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Hmm, after a 2nd thought, not really, but you must be have 'some role', didn't know a good one or a bad one. I'llDrunken Piper wrote:Oh an easy wagon this early on page two.
Because a guy rhymes it must be a scum clue?Unvote, still unsure which one for now.
LOL, keeping your vote for such a reason...Thanatos wrote:
It's not Iambic until every line is 10 Syllables. Until he starts posting in that, I'll keep my vote on him unless it becomes a detrement to the town in someway, or one of us dies.kabenon007 wrote:And my contributions to this game stop here... just kidding... I am impressed with Drunken Piper's iambic pentameter however... I hope Thanatos keeps his vote on him the whole game... It would amuse me...
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I have decide, Korlash you will always be my scum, just help me, please, to lynch your scum mate, okay...
Huh? Where? Zhao, you phail...Zhao wrote:
Flip-flopping on SensFan are you? I guess your next step is to distance yourself from him. Try not to be to obvious.Phate wrote:Thanatos gets major props and anunvote.
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But:Phate wrote:Ok, on a more serious note: I think that at least one unpowered role should claim right now.
Then, if we lynch someone with a role, on N1 the role-reopener can reopen it and the role-switcher can switch the roles of the dead person and the unpowered.
1. If an unpowered that claim at day 1 is a townie and not murdered at night 1, he/she (has a high possibility) would be murdered at night 2 with his/her new power.
2. If an unpowered that claim at day 1 is a scum, then mafia will secure a power that may benefit the townie and still free to kill or perform his new Role night action (not both) whichever The Mafia think when they discuss would be best.
The Role-Switcher might be a mafia or sk though... and ready to mixed-up our minds X.XPhate wrote:Also, I think we should agree on a list of the most valuable roles, from least to greatest, so as to work toward the most potent distribution of roles. I'd set them like so:
Role-Switcher (the one who's able to set this all up)
Role-Reopener (without the reopener, the role-switcher's kind of useless)
Cop
Doc
Roleblocker (incidentally, since we're going to have so many night actions, the blocker shouldn't block anyone unless they're sure the person they're blocking is scum. *bad thought* Gah, I hope the scum don't have the RB, that'd fuck this whole plan to hell.)
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I don't know, I don't really like this a -one unpowered- claim idea (I may consider at day 2, depends on the situation).
No, mafia don't need at least one of them to be unpowered, a powered scum still may kill by discarding his role action.Phate wrote:@Than - yep. Completely right. But the scum are still at a big disadvantage: at least one of themneedsto be unpowered, or their night action is useless, cuz they have to send in a nightkill. Whereas we'll have full use of all of our roles.
Well...Personally, I'd rather have a scum-super-lucky-lynch at day 1 and luckily-succeed-guessing someone's role (which is a rare occasion, that's why I still can accept your eagerness about this, sigh...).Phate wrote:Thanatos - The most valuable thing the town has in its favour is the powerroles. Powerroles are better for town than they are for scum. Personally, I'd rather have everyone be a powerrole than have everyone's roles be uncertain. I think a game in which all players are powerroles is good for town, especially because most of the powerroles don't benefit scum, but they do benefit town. I mean, look at the alternative: our powerroles are just lost forever? I mean barring the rolemanipulators, our most powerful roles are cop and doc. Neither do the scum ANY good.
A doc role could do the scum SOMETHING good, there's an sk, remember...? (Please explain, if I'm wrong)
SK may do both.Phate wrote:Speaking of which, this whole deal is even sweeter when you consider the SK. The SK is incapable of using any role, period (unless he doesn't want to kill, but I don't find that particularly likely). So any power tacked onto him is completely useless, and therefore neutral for town.
How about:Phate wrote:
It will consist entirely ofThis plan of yours really does not begin until tomorrow... So... Yeah... What does your plan include for today if I may ask?
Day 1
A.) One vanilla claiming (check)
B.) When the end of the day approaches, I'll remind the role reopener to target the dead person if the dead person had a power.
C.) When the end of the day approaches, I'll remind the role switcher to target the vanilla and the dead person if the dead person had a power.
Day 1
A.) Finding and lynch the scummiest player, and luckily indeed the scum himself.
B.) Will automatically reduce a possibility scum have more power by successfully lynched one of their member.
