Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[VP Baltar]

VP? what is your opinion of Hascow as a player?

Other than an ongoing with him, I don't know that much about him. I would place him as mediocre based on that, but I'd have to meta to form a more solid opinion.

With 4 scum, you're trying to find out what one of them would kill. Include a wifom-kill argument, and we got little if anything to find mafia on. It sounds pretty random to me.

And what would you propose we do on D1? This game is going to be filled with a lot of WIFOM to find scum, as there is no role confirmation.

Because, why would hascow be killed? There has to be a reason. And that reason means that the person who killed hascow probably knew him.

I tend to agree with this. There is the WIFOM of randomizing it, but if the scum were to do that, they might have killed someone who was even less known, such as jammer.

The kill would be most likely to come from someone who knows hascow. Furthermore, I believe that a senior player on the scum team would have more sway and would help direct the kill toward someone like hascow, as opposed to someone a newer person might be more inclined to kill based on overall site rep alone.


ah, damn...gotta go for now. Catching up with the rest later.

[VP Baltar]

Picking up where I left off. Apparently missing a day in this game is going to be a very bad thing:

And, to answer, it kinda clears me, if you believe what I say. (You should. I don't lie, even as scum, 'cept when I roleclaim as scum.)

What is really the point of saying this?

Jammer stated there are 4 scum as a fact, not as a guess, and without any reasoning presented. I don't know why a townie would just take a wild guess another player made as "believable truth."

Seemeed like he was saying it was a reasonable guess to me. Also I think it is interesting that you only start questioning him after Mastin prods you for reasons.

Vote GIEFF

The guy who never lies regardless of alignment 'cept about his alignment, pulling wifom. That'd be the day...

Is this sarcastic?

@Zachrulz--why are you essentially answering for Gieff in post 57?

He has that kind of integrity.

haha, if you'd like to believe that.

Do you or do you not feel that jammer assumed there were four scum? Regardless of whether you want to call it truth or a fact, the point is that jammer assumed there were 4 scum

Actually it is very important because you were saying that he KNEW there were four scum, when what he really said was that he found alex's case to be "believable truth". The operative word there is believable...ie a theory to be believed. You definitely look scummy in this exchange as trying to stretch for an argument that isn't there.

Ireland is a hoot btw.

I'm jealous. I've always wanted to go. Have a pint for me!

OK, relatively caught up for now. I had to quick scan some of the larger posts because work is a bit busy right now. Political unrest is a blast! Anyhow, my internet at home is also jacked up, so I'm just going to call

V/LA this weekend

as a precaution.

[VP Baltar]

At the very least, we want an Alex claim here.

What do you think the results of this forced claim would be?

[VP Baltar]

If you're a cop, you should claim now, and save us some time.

First, this is a mountainous set up. There are only goons and vanilla. Second, if we did have powerroles, this is a horrible idea and is blatantly you rolefishing.

Unvote, Vote: Battle Mage

[VP Baltar]

If that is your idea of a trap BM, then it's pretty lame. I want to reread this interaction between you two sometime today and get a little better feel for what each of you are arguing.

[VP Baltar]

Lame? maybe. Scummy? Wtf.

Please explain your vote on me.

Well, as I explained before, it looks like you forgot the setup and were rolefishing. Now, perhaps you were attempting to go down this trap road you are explaining, in which case you could be town and were just making a lame play.

Alex invited serveral players to this game (myself included), so I would assume he knows the setup plenty well. Perhaps you were the one who forgot the setup. Perhaps not.

Does my vote bother you?

[VP Baltar]

If you have any familiarity with my play, you'd know that outright asking for a roleclaim would merely be a BM-tell. Maybe a mild town-tell? I'm not sure.

I'm not familiar with your play. I've heard your name plenty, but I don't recall reading any games with you in them.

Saying "are you a cop?" is not rolefishing. It's roleASKING.

I still think Alex might have slipped were it not for your comment.

I don't think he would have, but whatevs. I pretty much believe at this point you were trying to trap him, as ridiculous as that sounds. That being said, I read over your little spat with alex and it seems quite contrived on your end. Vote remains.


@camn-since you've been reading along with interest in the alex/BM faceoff, I would like to hear some of your opinions regarding it. Who do you think looks scummier coming out of it?

@Kairyuu--when you catch up I'd like to hear your assessment of the alex/BM faceoff as well.

