.

I hate the people who like to pretend to be just rational/logic individuals.
Its really boring.

Firebringer · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:47 pm

In post 2069, Aj The Epic wrote:Oh damn I seriously wonder why Aj might be on a MM wagon when it's either MM or Aj getting lynched. Let's think about that one.

Survivalism is as much a town trait as a scum one. So.....lets go with you were scum being survivalistic.

I like that more.
How you doing Aj?

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:22 am

Elysee top 3 reads are mostly meh to me.
I don't see them as strong either way, Dav leans more scum to me than any way town.
Can't say much for espeonage or pistachion definitely not being strong pressence, but that could be town easily.

We should still lynch Davsto.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:50 pm

In post 2085, Drixx wrote:That's why I said anyone who talks about "gut" needs to figure out what their "gut" is telling them. I get "gut feelings" all the time ... but unless I can support them with some evidence or apply logical reasoning ... there's no way I'm going to lynch someone because I have a "gut feeling" but cannot discern what that feeling means.

You are missing my point.

In trying to figure out why you are getting a feeling you may misinterpret and attribute it to something that was not.

This is called Mis-attribution of arousal and happens in real life all the fucking time.

Asking someone to explain why they feel a certain way is an easy way for them to attribute it to something that had nothing to do with it.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:09 pm

In post 2088, Shinobi wrote:Will someone please explain to me why it's so hard to lynch pignash?

Because you are pushing it?

And you aren't as loud and obnoxious as titus (I mean that as a compliment Titus)

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:16 pm

In post 2090, Shinobi wrote:Is there supposed to be a specific implication behind that statement or is there another reason as to why you aren't doing so?

I think Dav has stronger chance of flipping scum right now than pignash. Though I wouldn't mind lynching pig either.

Implication though? You need to be loud sometimes to get stuff done.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:20 pm

In post 2093, Shinobi wrote:Is there any quantifiable reason as to why you think Dave is more plausible than pignash?

I know Dav better than I know Pignash.
Played more games with Davsto than Pig.

This could be Pigs scum game, but I feel more confidant this is Davs scum game.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:22 pm

In post 2095, Shinobi wrote:Because?

Davs scum game is weak.
He has a bad time looking like he is scum hunting and thats what it shows from his posts up until this point.

I know he was busy in RL which is why I wasn't pushing it much Day 1 but he definitely only seems interested in survival as scum than finding any scum.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:08 pm

In post 2099, Titus wrote:Both of whom?

Davsto and pignash.

Firebringer · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:02 am

In post 2133, Espeonage wrote:OMFG. IT IS MULTIBALL BECAUSE CONFIRMATION AND MATHS AND THE BASICS OF MODDING> BEEN OVER THIS A FEW TIMES> PLEASE READ> PLEASE PRETTY PLEASE WITH A NOOSE ON TOP.

And I'm not deflecting at all???? If anything I am jumping in the way of the metaphorical projectiles.

None of this confirms a multiball.

I never heard of this 'unspoken' rule. So I guess it truly is unspoken.

I am also doubting it being a multiball even though you keep saying it is.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:32 pm

Meep I am a lazy sheep right now, is leading wagon Pig?

Cause that works for me.
VOTE: pignash

Firebringer · Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:32 pm

Merry Lynchmas.

Everyone lynch Pignash for the ultimate present to him

Firebringer · Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:21 am

In post 2395, Titus wrote:Look at the wagoners on pistachion. All look town. Pistachion hasn't pushed any of his own scumreads at all. My scumreads defend him and hop onto (or were originally on) the opposing wagon. Given the amount that pistachion hasn't delivered, the resistance to lynch is astounding.

So how is everyone on pistachion town again?

Dwlee yeah, Grib ehhh not solid on him.
Pignash? Explain how pignash is town.

Titus I am divided on you atm.

Firebringer · Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:54 pm

Just got done with travelling and back at home.

Will post more content soon enough, patience my dear friends.

Now how about a lynch on PIgnash!!!

Firebringer · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:34 pm

I thought Pisatchion got hammered?

BTW, I still don't like wagon on Pistachion. Mostly cause I don't think Titus is right about this.

Firebringer · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:50 pm

In post 2525, Titus wrote:You know what you could try to do if unhappy about Pistachion...a Dave vote.

