Justified
@Aristo: Does shortening names, such as the RR frequently used for our hydra(though I guess that will be confusing with rat around too) count, or do you want some special awesome nicknames?
-Cerb
Justified
Indeed. TBH, it seems quite improbable that this particular hydra doesn't end up shot sooner rather than later. I'd reserve worrying about them for lylo, or a day out if you're really concerned.In post 186, The Wood Cutters wrote:Not really seeing as how our plan is to get nightkilled.In post 174, Scott and Ramona wrote:Ruby! We can worry about Ruby later.
Seconded. RC is quite capable of being very anti-town, as town, in my limited experience. Simply their posting style alone is arguably anti-town...so that argument really doesn't hold any water.In post 197, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know full well that this is not true.anti-town RC is scum!RC.
I don't need detailed reasons, but an answer of gut, meta, or other, would be helpful.In post 193, The Wood Cutters wrote:And we've told you repeatedly you're not likely to get them.In post 177, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have asked repeatedly for reasons to be given.
Interesting. So you don't believe there's town motivation in strongly pushing a scum read, and demanding answers for the reasons behind that read? What part of this behavior, exactly, do you find anti-town, with no town motivations? Is it just that he's insisting on getting answers before moving on to new topics?In post 209, Sappho wrote:That's how I was taught to read him by Nahds.In post 201, Reasonably Rational wrote:Seconded. RC is quite capable of being very anti-town, as town, in my limited experience. Simply their posting style alone is arguably anti-town...so that argument really doesn't hold any water.In post 197, RadiantCowbells wrote:You know full well that this is not true.anti-town RC is scum!RC.
Do you have some reason to believe that Saph?
-Cerb
It hasn't failed me yet.
Look for town motivation in the anti-town. If you don't see it, he's scum.
If RC were trying to read me, he would have bounced reads with me. He's not trying to read me and I am notoriously easy to read.
I don't have limited time, not really, really just depends on whether or not I'm going to focus on this game, and I already asked Drixx if I could just phone it in and he said no.In post 210, Scott and Ramona wrote:How would gut be helpful if they aren't going to explain what's giving them said gut feeling? How would meta be helpful if you're not very familiar with either of them and have limited time?In post 203, Reasonably Rational wrote:I don't need detailed reasons, but an answer of gut, meta, or other, would be helpful.In post 193, The Wood Cutters wrote:And we've told you repeatedly you're not likely to get them.In post 177, RadiantCowbells wrote:I have asked repeatedly for reasons to be given.
-Cerb
- Scott
Umm, no. I already determined that it's almost certainly not role related. If it were, you wouldn't have started out the game with random townreads that would draw attention to the connection. The only question is whether some meta thing like you pointed out would be used to explain it later on, or if it would just be waved away as a gut read...or possibly a tell that they'd refuse to give us more information on.In post 227, Sappho wrote:Your method was essentially what RC was doing but in a manner that didn't come across as exactly that. You were trying to get us to state whether it was role related just as much as RC was. You just didn't want it to look that way, is what I read from your post.In post 217, Reasonably Rational wrote:To answer the question though...it's more a matter of forcing some sort of reason for the stance, in order to nail them to a limited array of explanations when, as they inevitably will, they end up explaining this townread in detail. It will also allow me to decide how much weight to give the read.
I don't. I wasn't going to actually listen to your reads, I wanted to know how much to expect out of you in terms of justification for it.In post 267, RadiantCowbells wrote:Ftr I do find DrixRus asking about my certainty in my read quite odd because my understanding was neither of them respected my reads very much, particularly not hellhound.
I call him Drixxy Drixx, which I think is cutesy enough that Aristo should let it fly.In post 298, The Wood Cutters wrote:It's okay just call him something generic like Dr. Doom.In post 290, The Wood Cutters wrote:FUCKIn post 289, The Wood Cutters wrote:you said drixx was an easy read in sitechatIn post 288, RadiantCowbells wrote:What's my thing?
(And no Dr. Doom that's not a name I choose out of a scumread on you I'd call you Dr. Doom even if you were my strongest townread just because it's the name I thought of for calling your something. Your name doesn't exactly nick very well unlike Cerb.)
