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Vote: CESfor being way too talkative.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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No, from what I've seen from CES, he's usually relatively silent and only becomes really active when he's scum. Granted, part of that is based on a face-to-face game in real life, but it's the best I've got.
For what it's worth: I didn't notice the game started.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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That's what the wiki calls a logical fallacy. Just because scum doesn't usually do it, doesn't mean it can't be a gambit on your part. Suggesting a no lynch is not in the town's best interest, so it's scummy.AndrewS wrote:You're sidestepping the question. Why would I seriously claim it, other than what I stated?
Why you suggested it? I'm sure your guess will be better than mine.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I don't get you, Zindaras.
You agree it's WIFOM, yet you don't think it's lynch-worthy.
I've seen a lot of scum, who attempted something just because scum wouldn't do that so they could use that argument. (I even did it myself over in DragonPhoenix Mafia on the GL)
If you're not going to vote someone for WIFOM, then do you have a better idea? The only reason I'm not voting yet is because I don't like fast lynches. But I'm all ready to pile up.
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I don't like the speed of that CES wagon any better.Patrick wrote:The way the wagon built up, I'd be more inclined towards thinking Andrew is town. I'm still unsure as to what sort of benefit Andrew would be gaining by suggesting no lynch if he were scum. Can one of his attackers explain this to me please.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Hmm, I could've sworn I unvoted you. I think I'm messing up my games.
Unvote: CES
Vote: Glork
There's only one situation in which no lynch on day 1 is a viable choice. Now isn't one of them and Glork is experienced enough to know it.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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See, I knew I was right. I did unvote CES. Why didn't you notice, CES?Mgm wrote:I don't get you, Zindaras.
You agree it's WIFOM, yet you don't think it's lynch-worthy.
I've seen a lot of scum, who attempted something just because scum wouldn't do that so they could use that argument. (I even did it myself over in DragonPhoenix Mafia on the GL)
If you're not going to vote someone for WIFOM, then do you have a better idea? The only reason I'm not voting yet is because I don't like fast lynches. But I'm all ready to pile up.
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Oops, I guess I was the one not paying attention. I thought his post 117 was in response to my post 116. I didn't notice he responded to an SV quote.AndrewS wrote:MGM, read the game - he was parodying me....Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Thesp, you've pretty much worded my feelings better than I could myself, but just in case someone wants to hear it.
AndrewS and Glork made a bad suggestion. Whether they meant it is irrelevant. Suggesting it is scummy, following through on it by making the vote is scummier.
Granted, you might get a few scum on your bandwagon, but not because they're opportunists, it will be because you called the wagon on yourself and it's logical to punish scummy actions or take action against anti-town play. Scum want to mix in, so if the town wagons you, they'll join (regardless of whether you're their buddy or a townie). It's not rocket science.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I do. Because you actually voted no lynch when we were discussing how bad a no lynch would be for the town following Andrew's bandwagon. If you're pro-town, surely you have a better place to put your vote than on a no lynch you know won't happen. It is a waste of voting power.Glork wrote:
Alright, let's take an informal poll?Mgm wrote:AndrewS and Glork made a bad suggestion. Whether they meant it is irrelevant. Suggesting it is scummy, following through on it by making the vote is scummier.
Who here thinks I was *actually* serious about my No-Lynch suggestion?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I actually see the attack of both Andrew's and Glork's bandwagoners as more opportunistic than the actual bandwagoning. We have to start somewhere and voting someone suggesting a no lynch on day 1 is pretty standard.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I'm not going to say anything about IH's play before checking his posts.
