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Current townreads are here:
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24. ArcAngel9"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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All your claim amounts to is a useless role. I can easily see that there are two killing roles in the game after the first night, after there are two kills. Meanwhile, your claim is pretty great for an SK because nobody in their right mind will shoot you. Why didn't you wait until night to claim?In post 208, Oversoul wrote:Nacho, don't be so blind"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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That's not why you claimed, now is it?In post 214, Oversoul wrote:I wanted to nip CTD's plan in the bud because I think it would be highly detrimental to the town.
No would want to shoot you because you are useless. You don't need protection because you won't be shot.In post 215, Oversoul wrote:And why wouldn't anyone shoot me?
Why would anyone want to protect me? I'm not exactly useful anymore.
I know. That doesn't change I will probably know how many killing roles are in the game by Day 2.In post 216, Oversoul wrote:Also I think the operative word is *at least*
It doesn't say for a fact that there are only 2 killing roles in the game"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Oversoul claimed an informed townie with useless information, got called out on it, said he had more information.In post 236, Desperado wrote:I am dumb, present, and currently busy, which means I will not be able to re-read this thread until late tonight at the earliest.
Can anyone summarize the proceedings thus far?
Otherwise, we're talking about a massclaim."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Some bad experiences with massclaims in games? Link them. Just because you had massclaims do bad things in other places doesn't mean they will here. Meanwhile, the preference for the "old-fashioned" way seems like nothing more than preference. We're still catching them the old-fashioned way, we just have a little more information to work with.In post 237, Bulbazak wrote:Yeah, not mass-claiming. Sorry. I've had some bad experiences with mass claims in games, and every time it led to a scum victory, because the game became less about scum hunting and scum tells and more about what was probable. It also puts our PRs in harms way. I'd rather catch scum the old fashioned way while the PRs do their job in secret, until they feel it is in the best interest of the town to out themselves. So sorry, not claiming. Deal with it."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In AMURIKA, massclaiming did only good things for you guys. If you allowed Gorgon and Peregrine to have a little more time before claiming, Peregrine would've had a Public Investigator claim which would've pretty much took away all chance of him being lynched ever. In True Love, that's a different mechanic. We're not claiming lovers, we're claiming roles.In post 243, Bulbazak wrote:Amurika Mafia: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=25487"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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But that ended up happening because you guys started playing the "oh, I don't think he's scum because his name fits" game. We have no names to worry about here.In post 253, Bulbazak wrote:@Nacho: But the massclaim in Amurika also allowed Peregrine to escape being lynched for 2 days, because he wrote off any reason given as having to do with his name claim. He made it to Lylo because the claim gave him cover. The role and name claims became a distraction more than a help, and scum, especially Peregrine, were able to get farther than they should.
They aren't, necessarily. I became a little more favorable to massclaims with possible SKs after how that game turned out, though, but I've always been a fan of them as I said several times. I just didn't want to massclaim when I already had several strong scum suspects that were probably going to get lynched.In post 260, Slandaar wrote:Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?
That's stupid.In post 263, Oversoul wrote:This activity from HD makes me think he is town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Reference to an old game.In post 266, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
what are you even talking about hereIn post 260, Slandaar wrote:Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?
Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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For some reason I thought you were the one who got them confused.In post 273, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
okay.In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Reference to an old game.In post 266, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
what are you even talking about hereIn post 260, Slandaar wrote:Why are your views so polar opposite to our recent meeting Nacho?
Bulba, but are you willing to this game?
B&B, the skull stands for Destroyer.
why are you telling me what the skull stands for
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
No.In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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But leaving things secret in a massclaim is not that important, especially so early on. Scum won't care about your role when they have plenty of other power roles to go through; meanwhile, the scum we can catch will be hiding behind your refusal. It doesn't help anyone if you refuse to massclaim but don't stop the massclaim; in fact, that's pretty much the most anti-town way you can respond to the plan.In post 281, Bulbazak wrote:
Yes, I will not claim as part of a massclaim. I seriously hate it that much. I understand that I may die because of it (see Newbie 1337), but at least that leaves something secret and unknown to scum (Tracey was right in this regard, and she should not have claimed during Amurika Mafia.).In post 277, Nachomamma8 wrote:[
Even if there are a majority of people who think it's a good idea?In post 274, Bulbazak wrote:
No.In post 271, Nachomamma8 wrote: Bulba, but are you willing to this game?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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We won't start claiming until a majority agrees with it. If you would like, we can simply remove an equal number of stalwarts from each side, and majority of the players remaining decide. Slandaar, why don't you want to massclaim?In post 290, Oversoul wrote:What constitutes a majority? I can already see having like 6/7 stalwarts and then the rest claiming essentially pushing those stalwarts to claim simply because it started"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why is it awful?In post 307, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Lets not and forget that you're even supporting such a god awful idea."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't think it's a bad idea to start a massclaim early, get players with good synergy to get working with each other, get a little info from PRs, catch one or two free scum, dominate."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Why not?In post 317, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I don't like the idea of mass claiming. I rather not at least not on Day1.
