If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.
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roflcopter's #14 is a big fat scum tell to me, and the only way he can know for sure that Iron Man is town is if he is either scum or cop, the latter of which is idiotic. The post after his asks why he thinks so, and he shoots it off as saying the question is scummy and refuses to explain why said question is such.
If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.
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roflcopter, if your mason claim is true, then you just gave the Mafia and the serial killer two free hits—you and Iron Man. Do you realize that, not only have you given him away, bur you have also blundered yourself up beyond all recognition? Are you even thinking before you lay one finger on your keyboard!?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I did not see him confirm before I started typing. Sorry.
I don't intend to unvote at this time, because town or not, you have made a serious,SERIOUSblunder that is making it hard to believe your claim. For all I know, Night 0 you could have talked with Iron Man and agreed to fakeclaim mason when it came to that point.
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Please stop outing your group and take pride that you have an informational power role if that is the case.roflcopter wrote:please stop being retarded and unvote
Operative words where I mentioned fakeclaiming mason: "could have". I'm not saying you did, I'm saying it's possible.
I'm running up and down stairs doing chores and posting at the same time, which is why it's taking awhile for my posts to show up.
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*grumble, grumble*
Fine.Unvote: roflcopter, but I still believe your actions warrant anFoS: roflcopter.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Vote: Lowellfor aforementioned rolefishing. The only time you should be asking anybody to claim anything on Day 1 is if they're at lynch -1.
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I was looking at page 1 when I typed the first quote up. The second quote is after I looked and saw that roflcopter finally answered armlx's question.Korts wrote:
This post makes my scumsenses tingle. Why aren't you even considering a town gambit? Oh, you add something referencing it, three minutes later. It's like you didn't want to be seen desperately throwing shit:StrangerCoug wrote:roflcopter's #14 is a big fat scum tell to me, and the only way he can know for sure that Iron Man is town is if he is either scum or cop, the latter of which is idiotic. The post after his asks why he thinks so, and he shoots it off as saying the question is scummy and refuses to explain why said question is such.
If his first post started with the words "I think" or "I'm pretty sure that" and he backed himself up, this would be a different story, but neither is the case here.
Vote: roflcopter
Actually, though, that's not a defense, that's an accusation.StrangerCoug wrote:EBWOP: I don't buy roflcopter's defense that armlx was rolefishing, either.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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What do you mean "probably"? WeLowell wrote:unvote, vote strangercougfor shedding crocodile tears.
You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town. ESPECIALLY in a situation where we probably have an SK.DOhave a serial killer. The fact that three deaths happened Night 0 meant we have both an SK and a vigilante, and I want to know where you were when we came to that conclusion.
I have. By unvoting him. Yes, I still have an FoS out on him, but that is because I feel a number of his actions before and during his claim were unnecessary. If roflcopter just said "I am a mason" and didn't say with whom, I would have believed it initially instead of reluctantly (it has been explained that doubting the mason should only happen in a lynch-or-lose situation)Lowell wrote:Even if scum factions WANTED to kill the masons (which in my experience isn't always the case) they have no way of coordinating it.
This is a good thing. Let it go.
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I'm going to get the claimed mason discussion over with andun-FoS: roflcopter. It's old news now.
StrangerCoug wrote:Do you have anything else to say for your OMGUS vote on me?
Explain, because I'm not inclined to unvote you.Lowell wrote:Nope. I feel pretty good about it, though.
Why?Korts wrote:Actually, I'm inclined to vote StrangerCoug too.