You think we can get a massive train swing on there in a day and a half?

I am down:
VOTE: Davsto

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:16 pm

In post 2642, Grib wrote:If there is a Vig, however, Firebringer and Heat are both excellent shots.

Why do players do this?

I hope I get shot and killed, I don't want to play in this game anymore.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:17 pm

I am not going to even bother reading to see how many votes are on Davsto for a lynch:

VOTE: Davsto

That could be hammer, I don't care.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:24 pm

In post 2657, Shiro wrote:But but but fire D: Then you will be dead ;~;

Yeah, thats kind of the point.

Not enjoying this game, and think Grib scum read of me is complete shit.

If we do have a vigi, can I ask that he seriously shoot me.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:48 pm

In post 2661, Frozen Angel wrote:how did you conclude that?

He is making up stuff as he goes along.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:51 pm

In post 2663, Grib wrote:He acted similarly then: pouting, saying he doesn't want to play anymore, being grumpy at me.

Go to hell.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:52 pm

In post 2663, Grib wrote:Do you have to do this every single time I point out that your ISO is more fluff than gamesolving?

I explained my scum read on Dav, and I said I didn't want to lynch Pistachion.

I am sorry I don't agree with the majority on 90% of the things in this game like you have been doing.

Good for you on the majority bandwagon on EVERYTHING.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:54 pm

In post 2666, Frozen Angel wrote:That's not alignment indicative like at all.

This is actually true, me acting out and doing AtE isn't alignment indicative.

Shows how weak his scum read on me was though, that he switched because I am getting al ittle pissed.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:00 pm

I want to take the book of "anti town" actions and do every single one of them until I get vigi or lynch.

Lets see what I gotta do:

Line up lynches---Ill come up with a list.
Opportunistic push anyone---Gotta work on this. I guess Davsto is a good opportunistic push if he is town.
Don't post much content---Hey I got this one nailed
Don't post much.---I could post less

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:01 pm

Guys lets lynch in this order:

Davsto, Grib, Titus, Heat, Pignash, Frozen Angel, Etc. Not putting Shiro anywhere in there, I like Shiro.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:03 pm

In post 2678, Frozen Angel wrote:FB that's not helpful like at all. why do you scum read me?

I am not, I am just trying to be anti town.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:05 pm

In post 2680, Frozen Angel wrote:BE TOWN then

I am always town, except for those games I am not town.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:07 pm

In post 2682, Frozen Angel wrote:Last time you said this you were mafia with RC remember?

I was scum with RC?

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:08 pm

ohhhh right, the role madness game. Fun game.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:12 pm

You know what? I think I know the exact scum team.

Nero Cain, Espeonage, Davsto, Heat/Pignash

Think about it.

That is my final answer, I want credit for this shit if at least 3 out of 4 is right.

Now to wait for post game to see if I am right...

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:13 pm

In post 2687, Frozen Angel wrote:forget that. whats your read on Grib. what do you think about the case I just made on him? whats your read on heat? whats your read on me?

Grib is ridiculous town. This is his town game unfortunately, he is just annoying as hell.

Heat could go either way, no experience with him, I don't like majority opinion on him, but he hasn't been giving me strong feels either way.

You are definitely town, I shouldn't say this though from reading some games were players have called you definitely town and were burned, but thats how I feel.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:20 pm

In post 2695, Frozen Angel wrote:Can I sig that?!

Sure, I just hope you aren't actually scum in this.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:25 pm

I am kinda thinking Davsto isn't posting cause he knows he is getting lynched and doesn't care, and thinks because of his weird meta of him getting lynched he will still end up winning lol.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:29 pm

Cool, I ended this day chat.

I like that

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:38 pm

In post 2702, Dwlee99 wrote:Firebringer, are you copying my reads?

I copy everyones reads.

No, I came up with that by just looking at alive player list and seeing who isn't that stand out-ish. I figure those are likely scum.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:07 pm

Plot twist, Shiro lies to me.

And now I am a sad dragon.

Firebringer · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:30 pm

I am psychic, I was told so by someone in the future.

Firebringer · Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:08 am

In post 2717, Davsto wrote:I can't wait to see everyone go insane tomorrow after my flip

And I'll just be chilling in the dead thread~

You going to flip werewolf?

