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hi team this is kinda a busy week but I w ill try to start from the beginning

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lol the playstyle of this game is very different from anything ive recently encountered

very nervous for my read accuracy

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yes I like u ur games are cool

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[post] tags around the post number create a link to the post, ppl should use them btw

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uh page 12 or so
im not gonna update super often cuz I tend to think like only my fully caught up page-120 reads are valid/worth presenting, I just also like to show where my mind has been

malcom is like, very very villagery to me tbh, ive just liked all his thoughts

I do think bub is also very villager. I honestly hated his opening and if we both continue to be alive and im reevaluating that'll keep bugging me more and more lol. but he won me over fairly drastically I think, he's just clearly thinking so hard about the game (basically overthinking) that it's impressive->most often villager, and I really really vibe with the push on curious

kow has an exchange on page 7 that looked rly good; was otherwise wolf reading him. viewtopic.php?p=13708167&sid=3e937e745c ... #p13708167 from here. I think if kow were wolf, then kow thinks he can genuinely get greeting killed. so KT coming in and just being like "nah shit push" would be like, just unconducive and mean lmao

freezer felt a little villagery. just vibes

curious I agree is almost overwhelmingly wolfy. except his tone is so town. I think, gun to my head, I would honestly let that towny tone override wolfy content.

I liked some of ceph overall, tho I think wolfy if play continued to feel like this, like it's too uninvolved-commentary in a wolfy way

also greeting is pretty wolfy I think. =eye on him, or whatever the term was

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EBWOP for kow, the exchange looked very good in context of it being with the flipped wolf

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will be nice having people who are around at this time lol

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oh ya would someone be willing to brief me on any mechanics stuff thats happened so far

not sure if thats the right move or I should catch up with an less-informed lens but wtv

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ah wow interesting thank u

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slight prodge, I have sadly been reading slower than desired + personal things arose and dont get a ton better over the next week

around pg 40

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have been slightly skimming over new posts and FL has already complimented me as a player like 3 times, if I didnt find him towny I would be hard pocketed anyway

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FL I think my worldview is currently growing kinda different from urs lol sorry

how much is based on stuff ive read so far / are there any main posts I should direct attention to

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when ppl say andante ATE is nai, is that the specific definition as a self-defense tactic, or is that general emotion

im feeling her overall emotions so far to be real, like genuine investment in her reads, genuinely wanting to see the changes in the game that she wants etc

does the meta say anything about that

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actually wait im feeling andante wolf now

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actually wait im feeling andante wolf now

I guess I just dont rly believe her reads are legit conclusions

suddenly like these 2 ppl are lock wolf, then suddenly these other ppl are the wolves (rly rly simplistically), for in my view flimsy reasons

the last game I played with her feels very contrasting, like she sort of took a process of a few posts/thoughts to conclude that I was wolf. and then she flipped on me fairly easily after I made a good post. doesnt share the projected tonal confidence here.

if this isnt right I blame the current thread for confbiasing me

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page 100 btw but absolutely no clue what to think I miss flavor leaf

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everyone is so confusing rn with this way of skimming bruh

even like Gimli might be my top town but I really wolfread cephrir

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VOTE: skygazer

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I think STD and skygazer are like opposite examples of absentees, in what ive read

STD I actually think is villager p firmly lmao. like I don't like dedicating a lot of words to this reasoning. But he has like truly not even 1% will to try to appear villagery. He genuinely doesn't care about that. u get what I mean right

Skygazer, reading her posts I just feel a contrast to what I think about STD. like ostensibly, she doesn’t gaf how people view her, but I get way more the vibe that she is performing. generally taking a lot of 1-liners to get to something or pseudo-fluff “will ISO soon”. “ISO’ing now.”

e.g. The thing I just read, she was like, “I want to do the thing where you color vote counts pls,” then colored every vote count so far, which was only like 2/17 names of useful insight (didn’t even color herself/townreads which is common from people who believe that process is useful). busywork
That sequence was actually like 80% of my vote lol

yea

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actually wait im feeling andante wolf now