C.) Let the role reopener to target the dead person if the dead person had a power. Etc...
I guess the scum won't mind to kill the same role again if that role incidentally a cop, why take a chance let an innocents cop alive, as long as they got another towniePhate wrote:What we're basically doing is making sure that everytime they kill a town powerrole, we resurrect it. Someone, Than, I think, mentioned that we're giving them too much info, I disagree. Because the people we're giving powers will have been vanilla before, so we don't lose anything. They'll either have to waste kills killing the same role again, or strike out randomly trying to get one of the role manipulators.reduced.
The problem is, how can we be sure that whoever claim that he/she is a vanilla townie is indeed the plain innocents...Phate wrote:And it's necessary for the vanilla townie to claim so the roleswitcher doesn't accidentally move it onto someone with a better power. Imagine if the role-switcher accidentally switched a dead power with the reopener, for example.
Luls...kabenon007 wrote:I'm keeping my eye on Holy, who has yet to put forth any effort into posting using holy scripture... disappointment...
"then hear from heaven and act. Judge between your servants, condemning the guilty and bringing down on his own head what he has done. Declare the innocent not guilty, and so establish his innocence."
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Damn, after a re-read, why the hell your idea seems good enough to try... but only if the doc really pro-town that this whole plan would apply nicely.Phate wrote:Of course, it will never get that far because eventually one of the role manipulators will die, but look at it this way: we have the equivalent of a doctor that works on roles. So if they do shoot the former vanilla, that means we're forcing them to hit the vanillas. How much easier do you think this game would be if scum were forced to kill all the vanillas first?
If doc saved the unpowered claimer from day 1, and mafia target him/her then mafia failed the murder.
If mafia afraid fail the murder, the unpowered claimer from day 1 survived at least at night 1. But, again... at 2nd night there's a high probability this the first night survival will be murdered because the doc save another unpowered claimer from day 2.
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Nahhh, knowing a vanilla won't automatically make them murder the vanilla, knowing a vanilla means a bigger chance finding and murder a power role (that's a smart mafia would do), hard job for the doc to guess the right rescue.Korlash wrote:Look if no one said anything then the mafia would do as I said, and kill the vanilla. While the doc would protect it. Thus making he plan completely awesome!!! Now that it has been said... it has all gone down the crapper.. so to speak...
But, after that vanilla gain power from the dead (known power because it was from the dead player) and for an example coincidentally it was a dead cop would make that former-vanilla the scum choice to murder at night 2.
If the role-switcher is murdered at night 1, your plan froze.Phate wrote:Oh, and note: My plan doesn't have "flaws." My plan has a "tradeoff" that is "beneficial" for "town."-
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This is the 2nd time he fails.Zhao wrote:Hey Sensfan, your buddy Phate is taking alot of flak for this plan, aren't you going to speak up? As the original proponent of it, I would have expect more discussion from you. You've haven't mentioned anything about it for 3 pages now.
I'm also suspicious of OTM, he seems to be flipping.Vote: Zhao.
To me, he seems trying to gradually raising/widening his chance to vote players he mentioned with vague reasons. Scummy indeed...-
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Mod wrote:The role re-opener has the ability to open the Role of a dead player. This would allow the role switcher to switch a player into the empty Role. Think of it as a funky sort of resurrection.
Now I'm confused because of you Korlash...Korlash wrote:Hey Mod: Another question for you. If say, the reopener targets an alive player to "re-open" at night, and that player dies during the night, will the reopener successfully reopen the power? (IF said player had one that is)
No.
Secondly: If the reopener targets a vanilla, does it open the "Vanilla" role thus allowing the switcher to switch a role onto the dead player? Interesting Idea, I would just like to know for future strategies, games, ideas, etc...
Yes.
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Based from Korlash's first question, is this means that the reopener definitely can not open the role of an alive player (can only open a dead player role), true?
Yes.
@ Korlash:
From your second question, actually what did you mean?
The possible case (from your 2nd question) for me is that when we have a dead player and then the reopener targets the dead and the dead showed up as vanilla/unpowered and thus vanilla switched by the switcher to another dead player??? Errr, I'm lost...
