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I'm gonna recruit BeautyandtheBeat tonight, he is a player who is gonna most likely roll into end game from what I have seen.
OS, is a bad recruit he is gonna die really fast as either alignment me think.
Thor is likely scum, or stupid aggro town.
In post 61, Thor665 wrote:Aw, look, a bad reaction test that ignores the current game state and a player who is functionally playing as neutral as a neutron.
Now I have three people I'm willing to lynch.In post 67, Thor665 wrote:Well, allow me to run through it slowly then;
1. There were two people with votes on them at the time I entered the game.
2. One was B&B, who I think I can read well.
3. One was you, who I am more neutral about my ability to read.
4. I voted you.
5. You responded in a scummy way immediately appearing and trying to soften the vote and also ignoring the other vote on you for unclear reasons.
6. As part of this you questioned if the vote was random.
7. I said the vote wasn't random.
8. You did this.
9. I explained everything.
What's ten?Vote: Thor
I don't believe these being legit. You're reaching for a reason to vote someone and the reaction you claim to have gotten is nottellingnor did I think it would have been leaning scummy off what OS posted.-
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It's not smack, your posts are giving me a feel of, player who will pro town and be shot, or scum who will be copped/vigged because you're harder to read. I may be wrong here but pregame is giving me this feeling.In post 75, Oversoul wrote:
A lot of smack talk about my playing skills this month.In post 74, Red Ryu wrote:OS, is a bad recruit he is gonna die really fast as either alignment me think.
Who should I recruit? Or who do you think is a bad pick for me to recruit and why?-
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If your casting a "for serious sizzle to vote" RVS is over. You're trying really hard to justify a vote in RVS that you claim is serious that really doesn't mean much this early.In post 77, Thor665 wrote:
If the game had started would my comment not have been ridiculous?In post 71, Cephrir wrote:I like the overconfident/hyperaggressive town mindset usually but this statement is just ridiculous. No one even knows if the game has started yet.
What does game start have to do with it being a bad or good comment?
This from the guy dorking around with cult claim?In post 74, Red Ryu wrote:I don't believe these being legit. You're reaching for a reason to vote someone and the reaction you claim to have gotten is nottellingnor did I think it would have been leaning scummy off what OS posted.
Why do you think that because you don't find the reactiontellingthat I don't? How do you draw that conclusion?
Also....seriously, I'm"reaching" during RVS?
Look forward to more on that too.
Yeah, I'm good with a Ryu lynch.
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Potentially same for me, why do you think this?In post 81, Oversoul wrote:I think Thor is town.-
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[quote="In post 98
What town motivation exists to perpetuate RVS or even pre-RVS when we can move out of it as quickly as possible?
Enlighten me.[/quote]
*headdesk*
Why would that be scummy to goof off? It's pregame and they can make something worthwhile in RvS.
See if they stick to it or not.
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He should be null at worst and you're trying to pass it off as legit, and making it apparent to him you're serious. And not just apparent your trying really hard to justify it, especially for an RvS vote.
If your doing a reaction test, you blew it. And if you're scum your trying too hard to fake content off nothing.
Hense dumb town or scum.
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Thor I read your reason, I even quoted it.
Anything you got on OS is borderline worthless. I will say how others reacted to it is a tell worth looking at, OS though not so much.
So yes I think how you approached applying Ws bad, but your line if questions, at least later, is trying to make content and stance. I think your dumb town because you're trying but doing it wrong and pretty much got null tells from OS, others are really just a fluk and I don't think you planned that.
I had no clear read on you, congrats, I said this very clearly til I read page 4. You didn't really get much from OS and you got something from others, which all I will credit you for that.
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Almost any situation can make tells.In post 136, Thor665 wrote:In post 135, Red Ryu wrote:Anything you got on OS is borderline worthless. I will say how others reacted to it is a tell worth looking at, OS though not so much.
So...yeah, in other words I created reactions and got tells.
Yours did, but the one I was hopings yours would bring up, didn't go anywhere. What you did later after that point I did like.