Wait...really? Then why is one of the newbie setups a 2:7??

I think he was refering to a 2:10 setup without powerroles.

I fully endorse the battle mage wagon.

I was reading you as being more critical of being alex. Was I wrong about this?


Cephrir, DDD, and jammer--are you voting for the person you think has been the scummiest thus far in the game?

[VP Baltar]

Spyrex has 2 posts, and no votes or FOSs.

Just for reference, I think Spyrex is travelling right now so I would guess that his posting would be sporadic until he gets back.

[VP Baltar]

I would like to hear some of your opinions regarding it.

[VP Baltar]

@VP, DDD, Cephrir What do you think about Alex defending Mastin?

I think his "NuTsOcApS", as benmage put it, was overboard and weird, boardering on being scummy. Other than that, I get the vibe that they sort of feed off each other since they have similar posting styles and perhaps he is letting his personal feelings toward Mastin paint his perception of his alignment. It is something that is worth keeping in mind, but I don't think it is a lynch worthy offense.

[VP Baltar]

2.) Mastin felt town early, but the fact I haven't seen much Mastin posting since the walls of doom starts to give me the twitch again.

I have recently discovered that Mastin's scum meta is to fall behind and lurk. I might not be opposed to his lynch given I have seen this prove accurate twice.

[VP Baltar]

mastin's absence is not scummy.

what makes you so sure of that?

[VP Baltar]

Actually there are three. One is ongoing, but I'm sure you could find it if you looked for it.

The other two are Lynch all Lurkers and Polygamist Mafia. Keep in mind he has 20 posts on the site yesterday alone as well.

Unvote, Vote: Mastin

[VP Baltar]

I don't know where you were looking at, but I was checking here. I count far more than 8 posts on July 13.

[VP Baltar]

Ah yeah, sorry. Timezone differences didn't occur to me. Oh well, check out the links I provided and you can see that as scum he isn't a very good player. He falls behind and promises to catch up but really just continues to lurk.

I have also seen his "self-aggrandizment", as you put it, when he was scum...though I'm not sure how often he does that as town as well, so it could be null.

[VP Baltar]

I might have to read those threads and his posting history, but getting voted purely becouse he didn't post some time seems a strange reason.

not if it's his scum meta.

I think I've made it fairly obvious why I suspect all 4 of the above.

No you haven't, actually. It is not "obvious" why you suspect Mastin. You made some vague accusations at the beginning of the game about NK speculation, but that was directed at no one in particular. So, it's BS for you to now act like he was on your list the whole time now that his wagon is gaining steam.

[VP Baltar]

I've read your posts. They are largely opportunistic, which is the issue. If you fail to mention Mastin in any way other than your vote post based on others' reasoning, you're just being a sheep.

[VP Baltar]

How many games have you metaed?

More than you apparently. I believe it was benmage who put it best, and I'm paraphrasing, but why don't you 'hop off Mastin's dick'.

Seriously, stop being his babysitter unless you're his scum partner...in which case please continue and we'll lynch you tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

@alex--if you were reading the thread you'd see how many games (and which ones, at that) I metaed to come to my conclusion. It was more than the one example you provided. thx.

I did ignore Zach's sentence because I find that the evidence points much more towards it being a scumtell for him rather than a null tell.

[VP Baltar]

I saw his wiki. He cites one town game where he lurked Open 141. Perhaps he was less active in that game than he might normally be, but it doesn't look like strict lurking to me. He was still posting content.

In reference to the Beard Mafia game you reference, you conveneintly fail to recognize that he replaces into it 14 pages after it start, ie already behind before he makes a single post.


Point is, neither of these is very convincing that Mastin lurks regularly as town. On the other hand, EVERY game in his wiki as scum shows him as lurking. I don't get how you come to the conclusion that this is somehow null. Your turn to actually prove your point.

[VP Baltar]

Baltar, DDP, and SensFan, it looks as though your votes are primarily due to lurking and meta reasons - is that correct?

See my post above. His town games where he lurked and his scum games where he lurked are different, imo, but yes it is a largely meta-based vote.

[VP Baltar]

Do the numbers I provided change your opinion at all?

Not significantly. What this all really depends on is if he actually comes back and posts some content, which remains to be seen.

