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[NJAC]

Greetings.

VOTE: Greeting

[NJAC]

VOTE: Dionysus

Hope you online man

Why? This is forum Mafia, so you can interact with others asynchronously. What had you said to him, if he had been online?

[NJAC]

I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

[NJAC]

I vote Kowahbunga for town leader.

Please elaborate

[NJAC]

fos cephrir

igmeoy cephrir

What is igmeoy?

i got my eye on you

^trait I want in my leader!

How is answering something that anyone can simply read on the wiki a desirable trait on a town leader?

[NJAC]

fos cephrir

igmeoy cephrir

What is igmeoy?

i got my eye on you

^trait I want in my leader!

How is answering something that anyone can simply read on the wiki a desirable trait on a town leader?

and you have lied to me. igmeoy is not on the wiki.
VOTE: NJAC

Nope, I have not, look:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Eye_On_You

However I think the wiki has changed from how I remember it.

[NJAC]

UNVOTE: - even though you did still lie to me...

lmaoooo I just realized igmeoy is... i got my eye on you...

goodnight. I'll see myself out.

Lol

[NJAC]

I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

[NJAC]

I think Bub can go to my town pile too. I kind of like his cases, except maybe the case on ballpointpen, who I think is putting some effort into the game.

[NJAC]

Catching up in a while

[NJAC]

There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

Why?

[NJAC]

Hey everyone! Apologies for being absent. I will be catching up during the next hours.

[NJAC]

If there's something that I should quickly address please let me know.

[NJAC]

Letting you know that I'm still in the process of catching up. I still have like ten pages to read. I see the deadline is going to be extended, so I will be fully caught up before deadline.

Meanwhile, if you want me to comment on something let me know.

[NJAC]

Did njac ever catch up in the like 4 days he said he was going to?

Yes, I have been catching up. I still have some pages to read. Hopefully I will be fully caught up tonight.

Do you want me to comment onto something specific?

[NJAC]

I am also letting you know that I won't claim until I'm at L-1 AND someone manifests clear and loud their intention to hammer.

If you eliminate me without letting me claim, it will be Town's fault for playing poorly.

[NJAC]

Did njac ever catch up in the like 4 days he said he was going to?

Yes, I have been catching up. I still have some pages to read. Hopefully I will be fully caught up tonight.

Do you want me to comment onto something specific?

Are you familiar with the critically acclaimed movie Beetlejuice?

Yes

[NJAC]

@Hu Tao:

Who are the scum and why?

[NJAC]

@Hu Tao:

Who are the scum and why?

you need to answer this question way more than hu tao does

I'm in the process of answering that. But what's wrong with asking a town read of me to give me their scum reads?

[NJAC]

You townread me? Or you think I Townread you?

I townread you. Have you read my posts?

[NJAC]

You townread me? Or you think I Townread you?

I townread you. Have you read my posts?

Weird how?
Yes but the way you worded it was weird

[NJAC]

@Hu Tao:

Who are the scum and why?

you need to answer this question way more than hu tao does

I'm in the process of answering that. But what's wrong with asking a town read of me to give me their scum reads?

Also how have you been catching up for 4 days and still needing reassurance before outing a read?

Some IRL issues, I couldn't find the time to properly catch up. I thought of replacing out, but now I have some time so I think I should better try to play.

Meantime, given that you are online, I thought it was a good idea to ask you.

[NJAC]

You townread me? Or you think I Townread you?

I townread you. Have you read my posts?

Yes but the way you worded it was weird

Weird how?

[NJAC]

Andante, Kawaii, ballpoint, and Bub are in my townie basket.

Hey look friends!! I made it to the townie basket!!! Yall proud of me? XD
I am proud of me too!!!

yay more jokes...more friends. no content.

Curiousdog goes to my town pile.

[NJAC]

Anyway it’s time for some shitposting.

Has anyone realized how Andante magically moved away from Kawaii???

Ok now that I’m done with shitposting

We have no reason to force CKD to out what they are claiming. If you think CKD is scum, just lim CKD. If you think CKD is town, let mafia deal with the claim. We don’t want to do free work for mafia.

GIF making some sense, gets townie points.

[NJAC]

Can y'all elaborate on why wagon analysis is bad without a flip? Maybe I'm playing poorly but at least help me understand why.

cause it all relies on X being town/scum and if 1 person's alignment is the basis for all your reads, it's kinda just a waste of time tbh (I have learned from experience lol)

I mean I'm aware of the fact that I could be wrong and the PR claim doesn't mean they're town. But in a scenario with equally waffling cases in other directions it seems reasonable to me to believe the claim at this stage of the game; besides, if it's false, there's a LOT of game ahead where they're going to have to maintain this narrative they've boxed themselves into right off the bat, and as time and the game goes on, it'll be easier to catch them if they're scum because they're locked themselves into such a tight box moving forward.

So I get the point about confbias. I'm not saying that curious is conftown. I think that at this stage of the game there's no reason not to believe the claim, but that with more gameplay and actions happening, there'll be plenty of opportunity for that to either solidify and shore up, or crumble and fall apart.

Glitch slot goes to my town pile.

[NJAC]

if i had three dayvigs skygazer glitch and ballpoint would all be dead

Cephrir's aggressive playstyle doesn't seem natural to me. I'm getting some scum vibes from this slot.