By the way, sorry dav ;( I will miss you.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:41 am

I can't post anything till tomorrow, my internet is out because my apartment flooded >.>

Firebringer · Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:49 pm

Pignash or Heat is a good lynch for today imo

Going with Pignash though;
VOTE: Pignash

Also, why can't scum just kill me already. >.>

Firebringer · Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:07 pm

Fine we can lynch heat first.
VOTE: Heat

This game has slowed down so much.

Firebringer · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:04 pm

So I guess that confirms Heat as scum.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:05 am

Wow, I am still alive.
Of course.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:15 am

Pisskop is Frozen?
Well Frozen was town, therefore Pisskop is town.

I am good at induction.

Can scum pls kill me tonight?

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 2910, My Other Head Is Scum wrote:
In post 2908, Drixx wrote:Thank you whomever did that kind thing for me during the night.

Erm ... I'm town. Like obvtown super hard (even though Elyse is still mad that I thought she was scum before she got conftowned).

Espeonage has been pinging me for days. I will get back to the computer later tonight and re-read the spots where it really made me the most suspicious of him and try and show why.

How are you super town?

Elyse and Pisskop, theres my super town team.
Everyone else is meh.

Mine

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:44 pm

In post 2912, Espeonage wrote:Hi, I have an important night result.

Drixx is town. I am saying he is 100% confirmed.

Y'all gonna ask me to claim and someone had to go kill Shinobi so that's fucking wonderful. I am a JOAT. Neighbourize I used on Shinobi N1. There's a few clues. we both started defending each other out of nowhere because neither of us ended up dead. Shinobi townread me and I didn't get night killed after claiming, thus showing him to also be town. I used my Doctor on Shinobi N2. I roleblocked Frozen N3, the commute claim was sitting iffy but after the two kills I figured I was being paranoid. And lastly Gunsmith on Drixx, where I got the result that Drixx has no gun.

So, what does this mean.

I am p certain that the town players left are Myself, Elyse, Drixx, and Shiro. That makes everyone else mafia. I am k to lynch whichever of them we think is most likely to not be Copenhagen.

This is already wrong cause you said I am mafia lol, how much fail is that.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:48 pm

In post 2916, Espeonage wrote:Are you not?

Nope.
Think again man. I am 100% town.

Wish I was mod confirmed by death, but w/e.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:03 pm

I want to lynch Pignash right now, but something is stopping me right now, and I don't know what.

......I can't explain it, I am thinking it might not be pig.

Firebringer · Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:05 pm

This game died, with 0 conversations going on.

Hey what is everyones thoughts on Nosferatu, right now?

Firebringer · Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:08 pm

In post 2932, pisskop wrote:Im kind of mad you turned out to be scum in blitz 16

Lol, I killed you because I didn't want to try to mislynch you pisskop <3 Cause I love you buddy.

Firebringer · Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:43 pm

I don't know, I thought if pig was scum, I would be dead right now.
Cause I was pretty adamant about lynching pig yesterday.

What you thinking?
Esp is town. You are town, Elyse I am still leaning town. Apparently Drixx is conf town too.

That leaves:
Shiro, Pignash, Nosferatu

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:15 am

In post 2946, pignash wrote:But I believe that town bloc doesn't include me and I'm town. There's a reason Titus gave me a pass without much from me.

What kind of logic is that?

VOTE: pignash
Screw my gut, it doesn't know shit

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:33 am

Now you think it us nos?

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:38 am

In post 2952, pisskop wrote:Is piggy scum for PoE?

So is nos.
How do we know 2 yet? It could be SK

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:50 am

In post 2954, pisskop wrote:Yea, 2 factions.

Ive seen piggy as scum and he lurksacked it up.

He is doing that here.
You are getting me paranoid that he is your partner.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:50 am

In post 2955, pisskop wrote:Y piggy over nos?

Because you are making me nervous.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:53 am

In post 2959, pisskop wrote:Thats terrible. Feel ashamed

I am always ashamed, but call me crazy but I feel you are defending pig with this vote on nos.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:13 am

In post 2963, pisskop wrote:what do you think of Shiro's claim?

Weird and confusing

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:26 pm

This nos train came out of nowhere.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:29 pm

In post 2976, Shiro wrote:Well he did just cc Espeonage bro

That not totally out of nowhere.