One, I would not have unvoted roflcopter if it weren't reiterated already. Two, your last sentence makes it look like you're letting scum influence your opinion about me.forbiddanlight wrote:FoS STrangerCoug. I rather dislike how reluctant you were to get off the mason claimants, and then still trying to make it look like they could be scum. It's been beaten to death, but let's reiterate again. D1 mason claims would be pretty stupid for scum to do. I'm not ready to vote you yet, but should a wagon appear on you, I will sure as hell join it.HoS: forbiddanlight
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The word "posts" should be "votes". My apologies.StrangerCoug wrote:How many posts are on forbiddanlight at this point, by the way?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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The reason I was asking is because I don't want to kill forbiddanlight before she gets a chance to claim. I'm going to wait for Lowell's defense before I do anything about her, though.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That's three people unnecessarily claimed now.forbiddanlight wrote:Well, in case you all DO want to kill me shortly, I might as well point out I'm a vanilla townie. No claim here, continue voting at will.
How do other people voting for me justify your intuition?forbiddanlight wrote:I'm actually quite astounded that that one statement got a wagon on me. To be honest, I was justifying intuition. I don't feel that StrangerCoug is town, but I'm maddeningly incapable of backing that up with much more, hence why I only FoS'd. I didn't want to start the bandwagon because I didn't have any "real" evidence. If a wagon started, my intuition would be more justified, and I also might actually find the reason that I'm suspicious of him, other than what I said.
This part of your post seems hypocritical. You FoS'd me based on very little because you didn't want to vote me, yet you just made a full-fledged vote on Vamparific based on what is also very little.forbiddanlight wrote:I also think at this point there is probably at least one scum on my wagon (since they should pretty clearly know I'm not scum). Given that, I willvote Vamparificsince from what I can tell, he just waltzed in and jumped on the running wagon. Pretty easy way to hide as everyone was accusing me of attempting to do. I also am supsicious of StrangerCoug, but since that's not likely to go anywhere, let's hit the other one who looks mildly scummy here.
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OK, I buy that.forbiddanlight wrote:Vamparific has more against him than you realize. You don't just throw a vote on a bandwagon with "I agree with what everyone else has said". Especially when you get into higher vote counts. It was the 4th vote, so not really bad, but it's still very fishy to walk in, vote with such a flimsy reason, and walk out. Then he comes back with his only defense being "I always screw myself over"? Yeah, that's not scummy at ALL.
So you are playing the waiting game as to what to think of me, is that correct?forbiddanlight wrote:The "very little" you speak of is ridiculous. I had intuition on you for my FoS. I can't vote on intuition. Well, I CAN, but it's not good play. I do however feel if a wagon did form on you, someone would point out what my intuition was going off on, so I'd feel better about voting you;.
Maybe not, because nobody in this game is God. Any specific examples of my faulty examination that you wish to bring up?forbiddanlight wrote:Vamparific however, was just a straight reading the evidence. It's scummy, no two ways about it. So, I really think that you aren't examining the situation well, StrangerCoug.
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I may be misinterpreting you, but I don't remember posting anything that implied that I was waiting for you to claim something before doing anything with my vote. In fact, what I do remember is objecting to your doing so once you did.forbiddanlight wrote:
Arguable. Cougar was holding his vote pending a claimWhy did you claim at -4?? Claiming should NOT be done until you're at about -2. And just out the blue with no-one asking for a claim? What's that about?
The reason I left my vote on Lowell while considering you in the meantime is because IWANTEDto give him a chance to defend himself, but it came to the point where, in my eyes, you were scummier than he was. I'll review your case and take a look at Vamparific's, but for now my vote on you stays.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Well this was an easy review xD
The first thing Vamparific does is answer roflcopter's question and votes for his answer, armlx. Then he attempts to distance himself from roflcopter by unvoting armlx, then he bandwagons forbiddanlight, then comes the "I keep screwing myself over" post, and then the unvote for forbiddanlight. He's posted way too little information to come off as townie to me, and while his posts are too close together to qualify as lurking in my book, his lack of content is what's about to kill him.
