Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[Ircher]

Hiya. Ill caych up when I get a chance.

[Ircher]

Can we.... slow down?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Untrod

[Ircher]

@Limit
I havent caught up yet. Ive been online for like 45 minutes. Its 6 pages (7 now)

[Ircher]

Spoiler: Freedom Notes - D1 #1

1. 6 by Postie -

What is this? A claim of some sort? Meh --

Null-Indicative

2. 10 by Ranger - Claims miller & speculates Godfather -

Ok. -

Null-Indicative

(Later: 17 - Interesting)

3. 26 by Antihero - Asks who Ranger chose as scummer -

I really don't like the rolefishing Anti has decided to do. -

Scum-Indicative

4. 36 by Demonic -

What is that? Why should Postie have been lynched by then? I don't buy it as a joke, etc. either. -

Null-Scum Indicative

5. 40 and 42 - Shotty claims something sexual and states flavor won't flip -

And you fekt the need to point this out because _________? -

Null-Scum Indicative

6. 62 by White -

Nice question avoiding:

Scum-Indicative

7. 90 to 97 by Postie & Demonic - Demonic rolefishing Postie -

Postie, are you claiming post-restricted? Demonic, why do you feel a need to role fish? I feel that the post-restriction is faked though. -

Scum-Indicative

8. 109 by Postie -

One of many examples of filler posts by Postie. -

Null-Scum Indicative

9. 126 by Untrod -

Is this also another claim? What's a posse? -

Null-Indicative

10. 136 by Shotty - Asks if Yume is claiming TPR -

Read the rules; it's just mafia and town. -

Null-Scum Indicative

Shotty and Postie strike me as scum, Ranger is town, and White is neutralish -- I think White may be having some trouble keeping up, and Postie has been doing lots of scummy stuff like role fishing and filler posts so far.

VOTE: Postie

[Ircher]

another fucking ircher game

another fucking ircher game

This is typical behaviour of him?

~Suz

Pretty much. I was mason in the last game I played with Anti.

[Ircher]

3. 26 by Antihero - Asks who Ranger chose as scummer - I really don't like the rolefishing Anti has decided to do. - Scum-Indicative

SHE ALREADY CLAIMED IN FULL

Wait, what you mean, "She claimed in full?"

Do you know something the rest of us don't? She claimed miller and claimed not to be you. What else did Ranger claim?

Pedit: Gambit.

[Ircher]

Lol, @Anti - Ok, none............... Still prefer Postie over White though.

[Ircher]

yeah go ahead and do that

Well, basically.

I submitted as my first pick a scummer.

I got that scummer.

Basically, I'm too good to get a role, and I love being town, but my connection to scum as a competent scum player means that I show up as one. So I don't get to deceive everyone into thinking I'm a Free Will player when I'm not (this is the part that makes me think there's a godfather); instead, I get to be a Free Will player who others will think is a willbreaker.

i read the thread

I have a good idea who, but this post isnt explicit fyi.

[Ircher]

She claimed miller. She cant possibly be just miller. This is role madness and everyone has multiple abilities and/or modifiers.

[Ircher]

Alright, fair enough.

Still very weird role though imo for a upick.

[Ircher]

@Limit: Rude.

[Ircher]

171 and 174 are trash.
In response to 173: really it's just I didn't like the hostile defensiveness of the whole post.
Ircher v. Antihero is mostly Ircher making noise. I was going to say what if Ranger has more to her role than just miller, but looks like I got ninja'd. We probably shouldn't discuss it much more, butI'll just say I'm not putting it past Ranger to purposely imply there isn't more to her role when there is.
God, everyone, stop posting so fast! This is why I don't play Minis more often.
-smart

1) Stop being rude
2) Seriously? "Making noise?" What do you call what Anti was saying? Do you think discussion is bad? Makes zero sense.
3) And yet you call my posts "Noise"? Stop with the double standard.

[Ircher]

Oh, ok.

[Ircher]

bella and ari's absence troubles me

There was no day start PM.

The fact Postie didn't notice my absence despite doing a readwall us troubling

Yes there was.

[Ircher]

What happens if you fail?

Something bad.
And I only have one fail left.

Yeah, I was technically posting elsewhere. I don't see a town Postie ignoring that without good cause or at least a comment.

If you went mysteriously absent in the middle of the game I might have been concerned, but things were just getting started, so I thought you hadn't gotten round to this game yet or something.

On what date did you find out I was Virtue?

Ooh, I remember that slip...........

[Ircher]

Hey Postie, how do you feel about Shotty?