[NJAC]

these feel like 1d takes

Please explain this, I don't understand what you mean.

[NJAC]

Okay. I'll keep up with my reading.

[NJAC]

what even happened to NJAC btw
the lowposters in this game are indifferent at best and frustratingly weird at worst
absolute mafia hell

Yeah it's what putting me off the game a bit. Also NJAC was more active last time we played.

And I was scum that game, remember?

[NJAC]

if i had three dayvigs skygazer glitch and ballpoint would all be dead

Cephrir's aggressive playstyle doesn't seem natural to me. I'm getting some scum vibes from this slot.

You yourself admit it is a playstyle in this very post ??

Maybe playstyle is not the proper word. My English is not very good. I was refferring to your aggressive approach to the game, specially in your interactions with Glitch. That approach doesn't feel natural to me.

I might need to do some meta on you to learn more about your playstyle, but I don't have the time.

[NJAC]

My god I cannot understand the scumcase for Glitch. Multiple people now have acted like they've done something scummy but I've seen literally nobody explain why anything they've done is scummy.

I agree a lot with this.

Bub keeps shining in my town pile.

[NJAC]

cephrir keeps voting people and then being like "but they're probably town hehe"

i dunno if he'd do that as scum

Yeah, Cephrir is pinging my radar.

[NJAC]

How many scum are usually in these large games? 4?

That info is in the OP. Did you read it?

[NJAC]

How many scum are usually in these large games? 4?

I think 4, sounds about right, maybe 5 weak? 4 feels like a good guess to me though

Another player who doesn't read?

Not sure if this is fake.

[NJAC]

I agree with Greeting being scummy

Yes, this is worth pursuing.

[NJAC]

Who’s a passive scum player here?

Cuz scum team is passive af let’s be honest here

Taking no action, content in the quiet corners

What exactly makes you think scum are not being active?

[NJAC]

but i don't have a better idea either if im honest

This doesn't sit well with the aggressive approach that Cephrir showed earlier in the game.

Cephrir is scum, my friends.

[NJAC]

Scum really don’t want NJAC executed.

I’m starting to think that is the case too. Players like him should be policy-elimmed, and it’s very surprising that there’s only four votes on him so far.

This is such bad logic

Why is that?

Policy is a dumb term for laziness and people who don't want consequences for their actions if they turn out wrong. It's an ego protector. If they are wrong they can just day "oh well its their fault for playing that way"

Hu Tao keeps gaining town points.

Greeting keeps pinging my scumdar.

[NJAC]

Okay people.

I'm fully caught up now!

Scum:
Cephrir
Greeting

Let's vote one of those!

[NJAC]

My intuition is telling me NJAC is a bad vote out today.

VOTE: Andante

Let's see what dreams are made of

eh, it's your or NJAC. Not interested in starting any other wagon, at least for me. if NJAC aint happening, imma just vote Hu Tao.

Why not another wagon?

[NJAC]

There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

Why?

@Greeting: please answer this.

[NJAC]

Who’s a passive scum player here?

Cuz scum team is passive af let’s be honest here

Taking no action, content in the quiet corners

What exactly makes you think scum are not being active?

Because for scum to have been active it requires anyone to have been active.

I am actually turning around on you despite my given push.

Cephir has been a bit scum pinging me lately, but idk if it’s just personality

I think there's at least one scum among the most active players.

Let's vote Cephrir!

[NJAC]

Flavor Leaf scumreading me should be taken as a towntell

Why? Care to explain?

[NJAC]

@Andante:

What are your reads on Greeting and Cephrir?

[NJAC]

I think there's at least one scum among the most active players.

So someone who has been least active, clearly followed along seeing people say NJAC was one of the least active, now all of a sudden "LET'S YEET TOP POSTERS"
like wtf?? I'll pass, it's day 1 of a large, and half the player list isn't playing, also you're just flat out ignoring the wagon forming on me, not stopping it, not encouraging it. feels scummy

VOTE: NJAC

This is really dumb. From all that I said, and given that I explicitly said who are my scum reads, you decide to pick explicitly this portion of my post to vote for me.

Very poor reason to vote me. Try better.

[NJAC]

@Andante:

What are your reads on Greeting and Cephrir?

unsure and town

Why is Cephrir town exactly?

[NJAC]

So everyone who is active is town?

[NJAC]

Sigh! Your logic is so bad.

Would you join the Greeting wagon?

[NJAC]

like, where's your head at? any TRs/SRs?

I have already mentioned them. Go and read.

[NJAC]

Those are my scumreads. Remember me why are yours?

[NJAC]

What are yours?*

[NJAC]

Then revaluate quickly and give me your other scumreads.

[NJAC]

Yep

[NJAC]

Flavor Leaf scumreading me should be taken as a towntell

Why? Care to explain?

we have not gotten along in any game ever, to my knowledge

So what?

I also haven't gotten along in any game ever with you.

I'm also scumreading you.

Does that make me town too?

[NJAC]

That's really dumb.

VOTE: Cephrir

[NJAC]

@Venmar:

You are right about your reads on Cephrir and Greeting. Those are scum.

You are in my townbloc now.

[NJAC]

@everyone please share your reads on Cephrir and Greeting.

