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[Hu Tao]

im sorry

im here to stop this madness

No I'm sorry you have to replace into this. I'm assuming you're town based on slot

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao, join me on Andante.

Skygazer wagon ain't happening.

No. After the point where it was me and Adante as the only 2 wagons and they started AtEing I looked through their games until i could find a scum game and they were very non chalant and nothing like here. So that's why I believe their AtE. Unless you can find me a game where she is scum and is acting somewhat similar to here?

[Hu Tao]

alright not andante

hu tao, i like your vibes. who do you wanna flip?

Sky. It seems like regardless of scum or town they would be acting the way they are acting so it seems weird people are using it as a town defense only here. Unless you have experience with this?

[Hu Tao]

If adante acts like this as scum top I'm fine eliminating them today but would require at least a proof of game

[Hu Tao]

i think she is being EXTREMELY combative here

i dont think she replicates this well as mafia

Who do you want gone?

[Hu Tao]

like we've had this day 1 all over the place, get a freakin fade that's been in the thick of it.

it's simple.

Not my fault people wasted most of day 1 scumreading me when I'm clearly town

[Hu Tao]

i think she is being EXTREMELY combative here

i dont think she replicates this well as mafia

Who do you want gone?

what do you think of bbp/eira?

I'd be fine with them eliminated. Idk if we can get the votes though

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: eiralox

[Hu Tao]

im super sorry for my attitude right now, but i think it's important that i commentate my thoughts and feelings.

No worries and I'm mostly voting for bbp slot content obviously

[Hu Tao]

I just want to end the day really

[Hu Tao]

Flipping a claimed VT vs hopping wagons to get more claims out D1

I'd rather flip scum than town so

[Hu Tao]

If you're going to move away from Eira then I'm going back to sky

VOTE: sky

[Hu Tao]

If Dante flips scum then you guys can all dog pile on me tomorrow about being wrong, but my gut says that's not the case and I don't want to intentionally vote someone I think is town

[Hu Tao]

Also if eira flips scum eventually remember who was soft defending that wagon when it started up

[Hu Tao]

If Dante flips scum then you guys can all dog pile on me tomorrow about being wrong, but my gut says that's not the case and I don't want to intentionally vote someone I think is town

honestly, if he flips scum, you're more likely town.

if he flips town, i'd be more scared of getting doggie piled if i were you.

Never scared. In case today was not an example of that

[Hu Tao]

I think they are town based on tone. And the scum game I saw from them was nothing like this

[Hu Tao]

I just want to end the day really

If I had a nickel everytime somebody complained about wanting to end the day while taking actions that prolong the day, I'd be a rich man.

Funny considering that's what you did for the past week and a half

[Hu Tao]

I think they are town based on tone. And the scum game I saw from them was nothing like this

This sounds like an AI generated response.

Beep boop

[Hu Tao]

Scum likely don't want an Andante flip if Andante is town, by the way. So people off Andante wagon probably has more scum than those on.

This is literally dumb logic I'm sorry. So scum don't want town or scum andante flipped is basically what you're saying

[Hu Tao]

Flavor explaining why killing town helps killing mafia:

It's so funny and bad

[Hu Tao]

also, I'm def thinking Eira is frozen scum hoping day ends before they have to talk...

Let's go eira

[Hu Tao]

viewtopic.php?p=13172924#p13172924

Oh damn. I was wrong that we were scum TOGETHER

But I was right that I had seen Andante scum before.

And you know what’s funny, I was already able to successfully scum read them before, and called them out for aggressively manipulating gamestate and misrepping.

I believe I even got Night killed in that game.

My meta credit is better than I thought it was.

Hmm yeah this is way different than the game I read. They even complained about being scumread for their play here too

[Hu Tao]

There is no way that we spawned 13 pages between me going to work this morning and coming back

Some of you guys really need to touch grass. I ain’t reading these pages.

We get it. You're scum, you're safe for today though unfortunately

[Hu Tao]

Flavor explaining why killing town helps killing mafia:

It's so funny and bad

This actually still has me laughing good work

[Hu Tao]

FL I want to make it clear I don't scumread you, I just don't agree with your logic on things. I'm not as against a andante vote as I was before. Still think they are town though

[Hu Tao]

I'll check in at about 12 hours from now. Goodnight

[Hu Tao]

I forgot how jaded I get playing games after 9 years of being on site. Add up my 2 main accounts, I might have the highest post count of all time. Not sure if that's correct, though. stoned thoughts.

is this a job interview, why you giving us a resume?

People on this site are so funny. This is hilarious

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: greeting

lets flip him???????

I hope this has legs at the end of my catch up

[Hu Tao]

yeah, Gimli scum lol

Hard disagree

[Hu Tao]

if Skygazer were scum, they just claim PR, and people move off of it anyways, and scramble.

Your active choice to not see the future of some of the actions you're picking is scum indicative.

Not everyone claims pr as scum. Some people pretend not to care as what sky is doing

[Hu Tao]

I think Hu Tao can go to my town pile.

@Hu Tao: what's your experience with Mafia games?

Why?

I liked his response to the pressure.

Bub explained it better in 118.

This also answers Hu Tao's 109.

