Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)
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I, although meta-blah, understandish what sigma was suggesting. However, this still absolutely baffles me:
So, was it "wagon because I don't know" or "lol, reactions"?I was hoping that someone would take offense at my stated reason and non-random vote me. I don't think that's likely to happen now -- probably should have waited a little longer for that to happen, but I'm feeling impatient.-
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And how praytell am I traitorous mr.I am a paranoid cop but the town STILL lynches your investigation because you hit scum day one?
Not that I'm bitter.
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That said, I'm not getting any super vibes yet. I'm a little flabbergasted that charter has 5 suspects from this mess.
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@Ray:
Betting on yourself for the lynch makes one think there is a predisposition for thinking you, yourself, are scummy.
I'm currently trying to currently figure out how that works, currently.-
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CONTINUED white noise is scummy. White noise in the first few pages isn't (and, even if it doesn't make sense the fact you said you'd bet on sigma or yourself being lynched is... something).
I don't think I've ever been an early bandwagon.
Is it tasty?
Is it scary?
Will it hurt?
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I love the quick jump to NOISE considering of the whole 7 posts I have what ones are true noise? My confirm? My random silliness to start things off?Hoopla wrote:Spyrex, you've posted a couple of times about white noise, while being pretty noisy yourself. Do you have any reads either way on anyone yet?
You should drop a vote somewhere.
My others posts while still joking around ARE saying things. If that bit of joking is too much noise to see what I'm saying well... it looks like the mood is getting somber enough that it'll go away anywho.
REAL BOY reads? No. Although, recent events sure have given me something to dance with.
Vote: Budja
Considering the volumes of posts to base my play on thus far this game trying to rationalize a vote on this choo choo under these grounds is highly suspect.Budja wrote:Spyrex's play seems unusually passive (especially for him).
Of the five you listed if I were you? I'd be daycopping me and sitting on it to see how this little dance plays out.Chamber wrote: Hmmm, better hope it doesn't happen again. Razz
If you were a daycop, which of the people I listed would you investigate and why?
Assuming thats not what you were asking (and thus I'm not one of them) - I wouldn't be daycopping anyone yet. Let it simmer for a bit and watch the tides shifting.
And then we get to this.Vi wrote:Nothing you have said or done so far would suggest that this is a risk that isn't worth taking.
See, I'm cool with a wagon. The part of this I'm having some issues wrapping my head around is that this seems hyper-aggressive - like you actually think I'm scum and this is some kind of power-push.
Which at this point I flat out don't understand. However, like I made reference to it sure seems like your gravity well is working.-
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At least ask me QUESTIONS or something or pretend or SOMETHING. Or, we can just skip to the L-1 claim and dance because this may be becoming the awesomest and most mind-boggling wagon I've been a part of ever.-
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Holy hell in a handbasket. 4 pages overnight? Awesome.
Now, see, this is what is awesome about meta. Its not that I, this game, am being scummy it is simply a factor of my play seems different here. Which, sure, because my play DOES tend to change as a function of the games I'm in.The wall of Vi wrote:Vi wrote:Budja is correct.
You're not going to like hearing this, SpyreX, but now that I've seen the gap between you-Town and you-scum it's pretty easy to pick out.Vi wrote:First quote: Seconding this.
Second quote: SpyreX-Town is extremely obvTown.
SpyreX-CitC is being vague all over and rubbing off as fake.Vi wrote:No, I thought all the votes passed around in the first 500 posts are just aimlessly accusing each other until people start lurking!Vi wrote: If you read these other posts in isolation... no they're not.Vi wrote:A game where SpyreX was obvious Town (yet the scum tried to discredit him for some reason).
A game where I noticed "oh SpyreX is acting differently" from my first post (and chose to proxy my vote to him anyway) >.>
So, when the argument is "You're playing differently" well, yea I am. (In fact, there is a variable in those two games that Vi has shown that is fairly apparent but in the hatred of meta I'm not going to share.)
The issues I have with this whole wagon are threefold:
1.) This talk of white noise. Aside from my first two posts I AM asking questions; sigma's double-bladed "lol, reactions / meta beem", rayfrosts defeatist attitude which, apparently, is meta-fueled and then trying to parse out this meta-wagon. There's a theme there, I just can't put my fingers on it...
2.) The fact that Vi is pushing this like "SCUM FOUND" instead of the information / pressure wagons one would EXPECT from the early wagon. I'm not even sure what I have to discuss with it (part of the itch of meta) "You're playing different, hence you're scum." "I'm not scum" WOOOSH.