Your numbers also point out the lurking from him is significantly worse when he is scum. We shall see if that changes here, but I'm plenty comfortable with my vote right now.

[VP Baltar]

In fairness alex, I'm wondering what the hell GIEFF's point is as well. I'd like to hear him answer his own question.

[VP Baltar]

Alright, GIEFF, I can feel where you are coming from then.

[VP Baltar]

Ugh, epic catch up post....and just from skimming I am judging there is much tit for tat between GIEFF and camn to slog through.

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I like that I have inspired some interesting articulation.

Someone has to keep in interesting.

Of COURSE that makes sense. Lurkers are bad for the town. Why would scum want to remove them?

This also shows that you are tailoring your behavior to what you think others will perceive as scummy.

Wait, so you are saying that she is avoiding tunnelling on lurkers so she will looking intentionally scummy? I don't get what you are arguing here.

Here is what I know:

I know that you have grudge-killed kmd twice.
I know that both times you did so, you used a power (vig or scum) you would NOT have as a vanilla townie
I know you don't think the word "kill" applies to lynches.
I know you said you wouldn't kill him this game.

I'm sorry, but I always find people trying to push "slips" like this as either being idiotic or scummy.

Also,

Unvote, Vote: VP Baltar

His reaction to Mastin really rubs me up the wrong way.

Alright?

Yes, I do and, as I said, not only about your waggon.

I find it humorous how you are trying to parry GIEFF into your Mastin defence.

But you don't notice that because you seem to live in your little monotematic world when there must always be ONE player in the gutter and all the others should rest...

well boo-hoo. blatant appeal to emotion.

I control the game by bussing my partners heavily, making me look better, or them look better, buddying/ignoring pro-town players, confusing players intentionally instead of unintentionally, appeal to players I know to get them on my side, etc.

Nope, not doing that this game.

In fairness, you haven't hardly posted in this game.

Haha, not only OMGUS, but you had to wait to see if Mastin was gonna support you or not, first.

This doesn't make much sense....time for me to start drinking instead of doing this reread.

End page 15...rest tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

Continuing where I left off:

I think GIEFF's post 378 is a pretty good analysis of hypo-scum BM.

It's more that it sets them up to take on any opinion they want. I never find remaining consistent as a problem as scum.

yeah, but some players do. It's just a matter of how aware they are of their appearance to other players, and I definitely don't think it should be discounted.

Why did you feel the need to intervene here, Kmd?

Oh, I didn't deny it?
Still not paying attention to reality, huh?

I'm pretty sure he was referring to your response to alex, in which case, no, you did not deny it.

camn, I was talking about you not denying ALEX's claim of OMGUS. Denying mine is fine, but when you deny an accusation from one person, and tacitly admit the SAME accusation from another, that is a problem.

I agree with GIEFF here. As I know for a fact that camn is not dense, it looks somewhat suspicious to try and spin his point in that direction rather than just answer the question.

And PLEASE LYNCH ME!!!!!
PLEASE!
DO IT NOW!!!

I want to die right now just so the world will see how flawed your so-called "scumhunting" is.

Don't start sounding like dejkha.

don't really like the last followers of the Mastin wagon, DDD & SF. I don't think falling behind after being V/LA and having other games where to catch up is a relieable meta-tell at this point and doesn't deserve that amount of votes while he isn't posting.
I think Alex is thinking along those lines. But was going against the wagon a little to hard. He is more attacking the "intentions" of the wagon followers then defending Mastin himself.

Way to conveniently get on both sides of the alex issue.

He simply has played a ton of games with me.. whereas you have not.
If you are actually interested in truth, it would be silly to ignore his insight.... especially considering your reliance on my 'meta'

I agree with camn here. Kmd would have a better meta read on her than GIEFF would.

@Camn, what do you think about Gieff's 'cases' on you?
Do you think he is mafia trying to mislynch you or overeager town?

Does anyone else see scum trying to spur on a fight here?

How is it distracting? I think it has added a lot to the game.

I disagree.

I will sum up my feelings on it. Town vs. town, plain and simple. There are a few good points brought up, and I tried to highlight those above, but most of it is garbage and town should be more interested in lynching Mastin or BM right now.

A vote with no backing is called what?

It's not called OMGUS. Read more.


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Ok, caught up and back in this game. MORE LYNCHING OF BM AND MASTIN, PLZ.