[Ircher]

Not to mention, making a ton of filler posts, role fishing (which doesnt carry a bunch of weight but something to consider) and the constant "forgetting" of the posting restriction. Postie ======= Scum.

[Ircher]

Pick your poison pls. I don't really like the White wagon, esp. when compared to Postie.

White did some Q dodging and hasn't commented much, but other than that, White hasn't really shown scum motivation.

[Ircher]

Thats

L-1

Pedit: Isnt that hammer?

[Ircher]

Hello

[Ircher]

Postie is conf town for changing the lynch to scum.

[Ircher]

White, what do you have to say for yourself after yesterday's wagon?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Demonic

[Ircher]

@Arabella
Where were you yesterday? What are your current thoughts?

Pedit: Where's your null line?

[Ircher]

{Postie}
{Gammagooey}
{Yume, Arabella}
{Demonic Angel, Ircher}
{WhiteLight}

Also, why did you leave out Limit?

[Ircher]

Conf Town: Postie
Likely Town: Gamma, Ranger
Leaning Town: Whitelight -- I dont buy the case
Neutral Leaning Town: Limit -- Just cuz
Null: Arabella
Neitral Leaning Scum: Yume
Leaning Scum: Demonic Angel

[Ircher]

So, someone remind of the White case; I didnt see it.

[Ircher]

Well for a start...this is more in line with beeboy's scumplay. It's a little bit of a small sample size thanks to the quicklynch, but the content matches more with scum than town.

Suzune also isn't putting that much in.

Plus, White Light had five votes at the peak of their wagon, three which're conftown (Anti, UT, Postie), one who is my townread (Gammagooey), and a fifth in The Limit Does Not Exist.

Then, Titus drives the Postie lynch through. Demonic Angel, Yume, you, Titus, then The Limit Does Not Exist (with a UT hammer).

Seems pretty likely White Light's scum after that.

While I can agree with a lot of these points, I just don't think its enough to lynch on. I'd be more with a Demonic lynch; their iso looks bad. Yume is also on my radar being completely useless.

[Ircher]

Intended to out this yesterday: We're an informed townie. At least one member of the Intellectuals Neighborhood is scum.

Wel, there's 4 of us:

Anti, me, Arabella, and Yume.

[Ircher]

Ok, so Angel is also town cuz their role is confirmed when a scum flips.

That leaves {Gamma, Ircher, Whitelight, Ranger, Yume, Arabella, Limit).

Put of those, I feel Limit --> Yume --> Arabella are scum, in that order.

[Ircher]

That leaves {Gamma, Ircher, Whitelight, Ranger, Yume, Arabella, Limit).

Put of those, I feel Limit --> Yume --> Arabella are scum, in that order.

Four scum seems like a lot of people Ircher. Are you suggesting you know something?

No.

Just cuz there is only 3 scum doesnt mean Im limited to 3 scumreads (2 now).

[Ircher]

Ircher stop being bad. WhiteLight is obvscum both from play and the way Titus derailed their wagon.
Vote them if you don't want to be fucking quicklynched tomorrow.

VOTE: White

[Ircher]

How?

[Ircher]

I dont want to be Qlynched.

Its not the worst possible lynch, I just think several other lynches are better.

[Ircher]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

So like... this is why you killed Antihero? Is that what you're saying?

What makes you think Anti was the nightkill?

~Bee

Yeah, why wouldn't scum kill Shotty instead?

[Ircher]

Conf Town: Postie
Likely Town: Gamma, Ranger
Leaning Town: Whitelight -- I dont buy the case
Neutral Leaning Town: Limit -- Just cuz
Null: Arabella
Neitral Leaning Scum: Yume
Leaning Scum: Demonic Angel

Please tell us why we're now your top scumpick, Ircher?

-Smarter

Demonic is confirmed now. Postie is confirmed. I townread Gamma and Ranger a lot. Arabella just seems to be moving slow in general, so I'll give them some time. Whitelight I'm mixed on now. I think their Day 1 was decent, but D2, I havent really liked their posts. Yume I could lynch, but Yume's in the neighborhood, so we can try Yume later. You have barely done anything, and while the same is true for me, I know I'm town. Therefore, you've basically gotten PoE'd as my top scumread. You and Yume.

[Ircher]

Demonic is conf town cuz a scumflip from the neighborhood confirms their role.

[Ircher]

Ok, he's not quite conf town yet, but Demonic should be off the lynch list rn npcuz their claim will get sorted in due time.

With such a small neighborhood, it shouldnt take too long for the claim to be proven or disproved.

[Ircher]

No.

[Ircher]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

So like... this is why you killed Antihero? Is that what you're saying?