3.) Captain Budja and the little wagonneers. Sure it'd be tech if I am scum but when this party seems to be the lemmings and Vi playing the pipes and that's A-OK well awesome.
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I love the call to OMGUS, too. But, lets just keep on keeping on and look at some of the delectable plays we have goin up ins:
- Budja 146. Just, seriously. Not one, two, three but FOUR reasons to jump on this train?
- Hiphop the cheerleader.
- Anon the snipa'
I'd put more than even money on one of those three being scum. This wagon is too good to, even at this point, keep the fingers off of.
Oddly, I have FAR less issue with Ray and Rofl's jumps on it for the simple headshake of it.
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On the flipside Mam is solid, sigma (sans start) is feelin town, and CSL's 203 may, in fact, be so bizarre that it goes around the horn to zen.
And, based on current behaviors we're going to see one of the games with a MASSIVE content divide that pre-needs to be monitored before it gets out of control.
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For whatever reason when I see your name I think "Mamuki" instead of "Maemuki" hence the mam.
And no, I'm not sharing for the simple reason that meta on surface is blah and sharing would a.) require MORE meta and b.) be discounted as a function of WIFOM (much like how the fact I'm voting for budja loses something because it is apparently OMGUS when it is anything but).
On that meta front I am still absolutely baffled at the Ray-hate (I'm assuming that kill was a joke). The three amigos on the wagon are ALL much more hateable thus far.-
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What? Which ones?Vi wrote:But that's not true at all~
You even listed two quotes from me where I argued that you were scum without using meta~
How about this. Show me the case. Not the one that is a function of "he's not playing like X"
WOOSH.Vi wrote: The questions you're asking are/were not particularly convincing for scumhunting regardless of who asked them. Many posts, not much worth.
It would be more convincing if you played in some form of a pro-Town manner.
In addition, what's the point of a pressure wagon if there's no chance of it leading to a lynch?
I absolutely don't understand this hate but I'll play your game.
Martyr time. You lynch me, I'm town, you get lynched. I mean since I'm so CLEARLY scum and my myriad of posts are OBVIOUSLY just scum fueled drivel well.
And pressure is pressure and wagons are wagons. The fact that from a handful of posts you've pulled out SCUM FOUND is the headdesk part.
I'd swing to any of the musketeers. However, I find budjas repeated rationales for said business with the fallback of "ohh ya and wagons are good" to be enough to keep the vote.Vi wrote:Why Budja in particular, considering we brought up the same points at about the same time? (And considering ConfidAnon's the one with the wagon)
And considering how awesome wagons are at this point Confid's being the wagon of choice is about as swaying as four monkeys doing the hula. Naked. In tahiti. During mid summer.-
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Ahaha I forgot all about that rule.
That DOES kind of give me better feelings about hiphop since scum would have just messaged for the modkill / penality / whatever happens.
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This thread has some go-juice. Again.
I do like crypto's 307 quite a bit - even if I don't agree with it. I think Mam is pretty town thus far BUT the approach makes sense and is solid - especially for playing catchup.
However, once again, lets look at where my vote lays:
First off trust me if I'm going to claim, you'll know it. Martyr is a function of the PLAY, nothing else. However, that does beg the question of what in the hell would a roleclaim have to do with your reasoning that I am scummy (meta + wagons are good).Budja wrote:I didn't really notice ConfidAnon until he was pointed out. His comment of Spyrex being too defensive was bad. He comes of as very passive/going with the flow. Moderatly scummy.
I can't say Spyrex has done much to change my opinion of him. Dislike early claim, I'm assuming that the martyr claim is not a joke.
crypto's push on Maemuki seems silly. There are better wagons.
CSL is a bit scummy. A bit iffy here as it seems to be his meta. But I do really dislike his 203.
I feel no need to shift my vote.
Then, in the glorious light that is qualitatitive langue we see a "silly" push on someone when there are better wagons (note the lack of alignment on either of them for this) AND back to meta and "a bit scummy".
Yea, I will be pushing this wagon. Iguaranteethere's scum on that early shift and all signs point to the musketeers who are down a member.
Pads 321 is... something?
I'm not sure how many fences one could put together to build a house of fences but, yea. If you asked me what his read of me was after that paragraph I couldn't tell you. And there's an unvote.321 wrote: Alright, that wagon was fun, but we have plenty of other leads now, and I see no reason good enough to stay on it (it was my random vote anyway). That's not to say I think SpyreX has been particularly pro-town. His responses have had components of both self righteous bristling (town) and dismissive, redirecting (scum).