Korlash wrote:No. I agree the RB hurts us too much. That would be a role I would rather be assigned to a dead player. If the mafia has it we can kill them, but if a town has it we might as well switch and save the town. or that is the scenario in my head. Then it also boils down to endgame play. When we have ll the pro-town roles we want and we are simply siphoning off the mafia's powers.
@ Korlash: You said that the RB hurts town and would be good if that role assigned to a dead player. The point is, how would we know who the player that have the RB role? This is such a speculative theory. Ok, lets back to scum hunting...Thanatos wrote:No, I mean opening up the vanilla role. Wouldn't a scum want to do that, to take away power roles?
@ Thanatos: I guess... when a reopener open a role from the dead, the reopener will know that 'vanilla role' after the act, and if the reopener is scum, before the 'open role act' he is also clueless about the vanilla-ness. Hmmm, tell me if I'm wrong >.>
Don't be fooled ;.; he is that kind of scum...SensFan wrote:
Alright, a few issues with the FoS.QuickBen wrote:I guess I'm confused about why you'd feel the RB was a danger to the town if it was on a townie.
Also,FOS Korlashfor giving the scum an idea they may not have thought of should they happen to have the reopener or the switcher.
If Korlash was scum, he would have waited until night to tell his scumbuddy about opening vanillas, or switching away good powers. He would not have had to say it in-thread.
Therefore, we are to assume that he is not scum, but instead made a play mistake. You are FoSing someone on the grounds that they are town that goofed.
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Holy wrote:@ Korlash:
From your second question, actually what did you mean?
The possible case (from your 2nd question) for me is that when we have a dead player and then the reopener targets the dead and the dead showed up as vanilla/unpowered and thus vanilla switched by the switcher to another dead player??? Errr, I'm lost...
O yeah right, sorry. So from Korlash's theory, thus dead vanilla switched 'blindly' to another alive player. Well, this could hurt town if the switcher accidentally target an innocents cop, doc, etc with the dead vanilla.SensFan wrote:If Korlash was scum, he would have waited until night to tell his scumbuddy about opening vanillas, or switching away good powers. He would not have had to say it in-thread.-
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Lol! Is it just a misunderstanding, still unsure... I'll let my vote for nowZhao wrote:Ahhh, you got me there. When quickly browsing I thought Phate was carrying on your original plan, but I see that you proposed mass reveal while he wants the switcher+reopener to work in tandem. Both are wacky plans so I thought they meshed together.
Hmm, mentioning about an RB... a powered-scum must choose between using the power or to murder. But an SK may do both, if an SK is blocked by an RB, which action is blocked?Mod, is it:
a. only the role-power
b. only the killing action
c. both
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Hmmm, OTM actually seems townie for me... >.> He didn't say much, but his words seems straightforward.Phate wrote:I'm still not sold on Zhao's case right now. Personally, I think OTM is scummier. He agrees a lot without giving many reasons of his own, which always spooks me because it makes me think people are trying to buddy up to me.
And actually...
I LOL-ed XD at the irony...Korlash wrote:
I am that kind of town too... A double edged sword.. Ripper... slasher... Tearer... Gouger...I am the teeth in the darkness! I am the Wings in the dark! I am Korlash! ROAR!Holy wrote:Don't be fooled ;.; he is that kind of scum...
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I'm back...
Sorry guys, I had problem with my CMOS battery and RAM.
Okay...
QFT...Off the Mark wrote:... Zhao seems to equate bad plan with scum, which seems disingenuous to me, andnot a true townie-thought-process, so I became suspicious when Zhao said Phate was suspicious. Sure, scum could come up with a bad plan that would benefit scum more than town, but that is SO risky, andPhate's plan doesn't strike me that way.
True, if you followed the plan that thrown by Phate and truly tried to analyze the plan cons/pros, Zhao's posted thoughts to me seems like not following that 'townie-thought-process'. Although there's a possibility Phate is scum with such 'a plan', but yeah... his plan doesn't seems like a red alert for me too.
I didn't understand these...Thanatos wrote:I also feel that you potentially fit into the role of "scum leading town" by working on the OTM lynch, you think that that gets you off the hook. I'm not saying this is true, I just think that, by Killing OTM, I have the best ability to examine you, not to mention his own, innate, scumminess.
From your words, you seem like stating that OTM would come out as townie which has a scum driven lynch How could you be so sure? Even I can't really tell whether OTM is townie or scum.