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Vamparific is male.JordanA24 wrote:vamparific: The most obviously scummy player. The "I keep screwing myself over" post was the most fail in the game so far, and some of her other posts don't come very far behind.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I actually buy Korts' defense that he misinterpreted armlx. What I think the latter is saying is that vigging Night 0 has its reasons. Yes, Korts may have ended up rolefishing as a result, but it's minor compared to Lowell asking the masons to claim Day 1.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Agreed xProflcopter wrote:
easy bandwagon, as there were several people already on me at this point, and you'll notice he doesn't actually give any real reasons for believing me to be scum. this vote was extremely opportunistic.BlakAdder wrote:vote:roflcopter. Just seems like everything he's said so far is kinda pointing towards scum.
Maybe I only catch obvious rolefishing, but to me he's trying to avoid assuming something about the setup that turns out to be wrong.roflcopter wrote:
translation: pssst. hey scumbuddies, remember there might be a second doctor.BlakAdder wrote:
That's not necessarily true. There could be another doctor.armlx wrote: Why would we want potential masons to claim now, especially with no doc.
This confuses me a bit. Explain your translation.roflcopter wrote:
translation: no i was not warning my scumbuddies to be careful with our nightkills.BlakAdder wrote:True. I guess I was being a little reckless there.
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Russian roulette, anyone? xDroflcopter wrote:
if everyone played mafia by making assumptions and voting without giving the slightest bit of reasoning it would be a very easy game for scum like you.BlakAdder wrote:
That was before he claimed mason, and I just thought that his behavior was kind of suspicious. Making assumptions is part of a game of mafia, after all.-TinVision- wrote:Wow. I get caught up in work for a day and come back to claims on Page 3.
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Anyway, anyone suggesting roflcopter for today's lynch, under the circumstances and given his claim, should be hit in the head with a baseball bat.
Would you care to elaborate on your thought process behind this post, please, BlakAdder? Cause, frankly, it's textbook bandwagoning.BlakAdder wrote:vote:roflcopter. Just seems like everything he's said so far is kinda pointing towards scum.
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Similar to forbiddanlight's case if I remember correctly.roflcopter wrote:
translation: i don't think i need to justify my intuition because my intuition said i was getting on the easy townie bandwagon before i looked scummy doing so, but my intuition was clearly wrong.BlakAdder wrote:
Pretty simple, really. If everyone waited until they were totally sure that someone was scum, deadline would roll around before we reached a majority. Also, my assumption was voting for roflcopter, obviously.-TinVision- wrote: Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say "making assumptions" is part of the game of mafia and what exactly you were making assumptions about?
Also, I don't think I need to justify my intuition, but whatever.
Agreed. Back yourself up with evidence from the thread whenever possible. If it's a gut feeling, explain what the gut feeling is and what caused it.roflcopter wrote:
more excuse making for voting without providing reasons.BlakAdder wrote:
Okay, good point. Guess I just kinda get used to going by my gut and I forget that not everyone thinks like that.armlx wrote:
But you do. Intuition is not valid reasoning.BlakAdder wrote: Also, I don't think I need to justify my intuition, but whatever.
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Again similar to forb's case.roflcopter wrote:
agreeing with someone else's case =/= providing reasoning, and FOS-then-voting onto the most popular wagon doesn't make it any less opportunistic or scummy.BlakAdder wrote:I agree with Bystand. I want to vote Vamp, but I'll give him a chance to give some particular defensive evidence against himself first. But for now,FOS: Vamp
I can see Vamparific replaced, given he hasn't posted much at all. It's a little too soon for that to happen, though.roflcopter wrote:in conclusion: the vampwagon is terrible (i listed him as anti-town because his play has been p bad, but i don't buy him as scum atm), blakadder should be the lynch today. see above for something i call reasoning, plus you all know i'm pro-town.
Vamparific, if you're reading this,please post more content.It'd help us hearing what you have to say.
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If I were you and I did not want to get replaced or die, I'd start posting something decent. We have 11 pages worth of information so far and you have said little if anything about it. There justVamparific wrote:oh i got lotsa votes...lolhasto be something you have an opinion on. If you must do so, ask questions about other's opinion.