That's fine, I do dumb things too.In post 136, Thor665 wrote:
I'm certain I didn't plan it, after all I only do it in all of my games in order to get reactions and responses - but this time it's probably a silly fluke.In post 135, Red Ryu wrote:So yes I think how you approached applying Ws bad, but your line if questions, at least later, is trying to make content and stance. I think your dumb town because you're trying but doing it wrong and pretty much got null tells from OS, others are really just a fluk and I don't think you planned that.
It's good to know I'm doing something "wrong" but am helping scumhunt to the point that generates a town read on me.
Hint: if you look at my meta you'll recognize you're calling me dumb town for something I do as scum (dumb or smart - who can tell) which, y'know, before you call my methods dumb and bad you may wish to look into before you claim it's a town tell for you.
Yeah - that's a backhand 'you play the game bad back at'cha.
Can you link me to a town game and a scum game?
Depends.In post 136, Thor665 wrote:
I'm just bringing it up - because you suggested me making more of something that was really a null tell was scummy.In post 135, Red Ryu wrote:I had no clear read on you, congrats, I said this very clearly til I read page 4. You didn't really get much from OS and you got something from others, which all I will credit you for that.
You made a rather large production of calling me - functionally, a null tell.
Does that make what you did scummy?
I pushed you/voted you to see more form you and get more questioning on what you did. Ultimately you kinda gave me tells on your own so all in all I didn't really do much to get to this point. I did make a large product while calling you a null, but the point what to try and read you. The good thing is talking with you strengthens my read, you are putting effort, trying, seeing, making things happen. You press me back and forth here, trying to see where my head is. The end result does not matter, your intent is the #1 that should matter.
I could however have been wasting your time and trying to fake this all and make myself look townie, do you think I did this?
As for if I think what I did was scummy, nope. I pressed to read you, that's all. And it paid off well.
Btw, I'm not recruiting you into my cult til I need a win.
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This at me?In post 137, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:tbh thor always looks scummy to me. I am leaving him to majiffy to sort out.
possible town read on spice and rofl slot. wow he was touchy. I guess he didn't want to talk to me.
red person, what's your dealio cheerio
Being a paperman if so.
But do tell me about Thor a bit, why do you always think he is scum? Give me some background on him.-
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I agree, but do you think they were trying to do this.In post 142, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
It isn't scummy to goof off. It's scummy to try to keep us from exiting RVS. There's a big difference.In post 129, Red Ryu wrote:*headdesk*
Why would that be scummy to goof off? It's pregame and they can make something worthwhile in RvS.
See if they stick to it or not.
RVS is a tool, learn to use it.
In other news, Cephrir continues to be obvscum and I will tunnel him all of d1 as soon as the votes count.
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In post 146, fuzzybutternut wrote:Tbh: I have a hard time reading Ceph.
It's not that he's not likely as scum. It's that I don't see him as scum.
Ryu, hmm. Now THERE is a likely scum if I ever saw one.
Don't want to vote him just yet though.Ryu, what do you have to say to this?-
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It's like you didn't read anything in my interaction with Thor.In post 250, Om the Destroyer wrote:on page 4
VOTE: Red RyuIn post 73, Red Ryu wrote:Thor is likely scum, or stupid aggro town.
"Oh hey this is either scummy or playstyle IDFK so I'm going to vote Thor anyway!"
Opportunistic as fuck right there
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You were told there are at least two killing roles?In post 204, Oversoul wrote:No.
I'm just going to claim now.
I'm informed townie.
There are at least *2* killing roles in this game.
If this legit did it specify alignment/faction.
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Bad claim? Yes.
Was it scummy in itself? No.-
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Do explain why you voted with reasoning.
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I'm catching up via phone but your saying informed townie can't exist? I've seen this role and been it, why can't he be one. You seem dead certain he can't without asking a single question about his role.In post 350, Nachomamma8 wrote:It was scummy in itself because that role would never exist. Now he's scummy for other reasons, but the claim still sucks.