[NJAC]

cephrir is probably town here guys
greeting too
njac is probably town tho despite having bad takes
hu tao is ???

let's kill hu tao

Why Ceph and Greeting are town?

[NJAC]

ceph has a certain energy as scum that he doesn't really have here
greeting just seems town i don't agree with kowabungha's read and i don't know if there's a good case against them but i can look real quick

What energy is that?

Also please have another look at Greeting. I think they had done nothing to deserve being labeled as town, on the contrary his push on me is very scummy, and his contribution is null.

[NJAC]

@Bub what are your reads on Cephrir and Greeting?

[NJAC]

STD could be scum with Ceph and/or Greeting.

[NJAC]

@everyone please share your reads on Cephrir and Greeting.

Ceph solidly town on play, Greeting ehhhh probably town on vibes.

Tell me more about the vibe on Greeting. What in particular makes you think they are town?

[NJAC]

If Ceph and Greeting wagons are not happening, then between Andante and Hu Tao I prefer the former. I'm not a fan of her erratic play, and her logic is bad.

VOTE: Andante

[NJAC]

There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

Why?

@Greeting: please answer this.

Gut feeling. I've removed

KittyTacky

since, now I only want you and whomever replaced Glitch out.

Your contributions to the game have been weak and inconsistent, and you have never given good reasoning as to why I'm scum. Only mention I found was in 928. If I'm to be honest, even though you posted a lot, doesn't feel like you've influenced the game at all.

Glitch's contributions to the game felt really forced and done for the sake of appearances.

Why exactly was Kitty originally there and why exactly did you remove him?

[NJAC]

Шэь рукую

Нуфр Утсрфте шы ысгью

@

MOD

: This shouldn't be allowed, please take action.

[NJAC]

i've become much more sure about hu in the last ~5 pages and have been quite clear that i think they are scum and should die at this stage

What exactly in the last 5 pages has made you sure about Hu?

[NJAC]

In the last ~5 pages I essentially see Hu questioning you to try to understand your case on him. Is that what makes you sure he's scum?

[NJAC]

Mmmkay, I probably need to reread but I agreed with Hu that you didn't have a strong case on him. So I find his questioning to you valid.

[NJAC]

Шэь рукую

Нуфр Утсрфте шы ысгью

@

MOD

: This shouldn't be allowed, please take action.

What does this feel so scummy to me lol? Like I saw it and my immediate thought was “mod will handle that if its a big deal” but just seeing someone specifically pointing it out to the mod just seems like a misdirection.

Ugh, this is a really bad post. Kowah loses townie points here.

[NJAC]

Kowah's post is not +town, but whatever.

So Ceph or Skygazer. This is becoming interesting. I don't like how Skygazer's wagon was quickly derailed for Cephrir's, though.

Let's

VOTE: Skygazer

[NJAC]

What happened to Andante wagon

Still up for that if necessary, but at least she is more active than Skygazer.

[NJAC]

I townread Skygazer

Please explain.

[NJAC]

I townread Skygazer

Please explain.

Explained

What? Where?

ISOing you I see you had that slot leaning scum, am I wrong?

[NJAC]

Mmm. Malcolm could be scum after all.

[NJAC]

Mmm. Malcolm could be scum after all.

You got anything besides omgus? He doesn't look scummy to me at all

I'm trying to understand this late push on me, I don't find it particularly town motivated. But you are right, maybe is just OMGUS, because I had that slot leaning town.

It's just that the reasons for his case on me don't seem genuine.

[NJAC]

The push on me was originally motivated for my lack of participation, AFAICT. Malcolm says my posts haven't improved, but if the push was originally for the lack of participation and my participation improved, then it's not clear what have not improved. He apparently doesn't like that the wagon on me dissolved, and he seems to try to divert attention from the wagon on Skygazer.

[NJAC]

The push on me was originally motivated for my lack of participation, AFAICT. Malcolm says my posts haven't improved, but if the push was originally for the lack of participation and my participation improved, then it's not clear what have not improved. He apparently doesn't like that the wagon on me dissolved, and he seems to try to divert attention from the wagon on Skygazer.

[NJAC]

Okay, I see your point. I don't remember that Malcolm expressed before some particular reasons for voting me, but I must check.

I'm already voting Skygazer, BTW.

PEDIT: That's another reason to suspect him, he didn't ask me anything. He just voted me and expressed his "reasons". I was just pointing that he could be scum.

PEDIT2: This is in response to Ceph.

[NJAC]

Thanks hu tao that's really helpful would anyone else like to cosign on how much I suck

Me. I didn't like your AtE, expected more from you.

[NJAC]

im jealous bc i dont have a colorful name anymore

Can you please share us who are your scumreads and why?

[NJAC]

I am actually very very interested in how many people got angry for someone suddenly becoming very town.

Wait! Who did became very town suddenly?

[NJAC]

Okay GIF.

[NJAC]

And what happens with the other players you don't mention, are they null reads or what?

[NJAC]

@Malcolm, Kitty, Sky, Flavor, curious: you should pick one of the biggest wagons at this point.

[NJAC]

I can see a scenario where scumAndante tries desperately to save herself. I kind of see sky's lack of defense as something scum wouldn't do, at the very least their partners will encourage her to defend somehow.