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First, changing history, the "wagon to claim" thing. Not all that scummy by itself, but it not being correct invalidates the argument, yet armlx keeps pushing the point it should serve to strengthen.armlx wrote:
Sigh, you accuse me of role fishing that info out when A) a large number of players pushed your wagon to claim and B) you volunteered the bread crumb.armlx, it was stupidly, blatantly obvious who my mason partner was if i just claimed mason, thanks to you rolefishing for just that information.
This is just theory, but I still can't agree with it or see how one could truly believe this. The masons outing themselves give the town two confirmed townies, narrowing the field, and also makes the NK choice harder for both factions of scum, because they can't synchronize their kills. Basically the two choices left for scum are either killing one of the two confirmeds, or trying to hunt for power roles, both of which have serious drawbacks in that by killing one of the two confirmeds, scum let go of the possibility of killing a power role, and if they choose to hunt power roles, the town will still have two confirmeds Day 2. Again, this isn't much of a point against armlx, I just don't see why armlx keeps arguing against the masons claiming when they already have.armlx wrote:
It does. Anything that gives the mafia more information in who to target at night is going to hurt the town, especially if the "pay off" for the town is getting 2 confirmed innocents who won't likely last long.You can't tell me masons outing themselves really hurts the town.
armlx, you have contradicted yourself. You said that roflcopter was bandwagoned to the point of claiming mason, which Korts said he was not. You then bring Lowell into this, implying that you knew that he asked for a mason claim. Said claim request is actually why I currently think he's scummy (remember that I wasarmlx wrote:Its relevant to Lowell's townieness later on.VERYhesitant to clear roflcopter of my suspicions), but other issues have come up since. Some of them involve you. So without further ado:
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OK, I admit to the first three to various extents, but if you believe that the connection between Korts and me exists, then what do you think of the latter's accusing armlx of not taking into account that forbiddanlight has played similarly to me and practically the same connection applies to her and Korts?JordanA24 wrote:I'm fairly tempted to vote Tinvision, and maybe would if it weren't for SC, who's bandwagon hopped like hell (most recently to armlx), kept pressuring rofl long after his claim, only unvoted rofl after peer pressure (which indicates just bending to the towns wishes so as not to cause a major debate about his townness) and of course that major link with Korts, they all persuade me toVote: Stranger Coug.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Fixed.StrangerCoug wrote:OK, I admit to the first three to various extents, but if you believe that the connection between Korts and me exists, then what do you think of theformer'saccusing armlx of not taking into account that forbiddanlight has played similarly to me and practically the same connection applies to her and Korts?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Holy guacamole, forbiddanlight, that's a giant post #303. I had to highlight your post to keep track of my reading spot.
I remember admitting that I've been on every bandwagon except for the one on Korts but not why I didn't bandwagon him, so I believe it's high time I explain that.
I largely buy Korts's defense against armlx's accusations on him, for one thing. I also see him as defending me by bringing forbiddanlight into his case and saying she's played similarly to how I have. However, he may simply believe that she and I are about equally scummy (or townie, if that's the case). forbiddanlight and I suspect each other, even though I'm not voting for her at this time.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It's better than someone constantly adding an H at the end of your name, let me tell you xDKorts wrote:
Why the capital S every time? There is no capital S. It annoys me. Please stop.armlx wrote:You seem awfully willing to give up your case for being convinced I am scum KortS.
I should have brought this up earlier, but I object to the term "obvscum" because it's an excuse to accuse somebody without giving a real reason. You don't need it to make a good case.roflcopter wrote:armlx is still obvscum.