I guess I just dont rly believe her reads are legit conclusions

suddenly like these 2 ppl are lock wolf, then suddenly these other ppl are the wolves (rly rly simplistically), for in my view flimsy reasons

the last game I played with her feels very contrasting, like she sort of took a process of a few posts/thoughts to conclude that I was wolf. and then she flipped on me fairly easily after I made a good post. doesnt share the projected tonal confidence here.

if this isnt right I blame the current thread for confbiasing me

When looking at a couple of Sheep's posts above I don't like this. They admit they're not really feeling Andante, then suddenly they are, then they feel the need to give a relatively weak explanation for it which contradicts the initial read, perhaps because Sheep may have realised it was advantageous to vote out Andante after all. I don't know, part of me thinks the progression would come from town more willing to admit they've changed their mind but given my views on the slot when Ballpoint was playing I don't like it. Too beneficial for scum Sheep to vote out Andante.

ehh im in class but 2 things off the top of my head

-andante was 1000% dying yesterday with or without me + i could already tell that was the case, so circumstantially this is just not right
Was mostly just thinking to myself

-even if I thought anandate was town I would vote them because I was like 95% there on flavor town and I think by principle I would let him kill who he wants while I’m not fully caught up lol

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Oh man something is happening but I don’t have time rn how do I exit not wolfily

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I feel things but I have to go in like 10 minutes but I'll try to talk quickly

I think I still stand pretty firmly on skygazer wolf

I think the gambit is actually exactly in line with what I was saying about skygazer right before. their whole game is insanely performative. They had already pulled gambits, like reaction testing flavor leaf, that had absolutely no meaningful effect. so I think it's like, very straightforward to conclude they think just doing gambits is something that looks towny and lean to that as a habit. lots of posts that follow like "I should start solving," still no solving (something I had also already described was wolfy before the claim)
the wolf motivations (putting on a performance to seem villagery, drawing out claims) are way way way greater in magnitude than the town motivations (hard for me to see/empathize with rn)
I also feel good about. if skygazer is indeed wolf then Gimli is obv cleared


also ckd is another person who has been on my radar all game so it like feels a bit good to see them gaining attention in modern time

I'd like to direct the quick question to ckd about what is the intention of posting your catch-up notes in thread? like u talk a lot about how town should be questioning the why behind stuff. not a dig I just have seen multiple times the big wall and dont get what the benefit is (besides to appear villager) for others to see those notes, which seem primarily just like an informational summary of what has happened that is just for yourself

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lmaooo

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ive had lots of life stuff

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I'd almost prefer u talk about the everyone else cuz I feel pretty opposite, like too many nulls and wish more were firmly townreadable

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this game is too difficult I shouldve stuck with fort nite

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is there any site function to like bookmark specific posts or not really

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I actually despise this

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ur all too deep logical thinkers in a way thats too unreadable

im used to just gut and vibes it's much nicer

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im kinda turning on Malcolm he got more wolfy

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STD if I were able to try to ISO some people, who would be a priority to assess iyo

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game is hard tho man

it feels like ur reasoning about me is just like "poe"? doesnt rly feel appropriate for a "strong reads" list or when ur not townreading many others

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STD if I were able to try to ISO some people, who would be a priority to assess iyo

Hu tao, Malcolm, Bub, Venmar

Ok hu tao. lean villa

I came in like biased toward him as strong town from my catch-up. I think what I liked about him was reinforced. like the non-appeasingness, both in terms of his takes and tonally, I think is just town doing his own thing. not scared of ppl responding negatively to his thoughts

the ISO process did make me more paranoid tho, like I now sorta see what some ppl didnt like about him. I think I could always tell like, 5 or 6 people he found wolfy and town reads harder to discern, which I think is more wolf than villa. I could never discern an overarching perspective on the game until he made a readlist in 2838, and I was able to mildly see him being a wolf and trying to make a readlist and realizing "this doesnt realistically hold" and bumping a couple people up from wolf zone

I also can see something I think FL also didnt like about the way he tries to enact the wagons he wants (was wrt Venmar specifically). like he seems very discontent at EoD1. but when FL wanted andante gone, each next post was like a new round of reasonin, which was very villager; wheaeas hu tao is a more stagnant repeating "this is wolf. please vote this," and I could see it being not genuine

so kinda from town core to like oh wow I could rly see this being wolf. but I like his vibe too much to consider rn. still would say town

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hu tao can u talk abt GiF?

