Mini 1793: Freedom's Call (uPick Anything): Finale

[WhiteLight]

Why isn't Ranger incredibly ingenuine and scummY day 1 like she always is as both alignments

This Postie wagon is interesting and I could easily park my vote here.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

VOTE: Postie

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

This Postie wagon is interesting

What does this mean?

I have nothing better to do with my vote.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

You used the word "interesting" though. What's interesting?

it isn't a bad vote I guess.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Oh wow, the people here remind me of all my worst games.
I like Ranger and Anti for town. Don't feel great about Postie but don't feel great about her wagon either.
VOTE: Arabella for being the hydra that's even slower than us. Also because Ari
-smart

All Anti has done is talk about setup spec from what I can see which isn't neccassarily towny. What do you think is townie that is coming from him?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I am liking Ranger and Shotty for town right now.

[WhiteLight]

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Oh I understand your question now... I feel stupid. I really had no idea what you where asking and I didn't even try to think about it I just shrugged it off as more bad filler you have been doing. Saying "explain your vote on me" and being more direct will yield better results in the future as my reading comprehension is bad.


I had a problem with you calling you saying Shotty was scum for not being able to claim his flavor. I really don't see the advantage in not claiming your flavor as scum. In a u-pick your flavor is far from alignment indicative as it it never changes so there is never a world where your case gets anywhere. It isn't role fishing exactly but it felt more like filler and it didn't serve any purpose other then looking like you are trying to scum hunt from my point of view.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I think the mod would answer, although I still have other concerns with the idea that Shotty's flavor not flipping is impossible.

I don't have a read on limit. Although I liked how they didn't fold there town read on you when I said what you where doing was null which I think comes from town but it is too early for me to say for sure.

I think Postie and Yune are iffy but I don't even think everyone has posted yet and I still haven't spoke to Suzune about this game yet.

Are you scum reading limit or did the way I approached them suggest I was scum reading them?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

^ that was for antihero

[WhiteLight]

^ that was for antihero

why did it bother you that they were townreading me?

You have posts that weren't setup spec which they could have thought was towny so I wanted to see if there was more to there read on you. Also I wanted to see if they would concede to me and revoke there town read on you which would be pretty scummy.

UNVOTE:
I think Posties reaction is pretty legit to be perfectly honest. I think it is more a combination of disagreements on how we think and communication errors that got us to this point. I also don't like the idea of someone being wagoned this hard before everyone has had the chance to post.


~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Holy~

I know I missed the start but never expected quite so much action. Catch up coming

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Yo.

I'm a miller.

Based on the wording in my PM, I'm pretty sure the mafia have a godfather, so our cop should be aiming to get guilties until we lynch that role.
I can clarify details if you'd prefer, but this was the important bit.

Okay I feel good about this miller claim. I will take the godfather with a grain of salt just in case it is godfather like or something of the nature. Best not to allow ourselves to get lock into a mindset.

The above verse may or may not be important, you decide.

I'm not sure I appreciate that this can be taken with a grain of salt. Either it applies or it does not, what is the point of a tease.

To clarify - I believe you about your flavour not flipping and even perhaps that your flavour is some kind of sex creature; what I don't believe is that your flavour doesn't flip purely because the mod deemed it "too sexual".

Does it matter the reason it does not flip? If he dies we will see what happens.

More coming~

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Important to you? Motto or something? I stuck out to me, I read it earlier on my break at work, again when I go home. So I guess, i think it is important too.

[WhiteLight]

That was Suzune...
I will try not to forget to sign them

[WhiteLight]

Yes. There's no reason for him to lie about it as town.

Lynch all liars?

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

What it important to claim that? No. To that regard I fully agree with you because it draws people to them and makes them curious. More or less, I as curious to your line of thinking on the matter. You seem to have a fixed mindset on it and that interested me.

[WhiteLight]

Why are we still having this conversation about shotty's claim.

I was late to the party. So I happened to restart it.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Because I don't think WhiteLight would defend a partner this obviously.

Personally, I am just confused. I did not defend anyone. Instead I asked you about your stance.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Still have my eye on Postie. I don't agree that WhiteLight's defending of shotty is scummy, and 150 trades the assumption that shotty is town for an equally bad one that WhiteLight is scum.

