Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[OhGodMyLife]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Vote: George Carlin

FoS: Yosarian2

before he can start manipualting me

[OhGodMyLife]

Oddly enough, I agree with BM. GC undermined his own argument in the process of writing it.

Yeah, but is that actually scummy?

The flaw in his reasoning could have been an honest mistake, but there's also a good possibility it wasn't (its very easy for scum to jump on a standard anti town tell such as voting no lynch), and its light years better than a random vote. The random voting stage does exactly zero for forward momentum.

[OhGodMyLife]

His join date is November 2008 though...are you really truly thinking nub scum or are you stirring the pot? He didn't really sound like a true nub to me.

Level of noobness had nothing to do with it. This isn't the road to rome, we don't have to mollycoddle anybody here.

But I like how you're practically coaching him into playing the newb card to defend himself.

[OhGodMyLife]

Cancelled flight, 20 hours in the Cairo airport... gimme a day to recuperate.

[OhGodMyLife]

BM, that comment about Shanba and Yos "buddying up" and not meeting expectations is a real stretch. I really don't see anything that you could be construing as buddying up.

[OhGodMyLife]

Let me take a closer look at what happened in the past 24 hours, but I think you're still grasping at straws with this whole buddying thing.

Also, dear god people, stop the quote walls.

[OhGodMyLife]

Responding to prod.

Anything to add to that, or should you just be policy lynched right now?

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

[OhGodMyLife]

Mod(s), the vote count has an error, as I am most certainly not self voting.

[OhGodMyLife]

Hoopla seems to be avoiding saying anything, letting the bigger dogs fight over the debate he supposedly purposefully started, which is something I really don't like.

This is a very astute comment.

However, I really don't like the way Sens is basically playing five pages behind and picking up only scattered information from whats going on in real time.

Also, lurking will not be tolerated for much longer.

[OhGodMyLife]

This squabble is boring me too. Can we talk more about how Sir Tornado is scum and needs a bigger bandwagon?

[OhGodMyLife]

I always wondered how your post count was so astronomically high, BM. Now I know.

This sudden tag team going on between CKD and BM is an interesting development.

[OhGodMyLife]

KoC, hate to be a nudge, but Sir T isn't voting himself, Shanba is.

[OhGodMyLife]

Yos, hurry up and put your money where your mouth is before you start looking scummy.

[OhGodMyLife]

Yos, hurry up and put your money where your mouth is before you start looking scummy.

Why are you rushing him? Why would his lack of a vote on SirT at this juncture be scummy?

It doesn't have to be Sir T if he doesn't think Sir T warrants a vote, but I get a bad feeling when someone sits back and doesn't vote at all.

Why did you feel the need to make note of my comment, but not Shanba's similar post?

[OhGodMyLife]

i am supremely disturbed by yos' lurkerhunt

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm not protecting lurkers, I already found scum, and thats more important.

[OhGodMyLife]

^^^ Now THERE'S a lurker who warrants some real pressure

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

This bandwagon has some legs.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm not protecting lurkers, I already found scum, and thats more important.

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

This bandwagon has some legs.

Before hand you were very adamant and confident that you had found scum and you vote was where you wanted it on Sir Tornado but as soon as a bandwagon comes along you seem to totally forget about your previous convictions and jump on said bandwagon. Why the sudden change of heart?

I didn't forget any previous convictions, but the sir t wagon doesn't, it seems, have any legs, and I like having my vote somewhere that it does some good.

Criticising me for joining the bandwagon

you

are on makes me think you might already know its a bad wagon.

[OhGodMyLife]

I don't think its a bad wagon, and I would like it to either result in a lynch or bring tubby out of his shell so that I can get a better feeling for his alignment. At this point, I think there is a greater than average chance that tubby is scum, so I would not oppose this wagon going all the way to a lynch.

As for a wagon having legs, what I mean is exactly what you said, that the tubby wagon is going somewhere i.e. it has momentum, whereas the Sir T wagon did and does not seem to have any momentum.

[OhGodMyLife]

BM, what exactly is the purpose of posting an out of date lurker list?

And why would you then vote based on that?

[OhGodMyLife]

So until I get a few more answers, particularly about the Sir Tornado vote, I'm going to:

unvote, vote: OhGodMyLife

Cases that end with "until I get answers to these outstanding questions" are really flimsy. That dawned on me recently.

