NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)
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In post 260, Boating Police wrote:Okay apparently Vifam is either bleedingly obvtown or really stupid ballsy scum okay?
That's the best kind of scum, realistically. The one who does things so stupid, it's kind of smart.-
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In post 555, Boating Police wrote:In post 488, Aj The Epic wrote:So BonerPolice fake claimed day cop to get a reaction out of Om? Talent.
Fake claiming day vig is really stupid
Why is that stupid but fakeclaiming daycop isn't?
You're first, you're the one drawing a reaction there. Afterward, there is no reason to fake claim dayvig (especially when someone listed that by Bitmap doing that, it gained him hypothetical town points). By fake dayvigging, I feel that it's useless and suspicious because the objective was completed by the fakeclaim day cop. Also, think about it: If Om happens to be one of the roles, the first thing he'll do is counterclaim. So, by adding more roles to the pressure case against him, more likely he'll counter claim. In a way, it's a role fish.-
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In post 570, TheUnderachivers wrote:In post 559, Boner Police wrote: wrote:This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back
So you have a town read on IAI and a scum read on Hero but both find Mollie scummy. Why do the reads differ?
Awful loaded question here. Is the only differing factor between IAI and Hero in your mind their read on Mollie? I would hope not.-
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In post 672, Aj The Epic wrote:Lol losing a head generally takes away the super sheeping power button.
It was an attempt at a joke... I believe the humans make these when they feel the need to entertain others. I must not have succeeded in imitating them.
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Take it off and get into the damn mud
I agree with this sentiment. Posting only about things that do not concern you and taking more or less the safe way through isn't going to help us find scum. Essentially, you (Penguin) are walking a well-worn path, trying to avoid becoming the subject of conversation by conversing about something that doesn't concern you. In effect, a politician.
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In post 689, penguin_alien wrote:Asking questions of people I find scummy doesn't concern me? What, pray tell, should concern me? If I was ignoring questions posed to me, sure, I'd buy that this is a problem, but as it stands, to my recollection the only people showing interest in me beyond my style of posting are PeregrineV, who's V/LA, and mozamis, who's sheeping and doesn't seem to want any information from me in particular.
"Directly involves you" would be a better phrase. You try your best to avoid the center of attention.-
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In post 1002, TheUnderachivers wrote:In post 998, Aj The Epic wrote:I'd rather not spend too much extra time here when we can use it tomorrow with some extra flips.
This is straight up scum. Today is our longest day. It behooves us to spend the day talking among us. But you want to hurry up the day and go into 4 day deadlines were it'll be quicklynches and most likely mislynches. Fuck no scum.
Vote:AJ
Did you read the rules? You have to save some time today to have time later. And you're scum, so I'm not going to waste any more time letting you breathe air in this game.-
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In post 1265, TheUnderachivers wrote:Oh wow.
No wonder Nero has a Jacob scumread.
There's pretty much no content in them at all. And Nero posted in the QT that Jacob has been active in other games but not this one. (*insert vote for our hydra here pointing to my activity* ) Not to mention...
The classic "vote-your-scumbuddy-in-RVS" tell.
That's a pretty awful post. RVS vote used 1200 posts later as the basis to your post on why Jacob is a scum read, when neither jiffy or JS have flipped. Nice...-
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In post 1457, AngryPidgeon wrote:@AJ, What is you read on the Om slot? (AA). Why were you so sure that Mastinero was lying. What is your current opinion on Zabriel (why).
Looking back, the only post of Om that I really felt was strange was 423, which should've come off harder as something along the lines of "You're either lying or insane/paranoid in results". His response makes me wonder if he was testing the waters before responding, which really makes me think he was a little worried about it. He didn't do anything productive, to be honest, but there wasn't anything besides that post to really worry me. As for AA, she's done considerably better, enough to make me think that maybe 423 was a mistake and not a tell.
Why did I think Mastin/nero was lying? First off, I haven't gone out of my way to defend anyone, least of all Matt. Secondly, the next post he admitted it was mis-typed or wrong anyways. The only reason I can think of Mastin/nero tying us is because of my post about Bitmap and Matt's different power role fakes, which I defended later. In fact, Matt and I haven't agreed on much, nor have we shared any votes besides the UN vote.
My issue with Zabriel is that when you start talking about 'intangibles', you're basically saying "I can't figure out why, which means you can't fault my reasoning". He hasn't even mentioned half of us and to be honest, has contributed very little. Overall, I wouldn't mind at least pressuring the slot to see if we can't get a couple of decent reads. I didn't even notice him slip onto the Underachievers wagon to be honest.-
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In post 1608, AngryPidgeon wrote:Oh, when is the last time you were in a game that yo saw a scum rolefish for certain.