What about

Hu Tao

's response to pressure did you like? This slot has spent more energy being on the defensive than doing actual scumhunting. Seems to be quite comfortable sitting on the

curiouskarmadog

wagon, which appears to be a cozy place to be for the time being.

this is filler questioning. clearly, bub has a good point about how hu tao responded to pressure on his slot. njac is making reference to that, and further questioning is like leading the conversation to a socratic dialogue where all leans we can possibly have will fail to further scrutiny. and then greeting attaches with the further empty questioning a line or two of shading hu tao, but it's weak and feels like just putting a narrative out there.

Exactly!

Thanks for noting it. I think you can go to my town pile. And I insist on what I said earlier: Greeting is scum.

Whenever I tried to get a greeting wagon going no one joined so I have small hopes. Day 2 for sure though

[Hu Tao]

remember whoever was townreading flavor leaf cause he wasn't trying to control every goddamn narrative in game? yeah whoever you are, better scratch that read lmao

I'll reevaluate overnight and iso but I don't know if I think he's scum tbfh

[Hu Tao]

I don't want claims.

@Skygazer - Claim.

if you say so....

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Greeting

Power through this, let's finish this off.

No claim necessary.

Please let this have more votes at the end

[Hu Tao]

Skygazer
Andante
Venmar
Kowahbunga
GIF
Bub Bidderskins

Hu Tao
NJAC
curiouskarmadog
MalcolmTucker
Greeting
Eiralox
STD

Enchant

KittyTacky
Gimli

No order within tiers, but roughly this is where I'm at. I don't expect the top tier to be completely pure by any means. I expect at least 1 scum in the bottom 3, and then the rest in the middle tier.

Yikes. I'll actually look into kitty overnight and iso too. They've been coasting I feel like

[Hu Tao]

I claim Town Mason.

Oh boy is there a scum Mason on this site?

[Hu Tao]

I claim Town Mason.

Who should we lim then?

Skygazer

.

Interesting okay

[Hu Tao]

IF YOU ARE TOWN, DO NOT VOTE SKYGAZER. PLEASE

It's sky or you. And you're overdoing it right now. It makes me seem like it's fake

[Hu Tao]

I hate how much Gimli is flipping votes... I think I see why people SR me for doing it

LOL, you are finally making some sense.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: kitty

Wait maybe I won't have to look into kitty tomorrow

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: kitty

I'm definitely fine with kitty gone. I feel like a lot of the posting has helped me sort people

[Hu Tao]

How many votes is that? Also this game has been very enjoyable for me the past few days, very funny posting

[Hu Tao]

I think it's e-1 or hammer not sure

[Hu Tao]

Clean wagon yesterday. And good start today

[Hu Tao]

Hopefully we have a result or something. I'm going to bed though. Just caught this opening at the right time. I'll check in about 10 hours?

[Hu Tao]

KittyTacky (9): Flavor Leaf, Gimli, NJAC, Andante, Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

NJAC and Andante feel cleanest on this wagon. (imo, i'm easily cleanest here, but that's for you guys to decide.)

I imagine a scum or 2 bussed here tbh, at least one just to try and get cred.

Hu Tao not looking too good right now.

Yeah okay dude

[Hu Tao]

I got visited by an announcing Jailkeeper tonight. Not sure why they would want to visit a Mason, but okay.

We had no kill. Why would you claim this..... it's clear the jail keep saved you. Now you made it easier for scum to know what happened

[Hu Tao]

I got visited by an announcing Jailkeeper tonight. Not sure why they would want to visit a Mason, but okay.

This is why this is weird for me. You're a claimed Mason, meaning you don't really mind getting roleblocked, and you were the only claimed PR.

We also had a No Kill.

I think this makes sense that you would be targeted by a Jailkeeper. This indicates that the JK is town.

Agreed

[Hu Tao]

Greeting should HC his partner today

No he shouldn't. He's clear by jailkeep. He doesn't need to. Assuming he can be jail kept again he can stay alive

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao or Enchant are my main focuses for the day. Gimli can get it too, but I think Hu Tao and Enchant are in a tier of their own under Gimli now.

Literally 3 terrible votes

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: GIF

for now

Bad vote, I think they are town. What do you think of Malcom?

[Hu Tao]

I'm not reading fl's posts today unless they're short btw

Damn good idea

Agreed good plan

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I'm gonna go here. The Skygazer wagon from Day 1 is super scummy. Super good wagonomics coming our way.

I'm in celebration mode still for that sick Day 1.

Yeah okay bro

[Hu Tao]

FL my issue with you just declaring as much towncred as you are and it looks like you’re gonna repeat what you did yesterday with this death tunnel, is that as soon as I claimed VT, you were done with it… there were plenty of chances before my claim that would’ve been a good chance to unvote, but as soon as i claimed VT? “ok new wagon time” is essentially what happened. Enchant and Hu Tao are 2 people I never want voted out d2

I think we just ignore FL tbh. Hopefully he's town like I think he is. But if he's scum he'll be outed eventually

[Hu Tao]

did greeting claim mason with anyone? i wanna do that thing where u make the votes different colors

Nope. Don't think he needs to tbh. There has been no other claim to be responsible for the no kill so we believe the jail keep

[Hu Tao]

did greeting claim mason with anyone? i wanna do that thing where u make the votes different colors

I wanna quote this just to say greeting has to out his mason partner at this point

after all greeting WAS jailed and there was no NK and I don't think the scum team would ever kill greeting so things are suspicious rn. we need a full claim.

pedit: I don't think the jailkeeper saved greeting, unless they saved greeting from a town vigilante.