So, let's do it:

VOTE: Andante

That's L-2 I think.

[NJAC]

I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

What about

Hu Tao

's response to pressure did you like? This slot has spent more energy being on the defensive than doing actual scumhunting. Seems to be quite comfortable sitting on the

curiouskarmadog

wagon, which appears to be a cozy place to be for the time being.

this is filler questioning. clearly, bub has a good point about how hu tao responded to pressure on his slot. njac is making reference to that, and further questioning is like leading the conversation to a socratic dialogue where all leans we can possibly have will fail to further scrutiny. and then greeting attaches with the further empty questioning a line or two of shading hu tao, but it's weak and feels like just putting a narrative out there.

Exactly!

Thanks for noting it. I think you can go to my town pile. And I insist on what I said earlier: Greeting is scum.

[NJAC]

I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

What about

Hu Tao

's response to pressure did you like? This slot has spent more energy being on the defensive than doing actual scumhunting. Seems to be quite comfortable sitting on the

curiouskarmadog

wagon, which appears to be a cozy place to be for the time being.

this is filler questioning. clearly, bub has a good point about how hu tao responded to pressure on his slot. njac is making reference to that, and further questioning is like leading the conversation to a socratic dialogue where all leans we can possibly have will fail to further scrutiny. and then greeting attaches with the further empty questioning a line or two of shading hu tao, but it's weak and feels like just putting a narrative out there.

Exactly!

Thanks for noting it. I think you can go to my town pile. And I insist on what I said earlier: Greeting is scum.

lets wagon him?

Not sure we have the time and that we can consolidate enough votes at this point.

[NJAC]

I will say Gimli is a Townie-looking Wolf, but a wolf nonetheless.

we tolerate (actually we don't but I do) frogsterking because he is generally right

your solve is full potatoes

Who is frogsterking and why is it relevant to this game?

[NJAC]

Gim vs Flavor seems like town vs town.

I think we should just lim Andante and move on.

[NJAC]

@NJAC: let's go greeting wagon? its what you want after all, isn't it?

Okay. Let's try:

VOTE: Greeting

I'll come back to Andante if this wagon don't get enough support, though.

[NJAC]

I claim Town Mason.

Who should we lim then?

[NJAC]

I don't like Kowah's push on Greeting.

Hmm. if Greeting were scum, i'd probably go deeper into Kitty. But this was super early.

Idk, Kitty's just a gut scum read right now for me.

Gimli I could probably fully case, but effort, and don't really want to push there today

Kitty could be scum, btw.

[NJAC]

Gimli or Kitty is our best chance if we want to hit scum. Skygazer is our best chance if we wanna hit town.

@NJAC - what you feeling?

Kitty is probably scum, though I find it hard to make a case on him.

[NJAC]

I hate how much Gimli is flipping votes... I think I see why people SR me for doing it

LOL, you are finally making some sense.

[NJAC]

UNVOTE:

It would be useful to have other players here. Maybe stop flooding the thread so others can catch up quickier?

[NJAC]

VOTE: kitty

[NJAC]

@Malcolm what do you think of Greeting's claim?

[NJAC]

Kitty seems like a reasonable elimination but I'm VT, so if you do want to get rid of me to simply end the turn feel free, anything for the game to progress onto D2.

Wait! Weren't you a Mason?

[NJAC]

can people stop claiming... like... especially a vt claim.. WHY???

I mean from a philosophical POV we're all claiming VT at the start of a mafia game until we formally claim. Never seen that as a big deal when playing.

This is dumb. Town should not lie.

[NJAC]

VOTE: Venmar

Gut feeling

[NJAC]

Actually I don't feel like reading 30 pages can someone just loop me in or point to things I should care about

I think you shouldn't be lazy, if you're interested in doing some scumhunt you should go and read, and come back with good content.

[NJAC]

All I'll say for now is that NJAC visited me last night with a loud action

VOTE: Venmar

Gut feeling

dont have to tell me twice.

Vote Venmar

what am I missing here? Why isnt this getting more action? I thought this was pointing a direction, but then a see this...

Actually I don't feel like reading 30 pages can someone just loop me in or point to things I should care about

I think you shouldn't be lazy, if you're interested in doing some scumhunt you should go and read, and come back with good content.

this doesnt feel like someone who knows something. This feels like someone asking someone to do something so they will provide content (essentially scum hunting).

NJAC, is my vote in the right place?

Yes, I think it's useful where it is.

[NJAC]

I think it's possible I'm wrong and it's still venmar

Other scumreads might be you, njac, bub, but I'm more confident in trs right now than scumreads

Can you please elaborate on your read on me?

[NJAC]

@Andante: what happened to your scumread on Malcolm?

I think it's worth exploring that again.

[NJAC]

I think it's possible I'm wrong and it's still venmar

Other scumreads might be you, njac, bub, but I'm more confident in trs right now than scumreads

Can you please elaborate on your read on me?

You kind of are a poster child for "the scummy pop-in"

Not sure what you mean here, could you please reword this and explain it more?

[NJAC]

NJAC still want Venmar gone? What are your other reads?

Yes. I'm still working on that. I would focus on those who didn't vote kitty yesterday. Malcolm could be scum, I think.