[VP Baltar]

How does that question spur a fight.

Well, let's see, camn has already clearly stated how and why she disagrees GIEFF's case. They both agree to let it rest. You come in and say, "hey, gee camn, what do you think of his case? "

You are clearly trying to stir an argument that isn't helping discussion to really move ahead at all, meanwhile resting safely on the sidelines. If you have a problem with GIEFF's case, then make your arguments and don't nudge camn into doing it for you.

those 2 options came to my mind, see it as how I looked at the situation. And suspected the way camn was thinking about Gieff

Wait, so you are suspicious of camn? If so, why do both of your presented options presume camn to be town?

Meh, no lynching of BM today imo.

Well, that is stellar reasoning. You are incorrect.

And Mastin has to catch up faster then the thread is growing for a time. Getting at L-2 with plain lurking is quite a achievement. I don't feel a Mastin lynch that strong.

How do you feel about him promising this game is the next point of order and proceeding to post elsewhere on the site?

[VP Baltar]

Haven't heard what she was thinking about gieff intentions. And they didn't let it rest back then, btw.

If you didn't here her thoughts on it, then you need to read it again because she explicitly states where she thinks he is coming from. And they did come to a truce about it, btw.

I’m town, take your emotions elsewhere.

What was emotional about her comments? This just looks like a scummy off-hand comment to discredit potential points against you.

Battle Mage is... well... he's awesome. He's BM. 'nuff said.

Elaborate. I've seen very little, if any, "awesome" play from him this game. Give me some examples.

[VP Baltar]

Explain please. I don't follow.

You are saying the other wagon is just like the Mastin wagon, which it's not. By doing so, you are implicitly buddying with GIEFF. Understand?

Says a player who lays on the sidelines and is content with adding small talk letting other people decide the lynches...

You're right, this game needs more walls of text like your last one. My scumhunting is going along just fine, thanks. Also, way to divert attention away from your scummy behaviour without addressing the point.

hey... calling cases crap is NEVER a good defense... you should know that by now... Was it necesary to add the words probable mislynch?

Isn't that basically what you've done this whole time about the Mastin wagon?


Alex, I would like to hear your case against SensFan in 200 words or less.

Thanks

[VP Baltar]

Unvote, Vote:alexhans

[VP Baltar]

Jesus, I hate you people. Why are we posting 4 pages a day again?

Catching up later this evening after an obligation....hopefully.

[VP Baltar]

New rule in effect for the remainder of D1, if I can't read your whole post by scrolling once or less, it's not happening. If I missed something you really want addressed, you had better requote it.

I am arguing that camn believes voting lurkers is scummy, which explains why she hasn't done it, even though it is pro-town to vote those whom you think are scum.

This is an over complication of logic and is more than likely untrue. People don't think like this when they are scum. I should know, I am quite often.

Am I nuts, or is Benmage a giant hypocrite?

He's being a hypocrite. Not always a scumtell, but in this case it does seem fairly scummy.

His next post was 4 minutes later.
And his next one was 3 minutes after that.
Then yet another post 18 minutes later.
Then, 20, 18, 4, and 2.

And yet he still lives. MORE PEOPLE VOTE MASTIN.

Is English a second language to you, jammer? Also, I have no clue who the "you" is in that mess.

Ok. SO everytime I disagree with reasons for a waggon or don't suspect the same player as others then I will be buddying whoever is accused. I can handle that.

No. lrn 2 read. You were buddying with GIEFF, simple.

How you start mentioning a supposed scummy behaviour on my part... When you previously never mentioned anything of the sort...

OMG, you are like, so right....oh except when I called you somewhat scummy for your Mastin defence early in the game. If there weren't a million posts a day, you might recall.

reason being?

You're scum.

Unless my brain has died again, my vote is still on VP

And yet, you still don't know why yourself. Interesting theory.

it looks like:

Alex, Mastin, Hasdgfas, VP Baltar, Kairyuu

At what page did you exactly stop reading the game? Hascow is fucking dead, Kairyuu replaced out, and I have been wanting Mastin dead for some time now. My vote is currently on Alex. Thanks for playing.

-------TL,DR--------

People who need to die immediately:
Mastin or Alex or Cephrir or anyone with the initials BM

People who need to stop commenting altogether for the remainder of the day unless it is to vote one of the above:
GIEFF and Camn and Kmd and possibly jammer

People who could stand to post more:
DDD and BCC and Zachrulez

Everyone else:
As you were.