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also STD just checking, the good point bbp made about Bub is the one thats in like his first couple posts right, not something I couldnt find from mid-game

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ah yeah meh

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I see

can u talk abt why it was tho

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Won't even lie about it. I'm way behind and just ctrl-f'd my way through all the pages I haven't read. I'm back from VLA and will insert myself here at this point in the game.

Did anyone else claim anything other than the 1SBG claim at start of the day?

yes

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3404

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and keep reading for few pages after

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I'll admit I thought about this for like 10 minutes but it think it's a little hard to believe that you truly think he outright failed like that

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kinda like the greeting slip

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like I was writing out a wall to explain the logic behind why I think it doesnt condemn Gimli

but just like

do u rly think he wouldnt be able to Not do that response as wolf, if that were a matter of right vs wrong

it's not a live in-person reaction, he's able to stop and think "hmm, to VT me this would be a clear fake" or whatever idk

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I iso'd Malcolm and found him pretty wolfy btw but I suppose I should look at Bub before writing about that

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optimistically think this sky/bub could easily be w/w, just in terms of theyre both somewhat around but dont seem eager to fight for the other one to be the one who's killed

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eh thats rly simplistic tho like I have no clue what their stances are on each other

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im firmly set on bub town and i think the game state is indicative we're t/t

can u talk much more about this

like what does thinking it's t/t make u think about the different players pushing u two?

and why does the game state indicate that

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ok wait lowkey I townread bub ISO

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my read on bub when I was catching up progressed from "start of game hella wolfy" -> fine I admit this is obvtown

but I think the early concerns are all sort of resolved in my mind

-for example, STD pointed out the cherrypicking "hi's" in the first few posts. but I think he addressed that pretty satisfactorily with both "it was a timing thing" + "that was deliberately bs-ed to get the game started"

-Hu tao had called his reads too inflexible/rigid and I had agreed agreed. But upon reread I think his reads are like more dynamic out of the ISO's I've read so far, for example hu tao flips from wolf -> town -> back to wolf - he's clearly constantly thinking hard about the game

-I thought his reads were opportunistically moving with whatever the thread thought. But towards the EoD1 theyre actually quite consistent. Wants CKD + Hu tao and reluctant to do other options until he finally caves to "let's just kill someone"

-For some reason I remember thinking some of his logic was just bad/faulty in a wolfy way but now I really like it and think he has W takes. he has this sort of logic about lurkers that's solid and well-applied "general lurking isn't necessarily wolfy, but some ppl are more actively lurking or more agenda-d lurking. The pure inactive lurkers, like NJAC, I would be more reluctant to push." I like how rly-consistently he employs that type of thinking for like a whole net of reads. Also his reasons for pummeling CKD are exactly what I also dislike about CKD.

im still only like halfway thru I'll try to get through the end and see if anything changes

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bro needs to come back tho he's just gone

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@bub if u have the time can u re-evaluate sky or star or whichever it is as a potential option for today? as far as ive seen you've just ruled it out because of the way pressure formed on them, but imo thats just not strong enough + their actual posting has been consistently firmly wolfy

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that was mainly from mid-D1 lol I think overall hes been midtown theres just better options

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bah

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can u try to convince me then idk

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I'm just frustrated by everyone's bizarre unwilliningness to wagon Kitty after a string of just blatantly scummy behavior. I dunno, maybe I'm so deep in the tunnel here with confirmation bias or the game has passed me by, but just seems like Kitty is 2x or 3x more likely to be scum than basically every other reasonable suspect combined.

Am I misunderstanding your post here or is there another kitty in this game?

ckd I think tbw

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Like whom

Malcolm/sky but I agree bub kinda has to happen at this point lol I’ll just be kinda miffed if it’s town

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Ahhhhhh

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Venmar u don't like Malcolm too right?

sky how do u feel about him?

