Mini 521 (SMSM, Ended)

[ryan]

And a good day to you fine sir

[ryan]

In other news, I'm bored and I still think this pre-sub-game talk is not especially useful.

Agreed.

[ryan]

Vote: Sammich

[ryan]

It's rly awkward that ryan voted me without any explanation.

Didn't anyone notice that?

Did anyone notice it was the first day and my vote was a random one for discussion and THANK YOU for starting a little discussion about you. Why so jumpy about one vote?

[ryan]

A little defensive, are we?

Huh?

[ryan]

Did anyone notice it was the first day and my vote was a random one for discussion and THANK YOU for starting a little discussion about you. Why so jumpy about one vote?

THEN SAY IT WAS A RANDOM VOTE.
ASDF;

Did I miss the portion of the program that stated this was a "GAME?" Settle down there tex

[ryan]

Pooky: Wouldn't you go after the scummiest player, I mean in the grand scheme of things isn't that how you win the game?

[ryan]

but what do you use to determine who is scummy and who isn't?

Evidence, questions, contradictions, behavior not townielike.

[ryan]

So could all the non-me, non-magical, non-kabe people please weigh in on whether we're going to play this subgame at all? If yes, may I suggest threatening Max?

unvote, vote Max

Wouldn't threatening some of the lurkers be a better choice?

[ryan]

Eh, not really feeling like there's much point to the subgames myself.

Don't know why Fiasco is pushing so much for Max. I might join Adele in voting him soon.

Let me ask you this, why would a scum come out so hard and so strong on one person? Seems like an awfully big risk to me. I'm not saying I'm getting a town vibe from this but it's a little strange to see scum come out so hard on one person.

[ryan]

(... Aimee again. Really, I need Jordan to contribute.)

Pfft. If I'm being vague, then I'll let you know. Or maybe I won't.

unvote, vote Fiasco

???

Explanation.

ryan - why is going after lurkers a beneficial strategy in a speed game?

Would you rather leave a potential mafia lurker alone and not at least push him/her to post some thoughts? I'd rather see a few of the non posters say something (anything) at this point and a couple of votes here and there seem to always do the trick.

[ryan]

Thorned Rose: So you think a scum would come out and throw that many accusations around that quickly?

[ryan]

Would you rather leave a potential mafia lurker alone and not at least push him/her to post some thoughts? I'd rather see a few of the non posters say something (anything) at this point and a couple of votes here and there seem to always do the trick.

Here and there?
Wtf?

WHAT exactly are you asking here?

[ryan]

Wonder if some of the scum are (subtly) trying to lose on purpose.

I don't know, ARE you?

Vote: Fiasco

[ryan]

The doc may have made a good choice
The Mafia may have not killed anyone

Discuss

Agreed. I can't see the mafia NOT trying to kill anyone, that makes no sense at all.

[ryan]

The only reason for people not playing properly is because they are sad and aren't trying to win... Hence fiasco must be a jester

Or trying to pull a gambit off over the town's heads.

[ryan]

So the scum kills nobody and is just working about paranoia?

Why would scum not want to kill somebody? All I can think of is the doc protected well and we need to actually get some discussion going and some accusations thrown around, some wagons started/stopped, some people defending. That's my idea.

[ryan]

Man, all this meta-game sub-game stuff is really confusing

. I can't even remember if Sarcastro was sub-killed or meta-killed.

110% agree with you on that note. You almost have to re-read everything just to get where we are currently.

[ryan]

I don't know if that's subgame-scummy or metagame-scummy.

vote: fiasco

Is there actually a difference? I mean if it's scummy, it's scummy right?

[ryan]

The Doctor (especially in this setup) should NOT come out and I'm not sure why Fiasco even brought up this fairly obvious point

[ryan]

kabenon007: I'm not sure I agree with your statement about a townie lynch giving us information, shouldn't we be aiming for the scummiest player at the time?

[ryan]

claim pls max.

I'm confused, why should Max claim?

[ryan]

Now I don't want to claim as this would leave the town a little less better off however if at least 3 more people agree I'll claim

If you are a town power role (as you are hinting) than NO I do not want a claim from you and I'm not excited about Adele pressuring for one.

[ryan]

I'm good with a Sammich lynch, my random vote on him earlier and his panic still baffled me

Unvote/Vote: Sammich

[ryan]

Is this a good idea to roleclaim already?

[ryan]

Alright than.


I'm the Roleblocker

[ryan]

My roleblocks were the following (cause I know this will be brought up later)

N1: Sarcastro
N2: -
N3: Pooky
N4: -

Vote: PookyTheMagicalBear

[ryan]

Mod: Vote Count?

[ryan]

Why do you think Pooky is a bad lynch?

[ryan]

Why do you think Pooky is a bad lynch?