True. Also, Shiro, what the hell have you been doing this whole game?

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:31 pm

In post 2978, Shiro wrote:What do you mean?

I mean your cop claim and all that.
It was odd and doesn't make sense.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:32 pm

I think Nos is at L-2?

Firebringer · Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:04 am

In post 2983, pignash wrote:Fb, do you think shiro and espe are pulling a gambit here to vote out nos?

I don't generally like this nos lynch, seems scum motivated but w/e scum never will kill me and I am bored.

VOTE: Nosferatu

If there is another scum team we are done for town.

Firebringer · Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:38 am

Nope, guess again.

Firebringer · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:15 pm

In post 2996, Drixx wrote:I am with Elyse on this one. I'm thinking Fire. Pig is reading town to me.

How the fuck is pig reading town to you?
I mean, its fair to say that I am not obv town. Even though by VCA I am pretty much town.

How is pig town at all though? For real.

Firebringer · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:19 pm

In post 3002, Espeonage wrote:Because he confirmed his role on Drixx.

What?

Firebringer · Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:29 pm

In post 3004, Espeonage wrote:Ok. Between Fire and piss. Lean on Fire from my block on piss. So Piss can't be an SK.

Pedit: Are you reading the thread? Pig claimed yesterday as Backup socialist and Drixx said he got an ability so I am figuring that clears pig.

Reading is for plebs.

Is Pisskop really SK? I don't believe it!!

Firebringer · Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:40 pm

Why does everyone seem to be a TPR but me?
This is annoying.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:46 am

In post 3027, Elyse wrote:Let's assume there's a serial killer.

That means that everyone except for the serial killer is town.

The only people roleblocked last night were pisskop and Shiro.

Drixx claimed to roleblocked pisskop, so pisskop couldn't have roleblocked Shiro.

This means pisskop is not the serial killer because a townie who roleblocked Shiro would have owned up to it. If the SK somehow had roleblocking abilities, pisskop wouldn't be able to use them.

This means that Shiro was either a) roleblocked by the serial killer or b) is lying and is part of a second group scum.

I find a to be very unlikely so I'm thinking Shiro is scum.

Someone show me if I'm wrong.

This all sounds legit.
Starting to think Shiro = Group scum.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:16 am

I can no longer trust master shiro:

VOTE: Shiro

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:21 am

In post 3040, Shiro wrote:FB Don't fucking tell me you are the scum >.>

I wish.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:32 am

In post 3046, Shiro wrote:You and FB are scum and so is someone else with you.

Really Shiro? You going to do this flailing?

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:39 am

In post 3049, Shiro wrote:I am not flailing I am trying to anylise what happened.

It is the only logical conclusion since I cannot see town you siding with pisskop like that.

I can see other conclusions, like you are scum.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:47 am

I don't know, I don't think too often.
UNVOTE:

This game, why coudn't scum just kill me days ago.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:06 am

In post 3058, Elyse wrote:We need to massclaim.

Espeonage - JOAT (1-shot neighborize, 1-shot doc, 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot gunsmith)
Drixx -
pignash - Backup Socialist
Firebringer - Vanilla Townie
pisskop - Even Night Commuter
Shiro - Cop
Elyse - Innocent Child

Am I missing anything

Everyone is a god damn power role.

Wait, Elsye is IC?
What?

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:35 am

I really hope its a SK, if this is multiball and wasn't announced I am going to be irked.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:31 am

In post 3081, Elyse wrote:Did FB claim

I already claimed Vanilla Townie.

Firebringer · Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:33 pm

In post 3101, Elyse wrote:Ok so either scum roleblocked Shiro or Shiro is lying.

Also the fact that only Drixx and FB are vanilla is odd. I'm not sure if I buy a town cop and a socialist and a backup socialist and a doc and a JOAT.

How is this odd? I think more people here should be VTs, the number of power roles kind of is telling me its more likely this is a multiball going on.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:19 am

We should lynch Shiro just on that awful new avatar.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:43 am

In post 3117, Shiro wrote:Her back to pika shiro

This is the best Shiro.

Firebringer · Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:06 pm

In post 3120, Elyse wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think Shiro is scum.