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Ahhhhhhh

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Sky u have Malcolm as wolfy right

so say it were possible, then based on what you've said ur vote has to be ours

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I'll read his ISO again

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ahhhhhhhh

killing sky is better tho

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ok so i've thought about it and i'm outting

i'm a traffic analyst and gimli is able to communicate. with the masonry i'd normally hide this but after rereading greeting and gimli i don't really see them as masons together.

so gimli is prob scum (or a neighbor or mailman or something but probably just scum)

VOTE: gimli

Believe your claim, but I'm crap at these mechanics, can you explain how Gimli being able to communicate makes them look scummy? Is the argument essentially that they'd have to be mason in this scenario and you don't reckon that's the case?

i dont have any of that stuff

sky im gonna flip your lame ass fakeclaims again

Why would Sky fakeclaim solely to eliminate you if you turned out to be town?

aight UNVOTE:

reaction test over

wat

not w/w? only one or the other right

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A fuck

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It feels wrong can someone be the first to move

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He basically

Says everything

Such that in effect he says nothing

-sky sus but hard defends sky
-andante eh or at least like explicitly not villagery, hard defends andante
-calls d1 ckd claim villagery.. then asks for hardclaim

Stuff like this for many slots that means no meaningful assertions are made despite big large posts (bad volume to concrete stuff ratio)

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VOTE: Malcolm

idk im sorry bub is rly villagery to me man

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Why is the Bub wagon not going through

Because Gimli got replaced and his predecessor is now townreading Bub!

to be fair Gimli was also townreading bub lol

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mehhhhhhhh

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I would be fine hammering yeah

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even if it's town I guess it's protown for std to be like, not leashed by not having the flip wtv

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weh

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am feeling pretty lazy

I guess need to look through venmar at some point

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np Doctor Drew

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how much have u read

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Don't worry guys, STD left me the masterplan.

Apparently we poll everyone: Sheep or Malcolm for today

oh thats interesting

did he say anything detailed about venmar or just chose not to include him

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i still want to nuke Malcolm but I feel like theres the potential that his stuff with bub was too non w/w, pending reread

I do feel like either Bub was hard bussing or his potential counter wagons (sky + arguably Malcolm?) were wolf, given the way it feels like he sorta gave up

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.-.

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i wanna do one of those green and red votecount thingies again soon

ur so wolfy bro

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oh ok

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bleh I have more work I was interested in doing before asserting something, im just very lazy this week

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Very rough overview

furtive is town
I like u ofhrz as town
hu tao is fine
enchant is fine
NJAC is fine

kowah has mildly pinged me but I think all my town reads have confidently liked him
venmar I have no clue, I think kawaii was one of the wolfiest posters in the game but venmar has seemed mildly-good when ive noticed him but I have yet to look in depth at the cases against him, still in progress
ckd I also do not know
dr drew ive found like ever-mildly wolfy that I could talk about

Malcolm is pretty wolfy + I think his recent pop-in was pretty bad
sky is pretty bad

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Ehh ok tru I remember wanting to give u townpoints for that lmao

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It was just a couple things from the game but I’m saying overall I think ur lilely villa anyway

Like tbf literally skygazer was also voting Malcolm over me earlier I’m just very confused and know it’s not very accurate yet lmao

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Oh wow e1 lol I Request some time pls

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kowah what happened to Gimli-slot + sky should be dimmed by principle? would u still prefer those over like, Malcolm

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VOTE: Malcolm

so wolfy man

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ehhhhhh I sorta like venmar

@hu tao can u try to persuade me abt him?

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I like his take on ofrhz push on me
ofhrz focusing on like "sheep has a couple days to stop being lazy" in order to transition on my wagon felt pretty opportunistic when >50% of the game right now feels much lazier than they did before today
and Venmar describes how it feels rly well

plus the fact that Venmar wants me so dead but criticizes ofrhz's movement onto me I think is ever slightly a good look. like, if he was wolf I think he's more likely to just let support accumulate and be happy about it because im so His-agenda-rn and just want the day to be over

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Let's make sure that town controls this vote.

ur posting so much like a politician this game lmfaoo

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Malcolm who are the wolves

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he says Malcolm/Sky doesn't make sense as a team (and he said this at the end of yesterDay too), but then where does he go from there?