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Being town does not equal doing the smart thing nor that they have the right idea.In post 200, DLG wrote:
If you're reading someone as Town, why are you working so hard to alienate that player?In post 127, Red Ryu wrote:Thor dumb town, posts to actionDan make this more apparent.
Why, if you're reading someone as Town, are you expending effort to marginalize their opinion?
"Dumb Town, or Scum" is an exceptionally scummy read to give out for myriad reasons.
This guy needs a noose. Can't wait for the game to "officially" start so we can "quick-lynch" scum.-
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In post 369, Om the Destroyer wrote:
Oh trust me you're still a good vote, even after the Thor interaction.In post 347, Red Ryu wrote:
It's like you didn't read anything in my interaction with Thor.In post 250, Om the Destroyer wrote:on page 4
VOTE: Red RyuIn post 73, Red Ryu wrote:Thor is likely scum, or stupid aggro town.
"Oh hey this is either scummy or playstyle IDFK so I'm going to vote Thor anyway!"
Opportunistic as fuck right there
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Bad post.
You basically said Thor is being aggressive and this somehow makes him aggressive scum rather than aggressive town arbitrarily.
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This is how I know you didn't read it.
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It can't exist because the info is useless?In post 355, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Informed townie where the piece of information given is "there are at least two killing roles" doesn't exist because it's completely fucking useless information. I seriously doubt that it would be involved in any information he was given, but am not sure.In post 354, Red Ryu wrote:I'm catching up via phone but your saying informed townie can't exist? I've seen this role and been it, why can't he be one. You seem dead certain he can't without asking a single question about his role.
Later.In post 354, Red Ryu wrote:If he is scummy for other reasons tell me why?
Hey no. That info is relevant if he is telling the truth.
Vote:Nachomamma8
Let me know if who your mates are sometimee down the road.-
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So a doctor wouldn't stop a kill? A poisoner is out of the question. People might opt to not shoot? These abilities might be one shot?In post 425, Nachomamma8 wrote:
No, it isn't SINCE WE WOULD KNOW BY DAY 2.In post 423, Red Ryu wrote:Hey no. That info is relevant if he is telling the truth.
He specifically said roles so I wanted to ask again what that ment paraphrased since that info may or may not count mafia/ other things depending jow it was worded.
What's more you show knowledge you already know something about this situation. Wether he is lying or telling the truth.-
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Your making a lot of assumptions here.In post 464, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Doctor probably doesn't get a successful protect in a 24 person game N1 unless scum are incompetent or extremely unlucky. Poisoner? Yeah, no. People might opt not to shoot? Most one-shot vigs shoot the first night, and people not shooting is an assumption that isn't likely, sorry.In post 461, Red Ryu wrote:So a doctor wouldn't stop a kill? A poisoner is out of the question. People might opt to not shoot? These abilities might be one shot?
He specifically said roles so I wanted to ask again what that ment paraphrased since that info may or may not count mafia/ other things depending jow it was worded.
What's more you show knowledge you already know something about this situation. Wether he is lying or telling the truth.
Many of which I don't like.
His info legit tells us either how many bad guys out there can kill/factions Indy, or he is teillng is about town.
What this oes tell me is you have no non mechanical reason, which at worst is bad play not scummy, to single Jim out. You want him dead to get a lynch, not to find scum.-
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But again.In post 473, Nachomamma8 wrote:
This game constantly requires us to take leaps of faith and assume things. When you play, you assume there is a way to distinguish whether someone gets a role PM that says "you win with town" from "you win with scum". You assume that if you find scum, you will be able to convince people to get them lynched. You assume scum will do this, you assume that people will do that, you assume that this game is possible for your side to win. You back up these assumptions with evidence. I making an assumption about the setup that SHOULD be obvious to most of you, Oversoul is claiming something that is completely useless to us. What use is a role whose information will be revealed by Day 2 (or even by Day 3 if someone gets lucky)?In post 470, Red Ryu wrote:Your assuming again and showboat foresight that you even considered that he was town.
If I lynch him, it will be on his play today not his role.