Like what if the scumteam is Shiro/Espeonage/Drixx and Drixx is just trying to frame pisskop with the rb.

Idk I'm probably going to vote Shiro today. I don't have much time for content and will post tomorrow.

I am personally going YOLO with it.

VOTE: Shiro

Sorry Shiro, I hate lynching you, but I think you might be scum.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:53 am

Shiro is at L-1 and I really not totally sold on this wagon I am on but I am kind of at that point I don't care too.

Apathy kills me in mafia games, I swear.
By all that happens Shiro claim of roleblock doesn't make sense.
I don't know.

Firebringer · Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:06 pm

Or we are getting everywhere?
It really can't be group scum at this point for me. I don't think they do 2 man teams for larges? At least that would be weird. It had to be 3 man team.

Or there was 4 mafia and a SK? Or is that to powerful for scum?

Firebringer · Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:47 am

Pisskop is Town Jesus.

Firebringer · Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:36 am

In post 3200, Shiro wrote:

In the case that I die and the game does not end then lynch one of Fire/pisskop tommrow.

I can't believe Shiro is both being cute and calling me scum.

Really hard for me to scumread you when you are like this ;(

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:00 pm

Why the fuck am I still alive?
God damn bored of this.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:00 pm

In post 3220, Elyse wrote:Ok yeah that makes sense.

I'll probably vote Firebringer today.

Me too

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:20 pm

Why the hell are you so much by the textbook play drixx?
Its really silly.

This is game is half social and half logic.
Get down the social aspect.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 3227, Drixx wrote:So let me see if I understand what you're saying. A situation where the only assumption I can safely make is that the game is in LYLO is the time when I should abandon trying to logically solve the game and try my hand out at a new play style? Really?

So let me understand this perfectly,

You honestly think I am scum because of those two posts?

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:20 pm

In post 3229, Drixx wrote:Yep ... you caught me. I totally never said you were the most likely scum before you made those two posts. Oh ... wait ...

I really just think you are town who thinks they can follow a rule book to victory.
When that isn't the case.

But keep trying to point me as misrepping you and stuff, I find it entertaining.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:36 pm

In post 3231, Drixx wrote:There's no such thing as a set of rules or steps you can follow to always win mafia. Just because I focus on evaluating things with logic and look for inconsistency coming from scum players doesn't make me an automaton.

I kind of think you are though.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:58 pm

Well your posts don't really have a undertone to them of any emotion. Not to be a dick (though I tend to be one anyways) it's very hard to see it.

Even in that last post, I don't know if you are serious.
Sorry

I try to find scum through scum through those trying to faking emotions or using then manipulate, you don't do it all, any of it.

Sorry If I am being too mean.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:14 pm

VOTE: Espeonage
Only one that makes sense right now, since he was also on the train for Shiro.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:14 pm

In post 3239, Drixx wrote:You and Espeonage are tied for 2nd in my list. I can't decide which of you is more likely to be paired with a roleblocker if the second team had only 2 people and both had roles to make up for smaller size. The fact that he could heal and gunsmith is just as troubling as the fact that you were meant to find PRs with a drawback if you found people without any role.

So if it isn't me, you think its both of them?

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:16 pm

If theres 2 scum and we are really in LYLO right now....
I am pretty sure we are going to lose,

99% sure I am getting mislynched.

So sad, I was on every train for scum except Pisskop.
Doens't clear me for this god damn multiball.

BTW Can I rant about that some more?

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:17 pm

Rant on Multiball: Why didn't we get announcement confirming this is multiball?
Like really....

Cause I hate when we could have more information and we are fishing for stuff that may or may not be there.

Hate it, Hate closed setup speculation bullshit.

Firebringer · Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:18 pm

If your setup is balanced around the fact we don't know its a multiball....god that is awful.

SERIOUSLY WHAT IS THE GAIN FROM NOT TELLING US!?!?!?!?!

HOW DOES THAT HELP BALANCE!?!?!?!?

IT JUST PISSES ME OFF

Firebringer · Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:33 pm

In post 3247, pignash wrote:Fb, if there are two scum, why haven't they hammered you yet?

Cause both scum haven't been on at same time to do a quick hammer?

Thats kind of whats required to do it.
I don't even know if its 3 scum, it could be 2...Though that would be weird number wise I think.
I don't know.