To answer Vollkan, yes I'd be willing to carry the tubby wagon through to a lynch if necessary.

Hoopla, I'll get back to you.

[OhGodMyLife]

So until I get a few more answers, particularly about the Sir Tornado vote, I'm going to:

unvote, vote: OhGodMyLife

Cases that end with "until I get answers to these outstanding questions" are really flimsy. That dawned on me recently.

Maybe it's me giving you an incentive to tell me your reasons, but I'm actually a bitch and have little reason to change my vote!

Maybe you shouldn't say your vote is "until you get some answers" next time.

[OhGodMyLife]

taking care of mod duties then catching up on this game

[OhGodMyLife]

I don't believe puta puta's claim for a second.

I am in Tunisia and this will be my last chance to access the internet until probably Monday or even Tuesday. Sorry to say I'm still not up to speed. Catching up will be my first priority when I get back.

Unvote, Vote: Puta Puta

[OhGodMyLife]

As far as I can tell puta puta aka gimbo just got wagoned to a claim in every game he was in and claimed some kind of town power. He's a dick. Guess we'll need to hear from his replacement, but he still looks like a good lynch, or at least righteous vig material.

Reading up today.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: tubby216

K7 gets a meta pass from me for lurking, for now.

Tubby seems to have tried to scare people off his wagon with this weirdly vague softclaim-type thing, which was really scummy but got swamped by gimbo puta's shenanigans.

[OhGodMyLife]

On Sir T:

Post 98
This is what originally drew my attention and vote. His reason for the FoS is total bull, and the fact that he FoSes when he hasn't got a vote out is something I find really scummy, in that noncomittal, don't want to leave a paper trail sort of way.

Post 125
Specifally, this line

There really isn't any reason strong enough for me to actually vote for Seraphim. And, he still has to answer that question.

Admits he hasn't really got anything on Seraphim, but is happy to use the fact that Seraph hasn't responded as an excuse to do nothing himself.

Post 157 and Post 158
Defends his move onto the Hoopla wagon in 157 based on a total falsehood, then corrects himslf in 158 regarding the facts but seemingly doesn't think this should change his defense in the slightest. Also, note this line from 157:

(still waiting for your answer Seraphim)

Its so convenient for scum when someone doesn't answer a query of theirs, they get to just sit around doing nothing all day long except repeating that they're waiting for something.

Post 404
Lets look at some details.

1) I am convinced CKD is town. His attack on Sensfan seems to be very righteous and passionate.

Unabashed buddying up to CKD.

3) However, I am not so convinced about BM up to this stage though. I am noticing an overwhelming lack of smileys from him, which I think he puts a lot of when he is town, not sure if this is a general change in his posting style though.

This is an incredibly ridiculous reason to attack BM.

I do play distinctly different as scum and as town usually, but the play style in this game is deliberately supposed to be a bit ambiguous because I was being sick of being NKed, especially after being NKed on N1 in my last game (which I was really starting to enjoy).

Wow what an awesome excuse for scummy play, you're "trying to be ambiguous" so you don't get nightkilled. I call shenanigans.

Post 407
Again its all in the details

At least try.

unvote, vote: BM

I

really

don't like this vote. Do you think BM gains anything from not posting? If he did, would he be going on posting at a rate he was going before Shanba's request? Utter crap.

yawn,,,,Vote:BM

What I said to Natirasha.

Wait wait wait, didn't you just make a sidelong attack on BM yourself for

not using enough smileys?

I don't think there can be anything more utter crap than that, yet here you go attacking people who attack BM. Thats really strange.

I did explain it, I think. I voted Hoopla because I found his no lynch vote scummy, but as the game progressed, I came to the conclusion that it was not scummy. I believe I stated this somewhere.

You explained it based on a false premise, then you quickly corrected yourself in regards to the premise but did not correct your explanation.

Also, I vaguely remember waiting for someone's answer to something I asked.

lulz

Post 412
It should be clear by now that Sir T and tubby216 are scum together.

Post 469
Epic lulz

Post 477
Finally, finally votes for Seraphim, I guess he felt that he had left enough "waiting for your answer" posts to point back to later if this vote was ever questioned.

