Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[Alabaska J]

Don't have a lot of time to post (don't worry I won't lurk but I won't be able to post over the weekend; already talked to xyzzy about it os I'm not lurking really) but what I do have time to say is this: babygirl86 and Mellowed Man seem EXTREMELY scummy. They both hammered ZS, if you think about it. Actually, I think babygirl86's post in which she voted Mellowed Man is an attempt to get her equally scummy partner lynched instead of her and clear herself of guilt b/c she was on s a scum lynch. Also, notice that we had two deaths last night, so we have an sk/vig among us. If I had to speculate, I would say we have a vig who hit Korts b/c they felt his activity was scummy day one. No reason for him to be killed by mafia IMO.

Personally, I am okay with a babygirl86 or Mellowed Man lynch today. It seems we are closer to a consensus on babygirl86, so

vote: babygirl86

.

More postage will come later, don't worry :p.

[Alabaska J]

If BG86 HAD read all the posts condemning mellow man, and hammered him anyway, it's pretty clear she felt what she was doing was right, and didn't give a crap what people thought. Protown imho.

I'm assuming you meant zombie, not mellow man. Also, Seeing as he was mason, I'm sure we could have coaxed him into claiming. I'm wouldn't be surprised if Zombie's animosity towards claiming comes from newbie games, where scum counterclaim often. I'm sure with a little logic and persuasion we could have easily gotten a claim from him. However, we got a hammer instead from babygirl86. It doesn't matter if she doesn't "give a crap" what other people think because she believes she is right; just because she believes she is right doesn't make her right. Also, how can you say her hammering is protown? It could easily be (and more probably is) scum jumping on an opportunity to hammer.

[Alabaska J]

When was mellowed man hammered then? Please enlighten me.

[Alabaska J]

I understand now. However, you're assuming she read those posts and didn't just see "oops I forgot to unvote well I'll do that now so we (the mafia) get a lynch on this sucker before he can claim/be convinced to claim." This is what I believe happened.


Never played a forum game with masons (that I know of; one of my on-goings may have some I guess but they haven't come up) but one thing is confusing me about the mason situation: how do we know there is another mason?

[Alabaska J]

But we aren't able to trust it now either…save a counterclaim situation we will end up with wifom.

[Alabaska J]

Hmmm yes with recent events in mind, especially the meta of babygirl86,

unvote

. Also, Mellowed Man's attack of babygirl86 for

lurking

when

much

scummier things have taken place IMO involving her reads to me as opportunistic scum jumping on a bandwagon without realizing what it is for b/c they haven't read the whole thread. This, paired with the fact he was the first to hammer ZS (please keep in my mind first post saying I would support a lynch of either before yelling anything stupid), and the fact he piqued of my scumdar on day a lot leads me to this action:

vote: Mellowed Man

. When I have more time, I will probably do a PBPA.

[Alabaska J]

Dammit what do we do? I'm thinking it could be gambit, but he has created an immense wifom. DX

[Alabaska J]

Yep same here with stat and AB DX

[Alabaska J]

Plus if he WAS a 1-shot vig, i could see alot of logic in him firing earlier rather than later.

I think quite the contrary. If you are one-shot, you should wait until you are closer to endgame and have more information so that you can use your kill more wisely. This makes his claim less legitimate IMO.

[Alabaska J]

Also,

prod ValientValent

.

[Alabaska J]

Lynch all liars.

[Alabaska J]

Are we really? Well, I'll give mellowed one more shot, though I'd like to somehow work out a way to prove his ability.

unvote, vote Riceballtail

. I love how he didn't even try to defend himself.

Also, if Mellowed is scum, I'm perfectly fine with a BM lynch.

[Alabaska J]

No, not of my choice. I would just like it if we can somehow confirm your ability in case you survive the night.

[Alabaska J]

How? He jumped everyone off of your lynch for the wrong (no, really) reasons! Now that you are not hammered, we can possibly prove your night ability. And you are not a guaranteed nightkill, as the mafia may just let you live, and because you don't die, you will be the top lynch target for many tomorrow. However if we can somehow prove your night ability, we can avoid any possible wifom situations tomorrow. And if you are scum, the fact BM jumped off of your lynch first chance he got without giving a good reason is an obvious scum connection for me.

Also, BM, your post makes no sense. There is an obvious connection between you and Mellowed Man if he comes up scum. And what is this business about setting up multiple lynches? How am I doing that any more than you are and how in the fucking world does this connect me to Mellowed Man?