I don't think he's a bad lynch, but I think his lynch is bad right now. With two votes piling on so quickly, it's unlikely the there are any scum outside of Max-Ryan-Pooky. I would at least like claims from all three before I land my vote.

I don't know why ssf was being so irresponsible.

I already claimed AND gave my blocks

[ryan]

Yes, and I'm not saying you did not.

Actually, our two claimed power roles are voting pooky, so I will consider doing so once everyone checks in.

I'm sorry if I missed this, have you claimed?

[ryan]

Don't we now have a lynch?

[ryan]

Sarcastro: Why did you feel Pooky might be suspicious?

[ryan]

If Ryan is OK with it I'll quote what his role was in the kill choice. I don't take this very seriously as a scum tell, though.

Huh?

[ryan]

You wanted Sarcastro dead, right?

When I was apart of the scum team in this first subgame (before the roles were changed around) yes I thought Sarcastro would be the biggest threat to us winning. I don't know how this is a scumtell nor how it has anything to do with anything.

[ryan]

My roleblocks were the following (cause I know this will be brought up later)

N1: Sarcastro
N2: -
N3: Pooky
N4: -

[ryan]

My list has been submitted as well.

[ryan]

Dear god, you people are all complete idiots.

Wow, I don't know why anyone wouldn't follow you after that

[ryan]

Xdaamno: I 2nd your now following the results post

[ryan]

Vote: Fiasco

I'm all about the bandwagon

[ryan]

Adele is too awesome to die.

Eh?

[ryan]

(Limited Access)

Huh? Quicklynch? Obviously not scum? Too awesome to die?

Yeah, the terms are being thrown around in this game are quite strange

[ryan]

That's what I was thinking, how come you aren't lynched yet?

[ryan]

Why should I be lynched?

Why shouldn't you?

[ryan]

Why the quickvote against Adele? She's obviously not scum.

Care to clarify this yet?

[ryan]

Fair enough.

Unvote/Vote: mikeburnfire

[ryan]

How do you trust him?

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote: Adele

I'm NOT a fan of a no lynch.

[ryan]

Adele: Actually Fiasco would have only had 3 votes IF I would have voted him.

[ryan]

You weren't voting anyone mike, why put a vote on Fiasco and risk a no lynch?

[ryan]

I'm not pretending one thing. Mike's move takes another person off the potential voting cycle. Do you believe that there will be more or less vote switching before the day concludes? I believe a no lynch to get us ZERO information and to put us in a bad position on Day 2. You can look at me all you want Adele, nothing but a townie here.

[ryan]

Shoulda said "Not pretending anything" A no lynch is something I do not want.

[ryan]

With Mike now voting for Fiasco (unless people switch which looks highly unlikely by most people's stances) unless somebody comes out who isn't voting we are gonna get nailed on deadline tonight with a no lynch

[ryan]

Oh good lord, nevermind Adele, you're back to your typical twist things around and make everyone else look like they are scum. I find you to be scummy and would be much happier with your lynch than Fiasco

[ryan]

I do find you scummy and it looks like you're playing the same way you did when we were both scum in an earlier game. (Will you be coming up with your numbers now on the probabilities of voting or not voting and blah blah blah) I do NOT believe in 1st Day No Lynches and I don't want one here. Between you and Fiasco, YOU are the scummier of the two, so between you two, yeah, I want you lynched.

[ryan]

I believe I have you confused with Adel

[ryan]

In which case, her playing style is rather different than mine, so I think you've been chasing me over a false tell.

no hard feelings?

Actually I believe your playstyles to be nearly the same, but it's not enough to waste time on or pages worth of arguing.

[ryan]

Vote: Simenon

[ryan]

But you are, and that's who I voted for.

[ryan]

I'm happy with my vote right now

[ryan]

Unvote/Vote: mikeburnfire

[ryan]

Ryan, you seem to just be going with the flow, voting for whomever is in the spotlight.

vote: Ryan

Fair enough

[ryan]

Ryan, you seem to just be going with the flow, voting for whomever is in the spotlight.

vote: Ryan

Fair enough

You agree?

I believe he's in the spotlight for a reason, because he's scum and got caught.

[ryan]

If we aren't going to care about the subgame, we might as well spend all of our time here discussing the metagame.

In particular, who is going to be on your next concordelajtwe list?

Agreed, I am much more interested in the metagame (sorry mod)

[ryan]

The subgames are getting very little participation

[ryan]

I'm all about a scum bandwagon mike, who do you believe is scum? If you're not scum and I'm not scum who is it?

[ryan]

I'm still here, although a bit disillusioned.

Please do not vote Adele, trust me on this one. Again, I have good information that Adele is not subscum. Please switch to someone, whoever it is.

Also, Simenon is not a player in this game. And your post in rather hard to follow.

Good information?