Post 494
Then pulls this sudden switch to voting xyl, playing follow the leader with BM, the guy who he, let us not forget, attacked earlier for not using enough smileys. But then shortly after that, heChainsaw Defends BM by way of attacking Natirasha and Der Hammer for their BM votes. How strange.

I think that does it.

Unvote, Vote: Sir Tornado

FoS: tubby216

[OhGodMyLife]

BM's attack on Xyl is stupid, if that didn't come across clearly enough in my criticism of Sir T for following BM in this regard.

Go go gadget quadruple post.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML: Why did you vote for tubby then go back and read and make a case against Sir T? Did you notice the wagon on tubby was mostly for his lurking and lack of context is that vote worthy in your opinion?

I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

---

Tubby:

This?? This is how you tie me to Sir T? come on the only thing connecting me to Sir T is that there is nothing to connect us together,,
So my question to you is, Grasp at straws much??

You seem to have gotten really, really worked up over my statement that I see a connection between you and Sir T. This only makes it more likely in my eyes.

Did I used to date your sister?? What’s with all the hate??

Do you have anything game related to say? I make a point about an aspect of your play I found to be scummy, and you counterattack by claiming I made things personal. Thats just stupid.

BM, Xyl thoughts??

What about BM and Xyl make their opinions on your post more valuable than anybody else?

---

This is the entirety of tubby's tactic to get the wagon off of himself, which to me looks like a softclaim in the form of a threat, like "you don't want to do that because I might be a town power role."

nope still don't,,, there is nothing of substance to be had anywhere,, so yah lynch me if you want its ok by me although i would sugest looking elsewhere

3) i highly doubt i will get lynched today but if i do thats ok to i just hope everyone is paying attention

dear hoopla,

all will be revealed, just have faith,,,

no but i assure you yos all will be revealed soon

prior to my lynch captain impatience

---

You obviously don't know I make comments like this frequently in mafia games. Also, I'll keep this in mind whenever you say you think someone is town later on.

Saying you think someone is town is a far cry from calling their attack on another player "very righteous and passionate" and using that as the basis for your conclusion.

You're defending yourself almost entirely through meta, and yet you state that you've deliberately changed your meta in this game to seem "more ambiguous," also known as more anti-town. I agree with Xyl on the theory aspect of the debate you two have been having about it, and I think using that in your own defense here in this game makes you leagues more likely to be scum.

[OhGodMyLife]

Finally, finally votes for Seraphim, I guess he felt that he had left enough "waiting for your answer" posts to point back to later if this vote was ever questioned.

Ok, but you fail to mention that I unvoted Seraphim on that very page. So, enlighten me, why would I trying to develop a false and weak reasoning to vote Seraphim for 15 pages, vote him (so that I could have enough "left him questions" posts later on to point to) and then vote someone else on the same page? No one actually questioned that vote between me voting him and unvoting him either, so how does that fit into your theory?

I believe I mentioned how strange it was that, after working over the course of a solid number of posts to lay the groundwork for a Seraphim vote, you dropped it altogether to play follow the leader with BM in his inane attack on Xyl. This added to the whole picture. And how does no one questioning the vote then make my argument about it now invalid in any way?

[OhGodMyLife]

what if i have a power role what then?? does that make you a scum hunter or a role fisher??

It makes you an idiot for playing in a deliberately anti-town fashion, thereby drawing a wagon which forced you into the position of softclaiming in the first place. On that note, I think you should full claim.

[OhGodMyLife]

I voted tubby for the softclaim, which I find to be very scummy. After catching up and putting together my thoughts on Sir T I found the weight of evidence against him to be heavier. Tubby's lurking and "lack of context" (by which I assume you mean lack of meaningful contribution) is, yes, also vote worthy.

Then why did you say you were against a lurker lynch then a few post later vote for tubby for lurkering?

I changed my mind.

Why are you so concerned with my opinion on tubby, but have nothing to say about what I wrote on the topic of Sir T except to comment that it came at the expense of a vote for tubby?

[OhGodMyLife]

I am against tubby fullclaiming. I do not believe he is danger of a lynch yet. And, to be frank, I can see the softclaim as equally characteristic of poor power-role play. OGML, I am surprised that you would try and pressure tubby into claiming before gaining the consensus of the town. Why did you do so?