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Holy wrote:
QFT...Off the Mark wrote:... Zhao seems to equate bad plan with scum, which seems disingenuous to me, andnot a true townie-thought-process, so I became suspicious when Zhao said Phate was suspicious. Sure, scum could come up with a bad plan that would benefit scum more than town, but that is SO risky, andPhate's plan doesn't strike me that way.
True, if you followed the plan that thrown by Phate and truly tried to analyze the plan cons/pros, Zhao's posted thoughts to me seems like not following that 'townie-thought-process'. Although there's a possibility Phate is scum with such 'a plan', but yeah... his plan doesn't seems like a red alert for me too.
I didn't understand these...Thanatos wrote:I also feel that you potentially fit into the role of "scum leading town" by working on the OTM lynch, you think that that gets you off the hook. I'm not saying this is true, I just think that, by Killing OTM, I have the best ability to examine you, not to mention his own, innate, scumminess.
From your words, you seem like stating that OTM would come out as townie which has a scum driven lynch How could you be so sure? Even I can't really tell whether OTM is townie or scum.
Even I (While I?)> I as an uninformed townie can never be sure about OTM's alignment, even though I feel the same with him about why Zhao seems scummy. So, Than's words about a "scum leading town" that gets off the hook by working on the OTM lynch confused me a bit (scum lead, means a townie lynched??), uh huh... we're still at the middle of the Day here...Phate wrote:Evenyou? What do you mean by that?
Ah well, I'm bad at explaining things which I too actually confused at. It just feels there's something wrong with what Than said. He said Phate feels potentially fit into the role of "scum leading town", but his feelings could change thus the player that potentially fit as "scum leading town" could be anybody. Yet, he is too at the OTM wagon after all that sayings. Ah, crap! I was sleepy when posting that. But yeah..., after I read and think it over, I still don't like his sayings. It feels wishy washy,unvote, vote: Thanatos.
His full post:Thanatos wrote:
Because I feel like OTM started out clinging to you specificly, until you began strong distancing. I also feel that you potentially fit into the role of "scum leading town" by working on the OTM lynch, you think that that gets you off the hook. I'm not saying this is true, I just think that, by Killing OTM, I have the best ability to examine you, not to mention his own, innate, scumminess.Phate wrote:QuickBen, I agree with you completely.
Thanatos, you say that my planning and "stubberness" is detrimental, without explaining why, and I can more-or-less handle that. And you say I'm hunting scum, which I'm glad you realise.
But how do you go straight from, "Well, Phate's too stubborn but he is hunting scum, and OTM has commited this entire list of scumtells over here, so surely at least one of them must be scum."
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Not because your disagreement with the plan, that plan indeed had flaws although if there's not too much WIFOM in it it may works good for the town if you really follow the thought process. So, it's more from the discussion process, your reactions along the plan whether it was pro/cons.Zhao wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you think I'm scummy because I disagreed with Phate's plan and said he was suspcious?Holy wrote:For the record, I haven't let Zhao off the hook, I'm still watching him. He's phishing a lot...
Besides myself, who else do you find suspicious?
And because lately you're phishing a lot too.
Huh! Suspicious? All of you of course.
Well, actually you are the most suspicious player for me, but I'm the only one that sustain your case it seems.
Yeah, I may be hallucinating at that time, lol.Thanatos wrote:I think Holy is putting too much emphsis on my feelings on Phate, which in and of it self is little more than me being confused about him.
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Well... ^this is one. Phishing.Zhao wrote:
Show me.Holy wrote: Not because your disagreement with the plan, that plan indeed had flaws although if there's not too much WIFOM in it it may works good for the town if you really follow the thought process. So, it's more from the discussion process, your reactions along the plan whether it was pro/cons.
And because lately you're phishing a lot too.
Lol! Not yet...Korlash wrote:And does anyone else feel the urge to lynch DP just to shut him up?
