Mini 1776: Evolution Mafia (Game Over)

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As of page two, would lynch Persivul or Hellhound, not both, processing....

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I am also waiting for mod clarification on a thing.

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I think I know almost none of the players in this game.

It's a strange feeling.

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I feel like it's going to be a problem.

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I am a miller.

I will appear to be mafia if a cop investigates me at night. The role does not interact with other investigate roles.

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Now I will read and vote for someone in this brave new world of 2016.

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Reading this game makes me feel like I need an adult.

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I feel like SirCakes has lots of votes and I barely know that he's a player in this game.

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And you're just claiming now because?

Read my like 5 post iso darling.

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everything is a beta blocker in a high enough dosage

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But I'm willing to listen.

Does Percy do outrageous stuff like this as town?

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I think Hellhound is town.

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The speed at which the wagon picked up on Hellhound and then dropped, followed by Hellhound still seeming tense to the point of wanting Firebringer to run damage control just strikes me as particularly weird.

What strikes me as weird is the way you push HH, but throw in some seeming coaching posts like 302 and 306.

This is weird. I think if you thought HH was scum, you would not have this response to someone saying that HH was sketchy.

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Really not liking how Anti flailed then gave up and gave control to Fire. Doesn't seem very townie of him to run away like that, especially since EAP has good points.

FB feels town to me. I don't know Anti well enough (barely at all) to personally judge if his frustration is genuine or not, but I wouldn't think someone with his experience would freak out so easily as scum.

Anti is always a little spastic I think from what I remember.

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I'm also kinda thinking more about persivul than a lot of other players I'm reading about, probably because I recognize him a little from GD.

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But I'm willing to listen.

Does Percy do outrageous stuff like this as town?

Shocking!

I think outrageous or ostentatious is closer.

I think I want to vote you, mainly as a symbol that I would like to deepen our relationship and/or determine your alignment.

VOTE: Persivul

Who can say what's true.

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Should we Anti-mutagen Icerint just in case he's scum claiming miller.

Frankly I don't think we should bother with AM votes until we have identified the lynch target. Then players should AM whoever they think is scum on said wagon.

As is, people are using either votes or AMvotes to indicate their scumreads, which makes it unnecessarily difficult to track players' reads.

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That's not how anti-mutagens work. The vote prevents people from receiving a mutation the next cycle, if someone is voted for the anti-mutagen they'll still get to mutate for being on the wagon, they just won't be able to the following day.
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Also, how do people using AM votes for their scumreads make it difficult to track reads? Lynch vote is most scum, AM vote is second-most scum. And then you consolidate and compromise as normal.
- Max

As I understand it, you only mutate if you are on the lynchwagon (regardless of the alignment that flips). This means that AM votes are useless if they aren't on lynchvoters. Just say you find someone suspicious and won't vote them if you want to...think someone is scum...and not vote for them....

You're correct that AM'd players can still use abilities the following night.

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Maybe we should all just decide on someone that should never mutate? Hm.

It's all public. It's going to the same as the lynchvote, with the nuance that people can fuck up and lynch before everyone has contributed.

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And you're just claiming now because?

Read my like 5 post iso darling.

Cakez question holds weight.

We don't know how much of the thread you read before you decided to claim

Only up to my last post.

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I didn't notice anything in the intervening space that would significantly modulate how it would rationally be interpreted tho.

Which doesn't mean it wasn't there I guess.

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what's your flavor?

Gerobatrachus hottoni

It says I'm an amphibean that lived during a certain period near Texas and gives some modern descendants.

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I am still concerned that you realized you weren't going to get a solid hold on the thread and decided to claim Miller after realizing the fact

What do you think the significance of that observation would be?

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Which last post?

The one before the one where I claimed.

I got home from work, had stuff from weguewruts, and claimed. Then I read the thread and commented on stuff as I read it.

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(I'm pretty sure that was relatively clear from how I posted?)

(Unless I deliberately appeared to be reading posts after the fact.)

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@Ice Why can't we just use AM as kind of a more formal FoS? That way, "scum-ish" players will still be less likely to get powers. Maybe I am having trouble following you?

I similarly think FoS/IGMEOY/ALLNONVOTES are dumb aspects of the site meta that (thankfully) mostly faded way and I don't see as much now.

I think that town players rarely work very well when they simultaneously try to push lots of players at one time (even if they do entertain multiple possibilities). The result is that everything is disorganized and the thread is hard to follow. By contrast, FoS/IGMEOY makes it easy for scum to establish a record of "pressure" of whatever sort they like while having a benign effect on the VC.

If you want to just hang your AM on a scummy player to prevent your vote not being counted due to a quicklynch, I suppose that's fine. That's the most rational premature use I can think of. But it seems dumb to make a post about X player being so scummy and then to AMvote them. Just vote them if they're scummy.

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Slow day...

I'm also kinda thinking more about persivul than a lot of other players I'm reading about, probably because I recognize him a little from GD.

If you know me from GD, you should take outrageous as par for the course.

Well, there's being a bit zany, and there's being a bit zanyscummy, and your approach to the game feels like the latter.

But it would not surprise me if you were always that way.

I will probably rely to an extent on how other people who appear to've played with you react to what you're doing, because I have never read more content than is absolutely necessary, except for maybe twice.

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I'm assuming the flavor is very very varied considering how different Ice and my flavor are. His is all serious and scientific and mine is basically a joke so...

Mine is definitely scientific in tone.

My guess is that scum have fakeclaims if anything about them is indicative of anything.

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why did you wait so late to claim miller?

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I obviously would have spelled it out if I thought it needed to be spelled out.

