Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

[Flubbernugget]

So my first thought is if we discuss the optimal way for scum to hop on wagons they won't be able to do it

[Flubbernugget]

So my first thought is if we discuss the optimal way for scum to hop on wagons they won't be able to do it

OK, let's think about this...they see a wagon forming...they vote. There, solved that, now they can't do it. I mean WTF?

Are you saying all scum are opportunistic?

You don't think anyone here is going to say "I'm hopping on this wagon because my pr is REALLY IMPORTANT" just to get "roleblocked" the next day?

If you don't think the mechanics of this game are going to change the way people play....why did you join it???

[Flubbernugget]

Nah, Flubber setup specc'ing reminds me of town-Flubber.
What was the game that you made that chart in, Flubber?
At least, I'm pretty sure you were town in that one.

I've never made a chart to my memory.

I very rarely partake in setup spec. There usually ends up being too much information that I have to try and keep organized in my mind to really work with it, but I wish to improve that aspect of my game, hence my current strategy.

[Flubbernugget]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

What exactly did you like about the heat wagon?

[Flubbernugget]

That post from Flubber doesn't look like a good enough reason for a vote IMO

This post from you looks good enough for a vote, but I don't want to leave the wagon. WTF, how much of a reason do you need to vote someone early D1? Not much.

True I guess. I'll bite.
VOTE: Flubber

That was weird

Agreed.

[Flubbernugget]

What would have been a good answer to that? "Lol no your advice sucks"?

Actually yes.

But only if you were town and actually trying to scumhunt

[Flubbernugget]

This is going to be one of those games isn't it?

Dude I was going to make the EXACT same post at the end of page 4.
- Max

I would like one of "those games" defined.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: sircakez

He seems afraid of his own shadow rn, let alone actual players.

I wonder why

[Flubbernugget]

I also have Hellhound for scum right now, but I could easily see that changing within the next 24-48 hours

[Flubbernugget]

So you're saying I don't try exclusively as town?

[Flubbernugget]

I'm showing the contradiction in his accusation I really don't see the problem

[Flubbernugget]

Well in the Celebrity uPick you were town and you barely tried.

And I posted several times as to why

I don't think a single person could have replaced into that game and not ripped their hair out of their heads five minutes afterwards

[Flubbernugget]

He's got a story

and he's sticking to it, dammit

[Flubbernugget]

not try as town and scum but only try as scum is a contradiction

like, mathematically so

[Flubbernugget]

I'm taking three computer classes and a physics class so everything exists in some sort of an algebra to me right now o.O

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think we're getting anywhere discussing this

[Flubbernugget]

Like I can drop that part of my case on sircakez and the tonal part of it still holds strong

[Flubbernugget]

This is the peak of a mood swing for me

Plz fill the thread before I crash guys ;-;

[Flubbernugget]

low-key noting I didn't have to vote to get the game out of rvs B-)

[Flubbernugget]

here's a flubb isodive
138 i'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this post.
find it also interesting that flubb is "building up" to a cakez vote. i find the timing of the vote as something potentially scum indic but will wait to hear your response. seems like you want to build up a progression without voting until that progression is strong enough so that people won't call you out on that shit. basically you were calling out multiple scummy things that cakez did without placing a vote. why did you do that?

Check the timestamps between that "post progression." There is no time for people to respond to the progression for me to be called out on anything. I read the thread, respond to anything I see that I feel needs a response, and vote when I've finished reading.

Can you explain to me how a typical quotewall case that sits in one post is syntactically different from this? I assume you wouldn't call that "building up" to a vote.

[Flubbernugget]

you gonna explain this?

no

[Flubbernugget]

sircakez wagon is probably a red herring

distracting from what, exactly?

[Flubbernugget]

Heat wagon was RVS though. I took Persivul's vote as trying to start a serious wagon on Flubber, then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber. Then people all got on my balls. That was my train of thought.
And the last time I played with Flubber and he actually tried he was scum so :/

@Hellhound

Sircakez completely ignored how rash the timing of his change of vote was in this post. Do you think that's something town would do?