Also, Marmalade, I'm really looking forward to even less content in your post. You're pretty good now with the whole posting-no-evidence thing, but I feel you could post even less reasoning. You know, a two-word post or something.

[Alabaska J]

Wrong. [hypothetical]You bussed your scumbuddy, he claims vig, makes a big show of being town, people kind of believe him, it turns out he was never lynched, then you change your mind about bussing him with his new claim and stance as a possibly confirmed townie, and jump on Riceballtail .[/hypothetical]

However, if neither of you are scum

which I am leaning towards

(there is a reason I am not voting either of you atm), then you just saved the vig. Congrats. Also, thank god for Riceballtail looking extremely scummy IMO.

Got it?

[Alabaska J]

Vote: Alabaska J

Unless you are telling me that somehow MM managed to tell that surye's vote didn't count when everyone though it did, there is no way I am not believing his claim, especially since it was made during "twilight". You trying to tie him as scum to other players reeks.

Dear god.

unvote, vote Evilgorrilaz

.

Think before you post. Did you even read what I said or did you see multiple votes on me, go to the first post in which I was voted, and copy-paste? BM did the exact same thing in response to me and he gets nothing. Obviously didn't read the thread. I'm not tying him to scum at all. I said if he comes up scum, I would look at BM. I never said I thought he was scum. I never said I thought BM was scum. Also, there is no way you can ever be sure of anyone's alignment in a situation like this. I too believe his claim, but because of the situation, if he happened to come up scum, I would look into BM.

@BM: You did save him. The

exact same thing happened day one

and the person was hammered soon afterwards. I'm sure something similar would have happened today had you not speedily unvoted.

One last thing:

unvote, vote Alabaska J

Right now, I don't trust certain people.

Can I have your babies please?

[Alabaska J]

I would look at BM. I never said I thought he [Mellowed Man] was scum. I never said I thought BM was scum.

if he happened to come up scum, I would look into BM

lolwut?
Whats with you?? You are so keen to emphasise that you arent attacking me now, and you dont find me atall scummy, but inexplicably, you will be after my hide if someone i unvoted comes up scum, when in fact, several people have unvoted-i was just the first on the scene.

Yes. I don't think you are scummy, but you will jump to the top of my list if Mellowed Man comes up scum because the interaction between you two at that point points to a possible scum connection. And yes several people unvoted. Also, several people had reasons. Not only were you "first on the scene," you had no reason to unvote.

Also, there is no way you can ever be sure of anyone's alignment in a situation like this.

No shit!

That's mafia kiddo. But i'm really not buying your defence. It seems like you attempted to push multiple lynches, then when called on it, realised you had over-committed yourself, and backtracked, with the clear intention of bringing it up later. I'm not having it.

How the fuck did I push multiple lynches? Where is this bs coming from? All I stated was that if Mellowed Man

ever

came up scum (whether from a nightkill or a situation that occurs later in the game that causes him to be lynched (counter-claim or something)), I would look into BM first, because of the actions that occurred at the point in time when Mellowed Man was about to be lynched.

@BM: You did save him. The

exact same thing happened day one

and the person was hammered soon afterwards. I'm sure something similar would have happened today had you not speedily unvoted.

Are you an advert for terrible townsmanship?
Anyone who hammered in the same situation is an idiot.
I'm serious when i say your attitude truly befuddles me.

Doesn't prevent it from happening. We have our fair share of idiots here at Mafia Scum.

One last thing:

unvote, vote Alabaska J

Right now, I don't trust certain people.

Can I have your babies please?

meh, i hate cradle-snatchers.

Unvote, Vote: Alabaska J

BM

Haha I meant somehow give birth to his children (even though I am a man). That is how in love with Mellowed Man I am after that post.

[Alabaska J]

I would look at BM. I never said I thought he [Mellowed Man] was scum. I never said I thought BM was scum.

if he happened to come up scum, I would look into BM

lolwut?
Whats with you?? You are so keen to emphasise that you arent attacking me now, and you dont find me atall scummy, but inexplicably, you will be after my hide if someone i unvoted comes up scum, when in fact, several people have unvoted-i was just the first on the scene.

Yes. I don't think you are scummy, but you will jump to the top of my list if Mellowed Man comes up scum because the interaction between you two at that point points to a possible scum connection. And yes several people unvoted. Also, several people had reasons. Not only were you "first on the scene," you had no reason to unvote.

WTF? Yes i did. I unvoted because he sounded genuine, and to some extent confirmed himself.