[NJAC]

I drank some beers but here are some quick thoughts:

Vig should shoot Andante to remove the noise and we should lim today one of those who were not on Kitty's wagon.

[NJAC]

Like, assuming one scum decided to bus Kitty, we would have 1 scum on that wagon and 2 scum outside of it.

That means the odds of limming scum are 1/9 on Kitty's wagon, and 2/7 outside of it.

We have a much bigger chance of limming scum if we vote one of those 7.

[NJAC]

I drank some beers but here are some quick thoughts:

Vig should shoot Andante to remove the noise and we should lim today one of those who were not on Kitty's wagon.

Why vig when we can fade

I think Andante would be a good vig target. Vig would know that he/she is not hitting a power role accidentally.

But, it was just a suggestion. It's just that I prefer not to see you and Andante flooding the thread again, endlessly accusing each other, convincing others and spamming here and there.

The noise I'm referring to is not only coming from her, but also from you, especially when you tunnel and repeat one thousand times what you already said.

[NJAC]

Like, assuming one scum decided to bus Kitty, we would have 1 scum on that wagon and 2 scum outside of it.

That means the odds of limming scum are 1/9 on Kitty's wagon, and 2/7 outside of it.

We have a much bigger chance of limming scum if we vote one of those 7.

Why do you think only 1 scum bussed? This is a lot of assumptions, I don’t think there’s any strong merit to say that for sure

It may also happen that not a single scum bussed, I was just considering some probable scenarios. But I think it's very likely that at most one scum bussed. So I was doing some statistic based on that.

[NJAC]

That’s a better chance at hitting scum if we had no reasons and was throwing darts blindfolded when we had a whole giant day of info to pull from.

I think Andante is almost obviously scum at this point, so from my pov, the best chance at hitting scum is voting Andante.

I never said we shouldn't take in consideration the whole giant day of info.

From those seven players that I mentioned we should pick those who, based on what happened on day 1, and considering everything else, are more likely scum.

If you are so convinced about Andante being scum, then go ahead and keep doing what you are doing, I won't stop you.

[NJAC]

I drank some beers but here are some quick thoughts:

Vig should shoot Andante to remove the noise and we should lim today one of those who were not on Kitty's wagon.

Why are you so confident there might a vig to solve this for us?

Besides, under your theory of 1 person bussing Kitty, why is Andante not a prime suspect there as the 4th vote and someone who's been seemingly vocal about how she wasn't actually a fan of the wagon?

GIF already answered that. It's very likely that we have a vig, but we don't really know.

Andante could perfectly be a prime suspect, if you want to pursue that then go ahead. I was just talking about what was statistically best for us.

[NJAC]

are more likely scum.

How are they more likely to be scum? You're basing it off of a blank canvas and not actual reads. This is inherently untrue.

I think I didn't word it properly.

I'll try to explain it better. There are two groups:

Group 1: formed by 9 players, those who were on Kitty's wagon at the end of D1.

Group 2: formed by 7 players, those who were not on Kitty's wagon at the end of D1.

What I was trying to say is that we should select the scummier players from group 2, and press and vote there.

Like, I expect we can narrow down that group of 7, by analyzing what happened on D1 and other things, and reach a lim pool of maybe two or three suspects, and if we lim one of those we have a high chance of hitting scum.

[NJAC]

Group 1 (9 players): Flavor Leaf, Gimli, NJAC, Andante, Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

Group 2 (7 players): Greeting, Enchant, Venmar, GuyInFreezer, MalcolmTucker, Eiralox, Skygazer


Group 2 includes Greeting, who has claimed Mason. So we can focus this day 2 on the following lim pool:

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

We have a high chance of hitting scum by limming one of those six players, like a probability of 1/3, if the assumption of at most one scum bussing is true.

Who is the scummiest from that six?

[NJAC]

Okay, that's fine.

[NJAC]

Hey everyone!

Can you please order these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

[NJAC]

Page top, and caught up. Yay.

Awesome! Can you please answer 3118?

[NJAC]

@Enchant, @Gimli:

Please answer 3118.

[NJAC]

Andante, Hu Tao, NJAC, GIF, Enchant, Malcolm.

Whatever gets put on the most lists is likely town.

Can you please elaborate on your reads on NJAC, GIF, Enchant and Malcolm?

[NJAC]

Hey everyone!

Can you please order these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

I need andante's flip to reassess on this entire game so I can't really answer that well

It's okay if you don't have a full assessment, gun to your head how would you order them?

[NJAC]

@Enchant, @Gimli:

Please answer 3118.

Enchant, Enchant, Enchant, Enchant, Enchant, Enchant

And removing Enchant from the list, how would you order the other five?

[NJAC]

@curious:

Please answer 3118.

[NJAC]

This is flipping town though

Why are you voting it if you're townreading it?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
yeah, Andante is scum locked.

You realize Kitty and GIF were referring to Sky, right?

How exactly does that make Andante scum?

[NJAC]

NJAC I'm just going to be blunt. Do you have some sort of guilty on venmar or no?

If I had considered necessary to reveal more info, I would have done it already. I'm going to be NKed soon, so Town will see the whole picture anyway.

[NJAC]

idk what NJAC's doing

I'm trying to use the time I have on D2 to do some scumhunt. I think I won't last much in this game, because scum already knows I'm a PR.