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Who are you talking to?forbiddanlight wrote:I already did. It's on Stranger Coug. I like that one better because he's shown himself to be relatively scummy too. That could change quickly if silence keeps that act up.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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strife220 wrote:a) Trying to control the Vig's kill-choice is anti-town
b) Greasy Spot actually provided a bit of a case against AIUN
c) Like 4 people have already said Vamp would be an excellent vig
d) You suggesting otherwise is defending Vamp (see c)
iamausername, why is point a wrong? I actually agree with strife220 here. Yes, lurkers make good vigilante targets, and yes, the vig should pick somebody who he or she thinks is scummy, but the vig can kill whoever he or she wants as long as those two are kept in mind. I'm pretty sure whoever the vig is is reading your posts and mine, because the vig might completely throw GS and Vamp out the window and pick someone else, if only for the moment.iamausername wrote:Point b) is total crap, since Greasy Spot has never presented any case against me besides "too stupid to be a townie", which is in fact not a case at all.
Point c/d) is also crap, because as I said, I'm in favour of a Vamp vig as well.
Point a) is also wrong, for the record.
The vig kill N0 was obviously not based on somebody looking scummy, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it, as bad of a reason it may be.
I agree with iamausername on point b, though. Idiocy is not a legitimate reason for a vote.
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Explain, even if you just spit out post numbers.Lowell wrote:I'llFOS GSfor tunnel vision.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Let Lowell answer please. I asked because I'm the person who likes having reference points.Korts wrote:Oh come on. Just look at GS's posts. How many times has he voted for iamausername? And for what? Basically for questioning him.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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See my response to the next quote, then come back and explain how this is pointless.Korts wrote:Fairly long post with no serious content and obviously weak/false points. Play by play.
Pointless comment.StrangerCoug wrote: I'm pretty sure whoever the vig is is reading your posts and mine, because the vig might completely throw GS and Vamp out the window and pick someone else, if only for the moment.
Because it relates to the paragraph above it. Call the N0 kill reasoning point e, if you will.Korts wrote:
Completely irrelevant point. Why do you bring up the N0 kill and on such an irrelevant and subjective scale, when neither of the quotes in your post address the N0 kill?SC wrote: The vig kill N0 was obviously not based on somebody looking scummy, but I'm pretty sure there was a reason for it, as bad of a reason it may be.
You took this out of context. See iamausername's response to this.Korts wrote:
Calling others' arguments "idiocy" and not commenting further isn't just rude. That's also not a valid refutation of the argument.SC wrote:I agree with iamausername on point b, though. Idiocy is not a legitimate reason for a vote.
OK, I believe your explanation.iamausername wrote:I think the reasoning for vidging Vamp or Greasy Spot (and it is the same reasoning) is good. Both these players are totally useless if they're on the side of town, and if they're not, it will be hard for us to detect this, because they're not making any attempt to actually play the game. It's much better to vig these kind of players than lynch them, because the voting records on these lynches will give us far less information than those on a player who is actually participating because, as armlx said in his original vig-directing post, their lynches are not likely to be polarising.
See above. Obviously, this would take more than one night. That's fine by me.StrangerCoug wrote:In fact, iamausername, your response to point d implies that you approve of both Greasy Spot and Vamparific vigged. What's up with that?
See iamausername's response.Korts wrote:Considering multiple (scummy/lurking) players for vigging is just not, as I see it, scummy. What's up with your question? Want to be looking like you're contributing, but don't know how?
Basically, I highly feel that iamausername has defended his reasoning for strife220's post better than Korts have of both strife220's and iamausername's. I don't think iamausername gave me the kind of answer I was looking for regarding directing the vig kill being scummy, but he has presented his opinion of vig killing and I agree with it. Korts, on the other hand, shoots off the existence of a reason for the N0 vig as pointless and irrelevant, implies that I thought Greasy Spot was an idiot when looking back and reading would reveal that Greasy Spot thought iamausername was an idiot (and the mod called him out for it), and gives a flippant response to what I feel was a legitimate concern.