I believe it would be beneficial for him to do so before this game goes to night.

And I don't think the attack on Sir T is productive.

Thats a very strange turnaround for someone who was willing to follow me into voting Sir T with no voiced basis whatsoever.

[OhGodMyLife]

Please. Don't sit there insinuating at me, voice it outright if you want to accuse me of being scummy. But more to the point, I've already explained that I do not agree with your reasons for attacking Sir T: I do not agree with Xyl's reasons either. Yet I still find him suspicious, some of the reasons for which I have articulated (well, ok one of the reasons for which).

I was not insinuating anything, I was remarking that it was a strange stance to take for someone who voices agreement on at least a general level of Sir T being scummy to think pressure against Sir T is unproductive.

Unvote, Vote: tubby216

[OhGodMyLife]

Xyl, aside from lurkers, who do you find the scummiest right now and why?

[OhGodMyLife]

Xyl, aside from lurkers, who do you find the scummiest right now and why?

Honestly, my ability to find scum in a large game on day 1 is pretty weak. Nobody has done anything scummy enough to make them a better lynch than a lurker, aside from tubby who is giving inconsistent reads.

Thats a copout.

[OhGodMyLife]

I've seen nothing indicating tubby shouldn't be lynched, nor have I seen enough support for a Sir T wagon to know that my vote would be doing anything worthwhile if I moved it back to him.

[OhGodMyLife]

Why is there so much idiocy in this game?

[OhGodMyLife]

Say, what happened to my old scummy friend Sir T? Seems like he hasn't posted in two weeks.

[OhGodMyLife]

So can I get some support for a Sir T wagon yet or what?

[OhGodMyLife]

Oh good.

Unvote, Vote: Sir T

Mod,

can we get a vote count in the house?

[OhGodMyLife]

Mod,

Shanba and I both appear to be voting twice in that latest vote count

[OhGodMyLife]

Though from what I know of xyzzy, he isn't as bad a habitual lurker as k7.

You obviously don't know much of xyzzy.

[OhGodMyLife]

Cult speculation is a waste of time at this point. Or ever.

[OhGodMyLife]

Sorry about this. I'll post tonight.

Five days ago. Where art thou, Sir T?

Xyl, when is somebody lurking hard enough to warrant a lurkerhunt from you?

[OhGodMyLife]

[out of game]Sir T, sorry to hear about your issues, hope you get well soon.[/out of game]

Everyone who has expressed a willingness to lynch Sir T today or FoSed him should quit pussyfooting around and vote him already. Xyl, I'm looking at you here.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML: You accuse me of being scum in this post, I respond to most of your accusations in this post, and you just ignore it and go after Tubby for the time being. Why?

What do you think about Seraphim? (don't accuse me of deflecting attention from my BW here)

Tubby needed a wagon to straighten him out.

As for Sera, I'll join the suggesting vig strategies party and say he'd be a pretty optimal vig choice. Recently, he's done a lot of wagoning lurkers and nothing.

[OhGodMyLife]

Bah, there goes whatever steam the Sir T wagon had left.

[OhGodMyLife]

Bleh, Sir T still needs to die, but I´ve got to start being realistic with how this day is going to end.

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

[OhGodMyLife]

But...there's no reason for you to do that, Sir T. The reason no one is too worried about OGML's case on you right now is because it dosn't really have anything to do with the only issue pro-town people should be worried about now, which is "who do we lynch today before deadline?".

If you don't replace out, since you just said you want to keep playing, then we'll talk about it tommorow. Right now we don't have time to waste on side issues like that.

It's about having some basic sense of decency to respond to someone who is trying to respond to your accusations of him being scum. If the town doesn't care about OGML not having it, then I don't care about what happens in this game anymore. Do whatever you like.

Basic sense of decency, huh? Jesus Sir T, nice ad hom.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: Militant

I like where Claus´s head is at.

Also, I agree with Elmo, Xyl feels very off.

I´m not terribly surprised that Sir T went down. I am pretty surprised that there was only one night kill.

[OhGodMyLife]

Final Votecount: like the previous one, but with added HAMMAH!

OhGodMyLife (2): farside22, Sir Tornado

I´m not terribly surprised that Sir T went down. I am pretty surprised that there was only one night kill.