RedCoyote's logic in 333 is solid (although I'd disagree with crypto and sigma as scum (and due to the post-count a little less weary of hiphop) and budja as town).
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All other issues aside, I am 100% behind 414. To the depths of hell with information paralysis.
(I'll be talking in real time while I wait for more catchup, spirit of the letter and all).-
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MORE catchup, ffs:
1.) Illustrate my "white noise" not playing the game posts complete with post numbers.Vi wrote:@SpyreX: Your posts. They're white noise. You say "but it's early". I say "I don't care", partly because my posts are NOT white noise and neither are a handful of others'. You say "you can't find scum on page 5". I say "lol why not". You say "I don't know who to stick with between ConfidAnon and the people on your wagon". I say "gee I wonder why, considering ConfidAnon is the more likely one to be scum". You say "I dare you to lynch me and see what happens". I say "I think you're bluffing and I'll take you up on the offer, but I can't lynch you by myself".
2.) If I am SCUM FOUND and, as you have said this isn't a case based on meta, and you had it nailed down by page 5 go ahead and show what/how.
3.) Confid was on my wagon. And was one of the three people I specifically called out for it. The fact that I find Budja's business worse is not a function of anything with Confid's play.
4.) I want this post to be remembered. Dayvig, we be tight, right. Let it be known. Like I'd bluff about this.
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Crypto 341 AGAIN I like the theory even if I still disagree with the results.
IK 361 and Pads previous posts thus mentioned could make babies that would produce enough fences for everyone in the multiverse.
EP is going to be a VI. Calling this now. Emphasis on the V.
Hoopla has turned on the awesome gears.
@RC: 441 - I'm not seeing scum motivation for sigma's early move. I would have loved to explore that MORE but the world kinda collapsed so.
IK saying he replaces out every time as scum may be one of the most :headdesk: statements I've ever seen. However, the risk-reward suggests that this is a town move.
Pads 454 actually gives a stance on me but good lord is it qualified.-
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Weighing in at a 7 posts with less words than our post limit is I give you the NUMBER. ONE. CHAMPION.
Budja, come on down!
Yes, and good.
I dislike that method.
Spyrex's play seems unusually passive (especially for him).
I agree with charter on EP, hitogoroshi.
RF looks like he is being silly but not scummy.
unvote, vote: Spyrex for the above and to get on the bandwagon.I don't need pages of posts to see that your acting differently SpyreX.
Being very passive is a scumtell anyway. Random sillyness is fine to a limit, but your posts have shown no real opinions/suspicion/anything.
The fact that this is far removed from your normal play (as I have seen it) is a bonus.
Also early bandwagons are good .
So, I'm the numero uno because of meta AND the fact that bandwagons are good.I didn't really notice ConfidAnon until he was pointed out. His comment of Spyrex being too defensive was bad. He comes of as very passive/going with the flow. Moderatly scummy.
I can't say Spyrex has done much to change my opinion of him. Dislike early claim, I'm assuming that the martyr claim is not a joke.
crypto's push on Maemuki seems silly. There are better wagons.
CSL is a bit scummy. A bit iffy here as it seems to be his meta. But I do really dislike his 203.
I feel no need to shift my vote.
Which then is backed up by the quote 2 statement thatis wrongis delectable parroting AND well we better reinforce that bandwagons are good (TM).
Then holding on because apparently meta is still meta and I must STILL be being passive / have no opinions...and adding in an early claim (which wasn't).
Pro tips on looking soo deeply for claims though. Hmmm, its a mystery. (Yea, you'll notice one whole post is bolded because well that all ties into the world of the UNKNOWN)-
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Ohhh hayyy 542.
Thats all I've gotta say about that.
So, whats this new crypto-slapfight? I see IIoA mentioned. However, I don't see how IIoA had anything to do with what was going on (unless it was pops AGREEING that crypto's business with rofl was bad?)
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Contextually it STILL doesn't make sense to me:
Crypto: Roflcopter, too much summary and too little analysis is not a convincing case given our options. That said, I'm not terribly interested in debating this with you. (this would be saying Rofl is utilizing IIoA, one would assume)
Pops: IioA is one of the best tells ever. For serious. (This is pops agreeing)
Crypto: Yeah, I knew I shouldn't have said that but I did anyway. Confused I can't recall seeing it in any of my games. (This just doesn't make sense in the above).
I'm apparently just not connecting the dots. What is it that I'm missing?-
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Yes, 573 makes the issue make more sense.
The only scenario in which this would make sense for scum-crypto (more than just mistake-crypto) would be if Infinis was scum as well and even THEN it seems a bit early to the party.-
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I'm going to do it.