[VP Baltar]

ATTENTION TOWN: WE'RE NOT LYNCHING CAMN TODAY.

More votes on people who are actually scum: Alex, Mastin or Bowel Movements.

I'll address the rest of this crap later.

[VP Baltar]

Dearest GIEFF,

You and camn are both town. I've read your case. It's weak sauce and you can't let it go. There are some points that are mildly valid, but nothing that warrants a lynch. Meanwhile, Mastin is scum and you know it.

Yours in spirit,

VP Baltar

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@ alex--Your unwarranted defense of Mastin, high fluff ratio, and general pushing of horrible cases make you lynchalicious.

That's way under 200 words. What do I win?

[VP Baltar]

hold on... VP... So I take it that you think I'm scum with Mastin then?

You win nothing because it's a crappy line... crappy lines don't make cases and they definetly don't allow for pushing a lynch as you did.

I think one of you is scum and I'd be fine with either of your lynches. I still say I should win something, but whatevs.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: Thanks GIEFF! Forgot to mention alex's buddying in my one line. Damn brevity.

[VP Baltar]

@VP:

<3 (although your post was more than a scroll tsk, tsk).

Yeah, I felt a bit hypocritical....but 5 pages in a day will do that.

@DDD-is this sort of sit back and see what happens attitude typical of your town play?

Yes, and the "you(r)" is pointing at gieff. Is it that hard to read.

Normally I have no problem understanding, but that one post was a bit confusing. No big deal.

Just a point I felt like making right now to show the relative difficulty in reading and staying caught up in this entire game.

How long do you think it takes to read a word document that is 20 pages long?

That's probably not even one of the bigger pages either...

^Voice of reason

why would you want to shut up KMD? She has just joined the game.

Well, I think

HE

isn't actually doing much scum hunting right now. He's has mostly only been defending camn and calling GIEFF scum for attacking her. It is frankly quite obvious that both GIEFF and camn are likely town, so I don't see this as particularly useful behavior.

I supposed it's amazingly hard to understand it when you're all so worried about looking scummy.

I am? See, it is these sorts of unsupported, half-hidden jabs that make you so lynchalicious. It is so obvious that you are trying to sling mud without actually bringing a real case.

What am I supposed to do? Let you go over the same things again and again? Let you leave so many players untouched and opinion free?

The thing is, we only get one lynch a day. Be a team player and limit your posts to people who are at the top of your list.

@VP What makes Camn town for you?

Her frustration reads as genuine town. GIEFF's case isn't so much strong as it is repetitious, which is damn annoying. It is most likely that they are both town and the scum are just loving this diversion. People who are somewhat on the sidelines of it and want it to continue (you) have a higher probability of being scum than either camn or GIEFF do.

And I think that they DO have tried to actively derail the waggon. Look at KMD and tell me I'm wrong.

Give me the top five reasons to lynch camn.

Too many doubts on Alexhans in my mind even though he is undeniably playing scummy.

Can you detail these doubts? If he's "undeniably playing scummy", then why the hesitation?

Ooh, if only i had your aptitude with acronyms, you...Virgin Prick.

Heh, I had to laugh. I could have been referring to benmage! (who has actually jumped ahead of you in scumminess for his love of the camn wagon).

I am wondering if everyone on Alex's bandwagon is truly convinced he is more likely scum than Mastin or is simply bandwagoning him to avoid lynching Mastin.

I'm fine with either lynch. In fact, we seem to finally be making progress!!!!!

Unvote, Vote Mastin

Did i hear back on a link to a game of yours?

Christ you are lazy. VP Baltar. Enjoy!

[VP Baltar]

I'd like to sort my thoughts on VP Baltar out, before he NKs me.

So you're reveiwing me under the foregone conclusion that I'm scum? Tell me the main reasons why you think I am scummy before you go through and manufacture a case.

[VP Baltar]

Scratch that last post apparently.

VP's posts havent filled me with confidence in his smarts

This coming from the person who didn't know Hascow was dead and Kairyuu had replaced out.

What are the main points of the camn wagon?

[VP Baltar]

An excellent find by GIEFF.