As for the quote. I don't say the bandwagoners made themeselves into eassy targets. That would imply the wrong causal relationship. I'm saying they're not opportunistic for bandwagoning, but that the people attacking them for their bandwagoning are the opportunistic scum.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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And how is voting no lynch better to get information than a vote on a player?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Glork doing the same when he knew it was a stupid move is scummier.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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You voted. Why don't you tell us why you did it?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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AndrewS wrote:Thesp: You have a problem in your logic: You assume that my intentions follow my vote, and that I intended for the town to go no lynch. I did not. I did want to see reactions. As such, we have more information now than we would have normally for a day 1 lynch. It won't beentirelyrandom. That was my goal, really. But, no, I never truly intended the town to go no lynch.Mgm wrote:And how is voting no lynch better to get information than a vote on a player?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Unvote: Glork
I am reading the game, but that doesn't mean I'm not fallible. Just like anyone else I'm prone to forgetting and overlooking stuff. If you can't agree to that, I could say you're not reading the thread too. I had to repeat a question in post 191 because you failed the answer it earlier. Either you didn't read it, or you purposely choose not to answer a question directed at you. Neither is a particular townish reaction.AndrewS wrote:Regarding my vote on MGM, it's a prod to read the game more than anything. I will remove it on one of 3 conditions: 1) MGM starts reading the game and posting intelligently, 2) A better lynch candidate comes up or 3) There are enough votes to put him in danger for irrational reasons.
We disagree about each other's actions. That doesn't mean that the posts of either of us is less intelligent than the other. We're in an invitational, so we can assume we're both good enough players. What you said is a logical fallacy according to the MafiaWiki http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... the_PersonShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Yes, I entertained the idea for about two seconds, but when I posted that I was simply talking about the action I thought scum would take regardless of their (Andrew's and Glork's) alignment. Naturally scum jump on innocent lynches, but when a wagon is gaining lots of steam, scum jump on these wagons too even if they lynch their buddies just to look innocent.MrBuddyLee wrote:MGM is the first to make the move I'd expect scum to make on Glork's play, regardless of Glork's alignment. Then he makes the mistake of saying:
which seems to be assuming the township of Andrew and Glork.MGM wrote:Granted, you might get a few scum on your bandwagon, but not because they're opportunists, it will be because you called the wagon on yourselfShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I'll be out of the running this weekend. I have a website to update and a deadline to do it with. After that I'm going to reread the thread on monday to make sure I don't accidentally overlook something when I respond. Maybe a reread in one sit will give me some new revelations to work with too.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I've finished the website update, so I should now have some time to commit to the game again. Expect a post within the next 24 hours at most.
In the mean time:MOD, can we have another vote count?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Bah, I didn't manage to reread the thread, but I believe I should respond to AndrewS' earlier post anyway. I resent how he told me to post more intelligently. My opinion wasn't that far out there. As far as I can determine, Thesp shares the same opinion as me and at one point Adele said she didn't see why someone wanted to lynch me. My posting is perfectly rational, fallible perhaps, but certainly not stupid.
I also believe that that no lynch vote (serious or not) didn't provide the right sort of discussion. Because of it, all discussion focussed on Andrew's bandwagonners when there was no real evidence to determine their alignment based on just that wagon.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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That's what happens in forum games. Smileys or sarcasm tags are helpful things.
I take what people post serious unless they make it abundantly clear it's a joke in a way that doesn't require me to do mindreading.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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SV, with a deadline coming, claiming is perhaps a good thing. If you wait too long to claim you're probably going to get lynched, unless people start switching.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Vote: AndrewS.
Just fuelling the wagon I like best.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Nightfall wrote:Since you keep telling MGM to read the thread, maybe you should do the same. That is the first time all game that I have said that I would post something significant tommorrow. Also your repeated poor excuses you use when argueing with Thesp as to why you voted no lynch are also getting annoying.
After checking my own posts, it appears I haven't explained my reasoning for unvoting Glork. The intervening posts made me doubt my decision of voting him. It doesn't appear you paid much attention yourself. YouMGM, nobody thought that Glork was serious. Nobody other than you. This shows that you weren't reading the game. That is why Iwasvoting for you. There is no rationalization for lynching a player over a joke. I don't believe that you're being stupid per se, rather that you're not paying as much attention as you could be. That is the real problem.arevoting me, rather than "was". Also, in this post you clearly ignore the fact that I actually unvoted him and you didn't change your vote after Adele mentioned it wasn't all that clearly a joke either.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Andrew said he voted me because of my vote on Glork, so that post was to show how his vote no longer makes sense.MrBuddyLee wrote:
I checked back and didn't see where anyone asked you why you unvoted Glork. In my experience, scum's more likely to do things like reread to pre-emptively defend against possible attacks.Mgm wrote:After checking my own posts, it appears I haven't explained my reasoning for unvoting Glork.