Unless there is a counterclaim imo he doesn't. We don't need to give scum more info

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: GIF

for now

Bad vote, I think they are town. What do you think of Malcom?

I don't really know. I'm gonna need a few days to parse out slots like malcolm. didn't read kitty for spew either atm.

You're my biggest townread. I think there is 0 chance you're scum so leaning on you for help here. Can you tell me thoughts on bub? Thought he was scummy yesterday and maybe he bussed at the end

[Hu Tao]

hu tao are you the user black? you're using the same avi character as black and has similar ugh vibes

Nope. This is my first full game on the site. I come from epicmafia if you're familiar with that old site

[Hu Tao]

bub is hard town imo

Why??

[Hu Tao]

I'll sheep the CKD case.

VOTE: CKD

do you have any other thoughts about the game so far

Pretty sure you and Bub are both town.

Though my read on you is... tenuous af and is basically null.

How do you go from “pretty sure” to “tenuous”? In the span of 2 posts?

this interaction, I'll argue, is +town for kowah, bub and bbp. seems like tmi pretty sureing on townies that are towning, and then gets caught on horribad progression by kowah, which means kowah is a townie playing good mafia cause your scumbro ain't murder you like this early

it doesn't look like the things I'm describing but that's my impression of what they mean.

I agree with Kowah being town at the very least

[Hu Tao]

I seriously only see the same 5 voices talking.. this game is not going to work if it's 5 of us versus 12 lurkers.. like sorry, but just.. if we think about that math for 1 second... I don't even care if you only have 1 read on 1 person right now, like, who is your BEST GUESS for scum? like, I don't care if that answer is me. I would LOVE to start hearing voices. like, if you ignore the wagons, could have all of us sheep you, who would you full send this on?
I WANNA HEAR YALL OUT!!!!

plz

Kowah is pretty scummy imo.

But it's actually even harder than usual for me to read the game when more than half of players just don't exist.

this “end day before useless fluff” post is kinda like… feels like this standard textbook thing to say… like, this game has no one posting, just yesterday I went from a no poster to active, so like.. hmm I’m interested in your kowah sr reasons!!

and yeah I fully agree with you on that one

I don't like Kowah's Greeting push. It just feels very bad faith to twist Greeting's wording like that.

I'm honestly pretty sold on kowa being kitty's partner, it's so much "kowa scum!!!" and this? we know greeting is conf town, but this feels like going after partner for a bad push...

VOTE: Kowabungah

Hard disagree

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: venmar

I can vibe with this

[Hu Tao]

kawa/venmar is like two players who played in the same slot the same way: doing a bunch of commentary that's hard to read or engage and its mostly filler

I think that's where we pressure today!

VOTE: venmar

Glad you're both looking into venmar. I'll likely vote there at the end of the catchup

[Hu Tao]

Just got caught up.

Flip basically clears Andante/FL unless one of them is operating at 9000 IQ. The kitty wagon came out of nowhere -- no way scum starts a wagon on their bud in that way. Also makes me think Gimli is likely town.

Probably 1...maybe 2 scum at the end of the wagon? Decent chance that one of these:

Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

Is scum. Kowah stated earlier that they would hammer on anybody and followed through here, I know I'm town of course but I can see why people would think me getting on that wagon at that time looks like a bus. That leaves CKD and Hu as likely bussers. Andante being more or less confirmed town in my mind makes me lean scum on CKD because the original scum case on them was based on a suspicious push on Andante. Hu's another one in a likely scum spot.

But I think the most likely scum are those off the wagon who were hanging around at the time. This implicates Malcom, Enchant, and Skygazer. Venmar didn't get on the wagon but wasn't posting -- worth pressuring there in case it was selective lurking. Eira has never been around, and ballpoint was at least somewhat suspicious early D1. I think we need to pressure that slot to get some activity from it.

For now, VOTE: Hu

God awful reads

[Hu Tao]

HA!

bub is hard town imo

I can reassess on bub and

I don't remember much of his posting now,

other than I liked the way he was pushing carmadog and bbp early. I also felt when doing a proper re-read of the game,

you went from hard town to I dont remember much of his posting. That was a quick pivot. Also which part of the push on me did you like exactly? Like the part where he said I wasnt scum hunting and conveniently leaving out the posts where I was doing just that.

Curious what are you doing. We aren't voting gimli today. Any other reads?

[Hu Tao]

Kitty and Kowabungha have anti partner vibes based on Kitty's posting, I feel

Agreed. Kitty was desperate for kowah's approval

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao pairing up with Kitty a bit here, and calling out Andante as either scum or bad stands out. Notice how Andante was starting to call Hu Tao scum here.

This has been a pattern for Hu Tao this game. When someone hints at the possibility of them being scum, they starts going 'bad' 'terrible'. I've caught out scum before for the exact same kind of thing. It's Emotional Conditioning, a spray bottle to the bad cat.

And then, if someone is doing what they like, they double down, and pair up.

A wrong vote is not a bad vote. A wrong read is not a bad read. Wrong votes and reads can lead to trajectories that can be understood to help create genuine feeling and cases on people.

