Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Nightfall]

This is crap.
Zindaras, I demand that, for the good of the town, you unvote Thesp now.

FOS: ZINDARAS, CES

That sentence hurts my ears. It makes them bleed...
P.S. I want in on that vote Thesp today action...

[Nightfall]

I demand more nightfall posts.

I am able to post once or twice per game per real life day.

So far this game has been running for 3 days (not including today).
I have only not posted in the last two days because I have been trying to take in everything that has been said.

I will

FOS: AndrewS

though.
I would say more, I had actually planned to, but then I read Thesp's latest comment and just like MGM thought "Thesp, you've pretty much worded my feelings better than I could myself". So yeah, as odd as it sounds, and as hard as it feals to say.... I currently agree with Thesp.....

If you'll excuse me, I've now got to go and wash my mouth out with some soap...

[Nightfall]

*My 3 day comment was actually ment to reference the time when I first posted which was also when I was able to start this game.*

[Nightfall]

Day 1 lynches are almost always randomish when a game is full of experienced and non-idiot players. I wanted to avoid that.

So you created the belief that you were pro no lynch?.... So? How does that help us? All that did was bring up a huge number of WIFOM issues which truely could go either way.

unvote, Vote: Ether

for as mentioned a few posts above, she seems a little too attached to Andrew with an aparant view that he cant really do wrong.

FOS: AndrewS

I just really dont trust you. I think more of Thesp's points are correct where yours are flawed, and your spewing scum tells galore. I dont care the least little bit that this is an invitational, if I was scum I would likely be going about it in much the same way you are, claiming that all of us are too experienced to do something like that and therefore you cant possibly be scum.

[Nightfall]

unvote, Vote: Ether for as mentioned a few posts above, she seems a little too attached to Andrew with an aparant view that he cant really do wrong.

This will definitely be worth looking at tomorrow. Why are you deflecting the AndrewS lynch? If you're scum, it would be very nice for you to follow ChannelDelibird's lead and bus your partner.

This will definitely be worth looking at tomorrow. Why are you comming after me so suddenly; someone who actually believes that Andrew is acting scummy, and all the while not addressing the other people who think he's clean?

[Nightfall]

Nightfall: Typical Nightfall-lurker.

*Posted elsewhere*

Hey ***, I check in to everygame I'm in at the least once every two days.
I work during the week so I can only post when I get home. If you check my posts you'll see that they are all from certain blocks of time with each block being almost 24 hours apart. Over the weekend I usually spend time with my girlfriend family and other friends, but I still do my best to make time to come by at least once in the two days to post something. Yes I am in other games with you, **** mafia comes to mind, and if I remember accurately I am 1 of the only 4 people who actually didnt leave that game because of inactivity. I may not make posts 24/7 but I am in the games I play for the long run.

It's not lurking if I post whenever I visit the site...

I'll do a read of MGM's posts alone and see if I can pick up on anything that others seem to already have.

[Nightfall]

I think MGM's 10th and 11th post are a little bit scummy, but I dont think his theories are all that skewed...

I for one still think there is at least one scum between Ether and AndrewS.

[Nightfall]

Well we could continue to go over WIFOM stuff for ever to discuss it deeply but my best estimate is that AndrewS has likely done what he did (The whole no lynch saga) as scum, planning to use the excuse that if he really was scum that he wouldn't be stupid enough to propose it here. I admit that a little of my suspicion is likely from the fact that I have never played with him before and I'm not aware how he usually acts, how much Im not sure. My thoughts on Ether are that she is trying really hard to argue that AndrewS is town, and as far as I can tell seems near sure of it. As posted earlier, scum usually like to snuggle up with people who are innocent to make themselves appear innocent. I feal this could be going on here.

Im also not that sure how I feal about thesp now though. I thought he was actually one of the more protown people here, but then as soon as I mention that someone other than AndrewS could be scum he seems to snap at me...

[Nightfall]

Glrok's early vote might've been random, but that doesn't make the bandwagon random. Fritzler called it long before.

FoS: IH

for mischaracterising the wagon.

FOS: CES

If the reason for the wagon is the dice, then yes the bandwagon is random.

P.S. Hopefully if Glork is scum he'll be REALLY helpfull to us today

[Nightfall]

I myself don't like that attitude. Granted, the deadline was only 3+ days away, but that's more than enough time to find a wagon that we can actually agree on.

Especially when we can just roll the dice and find a new one?

[Nightfall]

I feel highly dissatisfied with Nightfall this game. I feel him

lurklurklurk

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nightfall, why are you voting Ether? Who do you think is scum? Can we have some input from you before the deadline, other than some minor humor about the dice?

I've explained my Ether vote, but if you want more I'll do my best to put together a more in depth post on what I think about the game tommorrow.

[Nightfall]

Since you keep telling MGM to read the thread, maybe you should do the same. That is the first time all game that I have said that I would post something significant tommorrow. Also your repeated poor excuses you use when argueing with Thesp as to why you voted no lynch are also getting annoying.

[Nightfall]

Sorry guys I didnt expect this to take nearly as long as it is.
I was planning on doing a summery of everyones posts and explaining what I found most scummy.

However I have only been able to get through Adele and Andrew's posts.

With tommorrow being Friday I should have a lot more time that I can commit to finishing this so I will finish up then.

With that being said, here is a sum up off both Adele and Andrew's posts...


Adele
-Believed AndrewS' no lynch vote was against the towns best interest.
-Agreed that even if it was just to garner reactions it is scummy enough to recieve a vote.
-Touches on Glork's hyper activity this game.
-Unvotes Andrew saying that the ends to his suposed point does not justify the means.
-Joins the SV wagon because Vind is on it.
-Says that she wasnt completely sure if Glork was truthfull with his no lynch vote.