What makes you think Anti was the nightkill?

~Bee

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

So like... this is why you killed Antihero? Is that what you're saying?

What makes you think Anti was the nightkill?

~Bee

Yeah, why wouldn't scum kill Shotty instead?

Sorry, y'all think scum would kill Shotty, who was getting heat for his softclaim, over Anti, a basically universal townread? Wtf?

Pedit: please do tell how DA is conftown. That post was ew. More later.

-Smarter

Ok, fair about who did what.

But why Shotty for the vig shot? Why not White?

[Ircher]

Well, by process of elimination, either Ircher or Arabella is scum. Antihero flipped town and I am town as well. Therefore, I think it's prudent to add some pressure.

VOTE: Ircher

Town: Ranger, Postie
Scum: WhiteLight, Ircher

This is backed up by the deceased.

1) You're not conf!town
2) Who of the deceased strongly believe I'm scum?

Also, your ISO is filled with completely irrelevant stuff; you aren't trying to scumhunt.

[Ircher]

I never said I was. You listed me as scum & said the deceased support that read. I asked you to provide evidence.

[Ircher]

Then dont be ambigopuous.

[Ircher]

Also, not trying to scumhunt? So giving you guys a room to talk among yourselves is 'not trying to scumhunt'. Okay then, I will flood the thread from now on. >.>

In the thread, you've basically done nothing (granted the same is true for myself). In here, you've also done nothing.

[Ircher]

Town: Ranger, Postie
Scum: WhiteLight, Ircher

This is backed up by the deceased.

Your words.

You simply said "This" not being specific at all, so I assumed you meant all the reads were supported like so.

[Ircher]

But you havent really commented on other players. Breadcrumbing a role & discussing setup generally isnt scumhunting.

Im guilty of some of these things too, yes, that's true. But you must be held accountable too.

[Ircher]

So in other words, you're trying to fly under the radar?

[Ircher]

Hi everyone

VOTE: Postie

I dislike otters.

RVS vote, okay.

Why so low? Just because I dislike otters or is there something else?

How come I must know
Where obsession needs to go
How come I must know
The direction of relieving

The above verse may or may not be important, you decide.

A breadcrumb.....

@Ranger I think I know why I am so low, and I'll tell you that what you're thinking isn't true.

Cryptic post. Null.

Same old, same old.

What is this?

WRYTPIB? I don't understand......

Not interacting really.

The villain has arrived! Watch me wiggle my butt! Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle

Totally off-topic & deliberate attempt to avoid current convo.

It's not a tease. It is important to me, but what's important to me may not be important to the rest of you.

Another breadcrumb.

In your dreams maybe. I'd rather not claim in full for reasons that would become apparent later, but I assure you that I am not a third party.

There are no TPRs; dont remember why this got brought up, but rules clearly indicates its only town & mafia. Useless post.

Heeeeyyyyy Tiiituuusss.....

I am that annoooooyyyinnnggg sploootch youuuu wiiiishhh to geeettt ridddd offfffff

Another off-topic post. Again, avoiding convo.

Well, by process of elimination, either Ircher or Arabella is scum. Antihero flipped town and I am town as well. Therefore, I think it's prudent to add some pressure.

VOTE: Ircher

Very vague. Lackluster reasons for voting me over Arabella.

Town: Ranger, Postie
Scum: WhiteLight, Ircher

This is backed up by the deceased.

Ambiguous post.

I am town, though. And I am not talking about you, I am talking about WL. In our neighborhood, Antihero said that WL is scum and that Ranger is town, or have you forgotten that? Seems awfully convenient for you. Also, I might not be conftown myself, but neither are you, and yet you're acting like you are.

Nah, but thats what ambiguity does.

I never said you being scum was supported by deceased, I said this was, this being that Ranger is town and WL is scum. You're my own scumread which isn't supported by anything but my own intelligence. Way to misinterpret me. :/

Deliberate attempt to push me for something thats your fault.

Also, not trying to scumhunt? So giving you guys a room to talk among yourselves is 'not trying to scumhunt'. Okay then, I will flood the thread from now on. >.>

Not when you do nothing there too.

My role demands that I be ambiguous. Let me guess, next you'll ask me to fullclaim.

It does? Would you get modkilled if you weren't? Also, that AtE......

Well, I'll give you what you want, just say the word.

Vague again, not sure what Yume means....

I don't need to comment. Commenting only gives them the means to deflect suspicion with counter-argument.

Tries to excuse active lurking.

