New York 180 (Endgame)

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VOTE: SilverWolf

Good news, guys! I

totally

rolled town this game.

Also, I'm on V/LA until Tuesday. Boo procrastination, boo homework.

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VOTE: FA_Q2

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VOTE: FA_Q2

VOTE: FA Q 2

Hi, What's up with the naked votes on FA? It seems they appeared one right after the other as soon as a wagon popped up on TSO.

Explain please.

Hi SilverWolf! Your posts are looking especially lovely today.

I voted him to see what would happen. It's a work in progress.

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The last few pages have been surprisingly fluffy/spammy.

VOTE: FA_Q2

VOTE: FA Q 2

Care to even bother with an explication. Naked votes are... naked.

This is not even proper pressure as there is nothing to react too...

Do me a favor and properly pressure me. I need something to do.

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Hi SilverWolf! Your posts are looking especially lovely today.

I voted him to see what would happen. It's a work in progress.

Hi Grib! How are you? Good to play with you again.

I'm totally susceptible to buddying so keep up the good work.

I accept your answer.

<3

Honestly, I'm dreading this game a little. This is my first time playing with so many people. Normally I stick to micros.

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The last few pages have been surprisingly fluffy/spammy.

VOTE: FA_Q2

VOTE: FA Q 2

Care to even bother with an explication. Naked votes are... naked.

This is not even proper pressure as there is nothing to react too...

Do me a favor and properly pressure me. I need something to do.

What do you make of Boon following you on the FA_Q2 vote?

I tend to think Boonskiies is scummy in general, so I'll get back to you on that. Gun to head, null.

I think you're town, so that's something. Only, what, 19 more players to get reads on?

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(37) | (89) | (103) | (218) | (220) | (221)

What We Know

Votes Silverwolf in 37. Votes FA_Q2 in 89. Says he wants to see what happens in regards to Wolfie's inquiry into his naked vote (103). Complains of fluffy spam in 218, and asks FA_Q2 to pressure him. Makes known his dread for Large games in 220, and opines in 221 that Boonskiies is suspicious in general, and, though unasked, tells acryon he thinks he's Town.

How I'm Reading This

His apparent reason for voting FA_Q2 is fine with me, because in general it's good to vote somebody to spur reactions. My case is special, because my history contains those who either kill me first, or try to manipulate my intense focus. By withholding my vote, they cannot control it, and I'll swing my sword down when

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am ready. His complaining of spam and fluff feels misplaced, because it's not like he's been doing much, and he can certainly wade into the discussion and contribute instead of complaining. Instead of asking someone to pressure him, perhaps he should be trying to pressure others? While I don't get the feeling these events are suspicious, they do feel neutral at best, and sub-optimal at worst. Am curious why he thinks Boonskiies is suspicious in general.

What I do find just a bit suspicious is his seemingly out-of-place comment that he thinks acryon is Town so very early in this game.

Where The Player Stands

Unremarkable Neutrality.

Instead of complaining, do please contribute. An explanation for your unsought and untimely trust in acryon ought to be given in detail.

A+.

I told acryon I was townreading him because he asked me about Boon, whom I did not have a read on. So I gave him a different read instead. When I was reading the thread, acryon stuck out to me as someone pushing the game forward a little in the midst of the fluffing. Not 100% town the end everyone else go home, but it's something.

Boonskiies is just one of those people who tends to be scummy town. In every game I've played with him (where we were both town), I wanted him dead. I'm trying to work on that.

I wouldn't say I was complaining in that post. It was a pretty neutral comment. Like making small talk about the weather.

Wake, Why not ask Grib straight out why he's townreading acryon or finds Boon suspicious?

I do agree that his townread on acryon is off considering acryon hasn't done anything especially townie in this game.

I will also say that Grib has a history of voting me first in games we play together and has used the totally rolled town line it 2 other games we've played where he's been town. He was scum with me in a game and was townread by pretty much everyone.

So Grib's actually a light townread for me just because his nonchalant attitude is pretty typical for him as town, where as scum he puts more effort in.

You can check Ika's 402 to see the scum game I'm talking about if it interests you. It's not quite the same set-up because Grib and I and Xay were all on different teams by ourselves and House was also in that game as town. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=59515

My first vote is always on someone I've played with before. Failing that, I just toss out either a silly RVS vote or a self-vote.

Thanks for rolling town with me this game. <3

I also know Grib from a off-site thing and I agree with SilverWolf's read of him. She also leans town to me.

Hey there. Did you roll scum?

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pisskop: He hasn't done anything this game, that was just a general statement.

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VOTE: vikingfan

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Too busy today, will post late tonight (3AM EST) at the earliest.

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Sorry, guys. I'm playing catch-up in multiple games. This'll have to wait until tomorrow, as it's nearly 5AM and I'm losing the will to be human. I swear this is my last prodge, and if it isn't, I'll request a replacement.

UNVOTE:

Since I have no idea what's happening with wagons.

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Catching up now! Yay.

Summarize anything important I should know, otherwise I'll vote and fail to give adequate reads because too many players.

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Surprisingly enough, I do think you're town and would only be too happy to sheep you into the sunset.

But I have to be my own person.

elusive, is it true? Have you been focusing on lurkers?

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Also, you didn't answer my like thrice repeated question? Are you a townie green ninja shadow cat?

Good news, guys! I

totally

rolled town this game.

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Hi.

I have two tabs open: one for rereading, and one to respond to current posts.

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Also I'm pretty sure I haven't even mentioned pisskop?

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pisskop: He hasn't done anything this game, that was just a general statement.

I mean aside from this response to him about Boonskiies.

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Catching up now! Yay.

Summarize anything important I should know, otherwise I'll vote and fail to give adequate reads because too many players.