AndrewS
-Votes CD because of his username.
-Votes no lynch claiming that the odds are against us lynching scum.
-Unvotes and attributes his proposal to the fact that we were still in the random vote stage and didnt seem to be going anywhere.
-Backs his no lynch idea insisting that he was frustrated with how long it was taking for us to get out of the random vote stage. Also states that he is not a newbie and that his actions were not because of inexperience.
-Says that he guesses he should explain his actions, claiming that he was really just testing us to see how we react.
-Says that he wouldnt reasonably attempt to push a no lynch. He then votes Adele claiming that she is the most lynch hungry.
-Says that what he proposed led to reactions and reasons for him to vote Adele
-Votes CES claiming that CES doesnt care what Andrews reasons were and that CES is avoiding his "questions". (I have seen no such questions except for a why would I really propose a no lynch inquirery...)
-States that random voting paterns are impossible to get info from. And repeats that hos proposal was just an attempt to get more info.
-Tells MgM to read the game.
-States his past experiences with the game saying that he is not a newbie.
-Says that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt pro town.
-Says that he believes many of the people that are voting for him are doing so because he disagrees with their logic.
-Says that hes told his reasons for his actions, and if he is lynched and turns up town we should look at those voting him.
-Lists his top 3 suspects CES, Adele and Thesp.
-Says that Thesps logic is wrong and that he is assuming that his intent follows his actions.
-Says that if he was scum he would know that he wouldnt be able to convince the town to go no lynch.
-Votes MgM
-Tells MgM to read the game for his reasons for voting him.
-Claims that he decided to go ahead and vote no lynch because it was something "spectacular that everyone would notice".
-Says that Mgm was the only one that misinterpreted Glorks no lynch vote
-Claims that he reread and that he finds IH scummier than Glork and SV.
-*There is something I am noticing here...and I will come back to it eventually*
-Explains that he is suspect of SV and Glork because of their bandwagoning while less so of IH due to his lack of bandwagoning.
-Repeats that nobody but Mgm thought that Glork was serious.
-Tells thesp that his no lynch vote was a "prod to start the game"
-Tells me that I say that I'll post something tommorrow too much, when I had yet to actually post it all game.
-Explains how if there are 2 nightkills the next night then SV must be telling the truth about her vig claim.
-Rolls off odds of there being additional vigs' in this game, and votes IH for "being on the band wagons and being lynch hungry". All while a few posts ago he said IH was less scummy because he really didnt do those things...

[Nightfall]

*Working on my post now*

[Nightfall]

This is taking tooo long...
anyways unless I turn up something huge later on while I'm still going over stuff, my vote stays with Ether but could move to Andrew rather easily to complete a lynch.

And IH, I wasnt the only one without much content at that point. Why did you, and why do you continue to direct those comments towards me?



*Here's everything I've got so far.*


Adele
-Believed AndrewS' no lynch vote was against the towns best interest.
-Agreed that even if it was just to garner reactions it is scummy enough to recieve a vote.
-Touches on Glork's hyper activity this game.
-Unvotes Andrew saying that the ends to his suposed point does not justify the means.
-Joins the SV wagon because Vind is on it.
-Says that she wasnt completely sure if Glork was truthfull with his no lynch vote.

AndrewS
-Votes CD because of his username.
-Votes no lynch claiming that the odds are against us lynching scum.
-Unvotes and attributes his proposal to the fact that we were still in the random vote stage and didnt seem to be going anywhere.
-Backs his no lynch idea insisting that he was frustrated with how long it was taking for us to get out of the random vote stage. Also states that he is not a newbie and that his actions were not because of inexperience.
-Says that he guesses he should explain his actions, claiming that he was really just testing us to see how we react.
-Says that he wouldnt reasonably attempt to push a no lynch. He then votes Adele claiming that she is the most lynch hungry.
-Says that what he proposed led to reactions and reasons for him to vote Adele
-Votes CES claiming that CES doesnt care what Andrews reasons were and that CES is avoiding his "questions". (I have seen no such questions except for a why would I really propose a no lynch inquirery...)
-States that random voting paterns are impossible to get info from. And repeats that hos proposal was just an attempt to get more info.
-Tells MgM to read the game.
-States his past experiences with the game saying that he is not a newbie.
-Says that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt pro town.
-Says that he believes many of the people that are voting for him are doing so because he disagrees with their logic.
-Says that hes told his reasons for his actions, and if he is lynched and turns up town we should look at those voting him.
-Lists his top 3 suspects CES, Adele and Thesp.
-Says that Thesps logic is wrong and that he is assuming that his intent follows his actions.
-Says that if he was scum he would know that he wouldnt be able to convince the town to go no lynch.
-Votes MgM
-Tells MgM to read the game for his reasons for voting him.
-Claims that he decided to go ahead and vote no lynch because it was something "spectacular that everyone would notice".
-Says that Mgm was the only one that misinterpreted Glorks no lynch vote
-Claims that he reread and that he finds IH scummier than Glork and SV.
-*There is something I am noticing here...and I will come back to it eventually*
-Explains that he is suspect of SV and Glork because of their bandwagoning while less so of IH due to his lack of bandwagoning.
-Repeats that nobody but Mgm thought that Glork was serious.
-Tells thesp that his no lynch vote was a "prod to start the game"
-Tells me that I say that I'll post something tommorrow too much, when I had yet to actually post it all game.
-Explains how if there are 2 nightkills the next night then SV must be telling the truth about her vig claim.
-Rolls off odds of there being additional vigs' in this game, and votes IH for "being on the band wagons and being lynch hungry". All while a few posts ago he said IH was less scummy because he really didnt do those things...


ChannelDelibird
-Votes for Andrew for voting him over his username.
-Votes CES for wanting to …lynch progress?
-FOSes Andrew for his reasoning behind his no lynch suggestion.
-Asks Mgm if he prefers lurkers to people that post/talk to much.
-Says that Glork is acting like someone else this game and that he is being rather unhelpful. He also Votes Andrew for using the “If I was really scum I wouldn’t do that” comment.
-Corrects a vote count
-Apologizes for a lack of recent posting
- Agrees with IH that the random SV wagon is a bad idea.
-States that we should have all been voting Andrew a long time ago


CES
-Votes Thesp
-Asks Glork to vote Thesp
-Foses Glork for lying
-A few posts of negotiation between Glork and CES about the order they should lynch people.
-FOSes Andrew
-Votes Andrew
-Mentions how he plays differently IRL than he does online
-Says that no lynching is bad for information flow.
-Gives Andrew a small list of reasons why he would vote no lynch if he was scum.
-Says that he doesn’t see town doing what Andrew did.
-A few jokes
-FOSes Patrick for “misrepresenting” Thesp
-Explains to Ether what part of Andrews “real reason for voting no lynch” is WIFOM
-Votes SV as part of the random wagon
-FOSes IH and says that the wagon isn’t random.
-FOSes CBird for agreeing with IH
-Votes Andrew claiming that SV’s claim is provable
-Makes a few comments promoting the idea of SV revealing the name of her vig target before we go into the night phase


Ether
-Votes Buddylee
-Tells Glork his avatar is weird, and unvotes.
-Votes Andrew and claims that the whole idea of voting a no lynch right now confuses her.
-(After Andrew gives his “real reason” for voting no lynch) Votes IH and says that she really doesn’t like the reaction Andrew is getting from other players.
-Says that a few reasons that people are voting Andrew are “bullshit” and “shrug”s them off. She also posts this : “The initial attack on AndrewS was that a no-lynch would hurt the town. It's been pointed out that a no-lynch wouldn't actually happen. So, yeah. The reason that scum would be more likely than town to vote no-lynch seems gone. Now what?” NOT understanding that this is a BIG WIFOM.
-Posts “I haven't the slightest idea what's up with Mgm. I don't like him, but I like IH less.” Followed by a statement that she “loathe(s) the misrepresentative voters” for calling WIFOM on Andrew.
-States that a real push for a no lynch is as unlikely as Andrew says it would be. She then rips into Mgm (“Mgm's posts give off a vibe of overwhelming stupid and I don't actually find them scummy.”) and calls Buddylee hypocritical for his comment “In other news, the Thesp-Glork axis gives me hives.”.