HD, Mollie is town, so you'll have to put up with Majiffy."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'm telling you that one head of the hydra is dropping towntells that I am 90% confident about. This means you can either ignore my opinion on someone I clearly know better than you (since even a cursory meta look will see that yeah, Majiffy rarely explains his reads), or you can waste that vote for however more pages you keep it there."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It was scummy in itself because that role would never exist. Now he's scummy for other reasons, but the claim still sucks.
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Informed townie where the piece of information given is "there are at least two killing roles" doesn't exist because it's completely fucking useless information. I seriously doubt that it would be involved in any information he was given, but am not sure.In post 354, Red Ryu wrote:I'm catching up via phone but your saying informed townie can't exist? I've seen this role and been it, why can't he be one. You seem dead certain he can't without asking a single question about his role.
Later.In post 354, Red Ryu wrote:If he is scummy for other reasons tell me why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Because you're not confirmed scum. That was rhetoric.In post 378, Om the Destroyer wrote:"confirmed scum"...why?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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His playstyle does though!In post 384, Om the Destroyer wrote:
Majiffy can answer for himself, Nacho.In post 380, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Because you're not confirmed scum. That was rhetoric.In post 378, Om the Destroyer wrote:"confirmed scum"...why?
That still doesn't explain his failure to push his apparently preferred Ceph wagon in any sort of productive way so yeah.
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don't vote B&B please"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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if oversoul is scum, this dies instantly
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No, it isn't SINCE WE WOULD KNOW BY DAY 2.In post 423, Red Ryu wrote:Hey no. That info is relevant if he is telling the truth.
Spoiler: <<<Mod-edited-in-votecount>>>Last edited by mastin2 on Tue May 07, 2013 4:05 am, edited 3 times in total."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Doctor probably doesn't get a successful protect in a 24 person game N1 unless scum are incompetent or extremely unlucky. Poisoner? Yeah, no. People might opt not to shoot? Most one-shot vigs shoot the first night, and people not shooting is an assumption that isn't likely, sorry.In post 461, Red Ryu wrote:So a doctor wouldn't stop a kill? A poisoner is out of the question. People might opt to not shoot? These abilities might be one shot?
He specifically said roles so I wanted to ask again what that ment paraphrased since that info may or may not count mafia/ other things depending jow it was worded.
What's more you show knowledge you already know something about this situation. Wether he is lying or telling the truth."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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he's telling us there's either two scum teams, scum and a vig, scum and an SK. I could make that assumption about a 24 player normal game pretty easily. 6/7 of the last completed large normals had a vig in some form, and the one that didn't only had 16 players, soooo.In post 466, Red Ryu wrote:His info legit tells us either how many bad guys out there can kill/factions Indy, or he is teillng is about town."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This game constantly requires us to take leaps of faith and assume things. When you play, you assume there is a way to distinguish whether someone gets a role PM that says "you win with town" from "you win with scum". You assume that if you find scum, you will be able to convince people to get them lynched. You assume scum will do this, you assume that people will do that, you assume that this game is possible for your side to win. You back up these assumptions with evidence. I making an assumption about the setup that SHOULD be obvious to most of you, Oversoul is claiming something that is completely useless to us. What use is a role whose information will be revealed by Day 2 (or even by Day 3 if someone gets lucky)?In post 470, Red Ryu wrote:Your assuming again and showboat foresight that you even considered that he was town.
If I lynch him, it will be on his play today not his role."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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There's a better reason.In post 485, Bacde wrote:are we just lynching OS because its OS or is there a better reason?
I don't really think he thought it was silly and useless at the time. I think he thought that it was a believable sounding claim that would grab him a little bit of towncred early, prevents him from getting targetted byIn post 493, DLG wrote:Walk me through why you think Oversoul would throw out such a silly and useless claim as scum.mostpower roles if he pulls it off, and it doesn't automatically sound like a scum fakeclaim like miller/PGO.