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Some people tend to post less in the weekend. If he wants to have a good chance of survival, not waiting with his claim until the very last moment is a good thing.Patrick wrote:Deadline's not until the 13th. Now still, I'm asking IH to tell me what he though the case against spectrumvoid was, given that he put her at -2 and told her to claim. If we're talking non contribution, there's a bunch of other ppl who also fall under that category.
I don't think SV should be lynched right now.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Or the vig could be blocked while a serial killer is still active.AndrewS wrote:Bad logic there, Glork.
As for SV's claim, I completely believe it. If there are 2 kills tonight, then obviously there is a vig.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I thought he was either following through on a bad idea or making a point at the expense of a more effective vote. I only considered he was joking when other people pointed it out to me, which is why I changed my mind.MrBuddyLee wrote:
Wait, so if you make a scummy play but then you say "do-over" or take it back, that makes you not scummy?Mgm wrote:Andrew said he voted me because of my vote on Glork, so that post was to show how his vote no longer makes sense.
I may have misinterpreted him, but I don't see how that is scummy.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If Nightfall's post 366 can't convince you to vote AndrewS, I don't know what will.IH wrote:Is this another game where I'm being wagoned for no reason/being recquired for a vig kill?
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unvote, vote:MGM
Patrick, I'm pretty sure that the MAIN reason that there was an sv wagon was for the dice.
I'm pretty sureIwas on the wagon to give sufficient time for another one to form and give us a lynch before deadline. Would you still like me to go through her posts, and put together a case? If not, I'll go back to working on MGM.
= ) If I was a vig it'd be a tossup between Andrew/MGM/maybe Glork if those two weren't an option.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I checked the deck without double checking what the mod would pick out.Adele wrote:
The First Post Is Your Friend.Mgm wrote:
Or the vig could be blocked while a serial killer is still active.AndrewS wrote:Bad logic there, Glork.
As for SV's claim, I completely believe it. If there are 2 kills tonight, then obviously there is a vig.
No SKs.Mr Stoofer wrote:For this purpose I'm going to use mith's . I've shuffled together the following cards:- 3 scum: Michael Corleone (Godfather) Tom Hagen and Luca Brasi
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In that case I see no reason for SV not to reveal his target.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I'd have to check Stoofer's other games, but from what I remember from the discussion in the "Mafia Discussion"-thread, the prevailing idea seems to be to resolve choices all at the same time.Patrick wrote:
Would that negate her kill? I've never heard of it working like that. I think telling us the vig target now is definitely optimal, it's similar to allowing us a second lynch. And as CES said, it avoids possible other vigs or cops hitting the same target as spectrumvoid.Adele wrote:If she were to announce that she's vigging a scum, it's possible that they'd hit her in a vain hope that their choice is entered before herShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Perhaps you're being vigged because you're second in succession to be lynched after Andrew?
Sounds like a reasonable decision as that is what most of the town agrees to at that point.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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First he uses the newbie logic that the lynch will most likely hit town, then he suddenly changes and says he tried to promote discussion. Changing your reasoning for a vote is suspicious, especially when you use it against others later on. This together with Nightfall's summary of Andrew's action makes me believe he's a prime lynch candidate.IH wrote:IH Reread. = P Have fun.
Unprompted. Uses the same logic as newbies do (We have a greater chance of hitting town today than scum since it'll be random) I still think that he was serious when he said this by the wording of this.Andrews wrote:Alright...Looking at it like this - it's been several days now and we're not out of the random vote stage. I know that with this strong of a group of players, nobody is going to make an idiodic mistake and make a scum tell this early. Ergo, our lynch will practically be random. This gives us a 1 in 5 chance of killing mafia. 4 in 5 of lynching town. Not the greatest odds. Perhaps we should Unvote, vote: No Lynch for now, and look at the game fresh in the morning, unless anyone has any more constructive ideas.
Which leads me toFOS: Ether. What's wrong with Nightfall's posts? They make perfect sense to me.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I took me a whole lot of time to convince people to vote AndrewS. I believe Nightfall's post is helpful by showing how inconsistent Andrew is between different posts - and how he attacks me for stuff he does himself. This way people who can't be bothered to filter the posts will have their nose pushed into the facts in a way they can't ignore. And he didn't just copy the posts, he summarized and interpreted them too.IH wrote:Not paying attention count-6.