Hmm, yup, vague reason is scummy.kabenon007 wrote:Um, a vote that puts OTM at -1 just off of a whim? Scummier than anything that OTM has done so far. Scum do not have to read, they only need to skim to pick up the jist of the posts, and after QuickBen skims, he puts OTM at -1. Definitely not a town move.Unvote. Vote: QuickBen.I'm still open for his explanation though.-
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You are already suspicious. Why are you so concerned being suspicious anyway? If you did nothing wrong or at least didn't do anything too badly, no one or at least the majority won't even look at your case. You care about this too much. Scummy...Zhao wrote:
No ... I want you to back up your accusations with evidence. Otherwise you're basically slandering me to make me look suspicious.Holy wrote:
Well... ^this is one. Phishing.Zhao wrote:
Show me.Holy wrote: Not because your disagreement with the plan, that plan indeed had flaws although if there's not too much WIFOM in it it may works good for the town if you really follow the thought process. So, it's more from the discussion process, your reactions along the plan whether it was pro/cons.
And because lately you're phishing a lot too.
Did you noticed my earlier accusations to you? You did phail twice, but the second time was quite huge for me (that was in the middle of the plan discussion if I'm not mistaken), you seems didn't really thought for the town sake, and you accused Sensfan about the plan wrongly. If you really concerned for the town, you won't make that such a mistake!-
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Wow...!Zhao wrote:I accuse Holy of all these logical fallacies. He’s one scummy player.
• Attack the Person (ad hominem)
• Appeal to Emotion
• Argument from Repetition (ad nauseam)
• Circular Reasoning (begging the question)
• Appeal to Authority
• Guilt by Association
• Straw Man (mischaracterization)
• Correlation Implies Causation (cum hoc ergo propter hoc)
• Red Herring (distraction technique)
• Appeal to Probability
• Argument from Fallacy
•Loaded Question (fallacy of many questions)
• Gambler's Fallacy (Monty Hall problem)
• No True Scotsman (stereotypes)
• Burden of Proof (proof of a negative)
• WIFOM (Wine In Front of Me)
o Too Townie (A Subset of WIFOM Illogic)
Look who's talking?! Please filter your own posts for these (bolds).
Yeah, we're not free from mistakes. I'm not stressing about the mistake but there's such a plan thrown in front of us, and you didn't seem followed the process well, which is bad.Zhao wrote:
I see. Pro-town players don’t make stupid mistakes. We might as well eliminate all players that haven’t made stupid mistakes and catch scum in a neat little package. Game over.Holy wrote: Did you noticed my earlier accusations to you? You did phail twice, but the second time was quite huge for me (that was in the middle of the plan discussion if I'm not mistaken), you seems didn't really thought for the town sake, and you accused Sensfan about the plan wrongly. If you really concerned for the town, you won't make that such a mistake!
Btw, with that long kind of list that I'm scummy, why didn't you just vote me anyway, sigh...-
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Lol, maybe that's exactly his point... to make others unprepared because of Kuwabara's underdog-ness feel.Korlash wrote:..., on the other I find it hard to take Kuwabara seriously...
I didn't like this tell. Simply, different behaviour is something we recognize based from past acts, there's no need to discuss it immoderately.Phate wrote:We're not here to lynch scummy players, where "scummy" means "your opinion of the way experienced players act when they're scum." We're here to lynch scum. Different people act in different ways when they're scum. Primarily forum players tend to act more logical as scum and more emotional as town. Primarily chat or IRC players tend to reverse that. More experienced players tend to make more gambits and act more confidently as scum. Unfortunately, they tend to do this as town, too. New players, as scum, tend to have a strong sense of "I want to live!" make simple mistakes, or go too far trying to avoid them and end up looking suspicious anyway. Unfortunately, they tend to do that as town, too. Furthermore, what's a mistake or a slip or a scumtell for an experienced player is often a nulltell for a newbie, and vice-versa.
And it doesn't stop there. Some players break the mold completely, and each player has their own quirks. Compare your own style with Jdodge's or Quag's, or Adel's or Adele's, or BBM's or BM's , or MoS's or SSF's. None of these players are particularly new, and they're all experienced with forum play. And yet their playstyles differ vastly.
A good scumhunter doesn't live by the Jeeptells, or make their own definition of what's always scummy no matter what and follow it to the letter. A good scumhunter recognises first the things that usually mean scum, and as he gets better at it, makes his definitions more specific. He might note a very telling scumtell that only applies to newer players, for example. Or a phrase, that, when uttered by a player who plays primarily in chat games, almost invariably means they're town. And his definition of scummy becomes more diverse.