Why are you not surprised that SirT was killed? He seems like he would have been good for scum to leave alive if you're town.

Why do I feel like you were planning on laying the blame for Sir T´s death at my feet long before you made this post?

And if you´re trying to imply that if I were town there is no way Sir T town would have died, just come out and say it. That backdoor "seems like" bullshit is not going to fool anyone.

Unvote, Vote: Xyl

[OhGodMyLife]

Why are you not surprised that SirT was killed?

Why do I feel like you were planning on laying the blame for Sir T´s death at my feet long before you made this post?

Please answer the question. Why are you not surprised that SirT was killed?

Multiple people were vocally suspicious of him, making him a plausible pro town kill.

His death throws obvious suspicion onto me, as you so underhandedly pointed out, making him a plausible scum kill.

So either way I'm not surprised he took a bullet.

[OhGodMyLife]

Cases are boring. I think wagons of consensus are win though, ^5 OGML.

I agree with Elmo. ^5

Shanba, do you think I am player A, B or C in your description of the budding Xyl wagon?

[OhGodMyLife]

I'm actually a little bit surprised by the lack of attention directed at SensFan in favor of other less egregious lurkers too.

[OhGodMyLife]

Claus, I don't recall ever being suspicious of Elmo.

I'm interested in where your Yos vote is going though.

[OhGodMyLife]

I don't see how he killed the momentum.

[OhGodMyLife]

As far as I can tell the momentum in this game consists entirely of lurker bandwagons.

Well, yes, thats the only momentum you've been adding. Scum.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: Natirasha

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: Militant

[OhGodMyLife]

Claus kill isn't unexpected, though I was hoping for some doc saving action.

Shanba kill is a surprise though.

[OhGodMyLife]

I'd say we have two mafias, and both of them killed Claus.

What gives you that idea.

[OhGodMyLife]

I like voting for dead town... not.

No lynching until claus-stump says he's ready to die.

I don't think there are two mafia groups. The "Florida" bit is just a red herring.

Vote: Xylthixlm

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: magisterrain

Hoopla, reading into the way the mistake was made will never do us any good, there are too many possible explanations. I see no evidence for two mafia groups.

[OhGodMyLife]

We don't pretty much know anything. Its possible there were three attempts, or its possible that the mod(s) got the militant kill order and fucked up and killed claus instead cause they were both cops. And even if there were three kill orders, nothing about three kill orders makes it necessarily a second scum group,

unless

you know something I don't because your scum group is unusually small for a game this size.

[OhGodMyLife]

Well, that is pertinent information that I just did not have.

[OhGodMyLife]

mag, when you make a post and I immediately vote you right after it, you can take heart in the fact that there is indeed a reason for my vote. Now be a good scum and die.

[OhGodMyLife]

mag is much more worried about what I have on him than what anybody else thinks.

[OhGodMyLife]

Man it feels good to be proven right by the cop's investigation

[OhGodMyLife]

Two scumgroups it is. I stand corrected.

I've got out next scum though.

Vote: iamausername

I've been vascillating on xyl being scum for the last two days, but I'm pretty sure now that he and username make way too much sense as a scumpair. Just look at sobeahero (who iaun replaced) defending the everliving fuck out of george carlin (who xyl replaced), and littering his posts with false dilemmas so bad that even username had to call them out when he replaced.

[OhGodMyLife]

*sings* I'm paranoid I'm paranoid and everybody's coming to get me

Anyway, agree that DH is still town despite skitzer being a miller (two cops after all)

Like I said, vascillating on xyl. He's a slippery mofo and I'm still having trouble pinning him down. But I think username is scummy in addition to the xyl connection.

[OhGodMyLife]

V/LA for a few days.

Just found out somebody I knew was on the flight that crashed near Buffalo.

[OhGodMyLife]

Unvote, Vote: SensFan

[OhGodMyLife]

Agreed that this feels like Sensscum.

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote: iamausername

[OhGodMyLife]

I swear to god its like nobody was reading what I wrote yesterday.

[OhGodMyLife]

So it turns out I mixed up which of xyl and iaun was doing the defending and between all those replacements, and its not the lock I thought it was. However, I still find username scummy on his own.