= ) She meant that he's not really posting too much content (Though after rereading I have seen some) Just a summary of posts. In other words, he looks like he's giving information, but is just doing the filter (Display posts from all users) does the same exact thing.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Glork, I see your vote on me from yesterday was in post 364.
You didn't specify a reason in that post, though.
Since you switched from Andrew to me and back to Andrew (hammering him) you must've seen some reason in lynching Andrew,
so I'm not sure what's so scummy about me.
I'd like to know exactly how far apart those are (I'll look it up unless someone else does), but these posts are suspicious enough to garner aMrBuddyLee wrote:Consecutive posts:
Ether wrote:I haven't the slightest idea what's up with Mgm. I don't like him, but I like IH less.
Hmm.Ether wrote:Speaking of which, Mgm's posts give off a vibe of overwhelming stupid and I don't actually find them scummy. Hey, Thesp--whatwasyour alternate theory?FOS: EtherShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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For someone who tells Patrick to read between the lines you do preciously little of it yourself. I didn't tell SV to claim because I suspected him, I did it because I hoped it would derail his bandwagon so a few quick vote changes near the deadline wouldn't put him on the chopping block instead of Andrew.He says that SV should claim, but when IH puts the -2 vote on SV, he goes ahead with his vote for AndrewS a mere three hours later. Help prod one player to a claim while already jumping on the next best wagon. Tricky. Quite tricky. Not tricky enough.
I like how you wrote that last post. Quoting the posts you are talking about leaves little chance of accidental misinterpretation.
My suspected pro-town list atm: Nightfall and Patrick.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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SV asked if someone wanted him to claim. You don't ask that if you're a townie, so that he had some form of power role (aka bullseye for the mafia) was pretty much a given. Granted, his itself role wasn't, but he wouldn't give that if he didn't want to. My opinion alone isn't going to change that. And it didn't. He said he claimed only because of the deadline.Glork wrote:No, you were fishing for information. You were asking one player (who you didn't even really suspect) to claim despite subsequently pushing another wagon. I don't believe the "because I wanted to derail the wagon" bit for an instant. If SV hadn't claimed a confirmable role such as Vigilante, I doubt it would have derailed the wagon at all.
Your claim I was fishing is untrue too. Here's the exact thing I told him.
He and SV were pretty close in the lynch count a few well placed switched could easily have killed him. Seeing as I most suspected Andrew, that's something I didn't want. So I recommended him to claim if it could save him from a lynch.Mgm wrote:SV, with a deadline coming, claiming is perhaps a good thing. If you wait too long to claim you're probably going to get lynched, unless people start switching.
Isn't claiming the final defense to save your butt for any player?
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MBL, can you give the post number of the post you're referring to with regard to your thoughts on Ether?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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You can try longwinded defenses, but with a deadline looming, that's not really the best option. If you need to avert a bandwagon with little time left, claiming is simply the best option. You may disagree, but SV obviously agreed.
It doesn't really matter what I say. It was still his decision.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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If you thought claiming was such a bad idea for SV, then why didn't you try to dissuade him from it?Glork wrote:
Hum. I hadn't thought about that. Your perogative, I guess. You hit Lynch -2, and you're currently at 5 votes. Personally, I'd say "not yet," but if you think it's necessary, do whatever you feel like doing.spectrumvoid wrote:Just wondering... anyone wants me to claim?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Mod, why did you capitalize the last M in my username?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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How is that lynch encouraging?
If he decides to vote and lynch people for talking, I'm pretty sure he won't survive that.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I just isolated CDB's posts and found them lacking. Are CDB's posts always this short and is he usually this lurky?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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What did you do that for?Glork wrote:Confirm Vote: MGM, too.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Yes, Glork said I found him and CDB scummy.
He didn't mention I mentioned Ether as a suspect.
So I would like to see Ether talk or replaced too.
Thanks for answering my post CDB.
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Please answer my previous post Glork.
I haven't developed any mind reading skills to determine the reasoning behind your post.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I asked if it was scummy. As you can see I still haven't moved my vote from you, so thinking I was appealing for a bandwagon appears a bit premature. Sometimes asking for info doesn't mean the person asking the question has ulterior motives.Glork wrote:No, when was the bandwagoning which formed the basis of your Post 461 vote?