You should really stop fishing. The probability of you having our role is basically nil. I don't believe it could be worked into a scum role. Since we have the role, it therefore follows logically that you are mistaken in an assumption you made. And stop fishing.In post 304, The Wood Cutters wrote:Btw.In post 296, The Wood Cutters wrote:Oh I know you well enough to know you're not lying about your roleclaim here.In post 284, Reasonably Rational wrote:To the sane among you: I just now had a chance to talk to Cerb about our role and I feel that we should claim a little: We have negative utility built into our role. Targeting us will never return information about us. It's not ascetic and it has a really weird name.
But I flat-out am basically counterclaiming you here and think this is you having the scum counterpart to our role.
THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE ARE FLATOUT COUNTERCLAIMING THE LOGICAL DUO.
I do not think that our roles coexist in the town.
So vote the logical duo.
Umm. That RC was suspicious of Saph's and TWC's mutual townreads due to prior experience with scum play on the part of at least one of them, where they showed a propensity to defend their scumbuddies.In post 311, Dioscuri wrote:Whats your current understanding of it currently?In post 307, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Ali: Pretty sure Chansey was the nickname they were using for part of the huge fight? So me asking who the fuck chansey is is me trying to figure out what the fight is about...
-Cerb
Dunno. He was probably just going to ignore you(because as he said, there's essentially no chance you could actually counterclaim us from what little we claimed, particularly given how unique our role is, and how it's more than what he claimed, but the relevant NU part is what he claimed), then decided to respond when you doubled down on the drivel.In post 339, The Wood Cutters wrote:The contents of what Dr. Doom quoted were present in the original quote.
I can't quite find the right word for that but.
Basically.
Everything that Dr. Doom responded to in 306 was present in 296. 305 was responding to 296, whereas 306 was responding to the later 304. So the question becomes--why didn't Dr. Doom respond to the contents of our roleclaim in 305? Why did he wait until 306 to do so, which was him responding to a separate post?
I have quirks in how I process and respond to things. Interestingly ... I am pretty certain anyone who actually knows me well can read me on those quirks. I'm relatively certain that you should have already seen a town tell that I dropped specifically for you to catch. As always, I play things close early and observe and start to sketch out a framework for each player. It's a lot faster when I'm in hydra with Cerbypuff because we have remarkably similar methods of thinking and we can get a lot done.In post 346, Reasonably Rational wrote:Dunno. He was probably just going to ignore you(because as he said, there's essentially no chance you could actually counterclaim us from what little we claimed, particularly given how unique our role is, and how it's more than what he claimed, but the relevant NU part is what he claimed), then decided to respond when you doubled down on the drivel.In post 339, The Wood Cutters wrote:The contents of what Dr. Doom quoted were present in the original quote.
I can't quite find the right word for that but.
Basically.
Everything that Dr. Doom responded to in 306 was present in 296. 305 was responding to 296, whereas 306 was responding to the later 304. So the question becomes--why didn't Dr. Doom respond to the contents of our roleclaim in 305? Why did he wait until 306 to do so, which was him responding to a separate post?
He didn't tell me his reasoning though. so, that's just what I'm assuming.
-Cerb
This is the first useful post I've seen for sorting you. In 24-48 hours I expect a follow up and your thoughts.In post 358, Radical Rat wrote:As for Fluffy? I'm not really sure. Idk what feud's going on between Drixxtreme and anitsam, but I was planning on letting that play out to help me read both slots.
No it's not a scum claim to tell people to use their heads and not be stupid. Furthermore, I always talk to people as if they are town until I'm certain they aren't. It's like a trademark of my play. You can go to any of my games and see me talking to everyone as if I believe they are town. I also very rarely give reads lists. Those things are both done for the same purpose: I see no utility in telling someone I think they're scum until I'm ready. The best example of this is SU1 where we spent weeks pretending that we had a town read on Titus while we made the case against her and followed the trail to one of her partners.In post 371, The Wood Cutters wrote:Yeah ^this is flat-out a scumclaim.In post 362, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also, FWIW: We're in two different hoods because our flavor counts as two different categories I guess. I very strongly suspect that Ari had a huge laugh with the flavor for us. The people in those hoods should really STFU about them and their composition. It seems likely there is at least one scum in each, so by all means be prudent. What you shouldNOTdo is say shit in this main thread which will make it explicitly clear who is in which neighborhood.