This all comes back to the key problem and one I want to lynch you over because you're making it obvious you're not trying to read OverSoul, you're trying to lynch him for claiming Informed Townie.
You say scum safe claim, but you lack anything to show he is scum.
Ignore the claim, what did he do today that is worth a vote outside of that? Myself and others aren't going to vote him for it.-
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Null, I don't like Arc's posts but I don't know enough about him right now.In post 492, DLG wrote:You got any kind of a read towards ArcAngel9?
I think he is newer to mafia, since his posts aren't really adding too much but I'm not sure of his intent.
He needs to post more.-
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I'll reread in ISO style.In post 497, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:red, nacho is likely town
will you plz look at dlg's posts when there are a couple of flips
or better yet
read what he is saying now and see if there is anything to it. to me it looked like he was wanting to for sure wrangle a town read from us before placing us in his town pile
Thoughts on Om?-
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Prod dodge, writing papers on no sleep.
<<< I strongly suggest you read the rules I have about prod dodging. You're within activity boundaries already, but had you not been, this would not have reset your timer. Follow the intent of the rules, not the literal letter. A post consisting merely of "Prod Dodge" fits the letter of the rule but violates the spirit.
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In post 855, Bacde wrote:
lol look at this postIn post 841, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I figured that he was lying, so I pushed him for it. The massclaim idea you might not like, but I don't really see how that makes me scum.In post 626, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Nacho is a read we both share, neither of us like the mass-claim and neither of us like his push on OS who we both think is probably town.
I've heard "massclaim, summary, OS is town". That's about it.In post 635, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I have quite a fair amount of reason for Nacho-scum
I don't like the way he's responding so far, but I'm still waiting for the wheels to turn a little more before I give a solid read on him.In post 641, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Hey Nacho, thoughts on Cehprir?
You got me all excited when you said you were gonna provide reasoning later...In post 677, Bacde wrote:I'm actually down to lynch nacho
this feels like scum-nacho to me
(how was that as a contribution?)
It's also a good case to push as town, considering he was lying and it's a shitty gambit as town.In post 686, Bacde wrote:town-nacho would not have tunneled this idiotic OS case for this long
but its the perfect case for him to push as scum
Why?In post 688, Nero Cain wrote:pfft. Nacho badgering mover asking why Mollie called me an "indie" is just retarded and scummy. That's all that needs to be said.
Hey fuzzy, nice of you to join us? Where have you been?
Red Ryu! Why didn't you like my observations on Oversoul?In post 754, Red Ryu wrote:People should put more votes on Nacho.
Why did you think that anyone would jump down your throat to get you lynched for it?In post 820, Oversoul wrote:I made that claim because I wanted to see the reactions and judge whether or not anyone would jump down my throat to get me lynched for it and so far only Nacho really committed that crime.
does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm town and I'm pushing my point of view" post?
or does this look like a "Hey I'm Nacho and I'm scum and I wanna just check in and not be suspected for not posting" post?
Seriously.
@Nacho no its not a shitty gambit to do as town, if he is actually informed then its helpful for him to reveal his information ASAP. Also my reasoning is pretty much that your play in this game isn't your town play. Thats it.