MGM: It's mostly the second post. With a couple of players (Thesp, MBL, myself) having poked at CDB, it seemed like you were appealing to others for some kind of basis on which to bandwagon. I can't really explain why that set off my scumdar, but it was something in the timing and manner in which you posted:
[aside: Oh, people are noticing that CDB hasn't posted much.] "Hey, guys, that's scummy, right? Should we be lynching him?"Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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I wasn't testing the waters, that's how Glork interpreted it. Doesn't mean he's right.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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My point was that Glork is assuming the worst with no evidence to back it up. I never tried to lynch CDB, so assuming that was my aim has no basis in either fact or logic.Patrick wrote:That's quite a strange sort of a defence. Obviously we don't know whether or not you were, but the wording and timing suggests it. This isn't a game of certainties.
Try Occam's Razor it works like a charm.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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So you suspect me. I can live with it (we're playing a game of mafia after all). It's the assumption that asking for clarification about CDB is an attempt to lynch him which I don't like. You're painting me in a bad light (possibly with the aim to get people to vote me) based on an incorrect premise. Since you already suspect me, you should have enough material to build a case on less strenuous assumptions. CES worded it quite nicely: "That's a bad mindset as it leads to circular reasoning. The correct mindset is possibly guilty until proven otherwise." And just so you are entirely clear on my intentions;Glork wrote:
Bzzzt. Fail.Mgm wrote:
My point was that Glork is assuming the worst with no evidence to back it up. I never tried to lynch CDB, so assuming that was my aim has no basis in either fact or logic.Patrick wrote:That's quite a strange sort of a defence. Obviously we don't know whether or not you were, but the wording and timing suggests it. This isn't a game of certainties.
Try Occam's Razor it works like a charm.
I am most certainlynotnaive enough to give you the benefit of the doubt,ESPECIALLYif Ialready suspected youfor other reasons. And evidently, I am not alone in this most recent suspicion. In my eyes, you're guilty until proven innocent.Confirm vote: Glork.
Patrick, there's a reason I haven't addressed Adele. I don't think she did or say anything worth addressing directly (that's not neccesarily a bad thing, it just means I can't find anything wrong with it). On the contrary, over the course of the game, I have agreed with Nightfall, Thesp and CES and probably more people I can't remember and commented on numerous things I thought were incorrect, misguided or wrong. It's just not possible to address every single player directly during the first one-and-a-half day of a game. I'll no doubt address Adele in the future if she does something scummy or says something particularly useful like CES did. She'll also get my attention if she tries to bandwagon someone today I don't think is a good candidate.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think aFOS: Fritzleris in order.
About CDB: I don't remember playing much games with him, so I wanted to know if this was his regular behavior. I could have spend hours going through his previous games and analyse his activity, but I thougt it would be easier, not to mention more informative, to see what others had to say about it.
Asking a question is not the same as fishing for a lynch. There's plenty of negative attention being thrown around; all of which could potentially be used to test the waters for a lynch. Nothing is being said about those.
And really would lynching CDB actually be a bad idea? I wonder why I am attacked for that question. Some people seem convinced he's innocent to the point of protecting CDB fom a lynch. Do they know something I don't?
It's funny how I didn't get an answer after that post got so much attention.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Nonsense. Try isolating his posts and see how much he really contributed.Glork wrote:
:GOODPOSTING:Fritzler wrote:Mgm wrote:Based on Nightfall's PBPA, I think aFOS: Fritzleris in order.FOS: MGMShow"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Memorable doesn't neccesarily mean helpful.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Besides, it's just a FOS. If the substance of his posts increases in comparison to his last few, that FOS could easily disappear again.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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In that case, we seem to agree.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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You could just go back to voting Glork and ask Fritz to do the same.Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Now MBL moved his vote, this is no longer the caseCogito Ergo Sum wrote:I could, but that'd still be less votes?Show"Logic is a systematic method to come to the wrong conclusion."
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Not as stupid as the vote you've placed now.Fritzler wrote:
cuz that's a stupid vote (like you) ZING*Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Fritz, vote for Thesp, please?
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