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I will be replacing in. I hope to help finish out this game cause it looks like a good set up. I saw it and read it a few weeks ago, will re-read now...Show-sekinj
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OK.
Here are my thoughts:
I have a couple people who I think are most likely town, but I'm reserving their names.
as for scum: My best guess is that the teams are EL/Snix and OP/forbidden. I am the lest sure about forbidden. if not her then I think it is M4hem because of X's comments about doing night without him in Post 450.
I thinkthe reaction by EL and Snix when they were first suspected is telling. They immediately jump apart (like guilty lovers) and do their best to be ont he opposite ever after. I think this is distancing and tryignt o keep at least one of them alive if the other goes down.
@OP: why did you unvote in 399 and again in 470? I mean I can see that you unvoted twice becasue the mod didn't catch it the first time, but why are you unvoting the EL wagon? you did not give a reason either time even though you were asked.
I'm surprised more people aren't voting OP since there have been several good cases against him.
Mod: Please post VC and deadline. Thank you!Show-sekinj
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OK guys, the power is in our hands... Let's do this.
Put this back on your watch lists. this game is GOING TO HAPPEN!!
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I think you look scummy by yourself, but the least scummy of the 4. I dont' think there is much of a connection between you and OP, however, there it too much of a connection between EL and Snix. So that leaves you with OP. and if not you then mayhem.forbiddanlight wrote:Alright, thanks for the VC and deadline. I'd like to ask what makes me scum with OP? I plan to reread him to find out if the points against him are valid, but I wonder where this connection comes from, and what makes me scum?Show-sekinj
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well, I think they are pretty close. I mainly put my vote on OP instead of EL in order to maybe get some attention back on this game. I think either would be a good choice for the day. The only hesitation I have about EL is that many of you decided he was scum at almost the very start of Day3. things didn't do too well the others days when the wagons formed that fast... and yeah, we're all stalled out now, but it seems that many people havn't actually considered anything else after deciding EL was scum... So I'd just to explore a little.Cephrir wrote:sekinj: are you saying that you think OP is more likely scum than EL?Show-sekinj
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Here are FL’s posts that I don’t like… (actually the more I look at her the higher she moves on my scum list).
Way to throw your vote around. As a townie you should be ever aware of exactly what you are doing so that people don’t get mis-lynched.forbiddenlight Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: 2 wrote:
Let's see, maybe it's the fact that even in joke voting, you give a reason, no matter how bullcrappy. Most of his contributions have been "vote" "vote" "awwww" (when he got voted) "Nice one, vote". So, I actually agree with a vote:Chubbs
(4th doesn't bring him close to lynch, does it?)
Trying way too hard to be townie.forbiddenlight Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: 13 wrote:
Woah, woah, woah! What is the DEAL with this magical Chubbwagon here? I mean, we were wrong about Jou, shouldn't we be taking this time to, yanno, reexamine our logic? Also, would like to know why rofl and Snix were FoS'd?
Thanks for letting us know that you won’t flip scum… you look way too defensive by pointing that out. And you also make an emotional appeal for getting to endgame. You’re not close to lynch at this point, but you are getting antsy.forbiddenlight Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: 27 wrote: I don't plan to die. And on the offchance I do, I won't flip scum. But for once, I'd like to make it to the end. I tend to have a bad habit of being lynched. I do however agree with that view, and it gives you more pro town points in my book .
Exibit A:
Exibit B:forbiddenlight Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: 33 wrote:
nyeh, irrelevant. Why not respond to the points I brought up? Or maybe you can't? Liking my vote now.Eldritch Lord Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:55 am Post subject: 297 wrote: Forbiddan, don't care if you're a man or a woman.
I will say him, no girls on the internet, etc.
Exhibit A and B point out an inconsistency based on who she is talking too. Scumbuddy tells?? -I'm not sure what this inconsistency means...forbiddenlight Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: 42 wrote: First, Chubbs, you could get my gender right. It's annoying that people can't pay attention to the icons right next to someone's posts <snip>
Screams false dilemma.forbiddenlight Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: 46 wrote:
I don't know! That's the problem! I don't know whether Snix is a victim or not. I kinda thought that, but I could see blatent following to give that impression. It's freaking WIFOM and I hate it. That's mostly why I said I'll look at Snix more closely pending how you flip but don't think it'll lead anywhere.Eldritch Lord Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: 356 wrote: So if you really think this then why should my being scum make him more scummy? I smell somebody setting up a mislynch.