See, the problem with this is you didn't say that what when you posted. We can't read your mind, genius. You said could be a well-thought out gambit but that wasn't likely. Why isn't it likely? Also, I find it weird that you believe this, even though you claim to do the same thing when you are scum. I know you given some reasoning about new players, but I did something similar (although, I admit, not identical, but the scenario was different) in my very first game as scum.

Also, there is no way you can ever be sure of anyone's alignment in a situation like this.

No shit!

That's mafia kiddo. But i'm really not buying your defence. It seems like you attempted to push multiple lynches, then when called on it, realised you had over-committed yourself, and backtracked, with the clear intention of bringing it up later. I'm not having it.

How the fuck did I push multiple lynches? Where is this bs coming from? All I stated was that if Mellowed Man

ever

came up scum (whether from a nightkill or a situation that occurs later in the game that causes him to be lynched (counter-claim or something)), I would look into BM first, because of the actions that occurred at the point in time when Mellowed Man was about to be lynched.

thats pushing multiple lynches! And on poor grounds too, seeing as ANYONE town would have unvoted at that point. I'm sure you would claim to do the same, hence i find your attack grossly hypocritical.

No, it is not. Nowhere in this post do I advocate the lynch of Mellowed Man.

[Alabaska J]

You are encouraging simultaneous lynches on dodgy grounds. If you dont find 2 people atall scummy, why would you try so hard to tie them together?

ARG NO I AM NOT. Please tell me that SOMEONE in this thread understands what I am trying to say!

[Alabaska J]

More votes on Alabaska please.

Alabaska, I don't really see where you are going, it seems you are going aimlessly and don't have a point. You're certainly freaking out though.

Dear god. Don't get so cocky. And the only reason I'm "freaking out" is because I am frustrated at BM's inability to comprehend my statement.

[Alabaska J]

unvote

Here's what I want to do today. I want to work out a way to try and confirm Mellowed Man's role at night. In my opinion, the case against BM is only legit if Mellowed is scum. If Mellowed is scum, we have (IMO) two scums. If he is town, we move on. I feel both Mellowed and BM are posting scummily today BUT there is too much doubt in my mind to justify a lynch of either especially if there is a way out of the situation. Here's what I have worked out. I want everyone to look at this objectively before anyone thinks it would be a good idea to use this in any way, shape, or form to constitute my lynch. Also, I am open to ANY AND ALL suggestion. This plan is probably not perfect and if you can find anything wrong with it PLEASE SAY SO TO AVOID A MAJOR BACKFIRING THAT COULD FUCK US OVER.

First off, nolynch.
Second off, doc protects Mellowed.
Third off, Mellowed vigs a lurker of the town's choosing. Hopefully, we can analyze them well enough to pick scum, but even without a scum hit, we are (in my mind) confirming one townie and nearly confirming another. Also, knowing the replacement system here at MS, we may not ever hear from some of these people again and never have them replaced either.

The biggest flaw is that there could be no doc, but I doubt it seeing as doc is the most common role.

Thoughts, please? Also, please don't vote me in your first post after this one. I would like objective analysis before any wagons that may start as a result do so.


@The Fonz: Thank you for understanding what I said.

[Alabaska J]

Ahh the doc is dead. Nevermind.

Also, babygirl86 leaving like that seems very suspicious. Almost like she thought she was off the hook as scum and then someone came and voted her.

vote: evilgorrilaz

. I'm gonna put my old vote back on. Still think evil is scummy.

[Alabaska J]

I have been posting other things. Riceballtail is scummy, yes, but I feel evil is much more so because of his leechy vote on me. Also, sir, I am not deflecting shit off myself. Not only would that be utterly disgusting, but all I did was put my old vote back on when I realized that my plan was doomed to fail. Also, please point out what I am not reading, as I feel I have read everything, so I guess there must be a secret page that only certain people can access. Can you provide a link or something?

Also, @q21: Yes I suspected it. That's why I have put up with Mellowed Man's actions. However, Mellowed could have observed this fact also and used it against us. That is what makes it a possible gambit. Also, WIFOM.

[Alabaska J]

Well what are we doing today? Some want Rice, others want BG, I want Evilgorrilaz (who is now leaving :/). Can we have more discussion please?

[Alabaska J]

Vote: Alabaska J

Unless you are telling me that somehow MM managed to tell that surye's vote didn't count when everyone though it did, there is no way I am not believing his claim, especially since it was made during "twilight". You trying to tie him as scum to other players reeks.

This post is horrible. He essentially leeches BM's case without the context and understanding BM had. In addition, he previously (in fact in his previous post) supported me on having MM kill someone tonight to help prove his ability, but seemed to misinterpret the situation. It seriously looked like he leeched off my idea there. Also, he was one of the biggest pushers of the ZS lynch, where his only reason was the wifom comment. :/

[Alabaska J]

yeh Alabaska is scum. Fonz is just very foolish.