[Ircher]

Also, I only know what conftown, Antihero, said about stuff and am using that as a crutch for my own thoughts. Also, I have real life to deal with too, but I suppose being busy irl doesn't mean anything. This is just a game, chill out. Real life is far more important, something that no one here seems to respect, given that you call out people for 'not scumhunting' because or irl issues.

P.S: Yes, I am if that makes you feel any better, but read what Antihero said in our PT as a response to my softclaim there.

P.P.S: Ranger is town because Antihero said so, my thoughts on WL are similar to majority of people here, Ircher and Bella are scumreads by PoE. That good enough?

1) Dont use RL for an excuse when you had multiple D1 posts spread quite a bit apart that were off-topic Maybe today, but D1, you prob. werent that busy to not interact past 2-3 posts at the beginning.
2) What's the town motivation for that? I'll recheck, but I don't remember Anti saying that your lurking was fine.
3) It was you were ambigous. I already got my answer there.

[Ircher]

Yep, dont see it.

He commented on you possibly being an alt and he'd like a vig to shoot you. He also said you werent realky acting suspicious like I suggested, but he also didnt say you were town.

[Ircher]

What those gotta do with #2 in 367?

Pedit: But not to where people have reasons to scumread you for active lurking.

[Ircher]

Why ya being so indirect?
Postie I'm guessing?

[Ircher]

I actually did not think of that possibility......

That sounds more plausible though.....

[Ircher]

Or, maybe town!Ircher never thought of that scenario. Its an easy oversight.

[Ircher]

Also, wouldn't scum!Ircher want to keep that lynch open?

[Ircher]

Postie *blackmailed* me.

[Ircher]

Ircher stop being bad. WhiteLight is obvscum both from play and the way Titus derailed their wagon.
Vote them if you don't want to be fucking quicklynched tomorrow.

VOTE: White

[Ircher]

This prob. contradicts earlier, but I prefer White to Arabella right now. Arabella hasn't done

much of

anything at all, but White's D2 posts are pretty bad.

[Ircher]

I do still scumread Yume though, and Demonic's no longer conf town for reasons posted. Limit is likely town; I've liked their posts D2.

[Ircher]

If we're lynching me, we should lynch WhiteLight first.

[Ircher]

Why should I claim? No one has given intent to hammer me yet.

[Ircher]

My claim will be very soon..... I'll give you the flavor though:
Flavor is Seshat, Egyptian Goddess of Wisdom.

[Ircher]

I claim Town Cop Neighbor.

Flavor is Seshat, Egyptian Goddess of Wisdom.

I checked Yume last night. I got "No Result".

[Ircher]

For everyone's knowledge,

that's L-1

.

[Ircher]

Why am I being lynched?
Pls give me til evening at least.

Pedit:

[Ircher]

Nice jpb, but I still think the setup was townsided some.

[Ircher]

Also, RC never invited me to the dead pt

[Ircher]

Really?

Even tho it was 4 scum, one of us was Voteless+Double Day.

Another was literally confirmed out of 4 players as scum, and wouldn't really survive in lylo.

Town had a Cop who knew there was a godfather.

Town also has a Hated Doublevoter which is super dangerous.

Scum had a Odd Redirector/Even Watcher (That was super powerful), Loyal Rolestopper (Potiently useful, but ended up not being so), 1-Shot Strongman Absorber Neighborizer (Meh), and a N1, Even-Night Role Cop (Actually fairly weak since I didn't even get full role pms. I literally was given the role name).

PR-wise, it was definitely townsided. (Your role was also pretty powerful).

If RC took out the Double Day modifier on White's role, I could see it as balanced. But, Gamma survived cuz of gameplay. The rest of us got screwed by roles (Titus and White by Postie's Governor Vengeful role, I got screwed by the Informed Townie confirming I was scum)

[Ircher]

PR-wise, it was definitely townsided. (Your role was also pretty powerful).

my role was not "pretty powerful"

the bus driver could've significantly helped town in 1 in a million situations. that does not mean my role was "very powerful."

i honestly didn't understand ur role at all antihero. like, didn't know what i was reading.

It definitely looks powerful.

[Ircher]

Effectively, RC made a 4p Scumteam in to a 2p scumteam with extra night abilities.

[Ircher]

i mean, for a 8-4 is gonna need some strong town abilities. scum could have won after only two mislynches. that's pretty unforgiving. town just played well here in general.

White didnt have a vote. So, 4p --> 3.

Then I got confirmed out of 4p as scum, so while that might generate a ML, no way I'd survive in LyLo or MyLo. So, 3 --> 2.

[Ircher]

EV doesnt acct for play. Town benefits from extra days and more flips.