NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!
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Vi:Why did you think Arc was scum at 93?
I'm agreeing with Mehdi-scum. I think that contradictions can easily come from town, but I also believe that he considers contradiction a strong scumtell. The fact that he continues to deny that he contradicted himself (when I'd expect town to say something along the lines of "yeah, I contradicted myself, but I'm town, so whatever") is scummy.
Baby Spice:Why didn't you provide your thoughts on Mehdi in 109?
I agree with Empire's townread on Arc, but his analysis in 112 looks more like a "look how town I am" thing than what a townie would actually think. Part of this I think is because it seems like he's trying too hard to find towntells in her posts. For example, I think his reasons for finding posts 7 and 8 town are not that significant. I was scum in the first 3-4 games of mafia I played and loved it. I could see scum knowing that Arc is town and deciding to have a townread on her (and seeing everything she does as a towntell) to say what Empire said though.
Empire:Why do you think newcomers in particular would be less enthusiastic as scum?
So, I've read through (although skimmed towards the end). Right now I'm thinking my main scumreads will be Mehdi and Empire, although I still want to look over some things and clarify my reads.-
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Regarding Empire, it wasn't him overexplaining, but more finding a towntell in pretty much everything Arc said. I'm not as sure of my scumread now though.
Empire, around how many games have you played as scum (solo) and in which do you think you played best?
Mehdi, do you think we should policy lynch you? (referring to the lack of difference you claim between your town and scum games)-
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In post 287, Mehdi2277 wrote:Oh and deas I think it's a dumb reason and would mean I get policy lynched every game when a person is readable without it.
But you said your town and scum games would look the same to anyone but you, so how are you readable?-
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In post 405, roflcopter wrote:lets all thank mehdi for the roadmap to his scumbuddies, which i will wager are all located within the { }s i added to the above
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In post 424, Konowa wrote:When Mehdi flips scum, Vi needs scrutiny too.
Do you see this coming from a buddy?
I don't, although if Mehdi's town then it's scummy.-
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In post 437, Konowa wrote:And yes, I'm ignoring Dayne after that awful false dilemma crap earlier.
What is your read on him?-
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In post 553, Tammy wrote:Why are you reading him as town? My problem with moi is, as I said, how he didn't say anything meaningful concerning the mehdi wagon. He asked rofl to tell him why he was scum without fluffy language and talked to Arthur about Arthur thinking he was obvscum, but he didn't offer up his own opinions on what was a major portion of the conversation yesterday. He left his vote on empire the entire day, and though he attacked empire somewhat he looked more to be arguing for the sake of keeping busy but not pushing anything.
I'm going to try and update my reads properly tonight, but it was his attack on Empire for exactly what I was thinking and other things matched up with what I expect from him as town rather than scum.-
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MoI, what was your read on Mehdi yesterday?
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I'm very interested in his response to my question, but I like his read on Empire in 153 and well... posts like 171 are pretty much what I expect from MoI-town, whereas I think he's more likely to buddy and be 'nicer' as scum (this is from limited experience though).
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So... scumreads.
Snowstorm- His Mehdi-vote starts off as just a feeling , but he never really seems to be trying to consider his alignment. I think a lot of his questions are designed to incriminate rather than gain information from the answers. An exception to this is 321, but his next post is something that could be said regardless of what Mehdi's answer was (and I don't think his answer there was scummy), making the whole process seem really fake to me.
Another thing is that I get the impression of him being in "Lynch-Mehdi" mode and just being negative towards him in every way, which I think is likely from scum. Examples are 506 and his over-reaction to the claim in 510.
Snowstorm is my main scumread right now, but my others are:
Kingmaker- Mainly because of this:
In post 474, Kingmaker wrote:Easy target? I could have hammered Mehdi there and move the game to a date that is more comfortable for me(after my exam, that is), but I didn't?
Baby Spice- Never really tries to stop a Mehdi lynch despite a strong enough townread to attack those who suspected him.
There are also a few others who are kind of scummy and kind of townish, and I'm still deciding what I think of them really, but I'm happy enough with where I'm at right now.
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In post 548, DeasVail wrote:Rofl, how has Mehdi being town affected your read of me?
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In post 568, Empire wrote:Hmmm...
@DV:If you thought SnowStorm's line of inquiry was scummy, why didn't you make any comment on it D1? I mean, you replaced in and presumably would have read the whole thread and noticed that then.
(Yes, this is me building up to a scumread on you!)
I had a townread on him Day 1. I read through ISOs again Day 2 (and Mehdi-town influenced this). Now I have a scumread on him.
It's pretty magical stuff.
But you probably know this and even if I was scum, I wouldn't be all like "Oh! You got me!" so what were you hoping to get from it?-
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In post 557, DeasVail wrote:In post 548, DeasVail wrote:Rofl, how has Mehdi being town affected your read of me?
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I think it's scummy, because it's the kind of reason that you could say regardless of Mehdi's alignment, and I think it's just mentioning something that you consider to be bad, and saying it's scummy without actually thinking about what it means alignment-wise.