Hmm. The last game that I was in were scum roll fished (That isn't finished, mind you) would have to be on another site since the only completed game I have over here was a basic mafia game where it was obvious after the first day that everyone was some variant of VT. I think that it would've been about 5-6 weeks ago, or two completed games back. I, as cult, was trying to draw out a killer who shot me (somehow I had some 1x bullet proof protection).-
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Uhm, definitely seeing Mhork as a little scummier by his actions recently than Rev.
I'm sorry guys, I'm pretty awful at large games. AP can attest to this, so if I'm to be useful, I need to sit a bit and look at voting patterns over anything else. I'll be sitting around for a little bit before heading out.
@mod, Can we have a vote count? I know it's only been a day, but there's been a lot of activity since the last one.-
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I need to say this: Matt, one more fake claim and you're done. Reasons? Obvious: You've been aiming to reveal the cop this whole game. In fact, instead of IaI being scum, I'm thinking that Matt by himself is scum. Let me present my theory (told you all, I'm better with actions and votes then actual posts)
First, we know Matt claims Daycop on Om. What's strange, though, is the standard, from what I've seen, is actually a day vig. It's much easier, and you don't need to go "Hey, I just investigated ___ who is guilty." Why doesn't this work? Two reasons: Godfathers, and more importantly, the fact that the player being daycopped would ALWAYS vehemently deny it. Why do you admit to being scum before a lynch?
So why day cop fake claim? It didn't make any sense, really. I had it chalked to slight originality, but it still felt a little cheesy. Bitmap, though, lost that one by fake claiming vig after, which was just atrociously stupid unless he/she(?) was honestly thinking about the reasons I have mentioned before hand, which I doubt too many think of.
Now, we get the second claim, hider. It's OBVIOUSLY a ploy to string up IaI. I was about to tell Matt to fuck off and get shot over night by how stupid that was to basically make sure two townies died. Does raise the interesting point that neither Matt nor anyone else died. Why? If I'm mafia, I'll target IaI now and try to take the two free kills. Just the fact that it might happen is a plus. Benefits are WAY too much and they outweigh a lot of price by just statistically having a chance to knock down two. If he doesn't hide there, whatever. If IaI was scum, well, he'd be kind of fucked. In fact, were IaI scum (and Matt not), I'm now thinking of bussing him.
Third claim. Gunsmith, an off the wall claim that is more or less rare (and definitely not seen by too many people here, given the amount of confusion). Again aimed at IaI. I do agree that the amount of dumb luck that comes out is weird here. Why does IaI stay quiet EVERY OTHER TIME? Someone fake claims cop? Nope. Someone putting two lives in danger that could cost two potential townies, both being investigative (in a way) power roles? Nope. But then he investigates gun smith. IMMEDIATE claim. by now, IaI has to be getting smart, but he just drops this giant claim on us.
Let me explain something: Matt's been fishing for power roles, probably every time, but certainly twice. Why? Daycop. Gunsmith. Find a gun? Immediate power role fish. I can't think of another role that fishes like that, where a VT claim is a lynch and anything else is an admittance or claim. Cop counter claim potential, you'd just back off and state what a major fuckup that was on IaI's part. This is another reason why vig is used. If not revealed to be a fake claim, the vig can handle the liar all by himself without anyone needing to know who the actual vig is.
So, in conclusion, Matt is either way too much a threat to the town to stay around, as he'll continue to manage to out power roles or lynch townies by these complete bullshit fake claims that need to stop, or he's scum.
VOTE: MattP
Anti-town to scum are the two possibilities with you. There is no "Pro-town" for you anymore.
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In post 2429, MattP wrote:I no longer have a townread on Majiffy because of his vote on IAI
Hey, Mr "I out cops for fun", maybe next time you can include how I should have a town read on you.-
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In post 2505, UberNinja wrote:me, mollie, mhork, AP, AJ, and IAI need to bloc vote from now on
I generally don't sheep, and I almost certainly won't change. Paranoid me will not allow myself to follow people I don't have 100% confidence in.-
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In post 2523, UberNinja wrote:are you worried that JS is some huge game-saving town PR? or what
When was the last time you could justify lynching someone with so very little input on day 2 and feel that you'd honestly hit scum? I don't think his inactivity is enough to make him scum. He lurks, I'd ask Maestro to replace him first. Too easy a lynch, to take out someone who not only is quiet, but considered consistently scummy. While I didn't like the one post mentioned before, I am not willing to vote for him until he shows up and posts. Should he refuse, I think it's good enough to replace him. In the end, let's not-
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Mollie, just so it's answered, the list I made was product of no time and just keeping it overly short. If you want a more detailed list, I can make one, though I doubt anyone will read it.
VOTE: MattP I guess we mine as well continue with scum lynches, and hopefully we don't out anything more before finishing this one.-
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In post 2842, AngryPidgeon wrote:But I always write her off as awkward.