[VP Baltar]

Jesus, no. We should be lynching Mastin or alex, as that is where the majority of agreement by the group is at. I really think if we give the camn situation a night for everyone to relax and look back, things will make much more sense.

[VP Baltar]

We have Mastin, who is known to lurk specifically as Scum, lurking.
We lynch Mastin today, then move on to deal with the VIs tomorrow.

^this

Because everyone hates [Mastin]. And if the scum are confident in their position, they'll feel confident enough to spend an NK getting rid of someone who is clearly zapping the GAME out of the game.

I refuse to believe you could be this dense, though every time you post you seem to make me doubt it a little less.

Jammer's not being lynched today.

Accept it and vote for Mastin.

Keep it up and you could become one of my new favorite people!


Attn: GIEFF, benmage, spyrex, and camn---the time has come to do the right thing and vote Mastin. Scum are clearly trying to make this day utterly useless and Mastin's lynch will tell us information about his most ardent defenders. Furthermore, Mastin's scum meta is to lurk when he gets behind. Be pro-town and help this game move forward.

[VP Baltar]

Game began on July 9. That would make deadline August 6, I believe.

[VP Baltar]

This is dumb. Even if you believe Mastin is scum, there is no way that continuing the day is anti-town.

With how long you have been on this site you'd think you at least had some sort of grasp on optimal town strategy. Also, continuing the day when I feel lynching hyposcum-Mastin doesn't help the town at all. We have seen you and alex defending him for god knows what reasons, so if he flips scum we know exactly who to string up tomorrow.

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP: continuing the day when I feel lynching Mastin will reveal scum doesn't help the town at all.


Wires were crossed in phrase changing.

[VP Baltar]

Haha, if you're gonna play the IC card, might i note that with your, comparatively limited experience, you would do well to take note of what i say concerning game strategy.

If you appeared to have any apptitude for the game, I might consider listening to you. As it is, it's unlikely.

Mastin isnt going anywhere.

Except into a noose today.

What are you gonna do if Mastin winds up town?

Surprisingly the game will continue on, and likely be better off anyhow. How much experience do you have playing with Mastin?

[VP Baltar]

Pro-tip: Mastin is only at L-4 right now.

What makes you so certain Camn will hammer, benmage?

I'm willing to let a little more time pass before I do vote. Because quite frankly I want to see the Mastin hanging.

Do these seem like contradictary statements to anyone else?

[VP Baltar]

GIEFF, that isn't a very logical conclusion to be reaching without seeing any alignment flips. Mastin needs lynching. Also, I forgot to say earlier, but I will address your case on camn point by point overnight so you don't feel like people are completely ignoring you.

[VP Baltar]

But at least you won't be pushing his lynch again.

I agree with you for a change. You should vote Mastin.

[VP Baltar]

GIEFF, you played with camn as scum, do you feel she needs that much coaching to play correctly?

[VP Baltar]

She doesn't need coaching at all; she was a very good scum player.

That's my point then. Perhaps you are simply forcing the square peg into the round hole.

Benmage, have you been scum before with a daytalk QT?

[VP Baltar]

I would lynch alex to test your theory....tomorrow. These types of accusations never fly until you know someone's alignment.

I think you could very well be reaching for some of these "coaching" instances you point out. Here is a counter question for you:

Do you think any townie would defend Mastin so hard for no reason?

[VP Baltar]

Actually not me, but I believe someone else in a previous game of mine confirmed they had seen day talk scum before.

Happen to recall which game this might be?

What I find interesting is benmage's parading about on how bad he thinks Mastin should be lynched immediately, but he wouldn't vote him before because he was worried about him not getting a response. Now he takes the first possible opportunity to get off that wagon.

re:alex--I'm not against his lynch today. My lynch preference order right now is Mastin, alex, benmage.

Mastin wagon is still in the lead and makes a great deal of sense if people would cease getting distracted by GIEFF.

[VP Baltar]

This is pretty much my lynching list. I think this is what some people asked for different reasons.
Mastin
Gieff
Alexhans

SpyreX (1): jammer

just saying.

Mastin wagon is still in the lead and makes a great deal of sense if people would cease getting distracted by GIEFF.

I concur. I wasn't worried about Mastin getting in a response, but other people finishing their day thoughts before the day ended.

GIEFF (2): Benmage, camn

just saying.

[VP Baltar]

well it's good to see you conveniently forgot who you were voting.