I'm going to be THAT GUY.
I just reread Infinis. AGAIN, while I'm not agreeing with his reads I think the IIoA call is a bit out of point in this - I think he's p town.
HOWEVER, I'm baffled at crypto's 588:
Why jump on a wagon on someone not that scummy (we still got SOME time before this has went on too long today). Why pre-call out the bussing?-
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Go REALLY read them in iso.Spyrex, what differentiates budja from infinis? they seem p much the same to me.
Infinis is, even if wrongly,trying. Especially in some of his town reads.
Budja....
well...
ya.
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Ohh rofl shine on you crazy bunny.
So, instead of me being scum for not following this case praytell what makes budja so apparently town no one wants to talk about him but me?-
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Crypto gets a shiny <3.
After this fiasco I'd be down with an elvis lynch as well as Budja. Semantics are sweeetttt.
Although, IF Crypto is a scum (whcih, again makes no sense) I'd put IK in front of a bullet asap.
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Le Sigh.
Unless you think this is going to be a bastardly game the N0 kills ARE saying there is:
No Cult, No Bomb, No Jester, No Priest, No Mayor, No Golden Retreiver AND that BOTH Mafia 1 and 2 don't have a Don.-
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Hi, my name is unnecessarily loaded question, how are you doing today?Mae wrote:@ Everyone who is making excuses to cover crypto: why are you making excuses?
LOOK, can we all just come together, hold hands and lynch Budja. Its the right choice, and we all know it deep in our hearts.-
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You know we could all just do the mod a fav and go ahead and lynch Budja.
Just saying.
I mean after all that hard work not keeping up, wagoning, defending said wagon under not one but multiple spurious (and mimicked) reasons.
We should just give that spot a rest. A permanent one.-
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I'll set my own trends. For now.
I'm not sure what the secret 2KOOL decoder ring this game is to get people to LOOK AT YOUR CASE but seriously the "everyone else is doin it" doesn't get me all stoked for a case.-
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Ohh CSL could use a rope/bullet as well. No questions there. As well as e_k.
That doesn't change the fact that Budja jumped on a spurious wagon under spurious reasons and then tried to turn on the cruise control for cool.-
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God I haven't played on there in forever. That would be, by far, the WORST role to exist on MS.
EM = epicmafia. Go there if you want your brain to melt.
And I like pops's a bit dramatic personification of replacements. They are a bane.
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While Scotty is leaps and bounds better than Budja that still is *GASP* where my vote is.
E_K has done minimal to give one those delicious vibes.
After your flip there will be some serious analysis, doubly so if you are town (if you are town no WAY that wagon doesn't have scum crawling all over it)-
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Only this game generates this much activity during, in essence, twilight.
Yea, if CSL flips scum just go ahead and shoot me and save that whole business tomorrow.
However, when he flips town because that was quite the amazing wagon lets go ahead and rip it apart and shake all the delicious scums off it.-
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I agree, to an extent. HALF may be pushing it - I don't expect them to be THAT obvious.IK wrote:Actually, Charter, roflcopter, Vi, sigma, Pads, and Sotty7 were all on both the Confid and CSL wagons. I get the feeling that at least half of these folks are scum, if not more.
However, of that list, I'd definitely not be surprised to see a third. Namely Pads and another (Vi / Sotty / charter). Not sure yet though.
But, back to the big one:
Of THAT list the ones that make me go huh are: Pads, pops, charter, hiphop. Vi, if scum, is probably not scum WITH imaginality.CSL (801) - RedCoyote, sigma, Pads, Idiotking, crypto, popsofctown, roflcopter, Infinis, charter, hiphop, Idiotking, Hoopla, imaginality, Vi
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Now, on a setup line - the kills last night DONT make full sense to me. With a dayvig yesterday AND three last night that lends one to think (Mafia/Mafia/SK). However, why in the hells bells would they kill crypto after all the flak? If it wasn't for the vig yesterday I would have all but assumed that was a vig shot - but two vigs? Unlikely.
I'm missing something (and I don't think its as clear cut as Vi's business on e_k) but it'll come to me.
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Yea, and of course I'm of the mind that was pre-prep for a bus of one of his buddies who was on it.obv i understand you disagreeing with me calling you scum. but i hope you understand where it comes from, since imag directly defended you in his first post.
otherwise, yes, pads could very, very easily be the guy on imag's "town" list that is a scumpartner. he's still not the best lynch today because of the weight of evidence against elvis, mae and idiotking.
another note: imag totally ignores a lot of people, but ignoring vi (by far the loudest player in the game) is definitely quirky. don't know what to make of it yet.