If you AREN'T voting nacho after this post, you need to explain why
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BeautyAndTheBeast May 03, 01:43pm May 09, 01:37am 0 days 10 hours 126
Om the Destroyer May 06, 02:51pm May 08, 11:38pm 0 days 12 hours 79
Nero Cain May 03, 03:07pm May 08, 11:58pm 0 days 12 hours 77
Oversoul May 03, 04:35pm May 09, 11:56am 0 days 0 hours 54
Amethyst Kitty May 03, 02:25pm May 09, 10:46am 0 days 1 hour 52
Bulbazak May 03, 02:02pm May 09, 10:30am 0 days 1 hour 47
fuzzybutternut May 03, 05:41pm May 08, 10:10pm 0 days 14 hours 45
Nachomamma8 May 03, 06:57pm May 09, 12:45am 0 days 11 hours 42
Bacde May 06, 07:41pm May 09, 11:53am 0 days 0 hours 39
Red Ryu May 04, 02:17am May 09, 12:23pm 0 days 0 hours 38
Cephrir May 03, 02:47pm May 08, 10:33pm 0 days 13 hours 35
Thor665 May 03, 11:24pm May 07, 09:10pm 1 day 15 hours 31
mastin2 May 03, 10:49am May 09, 09:36am 0 days 2 hours 26 May 09 2013
ArcAngel9 May 03, 01:59pm May 08, 08:03pm 0 days 16 hours 24
Desperado May 06, 02:43pm May 08, 11:43pm 0 days 12 hours 24
EddieFenix May 03, 07:03pm May 09, 11:37am 0 days 0 hours 21
Slandaar May 03, 02:06pm May 09, 11:12am 0 days 1 hour 19
DLG May 04, 05:17am May 08, 07:01pm 0 days 17 hours 13
CrashTextDummie May 03, 08:03pm May 08, 07:28pm 0 days 16 hours 12
AngryPidgeon May 03, 02:18pm May 08, 06:33pm 0 days 17 hours 10
ActionDan May 03, 01:51pm May 08, 07:27pm 0 days 16 hours 10
roflcopter May 03, 09:15pm May 04, 12:20pm 5 days 0 hours 9
Baby Spice May 03, 02:26pm May 08, 05:57pm 0 days 18 hours 8
Mac May 03, 04:03pm May 08, 05:21pm 0 days 19 hours 7
Rondar May 03, 02:14pm May 07, 02:30pm 1 day 21 hours 3
Human Destroyer May 03, 02:06pm May 05, 05:07am 4 days 7 hours 3
pirate mollie May 07, 10:08am May 08, 07:25pm 0 days 16 hours 3
Syryana May 03, 02:23pm May 08, 08:00am 1 day 4 hours 2
Majiffy May 05, 06:03am May 05, 09:03am 4 days 3 hours 2
Seanald May 03, 02:08pm May 08, 08:21pm 0 days 16 hours 2
Malakittens May 07, 10:30pm May 07, 10:30pm 1 day 13 hours 1
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Om is leaning town, he has interest for town to move in the right way. Is looking for direct intent.
Bacde is most likely town. Goofy but town.
Oversoul town if role is legit
Thor still dumbtown.
CrashTextDummi leaning scum, he is caught up with Oversoul the same reason why Nacho is scum. The one difference is how mechanical and simple he is taking his reads like his post #770.
Nacho has been tunneling a read and shown he has never tried to read into intent, he has shown he wants a lynch.
If you aren't listed I don't have a read/I forgot what it was. so null until they gain my interest. Or I just didn't read it, forgot how a 20+ man game was like.-
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Hi, you posted now.In post 868, Seanald wrote:I'll vig your prick, and im still catching up. I don't have alot of time due to work so im a little over half way through right now.
Someone ask me something to get my dick juices in the game.
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Explain.In post 881, Seanald wrote:
and I have a town read on crash Text Dummie for the way he explained and handled the massclaim thing in the beginning pages there.In post 879, Seanald wrote:
I feel an overwhelming compulsion to follow the flowchart.....In post 877, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Any gut feels of reads or anything.
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Cop this guy.In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.-
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wtf no.In post 900, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
No fucking no.In post 897, Red Ryu wrote:
Cop this guy.In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
Do not ever try and direct night actions.
Let the person who has the role do what they feel is right.
Pluswe don'tknow if there's even a damn cop in the setup.
Shut up.
Directing who should be copped is far better.
You let people know who you want, if you are the cop, or you tell the cop who may not have a good pick who might be one.
If he dicides to go with a different pick fine by me.
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You implied one of three things.In post 898, Nero Cain wrote:
like I'm going to follow a silly fruit.In post 895, Bacde wrote:
why?In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
Why?In post 897, Red Ryu wrote:
Cop this guy.In post 894, Nero Cain wrote:no. I'm not gonna vote for Nacho. Not now or ever.