Yet despite this comment. We are still worth of your vote. Quick turn around on this lynch train...

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Thank you for explaining it Smart. I'm still a tad lost on the defense part of Postie's problem with me recently. Since I was not posting from a position of defense rather and interesting piece of interaction when I was reading the topic. I feel as though, I am being pushed into a defense, I did not form myself.

Which last comment, the one where I questioned your vote. Or the one where I noticed how fast the train moved. The first one was a tip of frustration because I am feeling a tad lost here. The second was an observation.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

another fucking ircher game

This is typical behaviour of him?

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

White, what do you have to say for yourself after yesterday's wagon?

At least we lynched scum in the end. If you are implying that Postie was a counter wagon I don't know what you want us to say because we weren't even on the wagon.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Arabella has no content; Yume's content doesn't give me a read.

We really cannot afford this kind of play anymore. In order to assess the game, everyone is going to need to have a voice and speak up.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

So, someone remind of the White case; I didnt see it.

Sure why not. I was accused of defending someone, when I was actually commenting on Postie's behaviour. Then my follow up post to the accusation was too hostile. And my other half skipped a question.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Suzune also isn't putting that much in.

I joined the game at the earliest possible moment I could. I feel like I contribute quite a bit to this team, so I would appreciate if you did not act as though I was invisible.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Titus probably saw that the Postie wagon was incredibly likely and as a result of them being a "counter wagon" to us we would be an easy lynch to follow up on. Considering the position we were in yesterday do you really think Titus would essentially kill herself by driving a counter wagon on a buddy that would probably be lynched in the following day phase? We aren't a counter wagon we are being setup. (The limit does not exist case incoming)
I was also incredibly apethetic yesterday because Antihero has lynched me before as a claimed Gunsmith day 1 so I just was going to assume he would be incredibly stubborn again.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

So the Limit slot I thought would be incredibly easy to town read.
Lilith has an incredibly unconventional way of thinking and tends to point out unique things from a town mindset.
Something_Smart the last time I saw him play as town was trying to interact with people every moment he could so he could get his reads.

When you add these 2 players together what do you get? Certainly hydra we are seeing this game. This reminds me a lot of one of the hydras I had where we rolled scum and where both so paranoid of screwing up for the other player we just never really posted at all.

I also want to assume that Titus isn't the only scum on the Postie wagon considering how fast it went and I am willing to bet they were trying to setup a hammer.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

~Bee

VOTE: Limit

[WhiteLight]

So the Limit slot I thought would be incredibly easy to town read.
Lilith has an incredibly unconventional way of thinking and tends to point out unique things from a town mindset.
Something_Smart the last time I saw him play as town was trying to interact with people every moment he could so he could get his reads.

When you add these 2 players together what do you get? Certainly hydra we are seeing this game. This reminds me a lot of one of the hydras I had where we rolled scum and where both so paranoid of screwing up for the other player we just never really posted at all.

I also want to assume that Titus isn't the only scum on the Postie wagon considering how fast it went and I am willing to bet they were trying to setup a hammer.

Ranger I am down to lynch Ircher if you want but if you put any effort into following pokemon mafia after you died or remember SS' scum play from Fire and Ice mafia you would see how off this slot is this game.

~Bee

VOTE: Limit

[WhiteLight]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I've liked Limit's play so far for town.

Clearly you have never played with either head.

I also like the idea of lynching outside the neighborhood since it forces the scum to kill outside of it to give them more mislynch options.

[WhiteLight]

^ is REALLY bad. starting to call everyone's play bad and saying that everyone needs to be playing better while they're being scumread is EXACTLY what scum will try when they don't think they can get away with pushing on people they think look town but still need a way to try to discredit people scum reading them.

I would personally like to hear more from Yume. It is something I am interesting at looking into. I think you need to watch your excitement there, I did not call anyone's play bad. Just that the two people without in game opinions and voices I would like to hear more from going into today.