Why, you ask? Well ... let's say we rope scum in a neighborhood and then have sound reason to believe the others in the hood are town. It then becomes a huge asset if used properly. It also then forces scum to choose from among bad choices. If I could gift one thought process that Cerbypuff and I share to everyone who plays mafia, it would be the thought process of always maximizing utility any way you can.
What's there to assume?In post 362, Reasonably Rational wrote:Also ... LOL @ you assuming I'm town reading you.
The language you've used makes it pretty damn unambiguous that you're calling me town! Want me to quote it all for you for the whole world to see? You even have it in this very post, I don't even need to go to your prior posting but it's there too!
You're treating me as town when if you were town you'd have no reason to.
But yes the PT is available any time we're not playing. <3
Read my previous post. I put a clock on our life because of whatever bug you have up your ass. Time to move on.In post 398, The Wood Cutters wrote:Ah. Would this be because in the PT I described why to lynch the logical duo first?In post 395, The Wood Cutters wrote:you're lucky today, thank mastina, tomorrow you're dead thoIn post 393, The Wood Cutters wrote:We both know this is a lie?In post 387, Dioscuri wrote:You have 0 idea on how to read me
VOTE: reasonable dude
Sorry for killing your steam.
I do think DIO is scum tho for what it's worth so your push thereisgood.
It's just my scumread on the logical duo is stronger AND I have more reason to think they are a better lynch today.
That's not accurate, and it's shitty of you to say it when you have no personal experience with the relationship in question.In post 404, The Wood Cutters wrote:So Trix are for kids has a hate boner for mastina, cool
This. There's not hate. There's hurt. It's two very different things.In post 406, Reasonably Rational wrote:That's not accurate, and it's shitty of you to say it when you have no personal experience with the relationship in question.In post 404, The Wood Cutters wrote:So Trix are for kids has a hate boner for mastina, cool
-Cerb
The problem here is her "read" (if you guys are actually town) is incorrect. This will be confirmed to the game. In the face of that hard claim, pushing forward is absurd and reckless.In post 408, The Wood Cutters wrote:It's not gonna matter brochacho, it's not going to affect her read as it started from your first postIn post 407, Reasonably Rational wrote:@masthead(which I don't like as a name, but whatever): You do realize the spoilered stuff Drixx posted has absolutely nothing to do with our alignment, and he'd say the same thing no matter what right?
-Cerb
You might want to rethink that position in light of my previous post.In post 415, The Wood Cutters wrote:Of course you don't!In post 409, Reasonably Rational wrote:I don't make claims lightly and I certainly don't claim to the point where I explicitly say that there will be absolutely no question that we're town, mechanically.
These are also not things you say exclusively as town and it's a flat-out lie to pretend they are!
You weigh claiming carefully. This I do not deny. But this is something you do as both alignments. You say you will be town mechanically. This is a claim you would make as either alignment and I have good reason to doubt it. You have partially roleclaimed. You have not fullclaimed, and as such it is possible I am mistaken, this I do not deny. But off of everything I have to go on right now.
I have absolutely every reason to believe this is you claiming, but as scum.
I'm not sure it IS a TvT. I'm leaning more towards it being Masthead playing to her meta in how she always irrationally reads us as scum (and has only ever been correct once). It's exactly what I would expect scum!Masthead to do in order to make us think she is town. At first there wasn't enough to think that, but at this point she's done enough cherry picking and selective responding to only things that fit in with her meta with regards to us that it is at least slightly more likely that the slot is scum than town.In post 422, Dioscuri wrote:Drixby can you remind me what makes you think this isn't a TvT?
pedit: Cowbells you sure you don't want Woodchuck right now?
and of course Gin's order is different, she thinks she can read me but tbh I don't think we've ever been town together in a long long time.
And here I was about to blow up on her.
pedit2: VOTE: Scott
kinda wanna see where this takes me.
Cowbells what do you think of Rat?
Time to start believing. We are indeed IC. If you are actually masons and not just mad scrambling at this point, I'm going to be even more mad at you. Bad enough that you pushed me to out us in the first 24 hours, but then you out a mason pair?In post 431, The Wood Cutters wrote:Fuckit.In post 427, Dioscuri wrote:I have a good reason to believe masons don't exist in this game.