Fritz
-Votes Thesp
-Says Andrew is not the play.
-Votes SV
-Works out a deal with CES to lynch Thesp and SV
-A few posts about “why isn’t scum dead yet” and why aren’t more people voting SV
-Says that if there is a second vig they should not kill anyone in order to reveal whether SV is mafia or not. He also votes Andrew.



Glork
-Votes Andrew
-Foses CES
-FOSes Fritz
-Foses Zind and CES
-Votes CES and Foses Zind and Pat
-Asks why he looks like scum
-Says that Andrew is looking like a good voting alternative
-Votes Andrew
-Votes CES
-Claims that the town is so bandwagon.
-“Guys we should No Lynch. Just sayin'.”
-“Honest answer? Depends on the game, the players, and how I feel at the time.”
-“EBWODP: But that suggestion of No-Lynch was totally serious, I assure you. , Unvote CES, FOS/IGMEOY: CES , Vote: No Lynch”
-“It gives us information from night actions!!”
-“But we're more likely to kill a townie that way! It's only Day One, and we have nothing to go on!!”
-Votes Mgm for not paying attention.
-Says that hed kill everynight if he was vig
-“Alright, let's take an informal poll? Who here thinks I was *actually* serious about my No-Lynch suggestion?”
-“So what you're saying is that I, knowing that AndrewS picked up flak for voting No Lynch, and even participating in the ensuing bandwagon on him, decided to vote No-Lynch for some ulterior motive (presumably to push through this day without a lynch)?
Yeah. Right.”
-Foses IH for telling Thesp that he has his on him.
-Votes Ether
-Says that by his experience scum are less likely to defend partners as opposed to townies.
-Says we should bandwagon whoever he rolls
-Rolls thesp and says we should roll again.
-Rolls SV and votes SV telling Thesp he made a good find.
-“In all seriousness, at this point, I think I'd be okay with an SV lynch.”
-Says that he doesn’t like pats comment that a short time until deadline means that we need to decide which vote leader to lynch.
-“I don't think AndrewS is particularly scummy. I don't even necessarily think that his wagoners were scum, as I would have been very surprised to see him actually get lynched based on the NL suggestion. Slap-on-the-wrist and an overall IGMEOY feeling is about what I expected. And, to be frank, that's more or less what happened.”
-Asks for Thesp’s opinion on SV’s coles notes versions of Andrews posts.
-Votes Andrew stating that SV’s claim is provable.
-Votes Mgm.

[Nightfall]

"Can you expain how a vote for a confirmed innocent lynch eqautes to an actual confirmed innocent lynch? Seems harmless"

That's exactly how I see your argument.

Someone who votes for a confirmed innocent is obviously just fucking around; the confirmed innocent lynch would never actually get through. What's wrong?

???
So, in theory if I said :
"Hey everyone, lets out all of our power roles so that scum could pick them off easily"
... That would not be seen as scummy for the reason that it would never happen?

[Nightfall]

unvote; vote: Nightfall

I really don't see any point whatsoever to his new posting style, and I probably still wouldn't if I was at the height of my mental health.

I was going to list peoples actions before I got to my points. If you dont care for it though, I'll just go streight to my point the next time...

[Nightfall]

I was planning on doing a summery of everyones posts and explain what I found most scummy.

Sorry if I was wanting to put it all in one post so that people could see it easier IH. I was going to writes what I had thought about everyones actions after I had put everything they posted in order. I was in a way trying to show that I was following along with the posts people make.

[Nightfall]

PBPA on AndrewS.
Next will be Ether, then MgM, and maybe IH.


AndrewS
-Votes CD because of his username.

No comment

-Votes no lynch claiming that the odds are against us lynching scum.

Newbie scum tell… or is it… lets keep reading…

-Unvotes and attributes his proposal to the fact that we were still in the random vote stage and didnt seem to be going anywhere.

Hmmm seems like a possible truth

-Backs his no lynch idea insisting that he was frustrated with how long it was taking for us to get out of the random vote stage. Also states that he is not a newbie and that his actions were not because of inexperience.

Continues to push that his no lynch idea was genuine, and that he thought it would help get the game going

-Says that he guesses he should explain his actions, claiming that he was really just testing us to see how we react.

Under increased pressure he now claims that he did what he did to get reactions. Personally I hate this argument and think it should always (99.99% of the time) be seen as a scummy play. It is basically saying that all the reasons that people see him as being scummy are true but they don’t mean anything because he was trying to act scummy.

-Says that he wouldnt reasonably attempt to push a no lynch. He then votes Adele claiming that she is the most lynch hungry.

This is a big WIFOM statement. I also don’t personally agree with it. It is my belief that anyone that claims that they wouldn’t reasonably do something scummy after doing it, is trying to backtalk there way out of it.

-Says that what he proposed led to reactions and reasons for him to vote Adele

Those reasons being that she voted for him, for repeatedly backing the idea of no lynch. For this he calls her lynch hungry? Correct me if I’m wrong please but isn’t the point of the game to lynch scum? And if you are continually arguing to go no lynch isn’t that kind of scummy? Shouldn’t you be voted for doing that?

-Votes CES claiming that CES doesnt care what Andrews reasons were and that CES is avoiding his "questions".

CES answers his “questions” right after he asks them.

-States that random voting paterns are impossible to get info from. And repeats that his proposal was just an attempt to get more info.

Random votes, somewhat, but not entirely. Would they have STAYED random had Andrew not voted no lynch? I really doubt it. Andrew claims he voted no lynch to get info that random votes wouldn’t give us. Could the info not be obtained from the normal voting process if he had only waited a few more days?

-Tells MgM to read the game.
-States his past experiences with the game saying that he is not a newbie.

Good for you, but it doesn’t mean you cant make mistakes or make scumtells. It also doesn’t give you a get out of jail card for when you appear to perform them.

-Says that he is beyond a shadow of a doubt pro town.

So we can believe you here? Like we believed you when you were proposing a no lynch?

-Says that he believes many of the people that are voting for him are doing so because he disagrees with their logic.