Softclaiming a vague power-role is absolutely the scummiest possible reaction to building pressure.

At this point I'm locked in on the CKD wagon.

Agreed. I think Glitch's reaction to it was VERY strange though. Do you agree? He quickly tried to town cast him and go after people on the wagon. While il not sure if that makes curious town or scum still I think Glitch's reaction was worse

What? That's def scummy. Either defending a scumbuddy or defending a townie for town points.

Finally someone who sees it

why the fuck are we still talking about the pr claim
JUST LET IT RESOLVE
like i don't understand why we are assigning the pr claim as any alignment really, because its practically doable for town or scum and regardless we want to avoid giving scum more information if possible

Chill out. I was clearly catching up

like, this was their 2nd to last post. so uhhh what did you learn from catching up? cause before this it's just random comments on posts.
I seriously feel like this is scum, and I'm pretty certain I'll be dead locked onto this thought.

cause sure "town falls behind too!!" there is NOTHING in this ISO that I feel like is lost town, this is 100% scum who didn't care too much since suspicion wasn't there, flying under the radar, will not commit to a read that isn't already said in thread, because they want to fly under the radar.

You're either scum or so bad. oh my god. All my posts were at the same time. I was catching up at once. I log in when I'm not working and read and reply to what I've missed. Not everyone can sit for an hour refreshing a mafia game.

VOTE: Glitch

I'd be shocked if this isn't mafia

We went through this day 1, we aren't doing this again. Be more productive and look into others. What do you think of Malcom and venmar? Individually

[Hu Tao]

more like hu town amirite

[Hu Tao]

The Pissant Posse (Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao) is not clean however. I think probably exactly 1 scum in them. I currently think it's Hu Tao.

I'm not sure I get your focus on us 3. Especially gimli and I. I would like your focus elsewhere. Instead of the 2 people most people seem to townread now

[Hu Tao]

Greeting should HC his partner today

That’s a terrible idea.

I’m kinda on Gimli’s side for this one.

You might actually be scum

[Hu Tao]

outting masons is bad ya

flavor being first on the kitty wagon is honestly the main thing keeping me from voting him tbh

"lets not push people to claim guys"

*pushes to out PRs*

anyways until anything indicates otherwise i think we just treat greeting as always town

i think jailkeep is indicative of a save here and claiming mason + being announcing jailkept is such a weird scum play this early on, like that sort of fakeclaim would crumble so easily that if greeting is scum its bound to happen so why worry when its more likely greeting is just town

i'm aware and i'm still weighing that

i'm also just trying to avoid a 1v1 with flavor bc i don't think i win that

This is the most content you've posted all game. Why now?

[Hu Tao]

@Malcolm/Bub/Venmar - I haven’t interacted with you 3 directly that much either, but I have been generally vibing with you 3.

@Venmar - While I have been vibing, i think the pressure on you here is fine, and I’m interested in seeing you in this position still.

Looks like you answered before I asked

[Hu Tao]

also the hu scum reads popping up... I honestly thought we all agreed on hu town day 1??? hu went through hell with me, I'm protecting them here. we can yeet FL before hu tao here..
but I wanna yeet kowa!!

I don't see myself ever voting Kowah today

[Hu Tao]

Шэь рукую

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@

MOD

: This shouldn't be allowed, please take action.

It's a keyboard layout mistake ya doofus. Notice the amount of letters and the юs where the .s would be.

Don't see njac as partners with kitty cause of this

[Hu Tao]

also the hu scum reads popping up... I honestly thought we all agreed on hu town day 1??? hu went through hell with me, I'm protecting them here. we can yeet FL before hu tao here..
but I wanna yeet kowa!!

I don't see myself ever voting Kowah today

why

I just see them as town as of the moment and I feel there are people I'm way more willing to vote

[Hu Tao]

Guy is likely town so I'm not voting that either anyone else?

[Hu Tao]

I forgot eiralox was in this game. I'll read that slot tomorrow. Goodnight

[Hu Tao]

Also I'm not voting venmar at the moment cause i want to give them a 2nd look and I think we can solve way more things today.

[Hu Tao]

thats fine

I played with scum and town kawaii, I think this was his scumgame. I think the fast replace could also be AI for the slot. I think venmar's posts are noticeably not towny for someone that wrote so much.

What do you think of sky's posts today? Why do you think they are different than yesterday

[Hu Tao]

I still think outing is bad. Unless there is a cc for the reason there is no night kill then we believe the claim. I believe it so far

[Hu Tao]

hu why are you so focused on me suddenly deciding to play the game?

if i was still lurking i'd bet you'd complain about that too

Because it seems like scum that realizes how far behind they are now and actually has to try

[Hu Tao]

Unpopular opinion, Greeting outing masonry makes sense because high chance of vig existance and vigs love to shoot masons for some reason.

Well we just have to hope the vig doesn't shoot badly

[Hu Tao]

I don't think we should out something just in the event there is a vig, seems silly.

[Hu Tao]

We don't need to rush this day

[Hu Tao]

Truth is that NJAC visited me last night with a loud action and honestly that's all I know about that :shrug:

the fact you instantly outed that is was NJAC... instead of just "LOUD PERSON VISITED ME!!!" what if it was a doc? like, if NJAC is town, you literally just told scum that NJAC is a doc/cop...
so honestly, for that reason alone, I kinda just want to
VOTE: Venmar

Yeah that was a very VERY bad move Venmar.