I admit the case on Andante is sound, but my focus has been on those who were not on Kitty's wagon.

Anyway, if I have not made that clear yet, then I'll say it again: I don't oppose Andante's lim at all.

[NJAC]

@Andante:

Please answer 3118.

[NJAC]

And the other five?

[NJAC]

Ah well whatever I can’t do anything anymore so

1-shot bodyguard.
N1 I held because I didn’t want to die yet
N2 I wanted to die and I had 50/50 between FL and NJAC
I chose wrong

Why did you choose me?

[NJAC]

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

bbp is clearly not some random, so for him to be 'playing the devil's advocate' in response to a baffling post by game face makes me feel like this is a forced interaction, like somehow bbp sort of wants to build an interaction with bub. its nothing about the game itself so I think this is an odd tangent. I don't like the looks of this interaction.

This looks so not relevant to the current state of the game. Like why are you talking about an early interaction during RVS, about two players that have not flipped yet, and one of them was replaced out?

[NJAC]

Inclined to be believe GIF's claim for the most part for now... just feels a bit too random to be a scum powermove or something.

Sheeps posting I kind of vibe with in general but the sky vote idk if I agree with. Gimli's #3385 certainly is interesting, might have to revisit what bpp did in general.

What exactly is interesting about 3385 and why do you suddenly need to revisit bbp?

[NJAC]

Gimli is really townie. I'll maintain the triage of Andante/Flavor/Gimli was all active town accusing each other to a degree. Scum got lucky when Flavor got off track after his correct townread on Andante.

Did you say this triage sometime earlier in the game? If not, I can't say I like the idea of bragging/justifying a Gimli TR by lumping him in with a couple dead townies like this. Something about the vibes of that don't sit well with me, idk.

This is a good post from Venmar, I like it.

[NJAC]

I think of your questions are self-explanatory tbh if you read #3385

You think wrong, I didn't like 3385, looks irrelevant, like I said.

Please answer the questions.

[NJAC]

ok so i've thought about it and i'm outting

i'm a traffic analyst and gimli is able to communicate. with the masonry i'd normally hide this but after rereading greeting and gimli i don't really see them as masons together.

so gimli is prob scum (or a neighbor or mailman or something but probably just scum)

VOTE: gimli

This is worth pursuing:

VOTE: Gimli

[NJAC]

aight UNVOTE:

reaction test over

Oh boy!

I can't really understand what happened to the meta of this site and when the fact of lying stopped to being a cause of punishment.

[NJAC]

VOTE: Skygazer

Lim all liars

[NJAC]

reaction test aside, i am a traffic analyst and have an inno on StD (they can't communicate)

so maybe don't go there

Is this true?

[NJAC]

bruh i know i was trying to prevent you from outting it

Jesus, this is so dumb

[NJAC]

let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

I'm with

STD

and

Cephrir

on this one.

And, as a matter of fact, one game when I was mafia, I tried pushing a similar point to move up the pace and fake a contribution.

I admit I reread this on N1 and thought it was a crumb, but then saw that Greeting bolds names in every post.

[NJAC]

but sky, what that means is that when you first fakeclaimed traffic analyst you were literally targeting someone that you actually did think was greeting's mason with a positive result, so that when I outed masons you'd appear like a townie

This is correct. If Sky thought you were the other mason, then outing you with the fakeclaim was not town motivated.

[NJAC]

but sky, what that means is that when you first fakeclaimed traffic analyst you were literally targeting someone that you actually did think was greeting's mason with a positive result, so that when I outed masons you'd appear like a townie

i was thinking you'd do exactly what we did so u could distance urself from the masonry but in hindsight that couldve gone even more stupidly if u were a mason

i drank too much last night and am not operating at 100%

shouldve just stuck to lurking

This is so wrong in all senses.

If Sky thought Gimli was indeed a mason, then she could have not expected that the same interaction happened at all. In case Gimli was a mason, his natural reaction to Sky's fakeclaim and subsequent votes, was to claim mason.

So she wasn't trying to save a mason, she's simply lying.

[NJAC]

would like to hear this reassess on the entire game though.

Hey everyone!

Can you please order these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

I need andante's flip to reassess on this entire game so I can't really answer that well

there was a second person who stated something like this too...need to find.

Kowah.

I'm also waiting the reassessments.

[NJAC]

@

Everyone

:

Can you please order (again if you already did) these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Sheep, Sky}

[NJAC]

BTW, from those six who didn't vote Kitty on D1, these four also voted Andante on D2:

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Sky}

I bet there are two scum there.

[NJAC]

Just vote out sky

I already did.

That doesn't mean we should stop scumhunting.

[NJAC]

@Gimli:

Please answer 3692.

[NJAC]

On another note: I will scumread those who want to end the day phase fast.

[NJAC]

@

Everyone

:

Can you please order (again if you already did) these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Sheep, Sky}

Sheep
Sky
Malcolm
Gif
Venmar
Enchant

Why are Venmar and Enchant town?

[NJAC]

NJAC....
I think this time around, I would like to see YOU answer this first (if you havent already)

I'm having a hard time deciding who is scum on those six, but I think there are two scum in that group. That's why I insist in having everyone's reads on them. Gun to my head I would say is:

Scum
Sky
Enchant
Sheep
GIF
Malcolm
Venmar
Town

However, considering that neither Malcolm nor Sheep voted Andante on D2, I'm reevaluating.