And it goes deeper than that, too. A good scumhunter draws on prior experience with any given player. If a person's playstyle changes dramatically it usually (of course, there are always exceptions) means they know something they didn't last game. This is called the "meta", short for "metagame". It literally means "after the game".
Saying "scummy=scummy" is not good scumhunting.
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Luls...Panzerjager wrote:I've officially stopped reading Korlash's post due to them being stupid and a waste of my time.
The only one deserving of lynch is OTM. All you have against me and Phate is that we have lives.
Hmm, which OTM's individual posts? Sorry, I'm a bit lost and lazy.QuickBen wrote:First of all, I didn't realize that my use of the word "skim" would be taken so badly. I'm not a newbie, I've just been away from the game for a while. To me, skimming wasn't a bad thing because it wasn't the only reading I had done. I've been reading along as we go, so I went back and skimmed to refresh my memory as to what I had already read. I find that it's really quite useful when your mind is stuck, the way that looking too closely at a pointilism picture can make you miss the big picture.
My vote on OTM (which doesn't seem to have counted?) was due to being on the fence about his individual posts, where I couldn't decide if it was his playstyle that was pinging the scumdar or if he was actually committing scumtells. By skimming the thread, instead of getting more comfortable with his playstyle, it made me more suspicious. (Hence my vote.)
Any other questions?
TBH I didn't feel you're that scummy atm anyway.Unvote.
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O yeah, sorry. Got it.QuickBen wrote:@Holy- i meant that I was looking at his posts separately, not taken as a group, which is what i did on the re-read/skim however you want to put it.
There's something that bugged me about Phate. At first, his plan seems could come out either from a townie or scum, so I'm still neutral about him.Korlash wrote:*waves hands*
You want to vote for Phate!
You are not unsure!
He is scum!
Would I lie to you? =D
And then he threw his opinion about forum-player and chat-player play style difference, which I understood because I came from a chat-player background.
But from sounding it, he sounds so unnecessary logical, which is fit the forum-player scum theory, has he mold already is unknown for me.
And TBH, OTM's trust list seems like an illogical move for a scum.
So, I'm still confused about Phate actually...
Nope, I was just try making others look to your case too.Zhao wrote:
I was mocking you Holy, but now that I think of it, you might have made those faulty statements just to get me to react and say statements that could be used against me later.Korlash wrote: @ Holy: I believe he was just being a sarcastic ass. Or that is how I took it. I would be very interested in seeing him actually try to pass any of those off.
Well, at least suspicious for me (and if I wrong, then my bad...), that's why I said if your acts wasn't that bad, majority won't suspect you as scum anyway. And I didn't say that trying to prove innocence is not recommended, it's an effort made to survive, so why not.Zhao wrote:
So you’re saying that if someone is calling me scummy but I’m innocent, the correct play would be to ignore them? Trying to prove innocence is not recommended?Holy wrote: You are already suspicious. Why are you so concerned being suspicious anyway? If you did nothing wrong or at least didn't do anything too badly, no one or at least the majority won't even look at your case. You care about this too much. Scummy...
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Hmm, mostly found OTM is likely the scum, I have sound my doubt and thought that he might be isn't.
Now is over than 2 weeks for "-2 or -3 from being lynched" status of him.
While now the focus seemed shifted to Phate or Panzerjager, the Vote Count still haven't reflect that.
So, actually... mostly from DrunkenPiper, Korlash, and mikeburnfire - what is your thoughts of OTM? If you already explained it, please share it again, maybe I missed it somewhere.
Others have showed it by their vote for him plus their little convincing story for that.
Zhao also showed it, but he found that QB was scummier for him.
While 007 showed it also, but thought that his -2 status concerned him. Heh... >.>-
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Yep, I didn't like it too.Korlash wrote:Oh a related note I have not actually found OTM that much Protown either. He does seem to be completely absent fr most of the game, only popping up when needed to give as little content as possible.
Okay, good point. Lets try it.Korlash wrote:People really don't seem to care about Panzer, and yet he has done almost the same things OTM has done that I feel are actually reason to suspect a player. Mainly the lack of content, dodging type style of play. I would think a couple others would want to help pressure him into talking. (Holidays noted, some "lurkishness" is given to all players I know, but most of what I am saying is from way before hand)Vote: Panzerjager.