To be fair, I haven't linked you guys inseperably yet. Half of it depends on your flip if it happens (It might, given how the day has gone so far), and the other half depends on how Snix further handles himself and how a closer look reflects on him in the context of all the flips.Eldritch Lord Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: 356 wrote:
It is hard to get a clear idea of who is scummy when the first two days went by so quickly, and yet with only 15 pages of discussion on Page 3 and no conclusive evidence to go on you are talking about my flip as though I'm already lynched and then go on to set up a link to Snix for the next day despite having said:Forbiddanlight wrote: I feel Snix is more the victim of being followed by a scummy player
More breadcrumbing about EL. I think she may KNOW he is town and not want to be on the bad side of it when he flips after lynch.forbiddenlight Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: 57 wrote:
If EL flips scum, which I find likely, I would have to conclude Snix is more suspect. But, my scumlist?Show-sekinj
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Please point out the slanting. I was simply looking at her posts in isolation and that is what popped out. I encourage everyone else to do the same.armlx wrote:sekinj replaced Jenethron who replaced mik.
There's definitely a lot of slanting in that case. I can see EL/Snix + Mik/OP.
Cephrir, thoughts given your earlier issues with mik?Show-sekinj
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?? I'm not doing any favors by making cases? no wonder this game died.
@ceph: If you have a case against me or my predecessor, I'd love to see it.
@armix: please explain yourself rather just piggy-backing on someone else. You said my case was slanted. Please explain.Show-sekinj
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they both called you the wrong gender. you didn't care the first time, and then the second time that was the very first thing you address. That is inconsistant.forbiddanlight wrote:
Wait what? This is BS, and you know it. Um...let's see, one person was defending a case. The other one was pushing a case. THEY REQUIRE DIFFERENT RESPONSES!
Exhibit A and B point out an inconsistency based on who she is talking too. Scumbuddy tells?? -I'm not sure what this inconsistency means...
that doesn't sweep it under the rug. you were putting on way too much of a show.forbiddanlight wrote:
Only the same one that armix pushed. If you are going to call me on it, call armix on it.Screams false dilemma.
No, I'm really not stupid. and even if I WAS scum like you are OMGUSing, when exactly would I have been "partying with my buddy"? today? or during the last night when I wasn't even in this game? "You really are stupid, aren't you?" You seem WAY too certain that EL will flip town to be voting him. You have at least 3 posts saying how much you think he is town or how unsurprised you will be when he flips town. If you are so unsure, why were you voting him for a month?forbiddanlight wrote:
You really are stupid, aren't you? Even as scum I can't know that EL is town. Two scum groups? Or did that slip your mind when you were partying with your buddy? Oh wait, shouldn't OMGUS.More breadcrumbing about EL. I think she may KNOW he is town and not want to be on the bad side of it when he flips after lynch.
Right. everyone who has not seen your role PM is ridiculously stupid... what a great defense... I really don't know what to say to that. you got me there.forbiddanlight wrote:
Hi, take a look at ANY OTHER GAME I'm in. I get overdefensive upon being attacked naturally. Part of it's my thought process that I know I'm town, and that anyone would attack me is ridiculously stupid (in my eyes)Thanks for letting us know that you won’t flip scum… you look way too defensive by pointing that out. And you also make an emotional appeal for getting to endgame. You’re not close to lynch at this point, but you are getting antsy.
I'm on mafiascum.net where we play the game of mafia. the way you play is that townpeople try to act town, and mafia try to act town as well.forbiddanlight wrote:
Uh no. That was being a townie because I am one. I honestly disliked how the wagon appeared out of nowhere without anyone reconsidering. What the hell are you on?
Trying way too hard to be townie.
When I am town, I tend to pay attention to who I'm trying to lynch because I'm trying to find scum. however, when I am scum, I tend to pay a little less attention since I already know. That's exactly what this looks like to me.forbiddanlight wrote:
Actually, it's more I don't pay much attention to early game stuff. I didn't think he'd be close to lynch that early, but I wanted to ask to make sure. And yes, I also didn't count the number of players in the game. My fault. Seriously, calling me out on not paying attention is one of the weakest attacks I've had yet.Way to throw your vote around. As a townie you should be ever aware of exactly what you are doing so that people don’t get mis-lynched.Show-sekinj
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What does the EL/Snix connection have to do with anything?? I agree with the EL/Snix connection too. Did you even read the post where I said FL IS MY #4 SUSPECT??? She asked why I suspected her, so I brought forward the posts...armlx wrote:You are attacking menial issues + the fact she agrees with the EL/Snix connection....