I have the early town read on ArcAngel because she's been fairly genuine so far. She's usually pretty detached as scum, picks her fights carefully, falls behind and play perpetual underwhelming catchup. It's usually page 20 or so, but she's not showing her usual scum signs quite yet.In post 493, DLG wrote:Also, why'd you have the early Town read on ArcAngel9, and is that still where you're at on her?
Mac seems fine.In post 501, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:help me sort out eddie and mac
Nero, that point was pretty stupid.In post 512, Nero Cain wrote:hey look!! A deflection.
technically "scum" is mafia slang, if there is such a thing.In post 515, Nero Cain wrote:'cause technically 3rd party are still scum
Why did you skip everything you missed?In post 518, Oversoul wrote:1) I realize that
2) why did you answer for Nero?
3) confused as to how Beast made any distinction... That was Nero. They just called him SK essentially
Nero, I repeat my question... Hopefully with more clarification.
What was your motivation in changing scum to Mafia? They are the same thing essentially and your point wasn't lost when you used the word scum.
pedit: hmm... Ok."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I guess I'll let mollie answer your question first.In post 586, Nero Cain wrote:Why is this a bad/stupid point, Nacho?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Now I ask why you care about her specific reasoning as to why you are a third party. The scumtell should be that she's looking for third party, not that you're checking for valid reasoning or not.In post 597, Nero Cain wrote:So Mollie, why did you call me a 3rd party?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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when people call me third party, i call them scum unless they have a penchant for the thing, like most normal people.In post 611, Nero Cain wrote:I mean really, its like the first thing anyone would do is ask why a player said that. Bcade is probs right that Nacho is scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I'm saying that I would think a player is scum if they called me the SK unless they are known for oddly calling players third party.In post 618, Nero Cain wrote:So you're saying that you would think a player was scum if they called you the sk without a strong/good reasoning. Wich is exactly what I said a few posts ago...."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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mollie...In post 621, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:although I really think we should be voting thor"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I figured that he was lying, so I pushed him for it. The massclaim idea you might not like, but I don't really see how that makes me scum.In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho is a read we both share, neither of us like the mass-claim and neither of us like his push on OS who we both think is probably town.
I've heard "massclaim, summary, OS is town". That's about it.In post 635, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I have quite a fair amount of reason for Nacho-scum
I don't like the way he's responding so far, but I'm still waiting for the wheels to turn a little more before I give a solid read on him.In post 641, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?
You got me all excited when you said you were gonna provide reasoning later...In post 677, Bacde wrote:I'm actually down to lynch nacho
this feels like scum-nacho to me
(how was that as a contribution?)
It's also a good case to push as town, considering he was lying and it's a shitty gambit as town.In post 686, Bacde wrote:town-nacho would not have tunneled this idiotic OS case for this long
but its the perfect case for him to push as scum
Why?In post 688, Nero Cain wrote:pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.
Hey fuzzy, nice of you to join us? Where have you been?
Red Ryu! Why didn't you like my observations on Oversoul?In post 754, Red Ryu wrote:People should put more votes on Nacho.
Why did you think that anyone would jump down your throat to get you lynched for it?In post 820, Oversoul wrote:I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I knew that he proposed a D1 massclaim every game.In post 843, Slandaar wrote:Nacho did you know what CTD was doing?
Ryu seems scummier lately, but DLG is still clean.In post 844, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho, thoughts on Ryu and DLG?
So you did something weird so you would be wagonned, so people would attack you. Even though you thought this would happen anyway?In post 848, Oversoul wrote:People really just like wagoning me for whatever reason. I don't think I've ever gone through a game where people have not either wagoned me or suspected me for a long period of time.
When I do strange things I usually get wagoned, see AFFC where I mixed up my role PM, see 90s Cartoon Mafia where I did another gambit, see First Time Mafia where people did not necessarily wagon me for my gambit claim, but they did announce suspicion.
It isn't a tell in that "if a player gambits, they will be voted" but more so "if Oversoul does something strange, he will be voted".
I will try to give reads on the people who reacted for those who asked, but don't expect them to be timely. Also expect that post to be long.
1. He's not informed. The information he provided was useless.In post 855, Bacde wrote:@Nacho no its not a shitty gambit to do as town, if he is actually informed then its helpful for him to reveal his information ASAP. Also my reasoning is pretty much that your play in this game isn't your town play. Thats it.
2. You can't just say that this isn't my town play when you don't really know what the difference between my town play and scum play is.