From what I saw, Panzer and OTM seems had an experience playing together and their suspicion based from that experience.
But Phate and 007 too had the same case as them, and yeah... me too had that issue with Korlash actually. But the way Panzer exposed it isn't really pro-town anyway.-
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Hmm...Drunken Piper wrote:
I do not like OTM's constant jump on a wagons that are.Holy wrote:So, actually... mostly from DrunkenPiper, Korlash, and mikeburnfire - what is your thoughts of OTM? If you already explained it, please share it again, maybe I missed it somewhere.
His excuses to are not up to snuff or on par.
However, his wagon has been fast.
His worthlessness, inspired votes cast.
I think he will probably hurt us in later days.
His playstyle is lacking, and leaves me in a daze.
But I think his lynch today looks none to hard.
Could be scum driven, and full of lard.
You know what, I found it's difficult for me to measure your "good faith" with the way you explained things.
Not really... Kab suspected OTM, and then QB, after QB's explanation, he withdrew the vote, I guess he threw minor FOS to Panzer too. Thus left his first said suspect back on top, he hasn't add his update though.Drunken Piper wrote:At any rate, me vote is on the scummiest in me view.
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From your posted posts, I guess your top suspect atm back to OTM.kabenon007 wrote:Holy, what do you mean by I haven't added my update?
But I don't know about your list, it might has change but you don't sound it to us. And because you don't sound it, I thought there's not much difference from what you already said.
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Well, I doubt he will answer that, he might be replaced soon ;_;Off the Mark wrote:So I'll ask it again:
SensFan, what did you realize, besides the fact that everyone was becoming suspicious of you, that made you change your mind about the massclaim idea?
For now, I'm still waiting Panzer's effort to convince us ^.^-
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luls...Off the Mark wrote:
You're just nuts.kabenon007 wrote:You know, OTM brought up a very good point with Sensfan. But I also wish to ask him, why did you not bring this up sooner? This seems to me like a scum who had information in his back pocket, (possibly about his partner, which is why he didn't reveal it...) and revealing it now that he is at -2 in order to save his own skin. Or am I just nuts?
And mod, please prod: Phate, Thanatos, and Zhao too, thank you ^.^
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When I read that, my brain frozzzen. WIFOM..WIFOM..WIFOM... Which isssss ittt.., made me doubt my decision for awhile, damn it! I chose that as a null-tell to prevent more damages with my brain.Off the Mark wrote:
Is this not incredibly suspicious to anyone else?Panzerjager wrote:I hope the side that I am on(can not suggest which due to being replaced) is victorious.-
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O my~
I guess..
If we lynch QuickBen and turned up he is the scum. Then Phate is innocents, and Thanatos must be a scum. Vice versa - if QuickBen turned up townie, then Phate is scum.
If we lynch Phate and turned up he is the scum. Then Thanatos is innocents. Vice versa - if Phate turned out townie, then Thanatos is scum.
So, our Big Problem is which confirmed scum should we lynch, i.e. which "cop" should we trust >.>
I prefer to wait Phate's explanation first.
I just got a bad feeling that maybe Phate is an easy lynch because he threw "the plan" <.<
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;.;Korlash wrote:NO! Bad Holy... Bad... go.. sit in the corner... >.> Ok that is a bit harsh.. eat some cake and go play video games! <.<
@Korlash: there's two claimed cop, yes, definitely one of them must be a fake (The logic I got: definitely the Cop flavour is in the innocents hand). But we can confirmed an innocents cop if we choose the right confirmed scum.
But if choose to lynch from the false cop perspective, actually it's just the same. If Phate-cop turned out scum, then QuicBen is innocents. If Thanatos-cop turned out scum, then Phate is innocents.
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So True! It bugged me also.mikeburnfire wrote:Thanatos, if you thought that Phate and OTM were linked, why the hell would you investigate Phate when OTM came up town?
I assume our cop is an innocents, innocents weren't told who their allies are. An innocents cop doubts whether the doc was in scum possession or the town possession. Thus the cop will be very careful about a claim.