[Flubbernugget]

why

[Flubbernugget]

because you still haven't said why [whatever it is you said] -------> scum

you just kind of said it

He went from unconvinced by the case on me to convinced in three minutes. Without explanation, that's incredibly dissonant.

[Flubbernugget]

um...

ok

[Flubbernugget]

then he pointed out it was still sarly game and there wouldn't be much good evidence, which I then agreed with and voted Flubber.

Are you telling me Cakez shouldn't have recognized this on his own?

That's a tough pill to swallow

[Flubbernugget]

um...

ok

yeah, i don't know where you're getting "convinced"

If he wasn't convinced in what persuvial was saying about me, why did he vote me?

[Flubbernugget]

But then that's what he should have said?

Also I'm not explaining why dissonance is scummy

[Flubbernugget]

I think the conflict comes from trying to walk through the hard logic of posting that just "sounds" skeevy

[Flubbernugget]

This game feels very cold and shallow right now

Something exciting needs to happen

[Flubbernugget]

everything is a beta blocker in a high enough dosage

[Flubbernugget]

How is cakez a counterwagon to one vote?

And I'm 110% sure you have me confused with someone else

[Flubbernugget]

Page top of page 1 says 1774.

Wasnt 1776 being reserved for some sort of revolution mafia?

[Flubbernugget]

Well I guess it's just one letter off

*shrug*

[Flubbernugget]

Are you saying all scum are opportunistic?

I'm saying everyone - scum and town - like PRs, so you won't be able to distinguish scum from town by the way the mechanics of this game affect behavior.

You don't think anyone here is going to say "I'm hopping on this wagon because my pr is REALLY IMPORTANT" just to get "roleblocked" the next day?

If you don't think the mechanics of this game are going to change the way people play....why did you join it???

See above. But I'm willing to listen. How will the mechanics of this game make scum play differently from town?

I see where you're coming from now but I answered your question in the post you quoted. I think scum is more likely to be on a wagon for the sake of a pr than town; in this player set I anticipate town being mature enough to not seek so much personal gain.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: persy

I really don't think persuvial is scum rn but I'm interested in your case

[Flubbernugget]

Yes hello

[Flubbernugget]

I prefer Xanax and prostitutes

[Flubbernugget]

Why are you concerned about a read on you I'm refusing to explain? That should be the least of your concerns

[Flubbernugget]

I see where you're coming from now but I answered your question in the post you quoted. I think scum is more likely to be on a wagon for the sake of a pr than town; in this player set I anticipate town being mature enough to not seek so much personal gain.

So you think all the scum will be on the first wagon?

And as I said before...doesn't saying this ruin its usefulness?

Definitely a possibility, especially if we successfully AM one.

I don't understand why you think saying something so people are more likely to look for it ruins its usefulness.

[Flubbernugget]

I can't see any pushes you make about this actually changing your read on me because of how much you disagree so I'm not 100% sure why you still want to talk about it

[Flubbernugget]

Why are you concerned about a read on you I'm refusing to explain? That should be the least of your concerns

I am not concerned, I am just creating discussion.

It's not working

What has anti done that you think is scummy?

[Flubbernugget]

Scum is going to hop on a wagon for the sake of getting a pr because that's what scum would but they're not actually scum but they could be?

Like you can't actually get into wifom based off of what I said

[Flubbernugget]

I think this is the second argument I've gotten into that's going to make town go zzzzzzz but I can't pinpoint what's making it that way

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: persy

I really don't think persuvial is scum rn but I'm interested in your case

Yeah, maybe with some prompting you can change your read on me in 24 - 48 hours.

I just saw this

Why are you so butthurt about me not explaining

one unsubstantiated read

when I've been willing to talk about literally everything else?

[Flubbernugget]

I am telegraphing that my read is subject to change. On one player. Fucking sue me.

I think we are too far in the game for there not to be some sort of explanation for a naked vote

[Flubbernugget]

Firebringer! I thought you were ready to chat! Where did you go

[Flubbernugget]

What has anti done that you think is scummy?