I'm on Pads for the lynch because I'm rooting for the vig to shoot ek. If that doesn't happen I'll swap.-
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Xyl is it TOO early to be your bff?
Not sure what you're aimin for here in general but I'll bite.Tell me which is better:
1. We kill the most likely scum by lynch, and the day- killer kills his second person as scum or,
2. we let the day-killer kills the scummiest player, and the town argues over who will be lynched.
Regardless of what is picked the end results are important - like the shot yesterday on a growing wagon.
Personally, I'd do the simple (much like yesterday) - once someone has that for mad reals push take the shot. See the flip. Assess. Wagon to lynch. Pretty standard.
Because, of course, the part you're not REALLY addressing is how much information is actually gained from the flip of the first shot. Thats the good stuff.-
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I'm not down with Vi's lynch - the weird wagon on me early doesn't make sense as a scum maneuver (especially with all the gravity it created).
Further, I'm p sure that Vi is NOT scum with imaginality due to the votecounts and although I still fully expect two scum groups with the ambiguous flip one will assume one... thus that limits the options.
I'll go into detail on Pads (Don't you think I've forgot Budja regardless of the replacement play) tomorrow but if you asked me to place a clear stance on anything Pads is down for I couldn't.
Which is extremely disconcerting when you consider the wagons he's been on.-
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Not "TOWN" points but definitely "NOT SCUM WTIH IMAGIN" points:
Jumping back to back with a scum partner is a high risk / low reward scenario. WIFOM all you want but votecounts create ties that, generally, partners aren't going to make.
NOW, if Vi was power <3 on Imagine AND followed his votes around like a puppy sure. As it sits, nah.-
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And yes, for the lazy who didn't look:
Scum can't daytalk this game. Which means especially towards endgame watch for filibustering when they're trying to align a lylo lynch.-
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I'm definitely not opposed to hiphop.
This, again, is a bizarre case of deja vu though so I'm sticking to Pads and even try to get the gumption to give a case before capitulation.-
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I don't know what to make of the Mae quote quoted by Xyl. It COULD be an amazing scum move but I just don't know.
However:
Ok, reread.
Despite the giant :headdesk: lodged in there (it can be a secret for now).charter wrote:I am like 100% sure Ray is town.
EP is scummy early on.
sigma still seems town. Also, he's the only person alive in Elvis's 295 scumlist, so he's probably town.
RedCoyote is probably town.
Mae is probably scum.
Sotty, unfortunately, is probably not town.
Infinis is still scummy, even after whoever died.
EP is scummy midday as well.
I think that if EP is scum, rofl is his buddy. EP keep giving Hoopla flak about bandwagoning, but never mentioned rofl doing it.
Besides that, rofl is pretty neutral.
Still think pops is scum, but I'll deal with that later.
Anyone not mentioned didn't catch my eye.
I'd lynch Mae or EP. Despite the slimyness of Vi's vote on Mae, and her general scumminess with regards to all things Mae, there was quite a bit that suggested Mae was scum with Elvis.
unvote, vote Vi
I've got one big issue: In your reread you had NOTHING to say about me (and thus a function of crazyworld)?-
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No, but replacements that are playing townier sure make it harder to push a lynch. (and, by nature give some level of hesitation)SpyreX looks a lot dodgier to me on re-read. SpyreX, you were all "lynch Budja" on D1 and that completely disappeared on D2. I know he replaced out and all, but why did you completely drop this case? replacements don't affect the role.
THAT SAID...what?
I still would get behind a Budja lynch. Or a hiphop lynch. Or a pads lynch.-
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Because that power wagon reeked of the style that scum will jump all over? Yea.
My issues with Mae are far less about the ek and far more about the general jumpiness. Which, ultimately, doesn't strike me as near as lynchworthy as others.
As for the reads well every lynch is going to be informative. That's not gonna make me all giddy.-
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I love how many people I get to be scum with. Its awesome.
Toothless? I have plenty of teeth. I thought I made it pretty clear with my fence analogy AND the qualfiers that I found you to be absolutely wafflescum in regards to me yesterday.Pads wrote:SpyreX? He traded some toothless conversation with me on Day 1, but that's about it.
What? I'm not voting for you (if that is the implied irony).Mae wrote:Are you being ironic or is it just my imagination?
Although:
If you're gonna just throw up your hands I sure as hell will be.Mae wrote:Well, that's the only useful thing that my lynch is going to make anyway.
I would defend myself, but my fate is sealed. My only hope is to out as many scum as possible with my lynch (coughrccough)-
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