Also why isnt Hu on this list.

3071

The list is formed by those who didn't vote Kitty at the end of D1, minus Greeting's slot. That's why Hu is not on that list.

[NJAC]

However, considering that neither Malcolm nor Sheep voted Andante on D2, I'm reevaluating.

generally there are usually scum off-wagon too ya know

I know. I'm not saying the contrary.

[NJAC]

Spoiler:

西游朽

vote count 3.2 !

Skygazer (4):

sheepsaysmeep, NJAC, Hu Tao, Gimli

Bub Bidderskins (2):

furtiveglance, Save The Dragons

sheepsaysmeep (1):

Venmar

MalcolmTucker (1):

Enchant

curiouskarmadog (1):

Bub Bidderskins

not voting (5):

curiouskarmadog, MalcolmTucker, Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Skygazer

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to place someone under noncitizen's arrest. day 3 ends in (expired on 2023-05-01 23:16:17)

moderateur notes

• gimli & kowabungah are vla for the weekend

2 conftown on a wagon everyone else ignores...probably sums up mafia as a concept better than anything else

Can you please summarize the case on Bub?

[NJAC]

Yes. He said I was his townread day 1

He said that today though?

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@NJAC

I am curious, where are you on Hu?

Leaning town.

But that's not the reason to not be included in the list. I repeat: the list is formed by those who didn't vote Kitty at the end of D1.

[NJAC]

@

Everyone

:

Can you please order (again if you already did) these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Sheep, Sky}

general issue with this listing....it ignores Hu and Bub, which are high on my list atm.

Malcom/Venmar...Enchant...Sky/Sheep...GIF?

I would really have to go back and deep dive all 6, so this is just an off the cuff thought.

My question to you. Other than getting a time stamp of what people's thoughts were, is this actually helpful? for me, I am guessing and lack the time to reread all my notes. like as Im typing this, I want to change it.

Malcom/Venmar...Enchant...Sky.....Sheep...GIF?

Like I just remembered the whole Sky incident where she was either trying to trap scum or fish for PRs....but the sheep slot has done jack shit this game....which is scummier? man I dont know.

I think it's helpful. Thanks for answering.

[NJAC]

CKD vs Bub could be town vs town, but in the case of scum vs town I see Bub as the scum and CKD as town.

CKD can go to my town pile.

[NJAC]

Malcolm defending CKD also gains some townie points, btw.

[NJAC]

Is that slot cursed?

Seems so. Sigh.

[NJAC]

[Post]3806[/post]

3806

Let me read it again.

[NJAC]

Okay. We can lim Bub if that's what Masons want.

Anyone disagree?

[NJAC]

I iso'd Malcolm and found him pretty wolfy btw but I suppose I should look at Bub before writing about that

I'm interested in that, I'm still undecided about Malcolm.

[NJAC]

Furtive

Can you summarize in your own words why you think bub is scummy

Kowah

Are you caught up

Bub

If ckd was off the table who would you do

Venmar

Bub has more votes now, how interested are you in the wagon

Njac

How do you feel about Bub it sounds like you're just going along with it because masons. Who would you prefer to do today?

I'm fine with limming Bub but I'd rather lim someone in {Sheep, Sky, GIF, Enchant}. Even Malcolm or Venmar could be good choices.

[NJAC]

Hi

Anything I need to know before I attempt to read 160 pages?

There are very likely two scum in {Sky, sheep, Enchant, Venmar, Malcolm, GIF}. They didn't vote scumKitty at the end of day 1, and I am almost sure that AT MOST one scum bussed Kitty.

[NJAC]

ofhrz seems townie. I have my doubts with Bub but I remember reading that slot as town at some point.

[NJAC]

If Bub is town, I think sheep is scum, given the approach to the hammer. Enchant is town in that scenario.

[NJAC]

If Bub is town, I think sheep is scum, given the approach to the hammer. Enchant is town in that scenario.

really? if BUB was town, and it pretty much if a for gone conclusion he will be the lynch today, would EnchantScum try to garner some town cred?

arent you curious WHY he unvoted? Why just assume that is a town move? If you are curious, why didnt you ask a follow up question?

Enchant is a troll, he rarely answers questions properly. I think his unvote is town motivated.

[NJAC]

i mean, I like the hammer.

but to say his unvote was town motivated AFTER he said he just wanted to hammer.

I was curious what your stance was on the hammer.

Yeah, with the hammer, and if Bub flips town, maybe Enchant goes back to null.

[NJAC]

Also, did someone claim JK?

I haven't read much of the game yet.

You should read the game. Did you get something from the night?

[NJAC]

@Doctor Drew:

Why did you ignore my 4123?

[NJAC]

Don't worry guys, STD left me the masterplan.

Apparently we poll everyone: Sheep or Malcolm for today

Awesome! I'm in for both, actually, but let me do some ISOs here and there and I'll pick one.

[NJAC]

Yeah, I like bbp's posts. So I think sheep's slot could be town. Therefore Malcolm is my choice:

VOTE: Malcolm

[NJAC]

Malcolm focusing on his defense rather than scumhunt makes him more scummy in my eyes.