Also, please notice that I AM NOT VOTING FL. I think she is suspicious and I gave the reasons when. OP is definitely a better choice today. OR EL OR SNIX. are you people reading??Show-sekinj
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gag me, emotional appeal.forbiddanlight wrote:I'd like to mention I'm going V/LA starting Thursday, but I'm going to be low activity most of this week anyway. I should be back monday.
So, do me a favor and don't lynch me over this week, k?Show-sekinj
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@everyone: PLease read this since you skipped it the first time I posted it:sekinj wrote:as for scum: My best guess is that the teams are EL/Snix and OP/forbidden. I am the lest sure about forbidden. if not her then I think it is M4hem because of X's comments about doing night without him in Post 450.
I thinkthe reaction by EL and Snix when they were first suspected is telling. They immediately jump apart (like guilty lovers) and do their best to be ont he opposite ever after. I think this is distancing and tryignt o keep at least one of them alive if the other goes down.
@OP: why did you unvote in 399 and again in 470? I mean I can see that you unvoted twice becasue the mod didn't catch it the first time, but why are you unvoting the EL wagon? you did not give a reason either time even though you were asked.
I'm surprised more people aren't voting OP since there have been several good cases against him.Show-sekinj
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you asked.forbiddanlight wrote:You are still trying to set me up. Though it's odd to see two people attacking me while the rest are neutral to protecting me. That...kinda implies something.
Also, for not wanting to lynch me you sure are putting a lot of effort into painting me scummy with falsehoods for the most part.Show-sekinj
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And this:sekinj wrote:
I think you look scummy by yourself, but the least scummy of the 4. I dont' think there is much of a connection between you and OP, however, there it too much of a connection between EL and Snix. So that leaves you with OP. and if not you then mayhem.forbiddanlight wrote:Alright, thanks for the VC and deadline. I'd like to ask what makes me scum with OP? I plan to reread him to find out if the points against him are valid, but I wonder where this connection comes from, and what makes me scum?Show-sekinj
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because she asked. so I gave her the reason I thought she was scum. my otehr suspects have responded either not at all, or not to the question I asked (OP)Cephrir wrote:sekinj wrote: Okay... then why are you making a case on your 4th suspect?Show-sekinj
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You mis-read me. I saidCephrir wrote:
You did read the game, right? It's my first post.sekinj wrote:@ceph: If you have a case against me or my predecessor, I'd love to see it.*case*not vote. you actually spend that entire post talking about everyone, quote one post from mik and say it gives you "weird vibes" and then vote mik. again, case please.Show-sekinj
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given the town's record in this game, I count this point in my favor.forbiddanlight wrote:
But the thing about this is, there are two people attacking me. The scum teams are in groups of two. There are FAR more than two people piling on sekinj.
I agree Senkinj's case isn't the best but I don't like how people are suddenly piling on her. At least she's making a case of her own! Orangepenguin isn't even doing that!Show-sekinj
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I've gone back and looked at Snix... the following is every single thing he has said in the last 22 pages. Please scan through this and tell me if you see anything missing...
P0 - "/confirm"
p1 - "I thought random voting wasn't good, eh? Vote: ChubbsMcLubbs"
p2 - "reasons?"
p3 - "other than putting the third vote on ssf? No, I don't seem to be seeing it."
p4 - "Rolling over doesn't really help your case much. "
p5 - "he's at 5 if my count is correct."
p6 - "It's page four and to be honest neither of them really warrent death as of yet. I would like chubbs to stop lurking and maybe address some of the points against him. "
p7 - "Of course setting up mislynches is bad, it is very scummy but lets let him at least defend himself first. I want to hear some sort of defense from him before I vote. "
p8 - "Both of thier disappearances are annoying me. While I understand the case against Chubbs, joubert's attempt to set up multiple lynches based on a town flip just screams for more attention."