this BTw I also think is sorta unfair. meaningfully factoring in pre-flip associatives into reads is just kinda goofy, just start small and kill the wolfiest players

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furtive do u have any thoughts on venmar? I think his ISO is actually pretty villagery but I remember everyone disliking him but Im too lazy to go find why

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KawaiiKame was like the wolfiest person to post in this game tho and I think maybe because of that he should never endgame lmao

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I still want skygazer dead the most bruh

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I think theyre really good at coming in and posting a villagery sequence that's likable in terms of tone or like indecisiveness and stuff

but theres 0 meaningful reason in terms of content to liek the slot

it's like how I wolfed before hiatus

plus they look bad with bub. like way worse than me defending bub, because literally neither of them were particularly into Living if it was over the other

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meh

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N3 vig btw, shot at Skygazer, didn't work

assuming some town just blocked me after that day lol idk

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Also sheep, why do you think that MalcomScum, hasnt hammered you yet?

I mean he's very clearly focused overall on his self image rn

like every pop-in being dedicated almost entirely to defense

I think referencing some intent to hammer but being scared of actually doing it fits with wolf who is still busy reaching their goal of looking better

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yea idk man I didnt get visited by jailkeeper either

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lmao I feel like those are just poor conclusions

personally

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delay in claiming because tbh the threat of being bammed hadn't actually felt super tangible yet + last night, I was sleeping

and I dont think what mafia are worried about rn is a potential vig lol I think their situation will be graver than that

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part of being demotivated today was like being a little miffed that the kill didn't work lol

but also im sort of complacent

I think theres 10000% going to be a wolf on me, based on my experience with late-game pushes on me

and I think in terms of the way everyone latched onto me, you're going to find it in like Sky/kowahbunga

dr drew I had found him wolfy earlier but he grew on me and I think the way he's parked on me is villagery

the way venmar pushed me is villagery to me. and like, I think he pushed Bub in a similar way and after experiencing that way of pushing I dont think a wolf partner would do it to a wolf partner.

furtive is villager

enchant is inexplicably villager, I feel like he's thinking hard. like doing random things but they dont feel random but they don't feel agenda'd in any way

kowahbungah on me is pure OMGUS -> seemingly confident in a very BS way
-Prefers voting Malcolm over me
-textbook OMGUS "sheep calling me wolfy in some ways is ridiculous"
-"Let's just hammer sheep now"

sky "sheeping mason" is actually a less wolfy way of voting me but far wolfier individual slot

My worldview is like Malcolm/kowah/sky like STrongly strongly guarantees a wolf in order for this game to make sense, and easy to go from there; idk if I can get myself to go more precise than that

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if there were truly 0 town killing we're being tortured lmaoooooo

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do u really think that

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I feel like if u did a concrete thing that was pro-town

beyond being like tonally good and stuff.

like end the day voting someone who flips wolf

or like motivate a surge in the game's activity

then that would logically negate a lot of the reasons that I strongly feel that make u wolf

but that doesnt really exist

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I think what youre doing is actually playing a great wolfgame like somehow everyone thinks youre town

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like basically i dont think it would be possible to do so many pro-wolf actions out in the open + become widely townread if not being like, a wolf whose main focus/motivation is to be towny

I see in lots of ur sequences of posting like just someone who is good at villagery vibes when they want to + try to

I feel like this standing in the game doesnt naturally exist otherwise

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"pending reread"

Man really is a vig but didn't reread after bub flip?

Also he vigged sky but not Malcolm? Malcolm would make more sense w his reads

the answer to both of these BTW is that ive always thought sky is way wolfier than anyone including Malcolm and im kinda disappointed in myself if it legit didnt come across that way

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+ Bub flip strongly re-inforces w!Sky in a way so blatant no one needs to go back and check

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ahhhhhhhh

killing sky is better tho

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ahhhhhh I am on V/LA for a while like through Thursday but I will try to still contribute

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Early I skimmed reallyyyyyyyy quickly and a brief summary of what I thought from the skim was

-sort of reluctant to vote venmar
-sky might actually be town, I actually think I find kowah pretty wolfy and moreso than sky
-ckd from wolf to town