Yeah, I think awkward is the right word. Maybe 'slightly incomprehensible'?
I'm really against this JS vote. Have him request a replacement over voting an inactive spot. This policy lynch bullshit is not ideal for day 3. He replaces out or gets active.-
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@UN, my scumlist is:
MattP: For mutliple role claims
Morhk, for magically surviving a l-1 on day 1, especially when Maat controlled that lynch
IaI, for the sketchy way this role claim has played out and the fact he's still alive.
And now JS for completely avoiding this thread when he apparently has been reading.
My town reads (excluding those almost certainly cleared):
UN, I've actually read the walls and nothing sticks out as scum. That much writing and nothing terribad is pretty good in itself.
AP, for lookingso damn good(really, though, his posts look really good)
Vifam, I honestly just don't see him as possible scum right now. Whatever it is, I believe him to be town.
Everyone else (other than those almost cleared) can fall into the null pile, or somewhere where I am not ready to take a stance on them.-
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Is it okay if I start hoping we're wrong about Matt to see you attempt to eat a screwdriver?
In all seriousness, Matt slipped a long time before that. But better late than never.
Rev, pursued one post on it. You made what I consider to be a stupid statement, and it really was a stupid statement. The fact that you had to point it out just proves it. Hyper posting is also an occasional scum strategy, as the old "Scum are more involved" belief springs forth from this. It's not what you said, but what you seemed to want to achieve with such a post that made me think it was stupid.-
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In post 3376, TheReverend wrote:Oh look, rev hasn't got a clue what's going on and is gonna be real easy to wagon off, and when he flips town no-one will give his reads any credit because he admitted himself he hasn't been paying a huge amount of attention. Let's get rid of him before the field thins and he becomes a threat.
Realistically, 3 others right now have made fuckups on confirmed town. I'm still listening to your reads and would definitely account for them. The thing is, I'm pretty certain that Zabriel or Matt are scum, and so I have bigger fish to fry. I probably wouldn't even be willing to compromise to lynch you at this point.
Honestly, let's treat IaI as conftown another night, and see what happens. If he comes back with a shit investigation, or comes back, then we have legitimate issues. If scum decides not to kill him, they leave a threat on the field who will eventually sting them, and if he's scum, our suspicion will definitely be increasing over the days.
Majiffy, did you note that you included buldermar in your own list of who to lynch?
Why are we still on P_A at all? Yay for unimportant slip to otherwise solid play, both post and actions. Should be taken with a pinch of salt and then we move on to lynch Zab or Matt.-
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In post 3397, UberNinja wrote:Also, AJ. tell me again why you're town because I seem to have forgotten
Yeah, because you ever had a town read on me, right. Look, if you don't have a town read on me, I'm not going to build a case on myself to make myself look town.
AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 3451, zabriel wrote:Is Buldermar more or less likely to stall and eat up time as scum?
Nacho, Vig this tonight, thanks.
We SHOULD try and lynch in the next 60 hours IMO.
Or, instead of going after buldermar, you could simply LYNCH IT. Seriously.-
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Why are we vote bouncing like this? There's something wrong when we're trying to reach a consensus and we've already split away from two wagons.
P_M, while I have issues, this games a little more frustrating because the vote counting isn't keeping up, and thus the l-2, new wagon/counter wagon is difficult to see.
Reverend, explain WHY Matt is town. He's really one of only two scum reads I have right now (but apparently no one else sees this).-
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In post 3757, Vifam wrote:Scum play the "I don't give a fuck lynch me" card all the time
Holy shit, so there is some common sense there! Now, look at Zabriel's posts leading up to the lynch and let's hammer that. Letting AtE play and prevent a lynch wasn't good, especially when we set a 60 hour pseudo-deadline 60 HOURS AGO.-
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Spoiler:
Please, let's LYNCH ZABRIEL. If I'm wrong, hang me. This fluff is getting everywhere. Who cares about the AtE? If she has issues with her laptop, solve it elsewhere. We need to lynch the scummiest outlier the whole time, who just happens to continuously coast and rarely ever adds anything in this game. Let's lynch her, end the bankable deadline (which, should I remind you, we are breaking our own time limit) and get through the next night with one less scum. I'm happily sitting here, waiting for her lynch. I mean, if you're willing to stall this day out so the next days have no time, it's really obvious that you're ready for scum to win. We're at L-1 and the wagon crashes? This in itself is scummy. Why does it crash and burn when everyone on it was HELLBENT to kill Zabriel? We NEED to bank something, and I'm ALMOST certain Zab will flip scum, also willing to bet my life in this game on it.Last edited by Maestro on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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In post 3069, TheReverend wrote:FIVE POSTS IN A ROW, WHEN DOES SCUM EVER DO THAT? IN CAPS AND EVERYTHING!!!
>.> Uberninja just kicked your ass.