Mafia 79 - "The Amish Mafia" GAME OVER... WHO WON?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Hi there. 'Lay, so, I'm going to open my posting in this game with a

vote: babygirl86

, on account of her lack of an explanation for her hammer on Zombie yesterday, plus teh generally lurkerish way she appears to have played the game so far. She's the scummiest player here, in my estimation.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Point out to me exactly where you actually made a case against Zombie. Or indeed mentioned him before voting for him. Or did anything other than jump on a wagon without explanation. Then decide to post genuine content other than filler on the rare occasions you post. I mean, it's okay to be too busy to post often as long as you actually help. You aren't.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Classic "scum giving up after failing to lurk to victory".

[DizzyIzzyB13]

BG is definitely scum. Why not just lynch her? I mean, there's no point keeping her around, she's run away and may not get replaced for a while, so it's not like we're going to develop new informtation from her. Lynch her, and move on.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Based on prior interaction with Evil, he does appear fairly scummy even when he's town. Based on that experience, his behaviour does appear somewhat consistent with his town behaviour. I'd need more than has been presented to consider a lynch on him, and even then, he's being replaced, the manner of which is really quite different from BG's (note the politeness opposed to BG's rage in his replacement request). BG's little hissyfit screams scum giving up far, far more than Evil's.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Surely we'd want him to die loudly so we can use his noise to track his buddies?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Personally, reading D1, my biggest suspect was VV. I was amazed that he wasn't lynched, but I suppose the ZS wagon had already picked up a full head of steam.

Bonus points to Marmalade--- He looked pretty fairly scummy to me D1, too. I have a specific post in mind, but now I've forgotten which. DizzyIzzy replaces in and keeps pushing the (long stalled) babygirl wagon.

Babygirl's hammering of ZS was stupid, but I don't think it was a scumtell--- He said he wouldn't claim, he had been acting irrational and scummy, and personally if I had been in the game, I'd have lynched him too. The only defense he had would have been "If he was scum, why is he acting so scummy?" And I *hate* Too Townie / Too Scummy. Not to mention the fact that Mellow obviously thought he had hammered. Which brings us to...

I don't necessarily believe the vig claim, but there's no reason to act on it today. I think the double NK is at least more indicative of a serial killer--- Neither of the NKs were strong scum suspects Day 1, but this has already been pointed out. The fact that he changed his claim when he thought he was dead is significant--- if he thought he was dead, he had no reason to try and keep up any pretenses of still being pro-town.

I don't like Alabasta's (clearly flawed for many well-noted reasons) plan to nolynch. At this point in the game, Nolynch is not the right call. Hell, lynching anyone would give us more information than a no-lynch. Nolynch would only serve to give the scum another kill. (Two if we have an SK instead of a vig, or MM really is a vig who just can't stop freaking killing townies) Some of Alabaska's stuff has come across as pointlessly angry and overdefensive.

Anyway, my gut tells me that the scum are DizzyIzzy, and Alabaska, at the very least.

Unvote, if necessary. Vote: DizzyIzzy, FOS: Alabaska

Is there a vote count?

Wait... why are you voting for me again? All you mentioned was that I voted for BG, and I think I esplained why I did that in the post where I voted for her.

Also, I'd hazard a guess we're more likely in multiple scum territory than vig territory, based on the phrasing of the townie win condition and experience from other Xyzzy modded games.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Why? Maximum content from scum is desirable as it increases the likelihood that they will make mistake and provide links to their fellow scum.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

yeh Alabaska is scum. Fonz is just very foolish.

Love you and all your reasonings! Maybe

post more explicitly

to avoid making such sweeping generalizations as these.

*resists urge to post pornographic image*

No, but srsly, its pretty obvious you are scum. Just die quietly so we can get on with finding your buddies, please.

BM

Given his response to what I posted, to me this vaguely reads as BMscum telling Alabaskascum to keep his mouth shut so as not to implicate his scum buddies. Meh. I could be reading more into it than there is, but I'm considering the possibility.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

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Why not let Izzy answer?

Izzy, was your comment total BS for the sake of humour, or was it a genuine suggestion on how the town should behave?

Well, it was certainly phrased in order to be amusing and that was the primary motivation for the comment, but it also reflects my personal opinion that forcing content from scum is always a good idea, whether they're bluffing, lying or telling the truth.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

That would be L-1, correct? And Alabaska hasn't claimed, has he? I believe that makes it CLAIM OR DIE time, no?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

...what sort of idiot self-votes?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

RBT's defence is weak. Coug's case is pretty good and I agree with mr. incrediball's assessment. I think a

vote: RBT

is in order.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Day1: He posted 5 times in a day. He took a very defensive stance, and I found it scummy when it was very random at that stage of the game.

I'll buy that.

Day2: I would say that it could easily have been seen as weak reasoning, but I find it frustrating when people act that way. You seem to be picking pretty hard with making that a big case of it. Her play was very scummy, so why do you call my reasoning weak?

You only said it "seems scummy" and that "she's earned the lynch". Nowhere in the post I'm getting this from do you explain your thinking.

Day3:See all my reasoning from D2. There was already a strong case, and I'd pointed it out then. This is a bad justification. D3 didn't have a lot of discussion, it was mostly decided from D2 he was the lynch of the day if there weren't two kills.

That's great, but my primary concern with you about Day 3 was your activity. Pop in, vote, pop out. That's all you did.

VOTE:Coug

, you only have a decent case from D1, and that's still a bit of a reach.

Welcome to OMGUS land.

Hah. It's not as OMGUSucky as claiming that mr. incrediball had been trying to set him up all game long.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Just posting quickly to let people know that my activity is going to be sketchy for a little while, due to a serious family illness.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Vote:DizzyIzzy

Have at you, scum!

Explain your vote, please.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

#470 had far less to do with the actual "Die quietly" remark than the fact that BM's ridiculous response to a flippant (and strategically correct, btw) comment I made about his "Die queitly" comment, that made me wonder why he over-reacted and lead to a possible conclusion, that I've never moved beyond a suspicion that it could be interpreted as coaching. if 470 is all you have, then you have nothing and a laughably weak case against me.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

What's the vote count at the moment?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

That is a good question, but you should vote for RBT anyway.

I'm pretty sure I'm voting for him already.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I'm leaving my vote on RBT (I think...) until (s)he explains in much greater detail why he made those choices.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

That way leads to huge piles of WIFOM, killa seven. Huge piles.

Piles of wine? How would that even work?

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Well, this is a nice little trap the scum have concocted - there's no actual case against me I can defend against because there simply isn't one to make and nobody's actually tried to build a proper case against me, and there's a wagon gathering steam because people want to move on with the day. Claiming won't help me, because unless I fakeclaim, I have to claim vanilla townie which nobody will believe even if they did believe the suspicious nurse claim that still hasn't been properly explained.

I suggest when someone makes the mistake of hammering me instead of, y'know, scum, you take a good hard look at StrangerCoug, who's the one who's engineering this situation where I can't defed myself with his vote and tried to distance himself by saying he's only trying to apply pressure, RBT because of his suspicious claim that lacks credibility because of his refusal to explain his decision and whoever ends up hammering, 'cause they'll just annoy me.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Oh, I understand the motives, it's just a shame you couldn't pick scum instead of me. Just make sure you pay attention to the people I mentioned in my last post when I come up town, since I'm feeling helpful.