4 u <3

[Flubbernugget]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

HOW AM I DANCING AROUND ANYTHING ARE YOU SHITTING ME

I GOT SUCKED INTO A FUCKING BRUTALLY AWFUL CONVERSATION AND NOW ITS MY FAULT IT EVER OCCURRED

THATS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

You're reading waaaaaaay too much into it and implying my read on you is influencing others

[Flubbernugget]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

HOW AM I DANCING AROUND ANYTHING ARE YOU SHITTING ME

I GOT SUCKED INTO A FUCKING BRUTALLY AWFUL CONVERSATION AND NOW ITS MY FAULT IT EVER OCCURRED

THATS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

In addition, how is one of us scummy for being on your wagon while one of us isn't?

[Flubbernugget]

I meant that for sircakez

[Flubbernugget]

What has anti done that you think is scummy?

4 u <3

[Flubbernugget]

Speaking of which Varsoon, why haven't we butted heads yet? O.o

pedit booooo

[Flubbernugget]

Also I think pirate mollie and titus use spreadsheets when they play mafia but don't quote me on that, and that's technically not walking through stuff w/ a notebook

[Flubbernugget]

Antimutagen: Hellhound

Their interactions with Specter Deflecters and the way they danced around my wagon felt really icky to me. Flubber has been scummier though so just an AM for Hellhound for now.

HOW AM I DANCING AROUND ANYTHING ARE YOU SHITTING ME

I GOT SUCKED INTO A FUCKING BRUTALLY AWFUL CONVERSATION AND NOW ITS MY FAULT IT EVER OCCURRED

THATS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

In addition, how is one of us scummy for being on your wagon while one of us isn't?

??
That's not what I'm scumreading you for.

You're right

But you are scumreading me for "faking" setup spec and for trying so hard?

[Flubbernugget]

Don't pull that 'erryone is kicking me man feels bad' appeal.
You did open the game with a spooky gif.
Besides, this sounds like scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons.
What don't you agree with with regards to how Max, Flubber, and Cakes are pushing you?
Why does it seem like 'getting kicked in the face'? Even I thought your all-caps outburst post was a bit much, mayne.

-V

In addition to this, was I even pushing you?

[Flubbernugget]

For you;

This post is Flubber approved

[Flubbernugget]

Given the first chance of swinging a counterwagon--when SirCakes was shown to have some vote support, Hellhound went for it.

This is 100% factually wrong

[Flubbernugget]

The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

That's not coaching, it's scolding

[Flubbernugget]

This isn't the first time someone's said 'FB feels town to me';

Were they right?

I did a test this morning - I read the beginning of his ISOs in several games without checking his alignment beforehand, and I read him right in 4 of 5 games (the fifth I wasn't right or wrong, I couldn't get a feel one way or the other). Those weren't hydras, but he was operating mostly solo at the beginning of this one.

I would like you to quantify this

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think hellhound is scum anymore

I do like my vote for scum still. I would like to see more aggressive pushes from Sircakez.

I would be willing to compromise lynch eap come deadline. I don't like his push on hellhound

[Flubbernugget]

Why do you want quantification since you no longer scum read them either? How will my citing game numbers help your reads? I'll do it if you have a good answer, but rn I don't see the motivation for the request.

Quantification is the wrong word.

I want you to put the way you read firebringer into words because you were probably saying town more than scum, which statistically makes your "read" on him more likely to be correct

[Flubbernugget]

Because right now I'm basing my read off the anti head

Your resistance to trying to explain a read is also duly noted

[Flubbernugget]

And you're just claiming now because?

Read my like 5 post iso darling.

Cakez question holds weight.

We don't know how much of the thread you read before you decided to claim

[Flubbernugget]

Hi guys, the fire half is back and going to do catch up.
Anti told me he is a little frustrated so I will be taking over this hydra for now.

I'm torn between seeing anti's upset being genuine and expecting Firebringer to run the majority of the hydra in the event the slot drew scum

[Flubbernugget]

am:hellhound

[Flubbernugget]

Which last post?