You still aren't answering my question.In post 873, Red Ryu wrote:Nacho has been tunneling a read and shown he has never tried to read into intent, he has shown he wants a lynch.
Really.In post 875, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeingIn post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?
I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago
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I noticed that Oversoul was lying. I pushed him for a lynch on the basis that he was lying about his role, I could see why he would want to claim it as scum, and I couldn't see why he wanted to claim it as town.In post 933, Red Ryu wrote:Nacho claimed he was gonna lynch Oversoul because on the sole fact, he claimed informed townie and said there were two killing roles in them game.
He said the information was not possible and useless.
It should be quite the opposite, but if the possibility of him thinking this as town and just focusing hard on this is up think again.
I gathered his information was not legitimate because it was essentially useless. That was not really that difficult to do. Then, when it comes to light that the information was useless, you... keep pushing me. Because I didn't consider the possibility of him telling the truth. Even though he wasn't.In post 949, Red Ryu wrote:when he had no knowledge that his info was not legitimate,
Not this one!In post 1056, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:hey nacho there is this game you are ignoring
Majiffy.In post 1073, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Right. You on the Nacho wagon, then? Otherwise, get on it. He's been deliberately avoiding this thread; posting elsewhere and didn't even bother to check in here.
I haven't been avoiding the thread. I wasn't around for a little while, had to play catchup elsewhere. So I saved this one for last considering there was a lot of reading to do but it's still Day 1 here.In post 1124, Cephrir wrote:I'm starting to come around somewhat just based on the avoiding the thread thing. That's the only thing though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Mafia would figure out if there were two teams D1 based on size unless the teams are very uneven, which is unlikely because this is a normal game and not a theme game where powers are a lot better than numbers. We could probably piece it together on D2; town one shots don't really matter much since vigs usually use their shots early. If the only information an informed townie has is "there are at least two killing roles" and the other killing role is a town one-shot, then that information doesn't really help us much except to confirm the one-shot vig if the kill doesn't go through, which is unlikely unless he's an idiot. We don't KNOW for sure by Day 2, but 9 times out of 10 we can take a damn good guess, and we don't really need an informed townie to tell us that we're correct. That was my logic for pushing Oversoul; I knew he was lying, and, because I saw that it had more scum motivation than town motivation, I pushed him for it.In post 972, Red Ryu wrote:Mafia would not figure that info out on D1 off their size when they lack to knowledge of what town has.
We could try and piece it by D3, but we still could lack info on how kills work, what if they are alternating with opposite scum teams, one gets it on odd night, the other on even nights? What if some of these were town one shots? We don't know this til claims and flip roll around. Off how many people die is not a surefire tell.
I don't even know why you think that I'm mafia for seeing through a fakeclaim and pushing someone for it; acceptable town responses are to monitor, or to put him under pressure to see how, if at all, he decides to retract his fakeclaim. In this case, Oversoul said "oh yeah it was a gambit that I did because people attack me when I do weird things" or some shit like that, so yes, I am a little hesitant to back down when until recently everything he has posted has had to do with reactions from his gambit that he hasn't really talked about or who's ignoring massclaim or gambit claim, which, if we're talking about "mechanical and fake", then Oversoul's analysis of things definitely seems like both of those.
There's this:
Where "reactions" isn't really that good of a reason. Why informed townie? WhenIn post 820, Oversoul wrote:My claim was a gambit. I am not an informed townie. I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
As to why I contradicted myself, I did because I legitimately wasn't thinking when I answered the first time. I kept being vague or outright not answering the question because I wanted more people to react to my claim and unfortunately only a handful of players did.didyou decide to claim informed townie?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Bacde I don't even have any sass for you because you're playing perfectly fine.
Do you remember Inheritance? This is the scum ISO you called me out on. What you're seeing now is a completely different kind of lurking because I've put out more content than most of the people on my wagon. When I'm done here, I'll probably put out more content than any other person in the game. This is a Mastin game, after all.In post 1129, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:he has only been scum in one game with me on this site and he did do a little bit of lurking until I called him out on it. the relative tell that bc gave is better indication of alignment cos I have seen him get lurky as town too but that was a newbie game that I subbed into."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Then there's things about me pushing massclaim on D1, which makes me scum because I don't support it usually, apparently.
I usually avoid threads as scum for a reason. One of the reasons why I would avoid this thread is because I was catching up in other threads, not that the case against me in this one was overwhelming and I couldn't stop in to say "nope, you're wrong."