I'm still not sure about you, however, because despite scum always suspecting me and this extra thing, your posting does generally seem townish and others have said you are like this as town.
My question was because of you going 'MoI and DV are scum with Mehdi!' and then the next day 'MoI and DV are scum anyway!' just seemed like you planned to have us as scumreads all along. The reason you had for me supported this, but as I said above, I'm still not sure about you. The MoI reason is fine and something I agree with (although I think he's town for other reasons), but I think he still needs to answer my question.
I haven't said any of this yet because it's not really saying anything and I'm still deciding on my read.-
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301 is an example, and although I like to ask incriminating questions sometimes, I get the impression that the purpose of the questions was not to read Mehdi, but to attack him.
Why did you put effort into understanding Mehdi if you knew you wouldn't move your vote?-
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So, I'm still thinking Snowstorm. Add to my earlier stuff his lack of comment on MoI (which I think town would be likely to do considering that he's the main wagon). And I remember thinking there was something else that was scummy that I wanted to wait to say, but I'm tired (get-togethers with ALL the relos are exhausting!) and I may just be imagining things, so when I'm more with it I'll get back to you maybe?-
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In post 636, Konowa wrote:DV, I am confused. If you think rofl was lining up lynches (612), then why wouldn’t you immediately call him out on it instead of waiting for him to say as such and then react to it?
I don't know if I mean lining up lynches, it's more keeping convenient scumreads. If you mean the 'these people are scum with Mehdi' then I know he does that as town. And I wanted to see his answer to my question before calling him out, but it's not like it matters that much.
Also, with Snowstorm, I think that if you've got the time to post a lot, and you see that MoI is a big wagon, it would be natural to comment on it as town.
There's something I find interesting though, which I will say once more people have posted properly.-
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I just feel it's the kind of thing you could say regardless of Mehdi's alignment, and the reasoning itself just seems... I don't know. What I did makes sense to me and I don't really understand why people think otherwise.
I think it's scummy, but I think MoI is townish otherwise and I think Snowstorm is scummy otherwise. What I'm interested to know is why people are calling MoI scum primarily for the lack of comment on the Mehdi wagon, and thinking nothing of Snowstorm at all.-
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In post 708, Empire wrote:Actually, now that I think about it, here's another thing: I just read through your ISO and a lot of the rapid-fire, seemingly leading questions you ask Mehdi would seem to fall under DV's category of "attempting to elicit an incriminating a response." If that's the standard, why doesn't DV seem to consider applying it to you as well and focuses on Snow?
Eh, I have a townread on Tammy. It's not really the leading questions that are a problem by themselves (as I've realised I ask them too), but I believe his questions were more to look like he was scumhunting than anything else. I don't know if I'm explaining it right, or if I'm even right about it, but basically I feel his play was focused on lynching Mehdi and looking town and notreadingMehdi.
Nacho, why Baby Spice over SnowStorm? I'm thinking of voting for her now, but the fact that NO ONE is really considering SnowStorm at all, when there is really nothing townish about him makes me want to vote him more, although the reasoning for that is probably illogical.-
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In post 763, Zachrulez wrote:A throwaway comment about how he doesn't like the attention on Baby Spice. (Which I am noticing now in light of her flip.)
Why do you think scum would say this about their buddy?-
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SAD can be town for now.
SnowStorm is still kind of eh. I thought the fishy thing may have been a towntell, but I'm not as sure now. Zach's reasoning is alright too.
Konowa is kind of scummy actually.
Zach's kind of townish.
NS can be a decentish townread.
Preference for scum would probably be:
Konowa > SnowStorm > Zach > NS
If there's scum outside that, then I've got something wrong as I'm decently confident in the others. Not that I'd be too surprised though.
Vote: SnowStormbecause I'm just too cool.-
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In post 778, Nobody Special wrote:DeasVail... thoughts on Empire?
He's probably the main townread I'm worried about, just because he hasn't really done much that I think scum wouldn't do. I do think he's town though mainly because of him being more pro-town at this stage than I'd expect from him as scum.-
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In post 786, Empire wrote:Well first off, I thought the timing was weird because you hadn't really expressed any suspicion of Baby before Nacho put down his vote. Secondly, while the point that Baby was white-knighting Mehdi for cred seemed valid, I thought it was a misrepresentation to say that she wasn't doing much to fight the lynch - I thought Baby was actively trying to fight it by presenting Johhog as a counter-wagon option. It was a dumb as hell wagon since I thought Johhog was very townie but it was there (and honestly, that situation added to the notion that Baby was possibly just an incompetent townie).
I think I said she was one of my scumreads at some point, but it shouldn't really matter. Also, that's not really what it felt like to me, because before I said anything (fairly late Day 1 after replacing in) I don't think she explained at all why she thought Mehdi was town, (which is what you'd do I think as town) and it just didn't seem like she was trying to get the town to lynch Johhog (even though she was attacking him), but maybe that wasn't valid, I don't know.
PEdit: It was getting close to deadline and obviously Snow wasn't getting lynched and she seemed like the best option then, as I wanted to hear more from Nacho.-
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