On a seperate note, I think that its likely we're dealing with three more scum - two florida and one cartel. This means there is the potential for florida mafia to win after today if there is both a non-florida lynch and three non-florida deaths in the night. Which means its probably time for a massclaim.

[OhGodMyLife]

Both Ectomancer and Adel seem to be getting a serious case of selective scumhunting.

[OhGodMyLife]

I think that lynching red today is a good idea.

Unvote, Vote: Ectomancer

[OhGodMyLife]

My gut says he's scum, logic says if thats true he's red scum for trying to get purple scum not to shoot tonight.

[OhGodMyLife]

CarnCarn is looking like a pretty good lynch today. Mudslinging, etc.

Mod, can we get a vote count?

[OhGodMyLife]

Yos2, what do you think the most likely alignment is for Ecto/HowardRoark out of {red, purple, 3rd party, town}

[OhGodMyLife]

I have another theory as to how xyl's role could have worked. If the setup is two mafia groups of three, then the mafia traitor could have been a role which was recruitable by either mafia group (which would mean xyl had no knowledge about who was in any scum group).

This seems like a pretty elegant role mechanic, and also means that if I'm right we know xyl was not killed by either the florida or cartel group, because that would have resulted in recruitment rather than death.

[OhGodMyLife]

purple scum - carncarn

red scum - ecto/howardroark and either iamausername (more likely) or yosarian2 (less likely)

town - everybody else

Unvote, Vote: CarnCarn

[OhGodMyLife]

Interesting stuff Howard, but you basically just reaffirmed my belief that you're scum with either username or yos2.

[OhGodMyLife]

Oh definitely prop-worthy, don't get me wrong.

[OhGodMyLife]

I like the bait that you are throwing out here. However, I want it noted that he is by far my first lynch choice. If I decide to change my vote, it will go to either iamusername or OhGodMyLife.

Say, whatever happened to this:

So far my reads are (0 = Town, 50 = Scum) . . .

Adel

Curious Karma Dog

=> 25
OhGodMyLife => 40
Yosarian2 => 35 (town read changed to scum/questionable read)
iamusername

Sobeahero

=> 35
Carn Carn

farside22

=> 45
tubby216 => 25
Der Hammer => 30

I am currently working on putting together the evidence for linking and advocating a lynch.

Did you get cold feet on CarnCarn because you're afraid that he just might not be an opposing scum, and therefore you'd rather stick your vote somewhere that its not going to make any waves?

Its interesting that you eventually settled on Der Hammer for your vote, when he got a 30 in your initial 0 to 50 sliding scale and Carn got a 45. What exactly were you basing these numbers on, anyway?

[OhGodMyLife]

Also, this:

Yosarian2 => 35 (town read changed to scum/questionable read)
iamusername

Sobeahero

=> 35

in particular is what made me believe that yos and username were the most likely bets for howard scumpartner. iaun was previously scummy, and yos has that weird disclaimer attached to his number, and both end up at a safe 35, behind most popular target carn at 45 and myself at 40.

Then after I mention my suspicions of who he's attached to, he suddenly drops all interest on to focus on me, username and, strangest of all, der hammer.

[OhGodMyLife]

EBWOP:

...suddenly drops all interest on

Yos

...

[OhGodMyLife]

Are you willing to change your vote to Carn before deadline if its the only way to avoid a no lynch?

[OhGodMyLife]

Right. Attention forces with nightkills - please make sure HowardRoark does not live to see the next dawn.

Somebody else please step up before the deadline and make sure we don't end up with a no lynch.

[OhGodMyLife]

Carn is a much better lynch than der hammer

[OhGodMyLife]

bah

[OhGodMyLife]

I actually feel the worst about the fact that the one scum I did manage to kill was still essentially a survivor.

I didn't shoot claus. My kills were Sir T, Militant, Skitzer, Xyl and Howard Roark. I thought it was blatantly obvious that I was vig after the screwup with Mili not dying at first and me immediately voting him, but the only person who seemed to pick up on that (and tried to get a case going on me for it) was magisterrain.

[OhGodMyLife]

OGML: I do think you're town, but you really need to work on your aim.

This is me breadcrumbing that I had worked out OGML as vig.

He shot me anyways. Bastard.

And you were the closest I got to shooting scum.

Have I mentioned I don't particularly like being vig?