We are voting you because you appear scummy. Either your scum and should be lynched, or you’re a townie and did something that although according to your logic isn’t scummy, it is to ours.

-Says that hes told his reasons for his actions, and if he is lynched and turns up town we should look at those voting him.
-Lists his top 3 suspects CES, Adele and Thesp.

I don’t see anything exceptionably scummy about these 3. It looks more like he is just focusing in on the people that disagree with his “logic”

-Says that Thesps logic is wrong and that he is assuming that his intent follows his actions.

Not really, Thesp as far I can see understands what he is saying perfectly well. He is also making very valid points that Andrew seems to rather sidestep claiming that thesp’s logic is wrong or he waits for ether to pipe up.

-Says that if he was scum he would know that he wouldnt be able to convince the town to go no lynch.

But would you still attempt it all the same in order to get to this position where you tell us you wouldn’t do it if you were scum. This is the key WIFOM part of the argument that both you and Ether are failing to comprehend.

-Votes MgM
-Tells MgM to read the game for his reasons for voting him.
-Claims that he decided to go ahead and vote no lynch because it was something "spectacular that everyone would notice".

We noticed, and thought it to be scummy, Adele voted him and got an earful, now we are stuck switching wine glasses when each other isn’t looking.

-Says that Mgm was the only one that misinterpreted Glorks no lynch vote .

I’m going to do a pbp on Mgm later but for now I’ll just say that I think this post along with others Andrew has made of Mgm are not overly accurate and paint mgm in a rather unfavourable and unnecessary negative light.

-Claims that he reread and that he finds IH scummier than Glork and SV.
-

*There is something I am noticing here...and if it continues I will come back to it eventually*

-Explains that he is suspect of SV and Glork because of their bandwagoning while less so of IH due to his lack of bandwagoning.
-Repeats that nobody but Mgm thought that Glork was serious.
-Tells thesp that his no lynch vote was a "prod to start the game"

I thought it was to get reactions? No wait I thought it was to go no lynch.. Wait what was it for again?

-Tells me that I say that I'll post something tommorrow too much, when I had yet to actually post it all game.

Read the game yourself

-Explains how if there are 2 nightkills the next night then SV must be telling the truth about her vig claim.
-Rolls off odds of there being additional vigs' in this game, and votes IH for "being on the band wagons and being lynch hungry".

All while a few posts ago he said IH was less scummy because he really didnt do those things…

[Nightfall]

I still stand by what I said about Andrew. His play was really scummy and he deserved the lynch. If Glork hadn't hammered when I was away at work, I would have done it when I arrived home.

[Nightfall]

I'm chalking this one up to bad memory if we have but Glork, have you and I played that many games together? I know I try to be in a lot of the games you mod, but I'm not sure about actually playing together. I ask this because I'm getting a odd impression from your posting. In day one you semed kind of sarcastic and joking, faily agressive and short of words. now in day 2 you seem to be analytical and more calm and careful about where you place your vote. I understand that this fits largely into your post a while back about reading between the lines and maybe the fact that we are down 3 town roles results in you taking things more cautious, but it is still a fairly significant change, at least on the surface.

P.S. my next post should be a pbpa on ether and then I'll try and do one on MgM.

[Nightfall]

I apoligize greatly about my lack of time. In addition to my normal lack of time, a personal situation has developed. I really dont want to leave this game though. Please let me try my best to contribute my pbpa and something else of worth over this weekend. If I am unable to do so, I will admit that I am unable to give this game the time that it rightfully deserves and at that time will ask to be replaced.

[Nightfall]

Okay.
I’ve read through everything that I have missed, and considering the amount that I missed that was a pretty big job. I will now do a PBPA on those that I have so far summarized the posts of. (These PBPA do not take into consideration any actions that have happened since I made the post summaries. I will comment on those soon.)

Adele
-Believed AndrewS' no lynch vote was against the towns best interest.

I agreed with her stance then, and I still do.

-Agreed that even if it was just to garner reactions it is scummy enough to recieve a vote.

I agreed with this too. I also did not see her voting Andrew as evidence of her being lynch happy as Andrew would later accuse her.

-Touches on Glork's hyper activity this game.

It might be because I have not played a game from the start with Glork in a long time, but I also noticed that he was more hyper and even a bit more eratic than he usually is in his games.

-Unvotes Andrew saying that the ends to his suposed point does not justify the means.

Adele appears to take Andrew’s “true intent” as being on the lvl and unvotes. I’m not sure how I feal on this move. She was the first one (?) to vote for Andrew for his no lynch proposal, but then leaves the wagon when Andrew made his less then convincing reveal of his real intents. It felt a little like she knew what would happen next.

-Joins the SV wagon because Zind is on it.

I don’t know why or how it started, but I’ve been in games with the two of them before and Adele following Zinds lead is not that uncommon. Adele joining the SV wagon seemed a little opertunistic while at the same time a way of dodging future blame for her vote if SV was a town lynch.

-Says that she wasnt completely sure if Glork was truthfull with his no lynch vote.

This I can believe, and almost agree with. When Glork made his original post, I was pretty sure he was kidding.. after his 2nd post I thought he was kidding, after his third post I thought he was kidding, after his fourth post I was a little confused.

ChannelDelibird
-Votes for Andrew for voting him over his username.
-Votes CES for wanting to …lynch progress?
-FOSes Andrew for his reasoning behind his no lynch suggestion.

Shows that he is against Andrew’s reasons for his no lynch vote, and FOSes him to make it clear.

-Asks Mgm if he prefers lurkers to people that post/talk too much.
-Says that Glork is acting like someone else this game and that he is being rather unhelpful. He also Votes Andrew for using the “If I was really scum I wouldn’t do that” comment.

Another person that feels that Glork is acting off of his normal game playing style. This and his (now) vote on Andrew over the WIFOM part of his play, are two things that I agree with.

-Corrects a vote count
-Apologizes for a lack of recent posting
- Agrees with IH that the random SV wagon is a bad idea

I agreed then, and I agree now.

-States that we should have all been voting Andrew a long time ago

I agree with this too.

A concern that I have with CDB’s play is that on one hand his views could be truthful, but on the other, they also appear to be the same as what is at the time the views of the majority. The SV wagon is the odd one out in this situation. A the same time desire to follow an SV wagon wasn’t held by that great of a majority.

CES
-Votes Thesp
-Asks Glork to vote Thesp
-Foses Glork for lying
-A few posts of negotiation between Glork and CES about the order they should lynch people.

The usual from CES

-FOSes Andrew
-Votes Andrew
-Mentions how he plays differently IRL than he does online
-Says that no lynching is bad for information flow.