It's hard to sort through 21 players on Day1. Do a quick ISO on each of us, then focus on the 3 scummiest-looking.

I like this idea.

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peeks into thread

sees Cop claim

screams

Some of you have fucking long ISOs that are 50% nonsense. I have a few townreads but a ton of nulls.

VOTE: Jared

Sheeping a PR.

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That was a beautiful story, but elusive is town.

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Trust me. She is town. If she's managed to trick me, it'll be super obvious later on when there aren't 20 other players to hide behind.

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Grib-Are you saying I talk too much?

Considering your posts are actually more than a couple words long, I'm not complaining.

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@Grib Son, you better start scumhunting or something because I'm going to lynch your ass off if you don't

Believe me, I think I'd have an easier time playing this game if I were scum. I have a hard enough time scumhunting when there are only 8 other players.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

fake edit: none of that is particularly atypical for town!ABR.

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Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

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I was okay with pisskop at first. His dragonspawn vote felt weak. I don't really get the purpose of unvoting, and then continuing to pressure dragon. Overall feelings are meh, not someone I'd eagerly drive a lynch on but wouldn't cry if he got wagon'd.

For FA, I don't like how he implied scum were jumping on the TSO wagon and proceeded to question nobody on said wagon. There's a random defense of elusive, which...?? Why? And then he votes elusive? I'd vote this. But probably not because he likely doesn't already have a wagon on him and I doubt I could effectively start one.

fake edit: So apparently a votal hasn't been posted in a while. Does anyone know the state of the wagons?

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Ahahahahaha

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I think anyone who tries to lynch ABR D1 has no actual idea what they're doing.

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Also, counterclaims are a thing.

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I disagree. That's a horrible way to think. You mean, if we can prove he's scum day 1, don't lynch him? Pfft.

I mean, he's ridiculously easy to wagon because he tends to post lots of one-liners and naked votes.

If that's the reasoning for voting him, then it sucks. Period.

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VOTE: Kitz

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This post really bothers me. For one, I'm not really a fan of the "If I were scum" approach to things. It reads to me like you're trying to make us believe scum would do the opposite of what you're doing.

The second thing is that you're literally asking us for our opinions before taking any sort of stance. That's just as bad as what Kitz did above, really.

Or that's just me trying to explain how I'm feeling w/r/t the game. I don't expect you to take my word for it, nor will I fault you for being suspicious, but at least this way it can't be said I didn't tell you so.

I'm asking to be pointed in a general direction so I know where to direct my focus. I'm trying to get engaged in what's going on currently rather than hanging around in the past, because being in a perpetual state of catching up annoys me and makes me not want to play.

"Tell me who you're scumreading so I can piggyback"

Is there any evidence to suggest I've been piggybacking, or are you just looking for an easy attack?

And why not pressure me yourself instead of FoS'ing me and hopping on the popular wagon?

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Because you and Kitz are pretty equal right now in my scum-pile. I'm probably in the minority thinking you're scummy, so you can wait until tomorrow.

That actually works out quite well for me.

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UNVOTE:

I like Kitz's last post and agree with her townreads (although they'd be more accurate if I were on it, just sayin').

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Is he annoying, or scum?

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Well, for one, if scum claims a town PR that's in play, the other one CC's and we have a scumlynch.

We all know ABR has a scummy towngame in the early Days, is there anything that points to something more out of the ordinary?

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UNVOTE:

I like Kitz's last post and agree with her townreads (although they'd be more accurate if I were on it, just sayin').

What exactly do you like about it. The AtE, the strawman, the newbie card play or the fact that she hasn't provided any argumentation for her reads?

- I think it's a fair rant.
- I've seen strawman tossed around in so many games. Elaborate or it's just a buzzword.
- I'm meh on the newbie card.
- You didn't read the last paragraph. If you ask her for reasons and she ignores you, then I'll concede this point.

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MathBlade, have you ever self-voted before?

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Bleh we need a lynch today. I'm AFK most of Tonight and Some of Saturday.

SilverWolf's post looks like gloating they are at L-10 instead of talking with me to see why I scumread them and TSO seems to be manufacturing questions.

If vikingfan is town then TSO/SilverWolf likely scum buddies.
If vikingfan is scum then Naked Jogger/Kitz likely scum buddies.

Just for funsies....

VOTE: Mathblade

Let's do it!!!!!!!! Let's see how quickly we can lynch the crazy chick

Okay.

These posts just felt a little off.

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SilverWolf, pop quiz.

MathBlade + "We need a lynch!" + trolling + comparatively close deadline = ?

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I've seen serious!MathBlade, and deliberately insane!MathBlade, and super excited!MathBlade.

But never trolling.

fake edit: is that a scumclaim, or.

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She can't be a Jester (?), are there any other roles that benefit from getting lynched?

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VOTE: NakedJogger

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what the hell is happening?

Who even knows.

I'm glad I decided to pay attention to this game today.

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I've never seen MathBlade so blatantly antitown, so. I don't know what gives.

This isn't a bastard game, so the simplest explanation is that she wants to get lynched for xyz reason. Doesn't really fit a vengeful role, and I can't think of anything else Normal.

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MathBlade, CYS doesn't apply because you were still pretending to townside. Nobody knew for sure if your claim was legitimate. Here you're just straight trolling.

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I was voting Kitz all along

VOTE: Boonskiies

VOTE: elusive VOTE: Boonskies VOTE: elusive

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She can't kill visitors if she gets lynched.

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MathBlade is also very right sometimes.

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This feels like a really slow massclaim

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Lynch NJ for glory!

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Requesting replacement

Sorry guys, I just don't have the time for a game this size. Back to micros for me.

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I wasn't even really in this game but

I'm really glad this game is over.