Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[Luna Fox]

Yeah I thought you hated D1 VCA

Every single time i've used VCA i've been wrong.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you saying no take-backsies

What was the point of this question.
Like what does saying No Take Backsies have anything to do with pisskop's alignment.

I think Pie is Town and I don't like the fact he's voteparking on her.

And so why aren't you interacting with Wisdom who has said pie's scum for a few pages now.
Why didnt you react to when i thought pie was scum.
But only to pisskop's vote on pie.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless let's not turn this into a "Is VCA good or not" debate, it's D1 no matter how godlike you're at VCA you wont get anything useful out of it anyway.

[Luna Fox]

so vote gamma w/me

his selective scumreads are bad

I'm currently null on Gamma.
I thought his post where he thought he had caught a scumslip felt honest, but I have disliked his latest play, specially that vote on you.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Varsoon

[Luna Fox]

I'm in a neighborhood with Pisskop and Dwlee. This is largely why I understand that Dwlee has, at least, a little more of a handle on the game than what seems evident in the game thread.

Varsoon also suggested you posted in said hood @Dwlee

[Luna Fox]

Fake claiming neighbor also is NAI.

case dependant.

[Luna Fox]

Fake claiming neighbor also is NAI.

case dependant.

In this case it is NAI.
Unless you want to lynch Nahdia and Pisskop as well for doing random af fake claims.

The hood was already brought up first to alleviate some pressure from dwlee.
I don't know i think it's weird.
How possible is it that dwlee just derped and forgot about a hood?

[Luna Fox]

Faith healer is definitely not a fake claim based on info i have

I also cant really see the logic behind a scum faith healer

So.
We have a backup doc
A doc of either alignment as well possibly.
And you who can confirm faith healer's existance based on info you have
+ Backup IC claim.
+ Possibly IC may or may not exist.
+ This whole hood shenanigans.
This is getting ridiculous.

[Luna Fox]

tfw Dwlee forgot about a hood he posted in.

tfw you said 0% chance

lol'd

[Luna Fox]

Based on my role there's too many ways to stop a night kill and im not sure which claim i believe the least =/

[Luna Fox]

Like I just can't think of a role that would tell you if a certain role is a fake claim or not
So???

I can!
I can think of 2!

[Luna Fox]

Well i guess it doesnt explicitly tell you if it's a fake claim, but can tell you if the role exists, which means that if it's a fake claim there'll be a CC.

[Luna Fox]

I think you're confusing role heavy games with role madness games...

[Luna Fox]

Hmm i've alywas thought of role madness games as 100% PRs for both teams.
Oh well.
UNVOTE:

[Luna Fox]

I love (not really) how people are treating Varsoon as conf town in their analysis.

[Luna Fox]

Hmm, the Varsoon here feels different than the Varsoon in Street Fighter Mafia.
I think you're wrong pie.

[Luna Fox]

Town {Smith, Gamma, Luna, Wisdom, Pie, Nahdia}
Other things {Varsoon, Pisskop, Cakez, Dwlee, Aero, Drealz}

So how did Varsoon go from
"Let's copy this each page so ppl dont ML Varsoon"
"I agree that his play feels different from Street Fighter Mafia"
to "Other things"

[Luna Fox]

So do you typically say this specifically the word ML on ppl you dont townread?:

Faith healer is definitely not a fake claim based on info i have

I also cant really see the logic behind a scum faith healer

I am going to make sure this post is on every page so people don't ML Varsoon

[Luna Fox]

Sorry, i've kind of been busy with a new game.
I haven't read a thing since my last post yet, will probably do that tomorrow since i gotta sleep.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: beeboy

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: beeboy

Reason?

1) I unvoted and forgot to move my vote back there
2) I dont like how he's flip flopping his read on Varsoon and lying about not flip flopping it.

[Luna Fox]

I pointed it out earlier in 1950 where he flat out refused he was townreading him when he used the word "Mislynch" to refer to a Varsoon lynch, and then apparently he's a townread again in 1963 with the only Varsoon post in between being 1959 and i dont see any indication that he's resetting and/or rereading.

[Luna Fox]

Umm wis, didn't you say:

I also cant really see the logic behind a scum faith healer

So now you're saying that your info also suggests that his alignment is town? =/

[Luna Fox]

yeah, you're complete fucking shit at the game so I don't know why I even bother with you

wolfy post there; definite pings to RC in open 635 trying to just tell me I was terrible when I was dead accurate. Does anyone know if pie normally does this as wolf to people she disagrees with? As town?