Info from the days yes…

-Gives Andrew a small list of reasons why he would vote no lynch if he was scum.
-Says that he doesn’t see town doing what Andrew did.

Addresses the WIFOM part of Andrew’s argument

-A few jokes
-FOSes Patrick for “misrepresenting” Thesp
-Explains to Ether what part of Andrews “real reason for voting no lynch” is WIFOM

Again CES points out the questionable area of Andrew’s claim, but it falls upon deaf ears.

-Votes SV as part of the random wagon

I disagreed with this action

-FOSes IH and says that the wagon isn’t random.

Yes it is. It has been commented that some had doubts about SV’s alignment earlier on, but the wagon itself was randomly targeted. The only way the wagon could have not been random, would be if Glork had purposely targeted it towards SV

-FOSes CBird for agreeing with IH
-Votes Andrew claiming that SV’s claim is provable

Yes it is

-Makes a few comments promoting the idea of SV revealing the name of her vig target before we go into the night phase

For someone who just jumped off the wagon to give SV a chance at proving herself, it seems odd that he appears to be attempting to increase the difficulty for her to do so.

Ether
-Votes Buddylee
-Tells Glork his avatar is weird, and unvotes.
-Votes Andrew and claims that the whole idea of voting a no lynch right now confuses her.

Confuses? Regardless of the reason she is against it though

-(After Andrew gives his “real reason” for voting no lynch) Votes IH and says that she really doesn’t like the reaction Andrew is getting from other players.

If someone performs a scummy action I see no reason why they should not be called on it, nor a reason why they should not be held accountable for it.

-Says that a few reasons that people are voting Andrew are “bullshit” and “shrug”s them off. She also posts this : “The initial attack on AndrewS was that a no-lynch would hurt the town. It's been pointed out that a no-lynch wouldn't actually happen. So, yeah. The reason that scum would be more likely than town to vote no-lynch seems gone. Now what?” NOT understanding that this is a BIG WIFOM.

Ether appears to believe that Andrew’s own claim that scum would not promote a no lynch of being enough to show that he is not scum. Why is she so eager to take Andrew’s word and lash out against those that believe otherwise? She also doesn’t appear to clearly understand the idea of WIFOM.

-Posts “I haven't the slightest idea what's up with Mgm. I don't like him, but I like IH less.” Followed by a statement that she “loathe(s) the misrepresentative voters” for calling WIFOM on Andrew.

Again she shows confusion over the true WIFOM part of the situation. Ether also lashes out in some ways at other players. She has done this a few times with both Mgm and myself. I don’t know if this is scummy in itself, but it is worth noting.

-States that a real push for a no lynch is as unlikely as Andrew says it would be. She then rips into Mgm (“Mgm's posts give off a vibe of overwhelming stupid and I don't actually find them scummy.”) and calls Buddylee hypocritical for his comment “In other news, the Thesp-Glork axis gives me hives.”.

Again results to personal attacks, and displays her misunderstanding of why people are suspicious of Andrew.

Fritz
-Votes Thesp
-Says Andrew is not the play.
-Votes SV
-Works out a deal with CES to lynch Thesp and SV
-A few posts about “why isn’t scum dead yet” and why aren’t more people voting SV
-Says that if there is a second vig they should not kill anyone in order to reveal whether SV is mafia or not. He also votes Andrew.

Fritz’s last post is the only one I see of his to really contribute much of anything. For the record I agree with his comment though, and consider it more of a sign of townie than of scum.

On the topic of Fritz I must ask, why of all the talk about how I am “lurking” or “not bothering to post” and of how CDB is “attempting to make it look like he is contributing” why isn’t more attention being given to the fact that Fritz too has contributed very little?

Glork
-Votes Andrew
-Foses CES
-FOSes Fritz
-Foses Zind and CES
-Votes CES and Foses Zind and Pat
-Asks why he looks like scum
-Says that Andrew is looking like a good voting alternative
-Votes Andrew
-Votes CES

Up to this point Glork uncharacteristically appears to want to lynch everyone and everything.

-Claims that the town is so bandwagon.

He then claims that others are jumping onto people too much.

-“Guys we should No Lynch. Just sayin'.”
-“Honest answer? Depends on the game, the players, and how I feel at the time.”
-“EBWODP: But that suggestion of No-Lynch was totally serious, I assure you. , Unvote CES, FOS/IGMEOY: CES , Vote: No Lynch”
-“It gives us information from night actions!!”
-“But we're more likely to kill a townie that way! It's only Day One, and we have nothing to go on!!”

Makes multiple, not just one post about no lyncing.

-Votes Mgm for not paying attention.

I’ll double check this later.

-Says that hed kill everynight if he was vig

Again shows a bloodlust that I don’t typically associate with Glork and his style of play.

-“Alright, let's take an informal poll? Who here thinks I was *actually* serious about my No-Lynch suggestion?”

Posting it once can be considered an act of sarcasm, and of making a point. Posting it 4+ times can be seen as the same but with overkill

-“So what you're saying is that I, knowing that AndrewS picked up flak for voting No Lynch, and even participating in the ensuing bandwagon on him, decided to vote No-Lynch for some ulterior motive (presumably to push through this day without a lynch)?
Yeah. Right.”

I understand where Glork is coming from here but I believe he is not clear on Mgm’s reasoning for his somments

-Foses IH for telling Thesp that he has his on him.
-Votes Ether

Continues his aggressive play

-Says that by his experience scum are less likely to defend partners as opposed to townies.

This I agree with and will admit that up until he posted it I hadn’t really given it a great deal of thought. It made me more thoughtful of why Ether would appear to be defending Andrew.

-Says we should bandwagon whoever he rolls
-Rolls thesp and says we should roll again.
-Rolls SV and votes SV telling Thesp he made a good find.
-“In all seriousness, at this point, I think I'd be okay with an SV lynch.”
-Says that he doesn’t like pats comment that a short time until deadline means that we need to decide which vote leader to lynch.

This coming after he just started a new bandwagon by rolling a pair of dice? Pat’s reasoning to me seemed much more based on reason. On the surface at least.

-“I don't think AndrewS is particularly scummy. I don't even necessarily think that his wagoners were scum, as I would have been very surprised to see him actually get lynched based on the NL suggestion. Slap-on-the-wrist and an overall IGMEOY feeling is about what I expected. And, to be frank, that's more or less what happened.”

See next red comment

-Asks for Thesp’s opinion on SV’s coles notes versions of Andrews posts.
-Votes Andrew stating that SV’s claim is provable.

Vote = IGMEOY & Slap on the wrist?

-Votes Mgm.