Nero:
you questioned reasoning and legitimate reasoning for someone being a third party doesn't change the fact that they are looking for third partyIn post 688, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy.
but you apparently still can't see that"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Still no reason for her to attack you? No, it isn't. But it's what she does.In post 1137, Nero Cain wrote:Still no reason to attack me.
ISO from Politics Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=GoIn post 1138, Nero Cain wrote:I'm relatively certain that in politics mafia I called Nacho out on ignoring that game and posting elsewhere much like she was doing yesterday.
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If you can get the majority of the playerlist to lynch me out of spite, maybe. Otherwise you might need something real to kill me.In post 1141, Bacde wrote:so nacho is going to be the lynch d1"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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if the conditional is wrong, do I have to answer the rest of the question?In post 1147, Nero Cain wrote:if you think that I'm scummy for attacking dumb as rocks Mollie"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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In post 1146, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:^^^ THIS IS WHAT YOU LEFT ME ALONE WITH YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF
somehow i'm not even a little bit ashamedIn post 875, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
guys bc is right. this is scum nacho we are seeingIn post 859, Bacde wrote:Eddie and Slandaar and Oversoul seriously wtf?
I'm trying to move this game in a direction and you three are being deliberately anti-town by not even responding to my strong assertion I made just 4 posts ago
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In post 1153, Bacde wrote:nacho, why is it such a ridiculous claim for me to be able to tell the difference between your town play and your scum play?In post 937, Bacde wrote:nacho is scum
He keeps claiming that Oversoul's information *isn't* useless, and Mafia wouldn't know these things on D1 and it would be so incredibly difficult to find out if there were at least two killers by D2, and that makes me scum, despite Oversoul outing that his information was fake later. I have no idea where he's coming from at the moment, but I'm going to do a deeper read in a second so I'll be able to tell you after.In post 1156, Bulbazak wrote:Nacho, what do you think of Red Ryu?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Mac seems town so far. There's not a whole lot pointing either way, but I like his interactions with fuzzy so far; fuzzy is a player that's pretty hard to nail down, and Mac has been aggressively attacking him, trying to get something out of it. I also thought the point made in #746 was pretty good.
CTD also seems fairly town so far, although his reasons for being town are a hell of a lot easier to explain. I've seen him push the massclaim idea before as scum, and this is a different beast entirely. I like that he followed up on it after I started easing up a lot (mostly his analysis), and the way his townread on me formed and then weakened a little bit was extremely transparent and townish. He was willing to defend his idea when he got a little traction, and when that traction ran out, he still found something more from it. He also easily found other things to look at and didn't stall in coming up with scumreads and townreads, regardless of his massclaiming shenanigans. He's probably town.
Cephrir's sort of gotten railroaded into defending me a couple of times, but has maintained sufficient paranoia of me the entire game. I like that because it weakens the wagon and weakens the claim on the wagon, but doesn't mean that he actually gains any cred for defending me. His attack on Thor for being overaggressive seemed a little strange, but it was a fair attack considering his mindset, and his progression from Thor to Oversoul was pretty genuine. His mid-back off from B&B seemed fairly town motivated; he was comfortable in arguing with them, but held back a little when the argument pretty much became a semantics fight. His response to B&B accusing him of having unexplained townreads was the reads list in #797, which is a fitting response to the interaction and seemed more like a "screw you" townie response than scum under pressure in the least bit, considering he wasn't under a lot of pressure and could've easily dismissed B&B or bought time by telling them to explain townreads first. Overall, fairly town.
DLG asking me if I still had an early townread on Arc before voting her was sort of strange. It was an early vote and he didn't really have any other suspects, so seeking my approval before making a vote, whether he has me as a townread or not, seems like excessive caution. The attack on ArcAngel lacked a lot as well; I don't mind attacks on someone for not scumhunting, but attacking her for spending no time to seek reasons behind why massclaim is a bad idea, or attacking her because she's posting nothing more than a compliment to the mod... that seems pretty opportunistic. His townreads disappearing on B&B and I seem like they are going away for trivial reasons, but worse is the Bulbazak scumread which comes out of nowhere that he never explains. CTD has a really good point about at the bottom of #957.
Nero Cain is trolling most of the time. Then he latched onto the third party thing, then he made fun of mollie, then he tried to bring as much attention to the situation as possible. It doesn't really seem like a particular strong scum strategy, but I sort of liked that he made an attempt to read the people he was pushing policy lynches on and is pushing a real life scumread instead of the people he generally finds scummy anyways. Town.