I'll claim.
Sorry Ginngie, Nacho, and my lovelies but this is obvious enough anyway.
We are masons with Sapphire.
And I flat-out.
Do.
not.
believe.
That Ari gives the town three conftown like that.
Like almost every other time I've seen IC used, it has a condition and cannot be used on day one. If it could, I would have just popped it already and rubbed Masthead's nose all in it like you rub a puppy's nose in their shit when they shit on the carpet.In post 444, Dioscuri wrote:Drixby this is the part where you reveal your IC.
Fuck off, you know scum!me is perfectly capable of constructing a fucking reason to vote for you if I gave a shit about that. This is a matter of principle. I lack the words to describe just how much your behavior aggravates me.In post 733, The Wood Cutters wrote:"voting out of annoyance instead of a scum read tends to come from scum"In post 723, Reasonably Rational wrote:VOTE: TWC
This isn't leaving, unless drixx can come up with some very good reason why it should. I fucking loathe hydra play like that. It's the sort of behavior that make people not want to play with hydras, and I'd rather not play with you if you're going to be like that.
-Cerb
:3
I know I was talking to masthead ginnheadIn post 737, The Wood Cutters wrote:mastina has been talking to you about signing posts lmfaoIn post 729, Reasonably Rational wrote:Because the other head has been. That means theres a clear, discernible difference between the two of you, that is implicit in your posts and their signature or lack thereof, rather than being reliant upon the readers ability to recognize each individuals posting style.
You're also less of an arrogant <insert expletive here> than mastin, so there's that too.
-Cerb
:3
Dude, we all agree on everything main thread, anything we don't it's a PT matter. You're just being overdramatic.
Fair point, I'm not REALLY mad, but I do 100% believe in my point and the principle of the matter here, and unfortunately the only fucking thing I can do to try to get you to sign is vote for you.. So, that's what I'm doing. *shrug*In post 741, The Wood Cutters wrote:okay cerb, you told me in RFB you faked showing emotion in mafia games so people didn't think you were souless lmao, so you getting mad is petty?In post 736, Reasonably Rational wrote:Fuck off, you know scum!me is perfectly capable of constructing a fucking reason to vote for you if I gave a shit about that. This is a matter of principle. I lack the words to describe just how much your behavior aggravates me.In post 733, The Wood Cutters wrote:"voting out of annoyance instead of a scum read tends to come from scum"In post 723, Reasonably Rational wrote:VOTE: TWC
This isn't leaving, unless drixx can come up with some very good reason why it should. I fucking loathe hydra play like that. It's the sort of behavior that make people not want to play with hydras, and I'd rather not play with you if you're going to be like that.
-Cerb
:3
-Cerb
Also I'm going to pull a nacho here and say it's really pointless to argue about signing posts. What we need to do is get back to the game and actually discuss it, rather than a few characters.
we can earn producktivity points
I'm not tunneled at all. As a matter of fact, I spent the night phase defending the TWC slot againstIn post 749, Sappho wrote:We are masons with TWC.In post 717, Reasonably Rational wrote:TWC claimed to be masons with Sappho(which hasn't been publicly, explicitly confirmed by Sappho as being true, but I expect them to agree with it regardless)
Very publicly.
Very explicitly.
Masons.
Confirmed town to each other by the moderator.
As in.
"You know that TWC is aligned with the town."
Green letters.
...Is that clear enough?
Now. I haven't read the thread and won't have time to until maybe late in the day but quite frankly... you need to retreat to the hydra PT and talk to Drixxypoo a whole motherlicking lot because the point where you start raging at a slot for not signing its posts is the point where you should recognize how far gone you are; you're tunneled beyond anything that is reasonable right now.
I read that as her(correctly, BTW), assuming that I would give her good advice regardless of my alignment. I want nothing more than for Yume to succeed in her goals and to grow as a player.In post 779, Dioscuri wrote:There is some progression on some posts you made in hood that I have 0 understanding of.
I don't how you go from "Cerby tell me what to do the following days." to "I scumread Cerby because of paranoia."