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I misunderstood you. My apologies.Korts wrote:I do not "shoot off" the existence of a reason for a N0 vig as pointless and irrelevant. Don't misrepresent me. I said that your point about it was irrelevant in that particular debate that you brought it up in. As for the existence of a reason for a N0 vig, it's customary to kill the village idiot or the guy who has a history of not being helpful, etc. I don't know why this is a matter of speculation for you.
As for my calling you out over questioning multiple vig targets, that is correct and I wanted to make sure iamausername was on the right track.
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IGMEOY: armlx
Way to be polite about it.
(Note: I don't object to your saying we shouldn't discuss the vig, as I tried to avoid talking about it as well. What I object to is the way you said it.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Hence why it's not an FoS. That's me giving him a dirty look.iamausername wrote:
Impoliteness isStrangerCoug wrote:IGMEOY: armlx
Way to be polite about it.
(Note: I don't object to your saying we shouldn't discuss the vig, as I tried to avoid talking about it as well. What I object to is the way you said it.)definitelynot a scumtell.
Apparently.armlx wrote:What IAUN said, and it definitely got everyone to stop talking about it, am I right?
Lowell wrote:Vigs are useless anyway. There, I said it.HoS: Lowellfor calling a powerful pro-town power role useless.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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As I said, he wasn't polite in his post. I don't think IGMEOY was the best way to go about it, but I wanted to get his attention.forbiddanlight wrote:That's an opinion, Coug. It doesn't affect his alignment either way. And in the end, discuss it after game. Seriously, you seem to be panicking, throwing accusations around for such little things. If I weren't already voting you I'd vote you now. and an "I've got my eye on you" still indicates suspicion. If it's not scummy, why are you looking at him?
1. If it's an opinion, it's a harsh one, and he didn't explain why he thinks so.The Fonz wrote:Coug:
1 Why are you HoSing someone for a game theory opinion?
2 Why are you HoSing at all when your vote is currently sitting idle?
3 Would you say it is fair to describe your play today as jumping, tarzan-style, from popular wagon to popular wagon?
2. Because I don't feel that the comment, in and of itself, warrants a vote.
3. I have admitted to bandwagoning, so it makes some sense.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I did not admit to bandwagoning so I could do so. I admitted to bandwagoning because somebody was concerned that I was already doing so and that I needed to stop. There is a difference.armlx wrote:
Not valid reasoning. Just saying "I band wagon" and doing it does not give you a free pass to do so.3. I have admitted to bandwagoning, so it makes some sense.
I'm trying to be as cautious as possible at this point, and voting Lowell just for speaking his mind about a power role, whether I like what he says or not, is making mountains out of molehills. Which is why it was an HoS instead of a vote. Until I saw this:The Fonz wrote:unvote, Vote SC
What you seem to have been doing is throwing FOSes around like confetti, which I don't think is helpful to town.
Lowell wrote:unvote, vote Sun Tzu. If he's scum he'll come totally unglued. Let's try it.Vote: Lowellfor attempting what looks to me like a gambit without backing himself up.
Here. I'm the kind of person who needs references if he doesn't get explanations.BlakAdder wrote:
Where have you been for the last ten pages or so? He's been OMGUSing Username repeatedly without good reason.StrangerCoug wrote:
Explain, even if you just spit out post numbers.Lowell wrote:I'llFOS GSfor tunnel vision.
Could somebody post a vote count please?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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There's no reason to vote somebody to get a meta read on him or her.Lowell wrote:It's meta of me, perhaps, but not a gambit. I still don't really get what that is.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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All right, I honestly don't know who's the scummier bandwagoner anymore—you or me. I know what I am and I'm already voting for you, but I'd like to make this loud and clear for everybody:Lowell wrote:
Just trying to start a wagon. I'm saying he'll panic if he's scum, that's all.iamausername wrote:Hey, Lowell, could you try explaining your vote on Sun Tzu in a way that makes sense to people inthisgame?
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Oh come on. Give it 24 hours,THENbump it!