1. Dumb town who refuses to look into a read.
2. you have some kind form of PR that is linked with him.
3. You are scum with him.
I am heavily worried about this if you play in a way that makes you not easy to determine alignment, if you play anti-town, refusing to look into reads on a play, then I have to assume you are a solid candidate to be scum and should be copped.-
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http://smashboards.com/threads/dg-archive-mvps.180310/In post 928, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Please show me a game where directing cop actions were beneficial? I don't think directing any type of investigation or protective roles are helpful because we don't know your alignment so we wouldn't know if you are scum trying to point us away from your buddies or you are scum directly fishing for information.
It's a bad idea. Knock it off.
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Him tunneling a null tell is not scummy?In post 912, Bulbazak wrote:In post 911, Bacde wrote:the case on nacho is that nacho rules at mafia
but for some reason this game he is really lame
and his posts are lame
Case-wise, it's a whole lot of nothing. Why are his posts lame? How is this different from his normal meta? Your current case is a lot of Burden of Proficiency. You need more substance if you actually want me to pay any attention and take it seriously.
Him refusing to look into the possibility Oversoul is town?
Him not even trying to accept the information Oversoul was providing was possible?
None of this is scummy? Because quite frankly it screams him trying to force a lynch on a slot.-
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Nacho claimed he was gonna lynch Oversoul because on the sole fact, he claimed informed townie and said there were two killing roles in them game.In post 931, Bulbazak wrote:
But that's not what Bacde said. He said the case was: Nacho is great at mafia. His posts have been lame. Therefore, he is scum.In post 930, Red Ryu wrote:
Him tunneling a null tell is not scummy?In post 912, Bulbazak wrote:In post 911, Bacde wrote:the case on nacho is that nacho rules at mafia
but for some reason this game he is really lame
and his posts are lame
Case-wise, it's a whole lot of nothing. Why are his posts lame? How is this different from his normal meta? Your current case is a lot of Burden of Proficiency. You need more substance if you actually want me to pay any attention and take it seriously.
Him refusing to look into the possibility Oversoul is town?
Him not even trying to accept the information Oversoul was providing was possible?
None of this is scummy? Because quite frankly it screams him trying to force a lynch on a slot.
That's not a case. That's Correlation Implies Causation.
Did Nacho ever say that Oversoul was a null tell? Or is Oversoul just a null tell for you?
He said the information was not possible and useless.
It should be quite the opposite, but if the possibility of him thinking this as town and just focusing hard on this is up think again.
He never tried to consider intent or alignment with this, he admitted this when I pressed him on this. He never tried to consider or ask Oversoul past this, he stuff and sat on him all phase. He has not tried to get over it either, he has been sitting on that claim being the scummiest thing on earth and refuses to consider other possibilities here.
Again, he is not trying to hunt scum, he is trying to force a lynch to get a lynch.
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I'm very clearly reading.
I did word badly that the info was not possible but I am damn clear when I say he did not think that info was part of an informed townie and that he did not think. Don't cherry pick this, you didn't address anything else I said in there but that sentence.
He is not considering that it is possible OS was town and kept voting him for his role, his claim was not convenient I have no clue where you are getting this from. There are situations where him claiming like that was legitimate, even that info is helpful when it tells us something we need to know later, 2 killing roles talks about claims or factions later. Nacho refused to consider this and made it clear he did not consider this.-
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No they really wouldn't.In post 942, Bulbazak wrote:Ryu, I went over everything in your last post in one form or another in my response. The only part I didn't was the part about where claiming that info could be legitimate. What you are failing to take into account in this case is that scum could easily know that information and use it to claim informed townie as a way to gain towncred. In reality, his claim proves absolutely nothing that we couldn't deduce ourselves. He didn't even have a specific number, instead giving himself an out with "at least". Even I could have made that assertion. At no point did Nacho say that the role Informed Townie couldn't exist. He said that an Informed Townie with only that sort of information couldn't exist. The fact that you've continued to push it as hard as you have, despite the evidence against such a view, is mindboggling to me.