[hint]vote Mastin[/hint]

[VP Baltar]

@jammer-if someone is topping your scumlist, why are you voting someone who is not even on it? That makes no sense. Why do you have to wait for mastin to say something before you vote him, especially when it is likely he will be commenting about page 5 when he comes back?

[VP Baltar]

Baltar, you were actually voting for alex not too long ago, and switched to Mastin in the interest of ending the day. Why so much hesitation to vote alex now?

Nice misrep. Not currently voting alex =/= being hesitant about doing so. Quit trying to force people to vote the way you want through crappy accusations. It's scummy.

do you know something I don't?

Seems that way.

you've been setting up my lynch for a long time now...

Probably because you have a strong chance of being scum.

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN IT TO ME?

I summed it up in a single sentence. How quickly we forget.

[VP Baltar]

@ Zachrulz--stay focused here. Mastin lynch > GIEFF lynch, and it needs to happen soon to end this rapidly degrading discussion.

[VP Baltar]

I'm resigned to a mastin lynch

Please vote Mastin then.

[VP Baltar]

It has degraded, as you stopped making logical sense about 20 pages ago. For instance, announcing that you want to pressure wagon somebody isn't good play. Food for thought.

[VP Baltar]

Do I have any chance of opening your eyes before tomorrow about BM? because I'm almost willing to vote mastin provided that Yaw guarantees us a LONG night and a replacement for Cephir who is damaging this game greatly.

I'm not willing to lynch battlemage today. I do agree he has scummy behaviour, however, and think that would be a good talking point for tomorrow. I think nights are of a set time. I agree that Cehprir should be replaced.

[VP Baltar]

GIEFF, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you are making it somewhat difficult for this game to move forward. Arriving at a concensus now would be a good thing for the town. There is a lot of information to be garnered from a Mastin lynch, and it will eliminate a lurker. There is not a downside to this.

[VP Baltar]

@ Zach--I'll paint myself purple if you put your vote back on Mastin.

[VP Baltar]

Or, all the people who are saying they would vote mastin could simply do it and this day could be done within the hour. He's at what, L-3 right now? Something like that.

Zach, Sens, jammer--little help please.

[VP Baltar]

jammer, the best thing you can do for Ceph and BCC is to vote Mastin and end the day so pages will stop being added and they can actually catch up. This game has elephantiasis, and it is ridiculous to expect people to catch up with 3-6 pages added daily. I doubt their comments at this point would be worthwhile or change your feelings on Mastin.

Just vote.

I am feeling bloodthirsty!

That's the camn we all know and love.

@ Zach

I was also going through my Hulkamania phase at that time. Little did I know that Macho Man Randy Savage was actually going to kiss me on the mouth when I dared him to. I haven't felt the same way about pro-wrestling since that day.

[VP Baltar]

@VPB/DDD What are your opinions on Gieff? Are you willing to lynch him today?

No. He may be annoying right now, but he is most likely town.

Indeed, I think we had 6, and we’re getting real close to lynching Mastin before Gieff completely derailed it. I think you should vote him

So, you are saying I should vote him for derailing the Mastin wagon while you are actively trying to derail Mastin wagon redux. I'll pass.

I’m with this day needing to end.

Less chat, more splat. Time for you to actually vote Mastin and stop talking about it.

[VP Baltar]

ugh, simulpost. thanks benmage.

[VP Baltar]

Bah, go town. (I wonder how many people are jealous of my death?)

[VP Baltar]

I didn't follow this game too closely, so I can't give substantial comments. However, I know that the various members of the scum team all had significant pressure on them...it's just too bad the town didn't follow through.

DDD should have been lynched early. I'm not sure how he got away with that playstyle.

I agree with what Vi said about long days. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw I was dead. Town spent too much time talking themselves out of good lynch choices it seems to me.

GIEFF definitely shouldn't have self-hammered, but then again I don't even understand how he was wagoned that high. He seemed town to me, even though he wasn't creating waaaay too much noise for the good of town.

Anyhow, good game to the scum team. How many times is this I've lost to kmd scum now? 3? This is getting depressing (even if I'm not really around to help).

[VP Baltar]

Oh, and thanks for modding Yaw! This game was probably a bear to keep up with, especially early. You're a trooper.

[VP Baltar]

Post game has too much talk.