[Hu Tao]

I think we shouldn't rush this on venmar still. Could be town but not sure. Eiralox getting replaced? Or?

[Hu Tao]

Actually. Hmm, maybe we go venmar. Sorry still thinking things out

[Hu Tao]

I'm not sure on venmar I kind of believe them

I agree that scum venmar probably just tells scum buddies they were visited

I think venmar is still possibly scum. Who are your other scumreads?

[Hu Tao]

If I saw my townread visited me I would not out it

[Hu Tao]

Also i think we wait for an Eira replacement and not just vote it out right now. Not rushing yesterday led to a clean day and night.

[Hu Tao]

NJAC still want Venmar gone? What are your other reads?

[Hu Tao]

Because people seem set on wanting to eliminate eira before they posted

[Hu Tao]

I think more important than her reads or progressions on players is how andante fought off her wagon with an energy and consistency that's hardly fitting with her scumrange. she felt genuine sounding throughout being the game's top wagon and is almost never scum as a result of that. I'll die on that hill tbh.

I should be asleep.

tbh I don't have good scumreads other than venmar, but I trust my venmar scumread to a certain level and I'll push for that flip over hu tao who's very likely a townie for sure.

Yes I agree with this

[Hu Tao]

Eh, it's good enough to drop Andante down a tier in my town reads. I think that makes a lot of sense from a potential ScumAndante perspective.

nahhh you’re scum who realized we’re gonna lim your partner Eira, and we’re close to the other, and half the town wants you dead… you need more options on the table

Can we wait for eira to get a replacement at least?

[Hu Tao]

NJAC still want Venmar gone? What are your other reads?

Yes. I'm still working on that. I would focus on those who didn't vote kitty yesterday. Malcolm could be scum, I think.

Okay once eira gets a replacement and can talk a bit ill join venmar wagon.

[Hu Tao]

There is a lot to gather from today in my opinion. How long do we usually have to wait for someone to be replaced? It's been like a week since they posted...

[Hu Tao]

I think we had enough tvt between the two of you on D1

More venmar votes pls

Pedit: let's not flip eira today? His nonposting isn't AI, it's literally sitewide.

Pedit 2: okay

What do you think of the wagon on me? Besides venmar I mean FL and Bub. Do you really still hard tr Bub? Is it just from early game catchup? Cause I agree he was town early on but fell off hard

[Hu Tao]

MY READS

Hard Town

: Highly likely town. Doubt I ever go back on any of these reads.

Kowahbunga
Gimli /

Cephrir

Greeting
NJAC

Light Town

: Slight town reads that could be wrong but think they are town by play yesterday

GuyInFreezer /

Brickwalll

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Andante
Save The Dragons
Enchant /

Glitch

Flavor Leaf /

Dionysus

Null

: Given me one reason or another to not want them today, but not giving them more than this rating

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer

Unsure/Lurker/Replace

: Self explanatory. Want a replacement for this before I move up or down.

Eiralox /

ballpointpen

Scummy

: Given one or more reason to make me think they are scummy

Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker

Scum

: Highly likely scum

Venmar /

KawaiiKame

[Hu Tao]

Not ready to move off Hu Tao, though, I keep going back and forth. Wanna see a dueling wagon with Venmar and Hu Tao, though.

The fact that you can put me in the same wagon right now as venmar is the reason people don't town read you

[Hu Tao]

@hu: I think they're looking at tiny evidence from interactions you had with kitty that looked kinda weak from both sides, instead of looking at the big picture of how you behaved throughout D1. I think it's a little lazy but not necessarily scummy. I'm not agreeing with much of what FL is posting in this game but at this point I don't really think he can be scum. And I'm still vibing with bub, they're both hard town barking up the wrong tree imo.

That's fair. I'm fine with neither of them today of course

[Hu Tao]

Why am I so low?

MY READS

Hard Town

: Highly likely town. Doubt I ever go back on any of these reads.

Kowahbunga
Gimli /

Cephrir

Greeting
NJAC

Light Town

: Slight town reads that could be wrong but think they are town by play yesterday

GuyInFreezer /

Brickwalll

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Andante
Save The Dragons
Enchant /

Glitch

Flavor Leaf /

Dionysus

Null

: Given me one reason or another to not want them today, but not giving them more than this rating

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer

Unsure/Lurker/Replace

: Self explanatory. Want a replacement for this before I move up or down.

Eiralox /

ballpointpen

Scummy

: Given one or more reason to make me think they are scummy

Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker

Scum

: Highly likely scum

Venmar /

KawaiiKame

Why not? And you're not even that low

[Hu Tao]

Hu tao might be an option for me today… I feel like Hu only put me that low because they think people might go back to voting me…

POV: Can't read

[Hu Tao]

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Enchant /

Glitch

Wait why i am here

Should I have you lower?

[Hu Tao]

andante's posts are making me scumread her pretty heavily tbh

Shay changed? She seems the same as yesterday.

[Hu Tao]

What* not shay

[Hu Tao]

andante's posts are making me scumread her pretty heavily tbh

Gimli is no way town here… you do not go from being convinced im town to all this pivoting to “yeah i’m gonna vote her!!” like vote me if you sr me. none of this “yeah!! yall lead this charge!!! I support!!”