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His "this is gonna be one of those games" comment tho is kinda nullscum to me cause it just reminds me of throwing hands up instead of explaining or talking to ppl

Null...scum?

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this is from a full reread of the game, not just ISOs

EAP: I like what EAP says about Cakez on the Heat wagon in 153. I will note that I also think that the EAP push on hellhound was misguided imo but can come from a town perspective definitely. But i will note that pushing someone who isn't posting a lot of content, i feel is mislynch logic. I do notice some other people along with IANV trying to push some low-activity people which makes no sense to me because why would effort indicate alignment unless it was some insanely real meta dichotomy if you catch my drift.

hiplop: I don't want to go into detail about why I thought/think hiplop was/is scum until i'm more confident in it. I do think that hiplop's strategy might work if we were a little more coordinated and had a little more time, but it's just not feasible.

Hellhound: Like I said before, I find little validity in what other people argue for hellhound being scum. I don't think that necessarily makes the people that push hellhound scum.

Heat: Heat's catchup failed to take a lot of good stances but I think he makes some good points.

SirCakez: I don't think the change in Flubber was particularly bad. When you consider it, it seems coming more from a town perspective than scum motivation. However, that being said, I do think that his response to the resulting pressure was bad.

lane: Looking back on it, lane's entrance was really bland. I originally liked the cakes push, the narrative that he was pushing was at least better than Shiro's but that doesn't really mean much to me anymore. The push on Apricity makes me HIGHLY uncomfortable. I dont know what to think about lane's observation on the EAP push on hellhound, I thought that was definitely something that merited lane's vote so it makes it weird that lane didn't vote.

Shiro: The early game was something that I felt needed a good response for me to ignore. did not deliver. I also dislike the SirCakez push.

Apricity: This townread on Apri is a meta read, and so I don't want to put too much stock in it. However, I will note that I felt there were a lot of things that pinged me in space invaders that came from Apri when Apri was conftown, meaning that behavior that I find scummy isn't actually very indicative. 382 - I don't necessarily agree with shiro admitting that the post looked scummy makes shiro scum, but i do think that others might come to that conclusion.

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Flubbernugget: 174 seems weird to me no matter how I look at it. But his reaction to my push on him seemed legit. I do agree with Persivul in 248 and I think that Persivul is town for now, and Flubber is someone that I might consider. I agree with a lot of what Flubber says on page 14, so there is that.

Persivul: I don't think that Pers is particularly scum for pushing the Heat wagon, but I do think that there is some oddness to the way that the Heat wagon developed. I don't understand how Cakez tries to defend the Heat wagon as something that was legit, feels odd to me. I do think that the Flubberpush early on for the strategy discussion was bad, but genuine. Persivul's game later on sort of doesn't really strike me as particularly good.

zakk/shadow: Shadow keeps the interactions to a minimum, really only talking about firebringer. I personally the reluctance to interact with the playerlist as a whole possibly scummy, but then again, the activity level from this slot kind of skews that data.

Other than shiro, I would seriously consider hiplop and lane.
I would weakly consider Persivul and flubber for now.

-EP

So like after all that work, why not vote for someone?

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@Ice

He is kind of voting me ? Like how did you miss that ?

Did you read any of the post I quoted?

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Hiplop is playing better than I've previously seen

Oh dear.

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@Ice

He is kind of voting me ? Like how did you miss that ?

Did you read any of the post I quoted?

you didn't make a good point. who cares if he didn't change the vote?

firebringer brought up the fact that you make really surface-level, crappy comments and upon inspection of your iso that's....

true

do you have anything... good?

The point of putting effort into the game and evaluating players is to vote for scum.

It's a waste of time if you don't do that, or it means you were reading for a different purpose.

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Shiro's bizarre defense is strange because the post also doesn't contain continued justification for a push on Shiro.

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The point of putting effort into the game and evaluating players is to vote for scum.

It's a waste of time if you don't do that, or it means you were reading for a different purpose.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

platitudes

Ask a stupid question, etc.

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Unvote; Vote: Specter Deflectors

AM: Specter Deflectors

I think they are most likely to flip scum. I think their posts suggest broad attention to the game that is designed to offend no one. The reasoning for scumplayers that they're pushing with relative conviction is disproportionate to evident depth of thought about those players (e.g., the case on hiplop is that they have a good, unrealistic idea but may be scum; other players are kinda scummy but may be town, etc).

I don't think they will be lynched today, so I'm putting my AM here for now.

I don't think Shiro is scum. He's kind of temperamental, but I think that's more likely to be town than scum, especially while the lynch is not a foregone conclusion.

I don't know anyone's meta.

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VOTE: Shiro
We need to consolidate and Shiro is not giving me town vibes at all compared to when I've been town with here before (Basic uPick micro).

Antimutagen: Hiplop

This slot is still p bad. Him shooting down the Shiro wagon is terrible.

This is a post that says "I basically want to lynch any popular wagon."

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Was going to say that I preferred hiplop to Shiro.

Shiro's VT claim means Shiro should be the lynch.

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So, I'm inclined to hammer Shiro to get abilities, but the AM on hiplop has no function if we hammer right now as he's not voting Shiro, and I can't change the AM to a player on the Shiro wagon right now. We would need 3 AMs on someone to make it not-hiplop because he has 2 votes, and earliest maximum wins with ties.

I'll hammer Shiro before deadline if no one else changes AM. It might be wise to change your AM to your least favorite player on the Shiro wagon (plus me, plus whoever you suspect will snake in and hammer), unless you just think the Shiro wagon is all town.