p9 - "Why am I fos'd? We here in the mafia community like explanations with our murder. "
p10 - "SSF was the only person voting Chubbs at the end of day 1. The whole problem with the arguement is majorly WIFOM. "
p11 - "Because I now realize that he disappeared when the pressure was turned up and never returned. "
p12 -His first 'big' post of the game!!"I hate /agree posts but I don't really have much to add to the case against gedds. Everything seems solid enough. so unvote, vote: geddingsworth also, the only problem I can see with scum pushing like crazy against a dud night kill is that they could potentially use it to kill off town quicker."
p13 - Nope, I was already listed as voting for him. It was a mistake and now I made it official... "
p14 - "Arm, good catch. I hadn't noticed how EL been fallowing me around all game. I can't really explain the trend from my own point of view, I'd like to hear what EL has to say about it. It also looks really bad that I was already listed as voting as a mod mistake and no one jumped on until after I corrected the issue and changed my vote. "
p15 - "I'll answer any questions anyone tosses at me but there really isn't anything I can say about the motives of EL. "
p16 - "That'd be cool IMO."
p17 - "Also, Ceph. I've already said that I'll answer any questions people want to throw at me. "
p18 - "He was right though. Lets see how long we can derail the game. Shall we?"
p19 - "The problem is that with two speed lynches we don't have much to go on. The closest we got to a clue is the fact that EL seems to be following me on who to vote for. "
p20 - "V/LA for the weekend. Hope I don't miss much."
p21 - "That stance being? "
p22 - "oh dear god the prodding hurts. If you'd note the vote on Chubbs was a pressure vote to get him to post more. He had disapeared durring day 1. And the geds wagon had reason behind it, most of which was put there by you."
p23 - "EBWOP: that was in response to Armlx. "
p24 - "damn you, you beat me to it. That puts him at L-2 to let others know."
p25 - "That's kinda the way I play, find someone I think is scum and jump. I do hate meta arguements though so if you can find examples I might be able to beter explain myself. IMO this town is too quiet and the only way to find scum in these games is to make them talk till they slip up. Which means I'm not really set on lynching EL just for following me. I want some sort of actual defense rather than him dissapearing."
p26 - "That's kinda what I was talking about in my last post. Scum are just too content on being in the shadows and there isn't much reason for them not to. I've made up my mind on EL; his last defence wasn't really much of an explanation then an attempt to deflect attention. Something I don't think town would do. Vote: EL ""
p27 - "I'm here. If it matters."
p28 - "So, we've basicly agreed to wait for replacements? "
p29 - "I'm going to be LA too. My internet is pretty much dead and I'm posting this from a phone right now."
p30 - "back and nothing has happened.... whoo. "
p31 - "xtoxm, my good friend. How's it been. It's like were getting the gang back together. "
p32 - "They'd at least know who'd be an easy target and who wouldn't. "
p33 - "Not really. I'm just waiting for the other replacement. "
p34 - "vote count would be nice.. We've gone from gun-ho town to scared shitless town."
p35 - "vote count would also be cool. "
p36 - "I'd rather we continue.. "
p37 -I'm glad my appearance has motivated Snix to make his longest post of the game"I must say that I am personally against the EL/snix wagon for the obvious reasons that I'm on it. Sekinj just seems like she's trying to force a lynch to get to night. The only Pro-town powerroll is gone sooo... Unvote, Vote: Sekinj I say EL/Sekinj wagon, she replaced in and totaly stole the stage with crap-logic and took any remaining focus off of EL."
p38 - "Notice the "with crap-logic" part of that sentence, you keep telling us to read and yet you refuse to do it. Post, yes. Post crap, no. "
p39 - "Bring your best shot "
p40 - "It's what I do.. *shrug*"
Did you find it? No, because it's not there... it's called Scumhunting. that's right. Snix has done 0. he's done plenty of bandwagoning, but no scumhunting.
HIs posts are also severely lacking in content. The vast majority of his posts are shorter than his automatic signature! Let me repeat: This is every single thing he has said in this game. How can he be town if he is not trying to find scum??Show-sekinj
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@OP: so snix is scummy because EL has followed his vote... but nothing snix himself has done is scummy? yet you are convinced he is still scum? What? How can another player's action convince you that snix is scum while at the same time nothing snix does is scummy according to you?
and "hasn't done as much as I have"? please remember how long I have been in this game. 2 days. he has been in it 2 months, how can you do 0 scumhunting in 2 months? yet people think I am the scum and he is not?Show-sekinj
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well that's better than the no case that everyone else is going on...Cephrir wrote:
I didn't say that, just that your case appears selective.sekinj wrote:@ceph: so you've decided they are all town?Show-sekinj
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Please prod or replace chubbs (last posted on Sept 1st) and prod EL (last posted on Sept 13th)
Also, please post a current VC.Show-sekinj
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I have sent my requests for Prods to WizardCat via PM.