I seem to be pretty good at reading Bacde most days. He's probably town again."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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DLG is a scumread.In post 1176, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:nacho do you have any scumreads?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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He's clever, but sometimes lacks foresight.In post 1173, Thor665 wrote:how clever do you think Oversoul is exactly? Because it sounds like you caught him in a bad claim that would, by definition, require a large amount of cleverness to pull off. Functionally I feel like you're calling him clever and dumb scum both at the same time and applying both tells to him - thoughts?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Maybe if you catch up all the way and still think he is scum.
We're both a little behind, so sheeping each other turns into the blind leading the blind."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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No, it's not my only one, but I'm going through the game at the moment. If you want full reads, you're gonna have to wait a little while."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Still catching up, not actively pushing a scumread right now. But I'm saying that I'm not going to sheep until you're caught up, which is sort of reasonable, no?In post 1188, Thor665 wrote:Oh, that's a little rich coming from you, but then maybe I shouldn't bring up other games.
Still, seriously, what even is your case on him? Because it looks really weak at this stage and well past the point of being a test if you're still derping around on it.
He was lying. I pushed him for lying, and allowed things to develop in the meantime. I have explained this many times.In post 1206, Bacde wrote:pushing a shitty case that he should know better than to push
I said it was "fine", as in I'm not going to yell at you.In post 1208, Bacde wrote:Nacho wouldn't tell me that my play is "good" in this game if I was tunneling on him-town (yet he did).
Read my reasons for massclaiming.In post 1227, Slandaar wrote:Nacho is scum trying to push an idea he thinks will help his team.
1000 times 0 still equals zero.In post 1242, Bacde wrote:my case on nacho is 1000x stronger than my case on you"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Eddie, if scum, has done a great job of working under pressure. Whenever people have called him scum, he has dismissed them pretty easily. And, while he doesn't post often, he doesn't mind dancing with people if he wants to (see: Bulbazak), and even his hop on me recently is consistent with his reads, so I don't really have too much problem with it. I like the aggression he's had, and I like the transitions from vote to vote. Probably town.
Bulbazak, probably town, waste of ISO time.
Thor I will probably look into a little more when he is caught up all the way and ~later~, but I like most of what I see so far, I don't really think he would decide to approach the game in the way that he is if he was scum. But that's an assumption that has burned me in the past, so it doesn't mean too much."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Red Ryu's logic in voting me is... weird, but the rest of his posting isn't that bad. The way he's posting the case on me with the whole "he deliberately refused to even consider OS as town", frustration when arguing with Bulbazak, seems fairly genuine, especially since he continues to push me after Oversoul outed as a liar. I don't like how he's so completely and thoroughly tunneling on me in a way similar to Bacde; I would like him to give reads on other people as well.
Syryana read isn't so developed yet, although if I was forced to make a call, I'd lean town. I think that the waffling on me midgame after buddying me so hard was fairly genuine, though; it seems like a waste to butter me up so much and then stab me in the back three posts later if his aim was to get me on his side.
Desperado's early posting hurts a fair bit. Vaguely supports massclaim, sort of talks to B&B about the Nero = indy read everyone was talking about, small attack on Ryu. His first significant anything is his attack on DLG, which is a location I like, but then the whole accusation of "DLG isn't scumhunting and is being a hypocrite for expecting AA9 to scumhunt when he is not" sort of fell flat; he said DLG's townreads were surface and not good enough, but they were still townreads. It was still scumhunting, whether it was fake scumhunting or real scumhunting. Then, DLG posts a bunch while he's typing the case, Desp acknowledges as much, then posts 10 minutes later that "no, not good" while posting other things at the same time, which seems like he just waited a little while but never actually read any of DLG's posting unless he's a god of speedreading or some shit. His hop onto my wagon is awkward and doesn't have anything in his ISO hinting at it, so that will have to be explained later. Scumread.
Baby Spice has been lurking like hell, for one. Her excuse of "worrying about games that is endgaming" shows me that she's lurking and is conscious of it, but the rest of her play says that she's pretty okay with lurking hard as shit. I hate the "wall battle doesn't look like town v town but B&B is scum" bit, and she tosses out reads so randomly that I can't really see a thought process behind any of it. Lean scum, but not heavily.
I don't understand why it took Slandaar so long to start attacking me based on massclaim discrepancies, considering he brought it up early then sort of postured for a while, then jumped on my wagon when it started to gain momentum. His posting elsewhere has been just weak as shit; he's thrown out a few random reads, but he took FOREVER to vote for some reason and he's probably scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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