Oh? So what's going on with me?In post 787, Dioscuri wrote:I know what is going on with Cerby
And all I have to say on that matter Cerby isprepare for unforseen consquences.
As for Paddy and you, yeah I hope you two get cleared that would make my job easier because my plans were to just bomb the everliving shit out of Paddy.
In post 781, Dioscuri wrote:pls break my neckIn post 780, Torque wrote:no, karen
we're killing cerb's slot if he doesnt do the thing today
we can screw with ruby after
~T
~T
In post 786, Varsoon wrote:R&R claimed an IC they can't use.
I used an ability that should be able to clear both Paddy and I, but part of the effect is that I do not know exactly what Paddy got and how it is rendered, if that makes any sense.
I find this objectionable. We weren't asked if we wanted to release the mafia thread or not, for example. If people want to talk shit in private about people, they should grow up and be adults and stand by their shit talk when the game is over instead of be two faced and ask the mod to perpetuate their bullshit. If you won't say it to the person then don't say it at all. Cowards.In post 1690, Aristophanes wrote:Mafia, Dead, and Mod PTs are being released now. Review Thread too.
Any other hoods will not be released until the duration of the "N5" timer runs out. If you would not like it released, please say so.I already have some requests for that, and thus will not be releasing them all.
I did what?In post 1691, Yume wrote:I will remember that for the future, and I guess this is our formal goodbye, since Drixxy retired.
Umm... anyone who would call this setup balanced lacks the ability to reason.In post 1702, Aristophanes wrote:Drixx, I see what you're saying. I had originally wanted to have Cannibal and RB work at the same time, and had Rad Rat as not expiring but still 1-shot, but that was deemed too much power.
Check out the review thread if you like!
Yeah the thing is ... Cerb asked you that, and he would ask you that regardless of alignment. So viewing that as a scum tell then just becomes a matter of probability and you would be wrong way more than right, over a large sample size. Of course,In post 1715, RadiantCowbells wrote:If it helps I was lying about lying about not being sure that you were scum when I did.In post 1698, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Mastin - Please quote the post and explain exactly how you were certain our slot was scum from a post by Cerb on the first page. I'm setting aside the fact that you expressed the same certainty about at least one other slot and were wrong, as I'm sure you'll have some excuse for why you were really right. It had better be one hell of an explanation since you went so far as to lie and claim masons to try and get us lynched. (You might also explain why you no longer were so sure when we died). Seriously expecting a substantive response to this.
I just wanted you to vote with me. I super agree that you asking how strongly I believe in my read was a scumclaim.
0.) You seem to be intentionally ignoring the very direct single thing I asked of you.In post 1753, mastina wrote:Subject: Cutsie UPick: Dead PTBecause I wasn't lying! I was just HALF-lying. In that at the time I knew TWC wasn't masons (obv) but I knew SAPPHO were masons. Because I knew Sappho were masons, I knew that it was unlikely for there to be masons + Innocent Child. I mislead, but I didn't really lie.Cerberus v666 wrote:Mastin lied about being fucking conftown to try to force through our lynch on D1. Wtf is that?
For real. There couldn't actually be some reasonable critique or questioning of the goddess mastina, amirite?In post 1754, Ginngie wrote:Scum are always salty when mastina does her gambits
Must be nice to be in the clique where Mastin doesn't attack you all the time ever.In post 1785, Ginngie wrote:Yes.In post 1783, Reasonably Rational wrote:For real. There couldn't actually be some reasonable critique or questioning of the goddess mastina, amirite?
When I originally read the review topic, the final role info for Randomidget did not (in my memory) have aIn post 1787, Ginngie wrote:THERE WASN'T AN IC SO HOW IS THAT WRONG LMFAOIn post 1783, Reasonably Rational wrote:and your speculation that there would be no IC was wrong.
I have a gut response typed to this. I am going to go use the washroom and enjoy a nice long shower and come back. It is deeply mean spirited (at the very least) for you to throw that at us. I'm going to just go chill for a bit and come back and see if there's some misunderstanding here, but I don't think there is.In post 1784, mastina wrote: I don't have a GREAT grasp on how to make winning plans in that they are always, 100% of the time, with a crucial flaw that keeps them from being as good as I wanted.