You're just scumreading everyone. But I've been here before. I can relate. I don't think you should be the vote today regardless.

[Hu Tao]

Honestly, Andante just reflexively attacking absolutely anybody who dares to attack her is way scummier than anything else she's done all game. Above everything else Andante's motivations can best be explained by self-preservation more than anything...which is very scummy.

Disagree

[Hu Tao]

Andante (4): Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar

+ enchant

That wagon just.. lmaooo ok.. rock solid TRs on them... Like, I have a level of SR on literally all 5 of these people

I kind of trust this entire wagon, tbh.

Hu Tao is obv town at this point, imo.

Hu Tao is so obv scum at this point...

do people still wanna do enchant/glitch? cause enchant is not town here lol

you know what, if Andante ends up being traitor, this could be the team idk. Not sure on anyone else confidently besides Andante here

Wait is there a traitor in this setup???

[Hu Tao]

schadd doesnt run games with traitors, its in his ruleset

Good. I hate traitors. Also in my experience on other sites it's said separately from mafia.

[Hu Tao]

I think we are getting distracted by Andante being combative, which isn't a bad thing, just personality

[Hu Tao]

sheepsaysmeep replaces Eiralox.

replacing Greeting.

Everyone is being replaced. Is this common on this site?

[Hu Tao]

I still think venmar is the play here for a vote. Gimli do you really think andante is scum here?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: venmar

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao went from 'not sure on Venmar' to 'this is the right play for the day' without having any sort of explanation for that trajectory. It's purely responsive imo.

That's a lie. I've always wanted venmar since yesterday.

[Hu Tao]

Hey everyone!

Can you please order these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Eira, Sky}

Venmar, Enchant, Sky, Eira, Malcolm, GIF

GIF shouldn't even be on here tbh

[Hu Tao]

Venmar, Malcolm, Eira, Sky, Enchant, GIF

FIXED

I just realized I did the list backwards in the middle sorry

[Hu Tao]

I can't articulate it yet, but I don't like Curious last like 5-10 posts.

It almost feels like they want to come across as disagreeing about Andante, but only so that they can be seen changing their mind.

He's only had like 1 decent post all game. Rest have been terrible. But no one wanted him

[Hu Tao]

If there is a vig, trust me and shoot in this block of people tonight

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer
Sheep
Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker
Venmar

[Hu Tao]

NJAC I'm just going to be blunt. Do you have some sort of guilty on venmar or no?

[Hu Tao]

Actually I think curious might be town sadly. But I'm not sold on that read yet

[Hu Tao]

If there is a vig, trust me and shoot in this block of people tonight

Skygazer
Sheep
Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker
Venmar

Updated. Shoot in there.

[Hu Tao]

Also the more I read back on Hu and Andante I feel like one has to be scum and one has to be town

Posts like this ping me as setting up one after the other votes

I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard

So you think as scum I'd try to get vote off town in your scenario to another town? Cause you said me and adante can't be scum together already

Definitely not the fact that this day has gone on for an eternity and you and Hu (the person you kept telling me to te) are trying to pointlessly derail to skygazer atm, or am i the clown rn

I'm confused. Do you think adante is town or scum. Cause you stated that you think one of us is scum and you're voting her yet still posting that you think I'm scum with Ceph [which is hilarious btw]

If people want a Venmar wagon I'm more than happy to do that. Actually would prefer that. Venmar's posting defense or Sky seems like scum defending a Townie for no reason. He hasn't given a good reason for the defense either. But I could be overthinking. Thoughts?

I'm a sucker for AtE. I don't want Ceph. I think their spouse would be able to tell of they are faking it. Unless they are scum together but I don't think Dragons is scum.

I think sky is still the best vote and I think Venmar has been quite scummy in the last few pages

I think Ceph and Hu might be scum together, those skygazer votes stink hard

This post in particular seems bad. Because he already stated 1 scum in me and adante and he's still voting adante and still pushing Ceph after this. Also I just think Ceph and my interactions from even early game should show we likely aren't aligned but that's my bias opinion from me knowing I'm town I guess.

I'm a sucker for AtE. I don't want Ceph. I think their spouse would be able to tell of they are faking it. Unless they are scum together but I don't think Dragons is scum.

I think sky is still the best vote and I think Venmar has been quite scummy in the last few pages

Would scum nonchalantly do the exact same thing she got wagoned for before?

Yeah I'm kinda seeing that. What's your thoughts on venmar?

VOTE: venmar

New train is leaving the station. All aboard

Vote Venmar then. I would prefer that over sky I think

I see no reason for this wagon on NJAC to have been dropped. Nothing has fundamentally changed about their play since it first formed, they remain fairly quiet and cautious in their play in a way I find believable in scum, and I don't think all that many people have particularly moved their read on the slot? That it was so close to working out and yet seems to have faded away seems suspicious to me, don't like it at all.

The vote on Skygazer isn't great either given that wagon has sort of popped up out of nowhere.

VOTE: NJAC

That vote isn't happening today. What do you think about venmar though?