Scum may have an information advantage but they do not know everything town or potentially other factions have. that fact remains Nacho did not have this knowledge at the time that OS was lying so his reactions are still legitimate tells.
And no, we won't know about the kills til we know at end game. If anyone tries to say they know how many people can kill by D2 they should go back to playing newbies. You can't ignore other possibilities, even more so in a game this large.
Nacho did infact say he did not believe his role was legit with that info, which I made the error of posting and you thankfully keep ignoring like an idiot.
He pushed it that far off a nulltell, when he had no knowledge that his info was not legitimate,that he refused to consider OS was town at all.
The bolded is my biggest issue, town does not do that so easily. Especially just because he claimed informed townie, otherwise he would have unvoted or at least said it was a possibility. The fact is he never did this.-
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Content ETA?In post 944, Baby Spice wrote:The last large I was in with only one killing role was getting towards three years ago.
As claims go, saying the sun rises in the morning is about the only thing safer.
Spoiler: <<< Mod-edited-votecount >>>Last edited by mastin2 on Fri May 10, 2013 4:57 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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That is irrelevant because Nacho did not know this for a fact at the time.In post 932, Desperado wrote:
He was lying. Oversoul lied about having information. Why do you keep pretending like he never admitted this?!? It's bizarre and unsettling.In post 930, Red Ryu wrote:Him not even trying to accept the information Oversoul was providing was possible?
His tells are still there.-
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Going to bed but,
Your an idiot if you think I never thought this.In post 955, Bulbazak wrote:Why do you refuse to consider that Oversoul is scum?-
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In post 955, Bulbazak wrote:
Depends on the flavor of scum. A SK could safely say that there were at least 2 killing roles in the game. Mafia could too. Mafia would immediately know whether there were multiple Mafia factions are not. If there was one, they could easily extrapolate that there is likely another killing role in the game based on its size, the amount of people it took to review the game, and what little knowledge they possess of the setup, including PR density. If there are multiple mafia factions, he would know it immediately and be able to use that information. Having this information does not automatically prove the Informed Townie claim.In post 949, Red Ryu wrote: Scum may have an information advantage but they do not know everything town or potentially other factions have. that fact remains Nacho did not have this knowledge at the time that OS was lying so his reactions are still legitimate tells.
However, each night gives us more information on the bigger picture. After 2-3 nights, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to piece together how many killing factions/roles are out there.In post 933, Red Ryu wrote: And no, we won't know about the kills til we know at end game. If anyone tries to say they know how many people can kill by D2 they should go back to playing newbies. You can't ignore other possibilities, even more so in a game this large.
Of course he didn't believe the role was legit given the information given. Anyone could have logically came to the same conclusion. It proves nothing.In post 933, Red Ryu wrote: Nacho did infact say he did not believe his role was legit with that info, which I made the error of posting and you thankfully keep ignoring like an idiot.
Given the timing of the claim, the complete uselessness of the information given, and Oversoul's history of backpedaling in the game, I'd say that the claim was a very strong scumtell. Again, anyone could have logically came to the same conclusion, meaning it would be meaningless information to hand an Informed Townie. Mastin would be playing a cruel trick on Oversoul if that was the case, and seeing as how this game was reviewed by a variety of people, it makes it even more unlikely.In post 933, Red Ryu wrote: He pushed it that far off a nulltell, when he had no knowledge that his info was not legitimate,that he refused to consider OS was town at all.
Why do you refuse to consider that Oversoul is scum?
Mafia would not figure that info out on D1 off their size when they lack to knowledge of what town has.
We could try and piece it by D3, but we still could lack info on how kills work, what if they are alternating with opposite scum teams, one gets it on odd night, the other on even nights? What if some of these were town one shots? We don't know this til claims and flip roll around. Off how many people die is not a surefire tell.
But he tried to push OS on this as being scummy, there was no reason to consider him scummy for that action,he deliberately refused to think OS was town doing that lying or telling the truth.
I am no throwing out the possibility OS is scum, I am pretty dang certain Nacho is scum right now.-
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