[Flubbernugget]

I am still concerned that you realized you weren't going to get a solid hold on the thread and decided to claim Miller after realizing the fact

[Flubbernugget]

I am still concerned that you realized you weren't going to get a solid hold on the thread and decided to claim Miller after realizing the fact

What do you think the significance of that observation would be?

Laying low would look worse on you than other players

But I forgot you were waiting for the mod to get back to you for something so back to square one I guess

[Flubbernugget]

Privately?

Like, in your scum pt?

[Flubbernugget]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Flubbernugget]

Or we could just lynch heat while he's vla and get some mutations...

p-edit: yeah, privately?

privately meaning: not with votes.

We decide lynch target without votes, and then we choose who is allowed to join that wagon. Anyone breaks that, we lynch them.

Guarentees who gets powers when, etc.

Are you going to organize this whole thing or just throw it out there?

[Flubbernugget]

I could see ice being scum

[Flubbernugget]

Should I flavorclaim? Like everyone else apparently has scientific roles and this is really bizarre so better to clear it up earlier then later.

I dont like this

[Flubbernugget]

I like anti's recent posts on eap. I would like to see their rebuttal.

I'm also interested in what reads Sircakez has

[Flubbernugget]

The only way people can respond to that is if they use information from their own roles

[Flubbernugget]

You say that like the flavor is insignificant

And if it's insignificant you wouldn't have to claim it!!

[Flubbernugget]

But if it's not significant to there role...

....forget it

[Flubbernugget]

*their

[Flubbernugget]

@mod

what's going good on with the replacement?

[Flubbernugget]

*going on

[Flubbernugget]

You're right. I missed it in 497

[Flubbernugget]

You don't believe his miller claim?

His play is coasting to hard for me to town read that claim

[Flubbernugget]

You're right. I missed it in 497

You also missed his 3 in a row posts???

I was concerned that he was posting before a formal mod introduction

[Flubbernugget]

Hiplop is playing better than I've previously seen but idk what to make of it

[Flubbernugget]

guys, lynch flubber. He slipped quite heavily.

You should probably elaborate so you can trip over your own words and have everyone ignore you

[Flubbernugget]

Anti you saw him in inorganic chemistry

Regardless of alignment he's doing better than that

[Flubbernugget]

Anti you saw him in inorganic chemistry

Regardless of alignment he's doing better than that

The game where I go quicklynched day 2 for no reason?

riiiiiiight

The fact that you're not getting quicklynched here for no reason implies you're playing better regardless of alignment?

[Flubbernugget]

I can list a handful of players that never get lynched for no good reason

[Flubbernugget]

You're again proving my point that the best scum and town players don't lurk

[Flubbernugget]

Which is why I'm struggling to pull your alignment from the change in play

Lol

[Flubbernugget]

I'm honestly more concerned that you took what I said as a personal insult than how it actually affects the game at this point

[Flubbernugget]

I'm honestly more concerned that you took what I said as a personal insult than how it actually affects the game at this point

it kind of was a personal insult

Quote me where I insulted past his play.

[Flubbernugget]

Lol sike

[Flubbernugget]

Hey zakk

Theres like 50 hrs till deadline

Do something with your vote?

[Flubbernugget]

I haven't said anything either

What makes persi so special?

[Flubbernugget]

Use your

buzz

words hiplop

[Flubbernugget]

am hiplop

[Flubbernugget]

Zzzzzzz

[Flubbernugget]

So?

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Shiro

L1 avoiding nl

[Flubbernugget]

Go ahead and am me. We have 4 hours to deadline.

[Flubbernugget]

You do realize I still get an ability if this lynch goes through right

[Flubbernugget]

While I'm at it, what do you expect to accomplish in 4 hours that you didn't hammer?

[Flubbernugget]

Lol Sircakez is making another shit push

[Flubbernugget]

A shit push on your scumbuddy?

What the fuck reason did you have to kill an inactive miller?

I can play this game too!!

[Flubbernugget]

Weigh in o eap while you're here

[Flubbernugget]

By the time cakez finally eats rope this recent push will be a good source of town points

[Flubbernugget]

Oh no he thought about hammering a wagon but never did

[Flubbernugget]

How is this different from your early push on me?