I am going to go through Mgm’s posts again, but for now I don’t think he should be getting as much negativity as he has been getting…

_________________

I will go into more detail when I post again, but a lot of the recent posts seem to be on the topic of people lurking or posting as to appear to be helpful. I will re-ask my question from above since there seems to be an even larger number of callouts for people to post something of content… Why hasn’t Fritz been accused of flying under the radar, or of lurking in plain sight?


P.S. My readthrough and this post took a total of about 2 1/2 hours to accomplish, hopefully it is enough to show you all that I am still interested in this game and determined to help out and see it though. Tommorrow being Monday, I will once again be at work during the day, but I will do my best to contribute on anything new when I return home (roughly 24 hours from this point in time).

[Nightfall]

I'm not fealing that great physically this evening, maybe Fritz's comment will be clearer to me in the morning?...

[Nightfall]

For the record, I think confusion is far more likely to be exhibited by town.

Then were the votes that were made on Mgm because of his confusion seen as "scummy" to you?

[Nightfall]

I agree with Adele's post 698.

In contrast to my more recent posts, I must say that I am now finding Glork and Fritz less likely to be scum. With that being said, I don't entire agree with their views.

Fritz, if Thesp is not the play today, do you see him as the play for a day soon to come? Or is he more on your pro town list?

Also,
Thesp, do you agree with this? ->

For the record, I think confusion is far more likely to be exhibited by town.

Then were the votes that were made on Mgm because of his confusion seen as "scummy" to you?

I'm not confused. I may not have paid attention one or two times, but the "not paying attention count" against me is grossly overstated. Everything other than the times I haven't paid attention is simply a disagreement on gameplay.

One last thing, Glork, how do you stand in regards to CES, Pat, Zind, and Lee?

[Nightfall]

Vote : Ether

I really dont know how I feal about any of the other options right now.
I feal the most comfortable with my vote on Ether.

[Nightfall]

:post comming tommorrow.:

[Nightfall]

1>

Hm. I take it there's no mason group if Adele's claim holds true.

Unvote, Vote: Thesp

Really? If there are masons in this game, you think Adele would have to be one?


2>

-Says that he doesn’t like pats comment that a short time until deadline means that we need to decide which vote leader to lynch.

This coming after he just started a new bandwagon by rolling a pair of dice? Pat’s reasoning to me seemed much more based on reason. On the surface at least.

(

o.

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I just realized that he calls Patrick "Pat" at some points, which I hadn't picked up on the first time I tried Find. Nightfall, you never really elaborate on this sentence and I'm not sure what you're insinuating with it.)

Me calling Patrik pat is cause for alarm? The point of my comment was that at that point Glork was the last one that should be commenting on how Pat (O.o) chooses how to place his vote.

3>
There was also a post somewhere (I think) by Patrik that said that he was just a little disappointed that I made my pbpa alphabetically.
I just felt I should point out that that wasn't actually my plan. I decided I would do it in the order that people were listed in post 1, as to avoid looking like I had an ulterior motive in choosing an order.
It just so happened that we were listed alphabetically in that post.

[Nightfall]

Nightfall, "on the surface at least" is the part that bothers me. Please elaborate.

What I ment there was that when you look at Pat and Glorks votes in question, Pat's vote seems to be based more on logic and reason. He looked at who the vote leaders were and thought that it would be best to focus on them before a soon to come deadline arrived. Glork on the other hand, rolled a pair of dice. Now earlier today Glork shared how alot of his actions in day one may have seemed random and a little un-thought out but he really did have reasons for his actions. Glork made that post before my pbpa. I wanted to point out that just looking at the way they voted on day one, Pat seemed to have the more logical stance. Eventhough Glork could have really had his reasons, they were not displayed at the time of his vote.

I hope that makes more sense now.

[Nightfall]

*Want an answer before moving on*

1>

Hm. I take it there's no mason group if Adele's claim holds true.

Unvote, Vote: Thesp

Really? If there are masons in this game, you think Adele would have to be one?

[Nightfall]

Nightfall, the town gets 3 non-townie roles. Spectrumvoid filled the first slot, Adele the second. As you need 2 masons to make a masonry, the town doesn't have a mason group.

Thank you.

With that I will give a big

FOS: Fritz

The only reason I didn't press more on fritz the other day was because I thought he made a hint at a mason claim.

[Nightfall]

I think I've got a good enough read on him that I can pretty confidently say that if I thought he were scum, I'd be all over him by now. I *would* like to see him contribute a little more, but I do not think we should be going after him for the time being. (That said, I've had only vague passing suspicions of you anyway, so I'm probably not the one who *should* be answering that question.)

See, this is why I keep getting the opinion that you and Fritz were claiming to be masons. That, or you are purposely trying to screw with us >:(

I hope that makes more sense now.

Okay. It wasn't really saying anything about scumminess or opinion or anything interesting at all, then. Pfeh, I was getting my hopes up.

An attack from Ether? oh well, it's not like I was expecting anything more...

So, um, Ether... why no hammer before you went to bed?

Well, I definitely had the chance. I dimly remember staring at his posts two hours before deadline trying to remember why I had offered the hammer. These thoughts were based on how scummy I found him as opposed to the parity issues I'd spoken of when I said I'd hammer, and my Thespscum thoughts have never gone very far.

Well thank you for clearing that up yesterday so that someone else could move on it... or wait...that never happend? oh yeah...

Sound reminiscent of D2 when she said she'd hammer Thesp? Hmm.

I do not understand the significance of this remark.

It means your leading us on again. Maybe we'll go for another no lynch?

Nightfall: What are your thoughts on the non-lynch of Thesp yesterday? Do you think anybody is likely to be scummy for not dropping the hammer? Pro-town?

Although I was not a big fan of a possible Thesp lynch, I'd agree that it appears a little scummy for players who spoke that they were pro Thesp lynch and could have lynched him, yet did not do so. I personally was if I remember correctly was asleep at the deadline.

[quote ="Pat"]
Nightfall: I'm not watching him as closely as some others. Lurks at times. Didn't agree with some stuff he said about Andrew, though he sounds genuine enough. I'd put him at neutral.

Q: If I am unable to check the thread, and for that reason do not post, do you consider that lurking? I'm really just curious.

[Nightfall]

EBWOP

I think I've got a good enough read on him that I can pretty confidently say that if I thought he were scum, I'd be all over him by now. I *would* like to see him contribute a little more, but I do not think we should be going after him for the time being. (That said, I've had only vague passing suspicions of you anyway, so I'm probably not the one who *should* be answering that question.)

See, this is why I keep getting the opinion that you and Fritz were claiming to be masons. That, or you are purposely trying to screw with us >:(

I hope that makes more sense now.