Love you and all your reasonings! Maybe post more explicitly to avoid making such sweeping generalizations as these.

[Alabaska J]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

[Alabaska J]

The thing is, BG didn't freak out under pressure in another game I was in with her. She calmly claimed cop, in a cheerful way...

I am willing to lynch Alabaska, or BG.

As if this post matters whatsoever…

Why not? Every post matters in one way or another.

Not this one. He has said the same thing at least three different times before. He is posting this to make it look like he is contributing a lot more than he actually is.

[Alabaska J]

It's not like you are contributing either. All you've done in the past week is say you want Evilgorillaz like 6 days ago, then say a few people are scummy (whom many people have, what a follower) and ask BM to post more detailed explanations of his votes, when you yourself are just sitting there, as if you are watching people argue with each other while you sit back, relax, and hope pressure moves off you.


What a scum.

unvote, Vote: Alabaska J

The fact that you are accusing people of not posting content, when you yourself are just the same or if not worse, is a scumtell.

Except that what you said i have posted is content. All you have done is post the same things over and over again. If you hadn't have claimed vig, I would be all over you for this OMGUS shit you are pulling.

[Alabaska J]

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

this post gives me terribly scummy vibes. Enough for a wagon at this stage.

BM

What the hell…looked like a harmless joke to me. I really am starting to dislike playing with you.

[Alabaska J]

I really don't understand why this comment is such a big deal. I could totally see that comment with a after it and its meaning wouldn't change for me at all. I mean, seeing as the comment was closer to an attack on me (if I had to frame it as such) than anyone else, and I don't see anything wrong with it. BM's play has just been off this whole game and while I see a major connection with him and the claimed vig I reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaally can't take it anymore.

unvote, vote: Battle Mage

. Please explain again what you see as scummy in the comment.

[Alabaska J]

The bit in italics is an example of why i cant take you seriously. If you think all this game is about is one big OMGUS match, there isnt alot more i can tell you. Except, try a few more newbie games before you take on the large un's.

WRONG. EPIC FAIL REREAD.

I never said anything about it being OMGUS at all. Also, I'm assuming, because The Fonz thinks that your analysis of the quote is off too, he should go back to newbie games?

[Alabaska J]

Is it just me, or is it a telling tell if it is hard to start a wagon on some guys who have more evidence against them, while it is really easy to start a huge wagon, leading to lynch -1 on someone else, who is not as scummy?

Why thank you Mellowed Man.

Also,

unvote, vote: q21

.

Opportunistic scum just got himself caught. It looks as though me and Bowel Movement over there might finally agree on something.

[Alabaska J]

Vanilla. Go town. Look into the BM-Mellowed Man connection for me tomorrow, will ya?

[Alabaska J]

Vanilla. Go town. Look into the BM-Mellowed Man connection for me tomorrow, will ya?

Ha. You are just trying to throw BM and me out as a pair, and are just saying "Hey I'm going to die, look at them tomorrow! HINT HINT LYNCH THEM AFTER I'M DEAD."

Nice job pleading your case..

That post makes no sense whatsoever…your connection is so obvious that I think you two should be lynched after I'm dead. What is anti-town about that?

Also, I've given up. That's why there is not more. The vote on q21 is genuine, but it looks opportunistic and scummy, and I don't think I can defend it adequately enough after rereading so

unvote

and hopefully we get something done correctly for tomorrow.

[Alabaska J]

I hate the "I've given up" defense. Lets end this.

Alright.

Vote: Alabaska J

[Alabaska J]

...what sort of idiot self-votes?

There is no role in the game but a Jester that should EVER self vote. It's equivelent to throwing a fit like a baby.

If he didn't want to play, he should have asked to be replaced.

Rather not strain the replacement queue, thank you very much. I saved you the time until an inactive stopped by to hammer.


Good night, and good luck.

[Alabaska J]

I don't think BM's unvote counts, as it was in a quote technically…

[Alabaska J]

i think i've seen scum self-hammer, or at least approve of their own lynch.

I've seen this happened. Happened with Drunken Piper in an ongoing I'm in. Totally different situation, though, as he claimed scum.

Face to Face Mafia i hammered myself as a vanilla townie, with the intention of making a statement (that the people i thought were scum, should be lynched). Not sure it worked, but that was the idea.

Quite ironic BM of all people understands what I did. First time for everything, I suppose.