I'm fine with sky but I still think venmar is scum

Flavor what are your thoughts on venmar

@flavor you saying you iso'd me and I never scumread venmar day 1 is a lie. Your posts keep getting more suspicious

[Hu Tao]

I really don't like this goading of the vigilante. I don't know if it's all that AI....but it's bad firm in a way I can't articulate.

I'm worried vig will shoot wrong based on how today is going. Who knows if we have a vig or if they will listen to me. But I'd rather shoot in the block than shoot terribly wrong

[Hu Tao]

Reasons are in the quotes

[Hu Tao]

I'm actually surprised flavor died here

[Hu Tao]

Why do people townread venmar again

[Hu Tao]

aight UNVOTE:

reaction test over

VOTE: sky

Fishing obvious town.

[Hu Tao]

By the way.

Ask this question: What benefit Sky has from this blunder as mafia.

Fishing PRs?

[Hu Tao]

Sky needs to be out of this game. Please vote them

[Hu Tao]

Just vote out sky

[Hu Tao]

@

Everyone

:

Can you please order (again if you already did) these six players from the scummiest to the least scummy?

{Enchant, Venmar, GIF, Malcolm, Sheep, Sky}

NJAC....
I think this time around, I would like to see YOU answer this first (if you havent already)

Also why isnt Hu on this list.

I am trying to figure out the FL kill. other than being obv town, there are other claimed roles here. Also there is this.

Gimli
Kowahbunga
Venmar

curiouskarmadog
Bub Bidderskins

MalcolmTucker
Skygazer
NJAC
GuyInFreezer

STD
Enchant
Sheep

Hu Tao

Andante

This is my lean town group.

I really do think it's just the bottom 2 then 1 in those 6. I don't think it's GIF/Bub, Curious is being super genuine imo, so I think they're just completely misguided town. Skygazer/Malcolm/NJAC I all lean town on, but I could technically make a partner case for all of them. These wouldn't be dealt with til later with more flips, and frankly, I probably won't be around by this time anyways, so it's for the rest of yall to look into.

Because I'm clearly town. Njac or adante would have been day 1 Elim if I didn't fight for a different vote out

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: gimli

ya i think im good sitting here a minute

Bad vote

[Hu Tao]

Yes. He said I was his townread day 1

[Hu Tao]

hu tao can u talk abt GiF?

I've given up my Town read on GIF. Back to null

[Hu Tao]

Gimli votes are bad. Can we remove sky

[Hu Tao]

Sad gimli replaced. He was fun

[Hu Tao]

I'm fine with either bub or sky

[Hu Tao]

Vote sky then

[Hu Tao]

Just vote anyone at this point

VOTE: bub

[Hu Tao]

Please.. just hammer someone.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: venmar

[Hu Tao]

Malcom sky or venmar for me

[Hu Tao]

also why did scum have someone who was bulletproof?!?!

No clue, vig could be holding I guess

[Hu Tao]

I'm town reading Curious pretty heavily right now.

What do people think about Bub voting for Hu Tao FIVE different times? Like that makes me want to town read that slot too because, a random vote here or there seems fine, but to hop on/create a wagon against a teammate 5 times seems unlikely.

From the ISO of bub, I'd really like to see a Malcolm flip.

I've been town since day 1

[Hu Tao]

I'm OK with Malcom I guess

[Hu Tao]

E-1?

[Hu Tao]

It begins

Hello everyone

So right off the bat I'm somewhat suspicious of both Kawaii and Hu Tao here. This is admitedly somewhat weak because the game just started, but both of these posts are really fluffy, non-commital and not progressing the game. Now, is this progressing the game more than a random vote? I dunno, but the reason why "random" votes are a thing is to create an initial paper trail of some sort...they aren't really random, so it immediately puts the scum in a bit of a pick of whether or not to bus. So far, these posts are just the most flimsy, "hey I'm here but not actually advancing the game" kind of posts.

I'm, going to go ahead and VOTE: Hu Tao


Mainly because it was another post right after a fluff post by Kawaii. Kind of reads as scum thinking "okay, need to say something now to not look suspicious" while being non-comittal.

Also going to put a

finger of suspicion on Kawaii

for similar sorts of reasons, but I think it's very unlikely that both Kawaii and Hu are scum. No way a scum comes in right after their buddy to make an almost identical post.

let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Meow wow I caught page 1!

VOTE: ballpointpen for breaking in my backpack and spilling ink over my physics textbook.

how the fuck could you possibly break me without actually trying
besides, im erasable. big difference.

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

there's a distinction between AI and wifom. even if you do believe everything that has been posted has some sort of motivation, it might just be irrelevant because there's an equal chance that the user posted it as town or scum, which is exactly what those two posts are: there's nothing distinct about posting "hi" for either alignment, making the alignment read a massive stretch.

Cephrir reads as pretty town to me. His posts basically amount to "chill out" which doesn't seem like something scum would say.

In my mind, scum would want to sort of half-assedly back a wagon without really putting themselves out there. Kind of blatantly saying "chill out" like Cephrir did just doesn't read to me as the sort of thing that would occur to scum to do.

now i think you're just imposing your "example" of the scum player to judge others, and as it turns out, most scum aren't frozen half-assed lurkers because of playstyle discrepancies and that will definitely screw up your reads at some point
powerwolfing is a bit of myth though dont @ me

I don't see these as scum interactions with scum. So I won't be voting sheep. Can we vote venmar or Malcom

[Hu Tao]

There is confirmed to be 2 scum left

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: malcom

[Hu Tao]

Let's go Malcom or venmar please

[Hu Tao]

Guess we wait for someone to confirm

[Hu Tao]

There is no one ccing vig. So I say we don't vote sheep here. And we vote elsewhere. IF there is another vig they can shoot sheep. So no need to vote via claim. That's silly

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

I forgot who you are

Oh no! Anyway...