[NJAC]

I'm voting on sheep yeah

VOTE: Sheepsaymeep

Could you please explain why?

[NJAC]

Do we know/have a good guess at how many remaining scum there are?

That info is in the opening post of the game. There are two remaining scum.

[NJAC]

it could always be a bastard game

Bastard is not normal.

[NJAC]

I agree with Hu's 4231 and Drew's 4246, Malcolm is probably a better lim.

[NJAC]

Hmmm

Shame on the doubters

Okay Captain. If necessary I can hammer sheep. Count on me!

[NJAC]

We have time. Sheep asked for time. I want to hear his last reads before hammering.

[NJAC]

INTENT TO HAMMER

@sheep: claim!

[NJAC]

If sheep is telling the truth, then Sky is almost confirmed scum.

[NJAC]

If sheep is telling the truth, then Sky is almost confirmed scum.

Explain your reasoning

I don't think that Sky was protected by Town, or that sheep was blocked by Town. If sheep indeed shot Sky and she survived, it's because she has some protection or was protected by her partner. It may also be the case that Mafia blocked sheep, but I doubt it.

[NJAC]

Can you claim btw?

Is this addressed to me?

If so, why do you want me to claim?

[NJAC]

NJAC has also said they didnt believe the claim.....

but I think this information would be helpful at this point

I didn't say I don't believe the claim. I'm still assimilating the info.

[NJAC]

Can someone with enough time please do a summary of players with claimed/flipped roles until now?

[NJAC]

Also, did someone claim JK?

I haven't read much of the game yet.

You should read the game. Did you get something from the night?

Didn't see it when I made the post, then there was a page top.

Yes I had a lovely visit from you.

I missed this today.

so what are the nights this has been a thing?

Last night

annnd...we have 3 nights. We are missing one.

Night 2 I targeted GIF, but I assume I was probably blocked because GIF didn't say anything about my visit.

[NJAC]

day 1: kittytacky was a mafia bulletproof 1-shot follower
day 2: andante was a vanilla townie
night 2: flavor leaf was a vanilla townie
day 3: bub bidderskins was a mafia informed goon
night 3: save the dragons was a town mason

curiouskarmadog - ascetic?
MalcolmTucker - vt
Kowahbunga
Venmar
ofrhz - vt
furtiveglance - mason
Doctor Drew - 1s bodyguard
Skygazer
sheepsaysmeep - n3 vig
Hu Tao
NJAC - loud?
Enchant

Thanks ofrhz.

Can you please complement this with the actions we know so far, especially with the actions of the JK?

[NJAC]

Also, did someone claim JK?

I haven't read much of the game yet.

You should read the game. Did you get something from the night?

Didn't see it when I made the post, then there was a page top.

Yes I had a lovely visit from you.

I missed this today.

so what are the nights this has been a thing?

Last night

annnd...we have 3 nights. We are missing one.

Night 2 I targeted GIF, but I assume I was probably blocked because GIF didn't say anything about my visit.

Oh sorry, no GIF was visited on N2 by you. Sorry I kinda wasn't sure if you wanted your entire actions revealed.

So, you confirm that I visited your slot during N2, and you get notified of my visit, right?

[NJAC]

If no one is going to dispute or add to this:

N3 vig btw, shot at Skygazer, didn't work

assuming some town just blocked me after that day lol idk

I think Sky should claim.

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day 1: kittytacky was a mafia bulletproof 1-shot follower
day 2: andante was a vanilla townie
night 2: flavor leaf was a vanilla townie
day 3: bub bidderskins was a mafia informed goon
night 3: save the dragons was a town mason

curiouskarmadog - ascetic?
MalcolmTucker - VT
Kowahbunga
Venmar
ofrhz - VT
furtiveglance - mason
Doctor Drew - 1s bodyguard
Skygazer
sheepsaysmeep - n3 vig
Hu Tao - VT
NJAC - loud?
Enchant

Actually I think I agree that Sky should claim.

[NJAC]

:thonking:

maybe std was the vig shot and sheep tried to nk me

That still doesn't explain how you survived, if you were targetted.

I'm cool with any of Malcolm, Sheep, Sky. Is there any reason Sky can't be another 1-shot bp scum?

There's no reason for that. I confirmed with the mod that it's possible to have more than one player with the same role.

[NJAC]

We're not limming an uncounterclaimed vig.

[NJAC]

OGI is like the wrong word but its def kinda angle-shooty

What does OGI mean?

[NJAC]

Can someone with enough time please remember me who has been JKed until now and in what night?

[NJAC]

Thanks for modding schadd! Awesome game!

Great job Town, specially STD.

[NJAC]

Also FL did a great job! Furtive too by continuing the work of STD. And Town in general did very good.

[NJAC]

I just read the scum PT. So I indeed stopped the N1 kill, how likely is that? LOL.

I would have pushed Venmar more if it wasn't because Greeting said he was JKed, so I thought the no kill was due to Greeting being protected, but it could also be the case that Venmar was the nk target.

I also asked many questions to the Mod to confirm that it was possible to have two JKs in the game, so I decided it was better not to reveal my role so soon. As I said my flip would give the full scenario to the Town, cause everyone would know who was JKed by me, and make their conclusions.

[NJAC]

Hu Tao also did great, BTW.