Okay. It wasn't really saying anything about scumminess or opinion or anything interesting at all, then. Pfeh, I was getting my hopes up.

An attack from Ether? oh well, it's not like I was expecting anything more...

So, um, Ether... why no hammer before you went to bed?

Well, I definitely had the chance. I dimly remember staring at his posts two hours before deadline trying to remember why I had offered the hammer. These thoughts were based on how scummy I found him as opposed to the parity issues I'd spoken of when I said I'd hammer, and my Thespscum thoughts have never gone very far.

Well thank you for clearing that up yesterday so that someone else could move on it... or wait...that never happend? oh yeah...

Sound reminiscent of D2 when she said she'd hammer Thesp? Hmm.

I do not understand the significance of this remark.

It means your leading us on again. Maybe we'll go for another no lynch?

Nightfall: What are your thoughts on the non-lynch of Thesp yesterday? Do you think anybody is likely to be scummy for not dropping the hammer? Pro-town?

Although I was not a big fan of a possible Thesp lynch, I'd agree that it appears a little scummy for players who spoke that they were pro Thesp lynch and could have lynched him, yet did not do so. I personally was if I remember correctly was asleep at the deadline.

[quote ="Pat"]
Nightfall: I'm not watching him as closely as some others. Lurks at times. Didn't agree with some stuff he said about Andrew, though he sounds genuine enough. I'd put him at neutral.
[/quote]

Q: If I am unable to check the thread, and for that reason do not post, do you consider that lurking? I'm really just curious.

[Nightfall]

Speaking of CDB,

CDB you still here?

[Nightfall]

Why aren't you willing to do the legwork yourself and see who else is willing to?

FOS: MBL

I dont like how that came across. What if we just cant find what your talking about?

[Nightfall]

Well thank you for clearing that up yesterday so that someone else could move on it... or wait...that never happend? oh yeah...

You said you would lynch him.
You didn't and we went no lynch.
You said after that you changed your mind.
To bad you didnt post that before you went to bed or before the deadline when someone else could have done something about it.

Although I was not a big fan of a possible Thesp lynch,

Uh. What?

What? Thesp is not at the top of my possible scum list so I didn't have that strong a desire to see him get lynched... What is so confusing there?

[Nightfall]

Then you said you were cool with a no-lynch anyway (and you did place what was only the second vote on me, after deadline announcement, pre-Adele claim). I don't get it.

1. I dont believe that I ever said I was cool with a no-lynch
2. I thought Adele wasn't scum and didn't want to vote her.
3. Maybe I did vote you after the announcement of a deadline, so? I didn't say that I would hammer Thesp. You called it, and you decided not to follow through without telling anyone.



MBL > Okay, now I got yah. I'll do a reread of his posts tommorrow when I get home. Maybe I'll find it then. When I do think I find something though, or even if I dont, at that point will you share with me what it is you think is so scummy? We might end up with completely diferent posts and reasons. And in that scenerio I would like to know what you found to be the scummiest thing.

[Nightfall]

Thesp is tomorrow's lynch, dude.

If Thesp is tommorrows lynch then why are you voting for him today?

Thesp: 2 (CES ChannelDelibird)

FOS: CES.......

[Nightfall]

Also, MBL, I've looked for it. I've read his posts in isolation and re-read the entire thread. I didn't find anything. I see no reason to search further.

I've also looked now. I too dont see what MBL is talking about.
I on the other hand am not convinced of CDB's scummness.
And, CES, if you can't find anything in CDB's posts, how are you already convinced that he's scum?

This isn't fealing right...

Vote : CES

[Nightfall]

Could everyone who is voting CDB because of his claim, just for clarity, answer me this?
Are you voting him because you think he is scum and he is faking his RB claim?
or are you voting him because you think he is scum even if he is an RB?

Pat > I will answer your question, but I would like to see how people answer the above question first. It will not change my response, but if I answer you first I could see it possibly effecting others' answers.

[Nightfall]

Compared to a cop and a deputy, the roleblocker is weak, even if he's useful an sich.

Agreed.

It's still more powerful than a vanilla townie.

Agreed.

CES > Yes I read the first page, I was hoping someone else would miss that.

Pat > I can't find anything really scummy in CDB's posts. I would like to hear MBL's reasoning for his suspicions. At the same time I don't find anything overly town-ike in CDB's posts. I'm not entirely sure yet if I believe his claim though.

[Nightfall]

I too would like to hear from CDB, but I would REALLY like to hear more from Ether and Fritzer. posts from Buddylee and Zind would also be welcome though.

[Nightfall]

MOD

- In theory, if we did have a deputy who became a cop and then was either nightkilled or lynched, would his card upon death be that of a cop? or of a deputy?

Vote: CES

how can you think that a lynch an "investigated innocent". Why jump right to the Godfather theory?

[Nightfall]

Glork A few of those hints were making me think you were a Mason.

@ Pat about CES
~My concern is that how hard he is pushing for a Thesp lynch even with a believed innocent investigation. Right away he goes for the godfather card, barely giving the thought that he could have been wrong a chance to settle.
~How he acted during the CDB lynch also doesn't sit extremely well with me.
He helped to lynch scum but he seemed to want to understate the chances that we could have been lynching a power role.
~Since he was holding off for the hammer it does leave me with a little worried that he might have been trying to give his scum buddy every chance to safe himself before he was hammared.
~As for metegaming, I'm not certain, but I think when CES is protown, even when he is being snarky about it, he is a little bit more willing to discuss things and the possibility that others may be right.

vote: Nightfall: He's still scum. (I will acknowledge that the kill didn't look like Nightfall's doing at all, nor Channel's. Awesome. We should discuss at some point who wouldn't catch on to Fritzler so they can get town points. (This is where my train of thought fails me; I'm not sure who else wouldn't. It got by me, but I suppose that's not the answer you want to hear.))
3

Pardon?

[Nightfall]

Please prod or replace Zindaras.

Please prod or replace Ether too.

[Nightfall]

This is the only game that I hate that we lost something in.
Someone (who I forget) made a really scummy post agreeing with Ether...

In response to Pat.
1. Yes I thought he was under contributing. I think Fritz usually posts a little more often in other games and although he acts just as snippy he seems to have more substance behind his accusations.

2. After I brought up his lack of posting, I started to see what I thought were mason tells between Fritz and Glork so I even tried to steer suspicion away from them.

I agree with Adele's post 698.
In contrast to my more recent posts, I must say that I am now finding Glork and Fritz less likely to be scum. With that being said, I don't entire agree with their views.

Thinking they could be Masons I asked Fritz and Glork a few things to see their thoughts

Fritz, if Thesp is not the play today, do you see him as the play for a day soon to come? Or is he more on your pro town list?