No wisdom just makes everyone he tunnels that has emotions rage.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: beeboy

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: beeboy

WHY

It may nor may not be role related.

[Luna Fox]

if aero's not the vig then the vig will shoot him, no need for anyone else to bother.

[Luna Fox]

Okay
Luna your dirt on beeboy?

Sure i guess since there's already 1 dead scum.
I roleblocked bee last night.

[Luna Fox]

Okay. Luna does your role have any usage restrictions?

Nope.

[Luna Fox]

Oh yeah, werent we gonna massclaim today anyway? or so said pie, so well there you have my role and action anyway ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

I honestly have very little faith you aren't just gambitting to get beeboy lynched because of your massive fight yesterday :/

I wouldnt lie about my night actions to get someone lynched. That's something i consider very bad play, like fake guilties.

[Luna Fox]

Where did people get i was claiming Jailkeeper, I claimed roleblocker.

[Luna Fox]

Also why are we assuming scum shot Aero? he claimed miller no?

[Luna Fox]

Also why are we assuming scum shot Aero? he claimed miller no?

someone being a miller isn't a good reason to go out of your way to leave them alive, if there is good reason to kill them. do you disagree with the first paragraph of my 2269?

Eh i missed that.
Regardless tho, my reasoning is that if wisdom's scum that means at least 2 of the scum wanted aero lynched, and he already had a death sentence on his head due to the miller claim.

varsoon told me he would be healing aero

And it didnt strike you off as suspicious that he would be healing one of the people he wanted lynched throughout D1?

[Luna Fox]

i didnt really care about it, as long as we didnt heal the same person

Oh derp... the answer was in the next post.
And yeah i dont see you "not caring"

FoS: Wisdom

[Luna Fox]

As you have it here guys, Wisdom isn't trying to solve the game.
He's also not trying to readjust his pie's read with varsoon's flip.

[Luna Fox]

Varsoon (rip) / Wisdom / Bee
VOTE: Wisdom

[Luna Fox]

So wisdom claimed scum.

[Luna Fox]

Guess luna musta roleblocked the kill again??

Wait if luna blocked the NK wouldn't she know who tried to make it then?

she claimed to have blocked beeboy last night.

And i did it N2 as well.
VOTE: beeboy

[Luna Fox]

is bee neighbor? i thought the neighborhood was dwlee, varsoon and pisskop, and varsoon also being neighbor with wisdom.

[Luna Fox]

I was thinking, what if whoever's the missing maf if existant and not bee didnt kill coz they figured i'd roleblock bee.
Shouldn't we go no lynch and then i roleblock bee again to be sure?

[Luna Fox]

Well i've always thought that the strategy when roleblocking if there's no kill is to no lynch and continue to roleblock.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah sure
I'll roleblock dwlee tonight if the game's not over after bee dies.
If bee flips scum and the game is not over im roleblocking aero.

[Luna Fox]

i need to reread how it happened in the first place, but i highly doubt an SK intuitively thinks there's a lyncher if they are already 3P, i doubt Aero's an SK.

[Luna Fox]

If Aero promises to shoot bee ill RB Gamma then.

[Luna Fox]

I was blocked IIRC.

Yes.
Tho I wonder why you would bring up being blocked after being tracked nowhere instead of just because you're VT so you would never be tracked anywhere.
Still 1 kill, and is the player people wanted Aero to kill. This is bothersome.

[Luna Fox]

It's not bothering me that Aero was directed.
It's bothering me that there's still only 1 kill and looks like it was aero's again.
Whoever is the last maf if any is just chilling and letting aero do his job for him, which doesnt look very good for Aero either.
Or... Aero's just an SK trying to make us believe there's still maf.
OR or... this game has some troll 3rd party that i dont even D:

[Luna Fox]

Because blocking means tracks register nothing.
...Or am I completely wrong about how roleblocking works?

Yes, but if you're VT, your reaction would be that your VT so you wouldnt be tracked anywhere, block or no block.

[Luna Fox]

im still wondering about the missing NK N1.
if it hit Aero and Aero's part of the 2nd scumteam then that means it has BP + ??? vs 2x Faith Haler vs All the crap we have.
Which seems a bit unfair for the red team...

[Luna Fox]

Or they've been shooting Aero and Aero has a full bulletproof instead of an X-Shot one.
OR Or, Aero shot a teammate N1 (is that even allowed?)

@mod: can mafia kill their own teammate?

[Luna Fox]

Although a full BP Vig is kinda OP ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

I could also block Aero and we no lynch, and hope whoever's leftover decides to show up if any.