As far as anti goes, his playstyle looked at angles and searches out points that made sense. I felt very townie to me. They were also resolute in their opinion and chased it hard which is not a scum quality for day one.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

That leaves {Gamma, Ircher, Whitelight, Ranger, Yume, Arabella, Limit).

Put of those, I feel Limit --> Yume --> Arabella are scum, in that order.

Four scum seems like a lot of people Ircher. Are you suggesting you know something?

[WhiteLight]

That was also Suz

[WhiteLight]

Ircher stop being bad. WhiteLight is obvscum both from play and the way Titus derailed their wagon.
Vote them if you don't want to be fucking quicklynched tomorrow.

Nah we are town so we are either lynching Ircher or Limit today.

[WhiteLight]

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Ircher stop being bad. WhiteLight is obvscum both from play and the way Titus derailed their wagon.
Vote them if you don't want to be fucking quicklynched tomorrow.

VOTE: White

So what did you vote your town read?

[WhiteLight]

VOTE: Ircher

Ok this is definitely scum, no town would ever vote a town read like that.

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

I dont want to be Qlynched.

Town should not care about survival. To town winning is a team activity. The only ones that care about survival are the mafia.
~Suz

[WhiteLight]

Does your sole purpose in this game exist to be, to tell me how bad everyone of my posts is. I am approaching beyond annoyance with you.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

I never declared a town read on you. Neither of us have posted a read on you.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

@white- why do you think you would have been lynched today and why would titus assume that?

Antihero was obv town and is an incredibly stubborn player that definitely would have kept pushing us. We where also at L-2 with 0 people opposed to our lynch.

~Bee

So like... this is why you killed Antihero? Is that what you're saying?

What makes you think Anti was the nightkill?

~Bee

[WhiteLight]

Oh yeah and while we're on the topic of nightkills - any ideas about why we had three deaths? Scum/town vig? PGO?

I would like to think that a paranoid gun owner would have claimed given the setup. So my money is on a vig.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

I did not avoid doing something I should have done. Personally, I would like you to be mafia. You have frustrated me because you seem to think that poking every single one of my posts after I make them by saying how bad they are is a strategy. Poking with no real backing is a mafia quality because it mean you are hoping to bring poor attention to me for undefined reasons. Not a single one of my posts that I have made today came from either poor reasoning or not having a logical connection. The fact that you dislike everything suggests you want me to get lynched highly. However, that is not alone to quantify a scum case because we have been universally scum read the entire game. Since the whole lot of people cannot be scum, I am forced to make cases based on more then that. You interaction with everyone else besides me is quite low though, therefore, I have little to go on other then the posts to me and my feelings of frustration. Bee suggests not poking you back because I will make it worse, but if you want to keep going, I will fight back. For me you are a scum lean because you are only invested in how we look.

~Suz

[WhiteLight]

WL, has your read on us changed since you voted us?

-Smarter

You are more null right now as you are starting to engage and it is meeting the expectations I had going into this game (idk where Lilith is though).

Hey, guys, I'm finally here. I'll be super busy all week, though I'll try to find time for this.

Wow, though, this game looks solvable. Postie is town, Demonic is probably town, Ranger and Gamma are strong townreads, and I'm having a very hard time visualizing a scumteam that's not Ircher/WhiteLight.

This does not feel like beeboy's town play at all; besides misrepping my meta and my play this game, there's Ranger's points and I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting (whenever I have to catch up, I form reads but I tend to forget the individual reasons for them). Ircher's play has been similarly weak and his townread on White followed by a vote on them is the most awkward thing I've seen in a long time.

I'd be comfortable voting either one, but I don't see the need to have another short day since we've got time.
-smart

Well you said thing about how you did "not feel like this is beeboy's town play" the last time we played together and I was definitely town in the last game we played together. So there is a serious gap on your understanding of how I play as town and as scum.
Another thing is that the only way I could possibly be misreping you is if you think that Pokemon mafia was an outlier in terms of how well you played because your day one in pokemon mafia was definitely a lot higher quality then your day 1 here. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is a misrep unfortunately. Just because your day 2 is good it doesn't change the fact that I really didn't like your day 1 to be perfectly honest.

If you are fine voting either let's vote Ircher together

~Bee