One last thing, Glork, how do you stand in regards to CES, Pat, Zind, and Lee?

[Nightfall]

I dont think I can say much to sway you guys. Even if I could I dont think I'd have the time needed for it. I am a townie. Throughout this game I went with what I thought was truthfully the best path / choices for the town. I really thought Andrew was scum, and I really didn't find anything horrid in CDB's posts. Overall this has actually been a pretty poor game for me I must say. (Sorry about that Stoof lol). Right now I am actually thinking that my lynch may provide others with further insight into peoples true allignments so it may be worth sacrificing myself. I want to ask you guys though, for a second, asume that I am truely town, do you guys think it would be worth lynching me for the info it would give?

[Nightfall]

Nightfall treats Glork with great caution trying not to give him fuel to counterattack with--apprehension is palpable and they are not likely scum together. He somewhat takes the township of Fritz for granted. He is using instances of Ether's "confusion" to draw suspicion upon her. Did not fuel the Adelewagon. Minimal analysis of CDB's minimalist play. Took a hard look at each of CES's D1 votehops.

The truth? I'm a little scared of Glork. I think he's a really good player and if he is scum he would likely over time be able to lead me on and get me thinking a little less for myself and more following his lead. Because I don't really want to risk letting him influence me, I tred very carefully when we speak.

[Nightfall]

I know that wehn you read this right now you might think that I am scum trying to act sincere, but I want to put this down since I am pretty sure that I dont have long in this game. When I am lynched and I turn out town like I said, please then look heavily at Ether. She has gotten through multiple days while acting as one of the scummiest of the bunch, and beyond being asked repeatedly to post and explain herself she has been allowed to float on by. CES and Glork are also giving me grave concerns right now.

[Nightfall]

Wow really? OMG thanks for pointing that out.
Will you at least value it more than you do now?, you know,
since now you think I am scum, and when I'm dead you'll know I'm town?
I would hope that you would at least think about it a little at that point.

[Nightfall]

Nightfall's post 1330 seems to be adressing CES as though he thinks or knows that CES is town, whereas two posts before he said that CES was a grave concern of his.

It was more of a "If you happen to be town, I hope you take this to heart" type post. CES somewhat said that if I turn up town, my expressed thoughts would not influence his. I find that in itself a little scummy and so I said that if he is town then I hope he and everyone else does take what I said into consideration.

[Nightfall]

Still here, and still wanting to lynch CES or Ether.

[Nightfall]

@ Glork

~My concern is that how hard he is pushing for a Thesp lynch even with a believed innocent investigation. Right away he goes for the godfather card, barely giving the thought that he could have been wrong a chance to settle.
~How he acted during the CDB lynch also doesn't sit extremely well with me. He helped to lynch scum but he seemed to want to understate the chances that we could have been lynching a power role.
~Since he was holding off for the hammer it does leave me with a little worried that he might have been trying to give his scum buddy every chance to safe himself before he was hammared.
~As for metegaming, I'm not certain, but I think when CES is protown, even when he is being snarky about it, he is a little bit more willing to discuss things and the possibility that others may be right.

~And since I posted the above, CES has also expressed that he will care very little what my thoughts are, even if I am telling the truth and am revealed as town through death.

@ Ether

I'd still be happiest killing Nightfall, as his recent posts have been purely emotional appeals:

Why don't you perform your "killing"s at night with the rest of your scum buddies.

[Nightfall]

Glork could you list all the living players each followed by the % of a chance that you think they'll turn out to be scum?

[Nightfall]

Nightfall appeared to be somewhat on the ball early and has given up. Did a PBPA on half the town alphabetically, which is suspect. Upped his posting when he was about to be lynched, then disappeared again. Has asked one question in the past month, and it was about himself.

When this game first started I was really eager to help out. It was my first invite game. At the start I really thought that Andrew was scummy, and when he turned up town I was truely surprised and I became a little doubtful of my abilities. That paired with a reduced amount of time I had to participate lead to few posts from me. Lately after a long absense herself, Ether once again pounces on me acusing me of being scum. Seeing as how she's been doing it for the whole game it has got a little anoying and bothersome. I have recently come to believe from the way things are going that my time in this game is running short. Therefore I have posted my thoughts on who I believe to be scum and asked those who doubted my sincerity to please once I am gone look back over what I have said. I only ask this so that other town members who outlive me can see what I, a fellow town member had been thinking and where my mind was.

[Nightfall]

Pat>
I had thought that I mentioned prodding Zindaras a few times but looking back I guess I didn't. My thoughts at the time were that we should prod him and if he doesn't pick them up or contribute after a period of time than a modkill would be acceptable. I wasn't sure how easy getting a replacement for an invitation game that is approaching 60 pages in length would be.

Why I am pro Ether lynch is because of a few things. At the very start of the game Ether seemed to defend Andrew to the point that it looked almost as if she "knew" he would turn out to be town. In order to do this though she misrepresented the facts a few times used Wifom thoughts to argue her points and on quite a few occasions seemed to get very defensive and resort to character attacks against myself, MGM, and I believe others. Since that period of the game, she too has been a heavy lurker showing up only after multiple requests for her to do so, and only when people are throwing around the idea of her lynch. When she does decide to pop in it is to just once again attack primarily myself but also others aswell.

[Nightfall]

*Posting in all my games*
I will be away until tuesday because of the long weekend.
I dont believe I will have internet access, but if I find that I do, I will be sure to post something.

I am PM'ing Stoofer right now to request an Extension.

@Glork / Pat > For most of this game Ether has pressed her stance that Andrews comment was NOT a WIFOM issue and not scummy. No mater how much Thesp in particular pressed and discussed the issure she continued to take the position that Andrew wasn't wrong or scummy in anyway. It MIGHT not be an issue of knowing that he'd turn out town, but there was deffinately some sort of Halo effect mindset going on there.

@Thesp > As for my recent posts, I feal pretty bad that I haven't been able to pull my weight in this game. These posts were reflective of this fact and also answers to questions from others.

[Nightfall]

I thought Ether was scummy not because she didn't hammer Thesp but because she had said she would, and without posting otherwise before the deadline, she failed to do so.

MOD: Because of my normal lack of time and because of additional complications in my personal life, I will have to ask for a potential replacement. I would really like to see this game through but real life is more important and I am working on a very delicate situation. It doesn't help my situation to be worried about being lynched here, and it certainly doesn't help the town for me to neglect this game for my own reasons. I'm sorry I didn't do this earlier but I thought I could hold out till the end. Sadly I was wrong. Sorry.

[Nightfall]

*Glad I backed MGM earlier on*