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sheep
furtive is town
enchant is just town I think
ckd I would call town just based on like bub/kitty voting patterns onto ckd in early d1. there's a specific votecount I could quote if people need it

that's what I would call a towncore


HuTao - villagery d1/d2 and I think now he's like twtbw lol like not even trying to seem villagery. But could easily see him being wolf at this point so Idk he's below the above bar and needs re-evaluation sometime
venmar - I just rly like his posting relative to others in this game lmao. I do think the n1 actions are a Bad look lol, personally if I were wolf I would not kill the claimed mason. but it doesnt make a firm guilty to me. Also, I feel like Bub Budderskins would carry the kill there over venmar? Also whatever stopped my kill could easilyyy have stopped the n1 kill lol. hopefully theres more info later-game to better sort this.
ofhrz - I sorta see what ckd is saying but I rly liked Gimli + when ofrhz subbed in I felt he was thinking similarly to me so I wouldnt vote there today

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kowah sky

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i mean with two scum left i dont put myself into the position id be in by claiming vt bc that forces a 1v1 that i'm liable to just lose. i'd claim like BP or something bc that looks somewhat townier w a scum BP already flipped.

what are the possibilities for sheep being a vig and failing a shot?

- i got doctored (lol no)
- sheep was jailkept and missed the loud/announcing PM (unlikely)
- i got jailkept and schadd never PMd me (very unlikely)
- i got rolestopped/aliened (unlikely since we're already aware of two jailkeepers)
- sheep got roleblocked (unlikely w two jailkeepers)
- sheep is disloyal (in which case they wouldve cleared me by now)

ok the more I think about this it's kinda frustrating and I think ur strong wolf again

like ur adding a bunch of stuff that obviously didnt happen to make it seem more valid. sheep missed a PM, obviously not what the explanation is. I missed a PM, obviously not what the explanation is. sheep is disloyal and just didn't claim that, obviously isnt what happened bruh. that's half ur list which is too much of a BS effort to seem credible

the only way to approach this would be a very General logic. like "no way there exist any more power roles in this game for the mafia or for the town." but I dont think that sort of analysis is possible at this stage

I think that it's just like, not actually hard to imagine an explanation lol. there are infinite possible explanations technically. maybe they have some cool JOAT, 1-shot role cop, 1-shot rb, whatever. maybe the announcing JK is mafia and targeted the mason N1 to have a villagery claim later. If sky is mafia then obv there are obv additional realistic explanations. just the fact that it's technically totally feasibly possible invalidates a lot of the logics against me.

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I think ur hella wolfy bru lmao it's not the fps thing at all for me

tho like some people pretended the FPS fakeclaim meant u needed to die and then later pretended that doest exist

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like

skygazer has flip flopped on whether my claim is villager or wolf 18 different times

wolf, no actually it's villager, nah it's wolf, it's villager, within a sequence of 10 posts in a row that are all skygazer's

it's impossible for someone to genuinely think all that to a degree thats meaningful enough to share

instead it's someone who thinks "visibly flip flopping in thread is a villagery thing to do"

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Idk, u get why I think that post is wolf-intentioned

I think there are a handful of mechanical explanations that are like “yeah I guess that could have happened”

I feel like we can be like 1000% sure that it’s not missed PMs or aspects of roles or stuff, I can double check or my inbox if u want

I feel like coming up with that sort of stuff is to be like “look how unlikely the possible explanations for sheep!town are!”
Or just it’s theatrical-thinking to me, to me a mistake for sure just isn’t going to be what suddenly resolves all confusion

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or I just dont really get the authentic motivation

and it aligns with what I think about flipping back-and-forth for the sake of it

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L

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ok wait I'll talk about kowah maybe if I have enough time Rn

what do you think about him

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what do u think is the is the possible explanation u were docced

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Bro im just busy

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yeah fps = fancy player syndrome = the fakeclaim

Doesnt imply anything it just describes fakeclaims the way im used to

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Good game / thanks for hosting, glad to have subbed in was fun

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final scum team guess
Bub
Sheep
one of {Venmar/GIF}

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we could reach page 200