But yeah, discussion here has really died down.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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OK, I'll start by asking why you think so.roflcopter wrote:hey everyone, tinvision is looking scummy. discuss.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Korts wrote:More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?Korts wrote:"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
I am the vigilante,and I killed dcorbe Night 0. Granted, I did it out of spite and I probably could come up with better reasons, but that's who and why.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If you did not mean to drive me to claim, then I understand, but I'm bringing those two up because that pretty much did it for me.Korts wrote:unvote
I'll need to reread. What do you mean with this?
StrangerCoug wrote:Korts wrote:More votes on the SC wagon would be appropriate. He's still L-3.
You really had to make those two posts in close succession, didn't you?Korts wrote:"shameless wagoning" hadn't been part of the case until now, interesting. And the vig issue is two-sided. And more.
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Didn't you say earlier that the vig was useless?Lowell wrote:unvote. Yay, a vig who kills for spite!!! The MOST useful role!STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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So was #471 sarcasm or what?Lowell wrote:I did. Now you know why.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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It did not. You mentioned my being at L-3 at the time and brought up the vig issue, and I happened to be the vig and see those posts together.Korts wrote:I don't understand the connection you're drawing between the two quotes. How did me replying to armlx make you claim?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I think so. The two masons, a vanilla townie, and the vigilante.BlakAdder wrote:Crap, what is that, four claims on Day one, now?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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We do have an interesting situation, though. We're not even out of Day 1 and with a 20-player game we're already down to 13 people whose role has neither been claimed nor revealed. Don't know exactly what to make of it, but it's newsworthy.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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How do we know killa seven was SK'd?roflcopter wrote:and k7 was knifed. so the vig didn't want an idiot rampaging around with ridiculous theories (dcorbe), while the sk didn't want a lurkfest from k7. both make a degree of sense in terms of offing people who are annoying and often unreadable.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I don't like Lowell's posts, which is why I confirm voted him, but I don't like this post of yours either. You're spoiling an otherwise good attack on Lowell by encouraging bandwagoning and going for the easiest lynch possible.strife220 wrote:If we don't lynch Korts, can we lynch Lowell? He's made about a post every page; most every post is just 1 or 2 sentences. He pushed outing the masons with no meta proving that he actually believes it's a good move (subjective point, I know, but I think it's anti town). He's accused like 6 people of being pro-town. He made a vote on Sun Tzu without giving a reason, later stating he was 'just trying to get a wagon going for pressure,' apparently on a completely random player. Finally he's complaining about the vig, essentially discouraging him from using his kills.
Unvote, Vote: Lowellin hopes that people will join in. It takes about 2 minutes to reread all of his posts, and I think when read in sequence it becomes apparent that he's trying to seem pro-town without actually doing anything useful.
Would still like to see Korts lynched but that wagon seems to be stalled.
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I know I said I confirmed my vote on Lowell, but I withdraw that, and I'll make him my vig target unless there are any objections to it.Greasy Spot wrote:Well I can't let all the other claimers haveallthe fun. I am the Mafia Godfather. I will always show up innocent.
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Why are we still debating on who we should lynch? Has anybody other than me read #507?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm not familiar with fakeclaiming scum, and if it's not fakeclaiming then my sense of humor is shot. My rationale, with a sense of humor or a lack thereof, is that you don't joke about bombs at an airport unless you want to be thrown in prison, and likewise you don't joke about being scum unless you want to be lynched. Hence why I'm dropping Lowell and going after Greasy Spot.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'll post more when I come back from the library, but I am not vigging either of the masons. That's not my job.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Fine.strife220 wrote:
Confused... why is encouraging bandwagoning bad? And how is Lowell the easiest lynch possible? He was one of 8 people that had votes on them at the time. Why not a HOS to Korts for saying:StrangerCoug wrote:I don't like Lowell's posts, which is why I confirm voted him, but I don't like this post of yours either. You're spoiling an otherwise good attack on Lowell by encouraging bandwagoning and going for the easiest lynch possible.