[Luna Fox]

Nah we should lynch Aero and have you announce who you're blocking before
I'll track someone random

or you could track me, and then i dont announce who im blocking!

[Luna Fox]

So it is possible aero scum could've shot his teammate.
I don't see it very likely but it's a possibility.
(tbh i was planning on RBing pie to get rid of this "not confirmed yet" shenanigans once and for all, but apparently they dont want me to do that)

[Luna Fox]

Vote: Aero

If aero flips diff scum im roleblocking pie tonight.
If aero flips SK im roleblocking pie tonight.
Both of those assuming game doesnt end.
If aero flips town im roleblocking someone and Cakez should track me to see who i RB in case i die.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: pie

2 minutes later...

why is aero not roped yet?

Does somebody think he'll come by and be sufficient? hes scum you misguided assholes. like pie

Umm... kinda hard to rope him if you switching your vote put him at L-2 ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

He's been at L-1 for a while until PK unvoted and then back again when GE voted. Jeesh pie.
If he was going to self hammer he'd have done so already.

[Luna Fox]

I just feel that Aero lynch will end the game anyway, and then i'll be able to stop listening to you and pie argue.
Also no, PK's not scum, he's playing way differently than in tarot.

[Luna Fox]

Luna visited pie.....

This is correct.
But didnt pie initially believe that she was a backup IC with no IC?

[Luna Fox]

I dont think the issue here is whether pie's a scum backup IC, more whether backup IC is a fake claim or not.

[Luna Fox]

OK, let me revise 3071: it's a completely [[[REDACTED]]] fake claim regardless of whether you believe there's an IC in the game or not, since if there does happen to wind up being an IC in the game, and it dies without revealing, you get outed as scum.

I cannot believe that I actually need to explain this to people.

And i dont believe that you expect me to believe that's why nahdia's still alive.
As far as im concerned your claim ins't "conf town" until nahdia dies without using her power and then you use it.
It's entirely null... except for the fact that it's been your go to defense most of the time.
Now that you busing your entire team that's a different story and i doubt you might be scum for that reason.

On the other hand, what if cakez scum cant kill and track at the same time?

[Luna Fox]

Actually didnt you and wisdom crossbus each other pretty hard on Tarot ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

And i dont believe that you expect me to believe that's why nahdia's still alive.

Actually, i wrote this entirely unreadable somehow.
I meant that scum you would keep Nahdia alive coz your ruse would be over otherwise.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless, i kinda wanna No Lynch again and see if scum decides to do something.
If pie's not scum then she'll become conf coz im roleblocking her again.

[Luna Fox]

I've been wondering if this game was advertised as bastard since I forgot to check that before pre inning.

Like i dont even, i highly doubt im lucky enough to be blocking the NK every single day, and considering it's obvious bee wasnt making it, I also find it very hard to believe scum just isnt or cant NK.

[Luna Fox]

Ok nvm it isnt.... i was starting to think of lynching the mod but i guess that's not the case this time u.u

[Luna Fox]

So let me get this straight, pie thinks scum is deliberately no killing.
And also thinks i could be scum.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like pie just insulted my scum game :<

[Luna Fox]

I did block Gamma last night

[Luna Fox]

it's funny every single time i block Gamma is on the same night Cakez tracks him XD

[Luna Fox]

I can't even remember what interactions he had with Wisdom.

He thought Wisdom was town and then when Wisdom was all like "I dont think Varsoon's fake claiming" or whatever he sided with Wisdom and hard defended them both. Then when Varsoon flipped scum he said he thought they were softing being Masons.

[Luna Fox]

One thing i dont get is...
Cakez keeps bouncing back to GE, when role wise i would be the most likely to be scum from his PoV, yet he called me something like confirmed town:

This seems super simple to me
I'm taking Luna as basically conftown now, so I want to lynch PK and if it's not him, have Luna block Pie again
Or she can block me if she so wishes to try to test around

(I still dont understand why but for the sake of argument let's say he believes that).
Don't you think scum him would be 1v1ing me right now? u.u

[Luna Fox]

@All: Merry Christmas!

[Luna Fox]

Apparently no one has anything else to say with the obvious lack of posts.

[Luna Fox]

i guess

Vote: Cakez

[Luna Fox]

Should've lynched pisskop instead of my slot after the night i rep'd out like you said you were going to and this wouldn't have taken forever.

[Luna Fox]

There IS a Dead PT, i guess GIF forgot to send link and you never asked.