[Hu Tao]

People who aren't voting Malcom. Why?

[Hu Tao]

No one has cc vig. We don't vote it. If there is a vig they should just cc cause there is only 2 scum left

[Hu Tao]

I'm VT if we are claiming

[Hu Tao]

Can we just vote Malcom already.. this game js dragging

[Hu Tao]

Finally

[Hu Tao]

So. There was no night kill the night NJAC kept Venmar... Not sure why he wasn't gone ages ago.

VOTE: venmar

[Hu Tao]

Umm. If we aren't going venmar then I guess star

VOTE: Star

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Sky not star

[Hu Tao]

Umm. If we aren't going venmar then I guess star

VOTE: Star

Why are you ignoring the 1 conftown

Look at me

Being conf town doesn't mean you're right

[Hu Tao]

Announcing jk would not target Mason if they were scum. Please be serious

[Hu Tao]

oh yeah no one else besides furtive slot claimed to have been visited

this is why i think furtive is a deep wolf

[Hu Tao]

Why did scum kill curious? That's so funny

[Hu Tao]

Did anyone get visited by jailkeeper?

VOTE: Venmar

If he's not visited by jk or jk this is my vote

[Hu Tao]

also if no one claims announcing JK today, I'm going to assume Venmar is town

why is that

He was jailkept by NJAC N1 and therefore couldn't have visited Greeting

I don't get it. Can you explain?

[Hu Tao]

Oh I understand you're still thinking scum jk would visit Mason? That's silly. JK is probably just hiding. It lines up as to why curious was killed and not furt. They are scared of the JK. So if Venmar was not Jailed last night or is jail keeper we vote him out today

[Hu Tao]

i guess furtive can be town since this supposed announcing jailkeeper actually exists

[Hu Tao]

Jailer should jailkeep me tomorrow so I can be clear. I think venmar should have been the jail keep target last night since he's been scummy for a long time. But whatever, we vote venmar today imo

[Hu Tao]

Venmar are you jail keeper y/n?

[Hu Tao]

hu tao looking townier? they were the only one to vote me yesterday and i think that scum would wanna distance from sheep

I only voted you cause no one wanted venmar for some reason

[Hu Tao]

For me Hu Tao is clear Jailkeeper.

I hardclaim VT

[Hu Tao]

actually can an ascetic even be strongmanned? i might just be entirely clear

If scum had a strongman they would have done the kill n1 right?

[Hu Tao]

yes

Why did you lie to me?

I think it's clear one of these 2 is jailkeeper. And I think we should make it ambiguous as to which one. We should just vote Venmar and end the day. Make it harder for scum to choose.

[Hu Tao]

I'm curious as to what role scum has left. Because 2 jailkeepers seem strong for town. If jailkeeper is scum they played the n1 masterfully ngl.

[Hu Tao]

Umm. I guess I'd be okay with Drew too. But prefer venmar. Only reason I put GIF as town before was because I thought he was Mason.

[Hu Tao]

After Greeting was Mason. He was the only one defending him day 1

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: drew

I don't like the BP claim anymore.

I would also vote ofrhz still as I could see that Gimli reaction still being scum.

So I'd go for either of these two today.

Why only know don't you like it?

Are you having a stroke?

Jeez, one typo lol

*Why only now

I liked it when Sheep was a vig. But now that they're not the vig, I don't think I see a need for your role. So it makes me less confident in it.

I am 1-shot, which GIF already used.......I am named townie now basically.

Why are you acting like I had a super strong role?

Because I'm an idiot and thought it was 1-shot bulletproof.

UNVOTE: Drew

VOTE: ofrhz I'll go here

That slot is never scum. Try elsewhere

[Hu Tao]

For me Hu Tao is clear Jailkeeper.

I hardclaim VT

This is scummy

Oh no. Anyway

[Hu Tao]

I think Venmar or Dr Drew should be the only votes today. Anything else is silly. I don't really care which.

[Hu Tao]

MY READS

Hard Town

: Highly likely town. Doubt I ever go back on any of these reads.

Kowahbunga
Gimli /

Cephrir

Greeting
NJAC

Light Town

: Slight town reads that could be wrong but think they are town by play yesterday

GuyInFreezer /

Brickwalll

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Andante
Save The Dragons
Enchant /

Glitch

Flavor Leaf /

Dionysus

Null

: Given me one reason or another to not want them today, but not giving them more than this rating

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer

Unsure/Lurker/Replace

: Self explanatory. Want a replacement for this before I move up or down.

Eiralox /

ballpointpen

Scummy

: Given one or more reason to make me think they are scummy

Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker

Scum

: Highly likely scum

Venmar /

KawaiiKame

My read list at this point wow.

[Hu Tao]

GGs all. Was fun. 10/10 would play again.

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao also did great, BTW.

Thanks! You too. Good jail n1