But Thanatos seems too confident about a doc protection, he didn't consider the possibility that the doc is scum, because if the doc is scum, an innocents cop definitely won't survive tonight because of the premature claim. His "false-confidence" lead me to suspect him as scum.
And as a scum cop, if the town believes him as a pro-town, I believe he still will survive whether the doc is town or scum from the SK. Thus explained his "false-confidence".
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There's too many IFs for the roles.
But I suspect the scum got: doc/switcher/blocker.
That's why I think we should lynch QB, we got a scum anyway.
And we still free to suspect Phate tomorrow too if he still alive.
Let's think further tomorrow, because indeed there's still tomorrow ;.;
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XD
I can't believe this, I'm still safe and sound.
I thought the scum would save for next me as a scapegoat, but still the SK would kill me (am I not enough scummy yesterday for the SK, lol), the SK prefers the doc (scum doc, phew!). I'm innocents though.
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Ok, done re-read only from Day 2.
Everyone still might be an SK.
I've re-analyze kabenon007, he might be a scum. He bit my early craplogic on Day 2. He was hesitant to unvote Phate and vote QB, 'cause the air seems wins the Phate lynch, although he said he can see where the logic I was presented could lead. While I honestly, saw a hole in it.
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@MBF:
When we had two claimed cops, I still didn't know who actually said the truth. Because Than didn't consider that might be a scum-doc, he was so confident came out that early. I speculate about a scum-doctor, because that probability is there.
And when QB revealed himself to be the doctor, I immediately suspect him as scum, because a townie-doc won't reveal himself that early (note: he wasn't on lynch danger when claimed) because the scum definitely will murder a townie-doc.
On my last post on Day 2, I was pretty sure that QB definitely is scum, at that time Day 2 is still early and I'm still up with more discussion, but you were so hasty and dropped a hammer. Honestly, after QB claimed which made me really suspect him, I immediately doubt Phate's innocents but I was too tired that time (see my 2 last posts if I'm not mistaken). To avoid further confusion on the next game day (before I go to sleep that day), actually I already consider a Phate's lynch but I didn't have a chance because of your hasty hammer.-
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@DrunkenPiper: I played with Sensfan on other 2 games, he was replaced and the other one he acted just like here. So in general from my 3 games with him, he is a lurkish player, so I still doubt about him being SK if based from that suspicion.
@Thanatos: I only explained about Day 2, and I didn't consider to push a case towards you today. Note: the roles placed randomly, so the probability is there, period. For today: We had 2 deaths last night,if you tell us the truththat you were roleblocked, I didn't think that you're a mafia or SK. I'm sure that you definitely not the scum based from Day 2. Toconfirmabout whether you are the SK or not, is another case.-
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Speculation on night 1: there's only one murder, I don't know whether the Mafia and SK chose the same target (MBF blocked Zhao townie, I guess QB doc definitely protected his own mate, not the cop) or the SK chose to murder the one that protected by scum-doc, and the most speculative theory is because the SK didn't post his night action at all, Sensfan claimed as role-opener, he said he didn't open the role from the dead to prevents scum took advantage, but what if actually he didn't get a chance to post his night choice at all? Thus he might be our SK. I'm not sure about this actually, because the mod maybe prod him to get his night action.-
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But after QB claimed. I immediately suspect him after that action.Skruffs wrote:
This was before any scum roles were revealed, right?Holy wrote:There's too many IFs for the roles.
But I suspect the scum got: doc/switcher/blocker.
That's why I think we should lynch QB, we got a scum anyway.
And we still free to suspect Phate tomorrow too if he still alive.
Let's think further tomorrow, because indeed there's still tomorrow ;.;
Good night for now. I'll re-read Day 2 tomorrow (Real Time).
@Drunken Piper: I voted you to gather info from your reaction, I didn't intent to lynch anyone but scum or SK, and because I already suspect 007 as scum, I prefer his lynch for today. I just need more info of who might be the SK. What I meant with later is later in this same day.-
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^ 'cause I'm gathering reactions for clues. If he thought that I really want to lynch someone other than who I think is scum for today, because of that I guess I can understand why he voted me.
And I don't think that as an OMGUS Vote, soUnvote.
@DP: Before you suspect me, I believe so far your suspect is Sensfan, you suspected him as an SK if I'm not mistaken, but who's your mafia suspect (besides me) so far?-
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