[Flubbernugget]

It's a flip flop within the same time frame

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: cakez

I'm still torn on eap. Their pushes have a microfixation to them that I expect from varsoon. D1 was bad but I agree with them now that the unvote from hellhound was scummy. I can see Firebringer doing that as a gambit to force the day to a no lynch (though for other reasons I do still think this slot is town)

[Flubbernugget]

He had reservations on the wagon and then didn't

You had reservations on my wagon and then didn't

[Flubbernugget]

I can see Firebringer doing that as a gambit to force the day to a no lynch (though for other reasons I do still think this slot is town)

Have you seen Firebringer do gambits like that before?
What reasons do you have for townreading Hellhound?
Why the Cakez Vote? I mean, aside from his current lane push.

I don't recall seeing firebringer as scum honestly. His trolling style makes a play like that fit his town meta very well though.

When anti is scum he has a very distinct non-confrontational meta to him. I'm not seeing that here. I was suspicious of Firebringer coaching anti, but the current dissonance plus anti's very dynamic means of having conversation with people makes that very unlikely.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: cakez

I'm still torn on eap. Their pushes have a microfixation to them that I expect from varsoon. D1 was bad but I agree with them now that the unvote from hellhound was scummy. I can see Firebringer doing that as a gambit to force the day to a no lynch (though for other reasons I do still think this slot is town)

I can't predict what Scum!Fire would do in that situation. Cause to be honest, I am kinda random as scum. Or try to be at least. But I imagine I wouldn't do that, though I wouldn't want to push Shiro to begin with either likely.

-Fire

You say you play random as scum but don't sell me on the idea that a deadline unvote like that doesn't fit a random or erratic play

[Flubbernugget]

He had reservations on the wagon and then didn't

You had reservations on my wagon and then didn't

Oh the RVS wagon thing. How is that comparable to an end-day wagon at all?

I dunno

Maybe the fact that they're both wagons

But as persuvial showed,

There was more reason for Lane to flip flop than you, but you still chose to be dense about the question.

[Flubbernugget]

Flub: You called Cakez's push shit but don't comment on hiplop following it? Still though, town.

Do you really think me trying to interact with hiplop would be productive

[Flubbernugget]

Also there's like a page of content between this post any my last and I still got prodded what the fuck

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber I am having difficulty on sorting you. Yesterday I thought you were town. Now I have you at null because you seem to have openned yourself basically to push anyone you want with some of your posts and your just searching for best person to pressure among the candidates...

I'm interested as to how you see that since I'm still pushing my D1 read

[Flubbernugget]

I know nothing about your relationship with Hiplop tbh. Do you guys have a thing?
- Max

You didn't see him lose his shit for half a page?

[Flubbernugget]

Line's lack of activity is starting to bug me

[Flubbernugget]

Also there's like a page of content between this post any my last and I still got prodded what the fuck

[Flubbernugget]

Why don't I remember you doing anything Lane?

[Flubbernugget]

I know nothing about your relationship with Hiplop tbh. Do you guys have a thing?
- Max

You didn't see him lose his shit for half a page?

Oh, you were talking about this game. And I kinda forgot about that. (i DID skim last day)
nvm
So I gotta ask.. you avoided commenting/asking hip about that vote because he lost his shit at the end of day 1? y/n?
- Max

I haven't interacted with him since.

[Flubbernugget]

Line's lack of activity is starting to bug me

Haha says the guy coming back from a prod

Vote: lane

what?

[Flubbernugget]

Line's lack of activity is starting to bug me

Haha says the guy coming back from a prod

Vote: lane

what?

what?

, what?

It seems as though you think your vote is self explanatory.

It isn't.

[Flubbernugget]

Poe, how come you're not too busy to fight with anti but can't read the thread?

[Flubbernugget]

Also, zakk is closer to vig bait than lynchbait

[Flubbernugget]

You can't follow the Cakez/Lane thing because it makes no fucking sense so theres that

[Flubbernugget]

lane thats not happening