Can everyone help me out by sending a PM to him as well? I would love to spam his mailbox until he notices us again.Show-sekinj
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There are at least 2 more people who need to comment on my Snix case. Even a passing, "that sucks" woudl be great...
come on guys let's keep up the momentum. Who needs a mod before we get to lynch anyway?Show-sekinj
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@ arm - you support Snix lynch, but you like EL better right now? that is why you are voting EL?
If we all say Snix is scum, I think we shoudl all move our votes over to him. I agree that EL looks scummy... but I'd rather lynch a player that is playing that one we are waiting to get replaced.Show-sekinj
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So you just going to post one liners until i am lynched?Cephrir wrote:I would rather lynch sekinj. Shockingly.Show-sekinj
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Snix's response was no where near enough for me. I'm goign to go ahead and move my vote over.
Vote: SnixShow-sekinj
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15 days away... I have seen nothing yet that convinces me that we are actually going to discuss all our opinions and cases during the next two weeks..Wizardcat wrote:Deadline: Monday, October 27th, 11:59PM
Which is three weeks away. I hope that's enough time.
I believe the Vote Counts are accurate and up-to-date.
As you were.Show-sekinj
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did you forget your scumdar in your other pants? I really want to know why you haven't been scumhunting at all this entire game.Snix wrote:I have nothing to argue against because you people are trying to kill me based on whim. Give me a solid arguement and a chance before you make another mistake.Show-sekinj
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@FL - I'm fine with a hammer, but we will have to wait for the mod anyway. he has not picked up the PM I sent yesterday. so I guess the question is do we want to wait before or after the hammer....Show-sekinj
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[quote'"FL"]I'm pissed as well. I want sekinj's head.[/quote]
that's lovely... I guess you'll have to hope I live through the night so you can lynch me tomorrow...Show-sekinj
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that's lovely... I guess you'll have to hope I live through the night so you can lynch me tomorrow...FL wrote:I'm pissed as well. I want sekinj's head.Show-sekinj
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I suddenly feel the need to point this out...Wizardcat wrote:04: If you wish to change your vote, bold an unvote for the player you were voting and vote for the new player you are going to be voting. For example, Unvote: RandomPerson, Vote: ScummyPerson. If you do not unvote in this format, your vote will not be counted.unvote, Vote: Snix(just in case)Show-sekinj
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I think OP is the other Fire Mafia. He has been pushing almost solely the EL lynch for the entire time he has been in the game. I think maybe heknowsEL is the other Ice and wants to be sure to get him lynched during the day... Maybe EL was fire's target on the failed night 1 kill....Show-sekinj
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@FL - you said you usually correct your OMGUS votes when you realize you are doing it... Well... I just thought I'd point out that you are attacking me mainly because you hated my case against you.... *hint hint*Show-sekinj
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@FL -
1. I told you you were 4th on my LoS. I wasn't hiding that. You then asking for why I thought you were suspicious. I gave you that. Of course the case isn't nearly as good as THE OTHER THREE AHEAD OF YOU. that it why you were fourth.... understand??
2. Please name and show all these other things my predessesor did.
If you don't understand #1, and can't bring anything up for #2, then Yes, it is OMGUS.Show-sekinj
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Except that you are scum, so yes, you would be voting me if you thought I was townie OR if you thought I was the other ICE mafia (which is unlikly unless I bussed Snix up the wazzoo).Show-sekinj
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yes. once.orangepenguin wrote:Has killa even posted yet?
killa seven Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:59 pm wrote:Hey whats up, ill do a quick re read, 25 pages aint much.Show-sekinj
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OKAY OKAY OKAY!!! I'm tired of all the discussion and acusations flying around.... I'll claim so we can make this short as sweet.... I'm at L-2, so I think that is justified...
I AM ICE MAFIA
I bussed Snix's ass to try and get some cred around here, but now everyone just htinks I'm fire... So, go ahead and lynch me, and let Fire mafia win.... town is screwed either way.Show-sekinj
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