Major HoS: strife220
since it's also explicitly encouraging bandwagoning?Korts wrote:Actually, if some people would be willing to vote armlx, that'd be all kinds of great.HoS: Korts.You happy?
Greasy Spot did not play in that game.strife220 wrote:
You just finished xyyzy's game with GS in it. Go re-read his... 2? posts in that game. GS clearly has no problem with joking about bombs. Armix is right with his meta.StrangerCoug wrote:My rationale... is that you don't joke about bombs at an airport unless you want to be thrown in prison,
Heck no. The vigilante shouldn't be testing the masons.Muerrto wrote:Lynch Blak, Vig Iron. Directing the vig is NOT scummy. Vamp was a GOD AWFUL player. Testing the masons is 100% necessary before LYLO.FoS: Muerrto
Thank you. Great minds think alike.iamausername wrote:Here's a reason why using the vig to test the masons is a bad idea; it's unnecessary, because the SK will almost certainly be doing that for us before LYLO.
Don't you think this is a bit harsh?forbiddanlight wrote:Ugh...I don't like this Korts. Not at all. It's all well and good to vote your gut, but to expect others to vote with you because of it? Not gonna work. Case or die.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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roflcopter claimed mason on his ninth post.Muerrto wrote:No mason would claim in his first post IMO but hey...STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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If the ridiculously lame (and I really do mean ridiculously lame) term "obvious town" can be called a claim at all, then it's a soft claim. The only difference I know between that and a breadcrumb is that the former implies "hint, hint" and the latter involves planting information to be discovered later.Muerrto wrote:
He said IM was obv town in his first post. That's his claim.StrangerCoug wrote:
roflcopter claimed mason on his ninth post.Muerrto wrote:No mason would claim in his first post IMO but hey...STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*rewrites his personal MafiaScum dictionary to take this into account*armlx wrote:SC, the absurdity of that statement in the first post of the game is going to lead to the outing that happened here, so its more or less a claim.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Going back and rereading since I have free time on my hands:
Explain all of the above.roflcopter wrote:
sure thing pal, here goesMuerrto wrote:Can you list his actions? I thought he was scummy because he HAD NO actions. That doesn't quite apply to me.
this is scummyVamparific wrote:argh i dont want to be on rofl's sideunvote
this is scummyVamparific wrote:vote:forbidden lighti agree with the others points
this is scummyVamparific wrote:
lol i keep screwing myself overIron Man wrote:
I also get the whole deal with Vamp. Seems really opprotunistic given his poting history.FoS Vamp.
More later.
I understand Muerrto replaced Vamparific, but your case is lopsided toward the replacee as opposed to the original player. This tells me nothing about why you thought Vamp was scummy for those posts before he was replaced. Is Muerrto scummier to you than Vamparific, as illogical as this question sounds?roflcopter wrote:
this is so scummy.Muerrto wrote:I like the Vig directing actually but I'd like it on IM because:
A. He's lurking as bad as Vamp and not contributing anything.
B. I wanna test the masons.
it says "my predecessor and this claimed mason are guilty of the same infraction. shoot him!"
this is especially scummy, since instead of accidentally hitting a power role you'd like the vig to purposefully hit a power roleMuerrto wrote:One dead mason instead of the Vig possibly accidently hitting a power role randomly is a good trade
except, you know, not shooting a masonMuerrto wrote:It's a good a use of the Vig as any
@muerrto: please respond to this point against your theory...
and this new one against your plan...rofl wrote:scum claiming masons wouldn't be so dumb if there weren't a serial killer in this open setup.
announcing in thread which mason you want vigged is a great way to let the scum know which one they won't be wasting a kill on (ie the other one) and convincing the vig to kill a mason is like the biggest gift you could possibly give the scum.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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There isn't one... yet *shifts eyes*forbiddanlight wrote:Hey, when is deadline anyway? seems we kinda died.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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