Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[WaterboyWaldo]

Hello. I am here to confirm, and also to state that Sarcastro is obviously scum.

[WaterboyWaldo]

vote: max

because he was slash is scum

[WaterboyWaldo]

Also, sucks for Sarc. I always liked the guy. Does he get to participate in the Voting Phase? Also, how do these Sub Games help us? Since the person who is lynched in the subgame doesn't really get lynched, do subgames hold any power over us, or are they just to encourage discussion?

[WaterboyWaldo]

I am not voting at random; I believe Max to be acting suspicious. Also, the deadline isn't THAT short. It's pretty much a whole week. We have plenty of time to kill him.

[WaterboyWaldo]

You say I'm rushing, even though I just said that there's plenty of time. You agree with me and call Max suspicious, but vote me for it. You call me singleminded, but ^ that was the first post you've made in which you give

your

suspicions. There is absolutely nothing suspicious about this at all. Nope.

unvote, vote kabenon007

[WaterboyWaldo]

Well, I did have the day planned around lynching Max. At least, until I became more suspicious of you.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Why would a townie have a day planned around lynching one person from the beginning?

Because that one person had been suspicious from the beginning. Durr.

[WaterboyWaldo]

If that were the case, then my plans would change, much in the same way that they DID change when you became more suspicious.

[WaterboyWaldo]

It was intended to be a humorous statement. I know we're supposed to read between the lines, but you guys are taking it too seriously.

[WaterboyWaldo]

I didn't have the day planned around killing specifically Max, but rather the most suspicious person, who just happened to be Max at the time.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Waldo works.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Not sure I buy the "it was meant as humor". If people attacked me for saying something I didn't really mean, I'd make that clear immediately.

Right. And when both you and kab7 started questioning me, I responded

Well, I did have the day planned around lynching Max. At least, until I became more suspicious of [kab7].

Apparently it wasn't clear enough, as I'm still explaining myself a full page later.

Adele is confusing me.

when you vote your suspicions are right there for everyone to see, and that might bite you in the ass later when you contradict yourself out of convenience.

I don't have a problem with her FOSing somebody instead of voting them, but this is a weak argument. She's worried that her suspicions are there for everyone to see? That's what happens when you FOS somebody too. Heck, just stating your suspicions allows people to see them. This is a poor explanation for her lack of vote.

[WaterboyWaldo]

If he meant whoever was most suspicious, why didn't he say that instead of saying he was focusing on Max?

Because I was screwing around and making....brace yourself.... a joke!

why did he wait to post that it was a joke? Why didn't he say it right away when it came under suspicion?

See post 117.

Glad we could get that all cleared up.

[WaterboyWaldo]

A little defensive, are we?

[WaterboyWaldo]

[WaterboyWaldo]

the point is he could have said it when people called him on the statement.

And I did.

Everyone, do you think Adele's "let's all say whether we have the same role" suggestion was scummy?

Uh, I must have been asleep when she proposed that.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Hmmn...

Fiasco waited awhile to bring Adele's statement up. Possibly looking for ways to incriminate her, or maybe, upon her defense of me, Fiasco backtracked and looked for ties and found that proposal instead. I'll keep that in mind...

When Adele asked for comments on her idea, Fiasco said,

'Everyone, do you think Adele's "let's all say whether we have the same role" suggestion was scummy?'

. (BTW, points against Adele here for attempting to benefit from the mod's mistake. While this isn't necessarily scummy, it is, in my opinion, poor sportsmanship). More importantly, I noticed that Fiasco doesn't give his opinion on the idea, but asks everyone else first. It would have been less suspicious if he had said

"Does anybody ELSE think Adele's suggestion was scummy?"

, but it seems that he was leading everybody else into it and waiting for anybody else to start gunning for Adele.

While Adele may be reacting a bit overdefensively, I think she has the right to be suspicious of Fiasco. Not necessarily for misrepresentation, but rather for trying to bring suspicion onto Adele without actually accusing her of anything.

EDIT BEFORE POST:
Sure enough, Fiasco has proved my point by stating that "he didn't even say it was scummy, just asked other people". Compound this with the face that he obviously DOES think it was scummy, as he adds "Fact is that you proposed something that would have outed most vanillas in the game even if it didn't seem that way at first."

[WaterboyWaldo]

Eh, not really feeling like there's much point to the subgames myself.

Don't know why Fiasco is pushing so much for Max. I might join Adele in voting him soon.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Fiasco is a Lyncher of some sort - that's the simple explanation.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

[WaterboyWaldo]

My wit is lost upon you all. From this moment forth, I will not be making any sarcastic, jokey, or ironic posts.

[WaterboyWaldo]

I will greatly enjoy watching certain people make asses out of themselves by lynching me.

<- Certain people

[WaterboyWaldo]

I'm not lynching Fiasco because I think he is subgameScum, I'm lynching Fiasco because I think he is MetaGameScum.

Me too. ThornedRose as well, but I don't think I can generate a lynch on him today.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Great. Absolutely nothing interesting happened.

vote: Fiasco

[WaterboyWaldo]

What are you talking about, Fiasco?

[WaterboyWaldo]

Man, all this meta-game sub-game stuff is really confusing. I can't even remember if Sarcastro was sub-killed or meta-killed.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Considering the fact that we're playing six games in one, it's going to take a long time to finish this if absolutely nothing keeps happening. So...

Daykill: Fiasco

I hope you'll

forgive

me,

buddy

because

I'm

joking around. I don't have the ability to kill you.

[WaterboyWaldo]

The metagame is really the only game I care about. I could lose the other 5 altogether for all I care. If everybody plays the subgame, how am I supposed to decide who is scummier in the metagame?

There are no incentives for the metamafia to work together in subgames. And if we're all too busy playing the subgames, then we don't have any time to play the metagame. So my goal is to just lynch (and NK) randomly during the subgames and try to win the metagame. Unless you can convince me otherwise.

[WaterboyWaldo]

I don't know if that's subgame-scummy or metagame-scummy.

vote: fiasco

[WaterboyWaldo]

vote: Adele

[WaterboyWaldo]

HAHA!

unvote, vote Sammich

Last Laugh.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Waldo, ftw.

[WaterboyWaldo]

vote: somestrangesimenon

[WaterboyWaldo]

Dangit Adele, didn't we lynch you yesterday? You are such scum.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Yeah, I didn't really have a reason for it. I just wanted to post to prove I hadn't forget about this game. Didn't notice we were in sub-LYLO phase.

unvote

I just don't understand this game variant. Can somebody explain to me how these subgames will help us find metamafia?

[WaterboyWaldo]

Next, we should look for subtown players who just don't want to post or put in any effort. They could be metascum.

Or they could be subtown players who just don't care. >_>

[WaterboyWaldo]

Yeah, those are legit.

On the positive side, Hooray! I won the subgame. On the negative side, I still don't know how it will help me win the metagame :/

[WaterboyWaldo]

We don't know quite yet.

[WaterboyWaldo]

Er, I tried to click on the PLAYERS link in the first post, but it just took me to an icon image.

Genuine error, or mafia sabotage?