Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)

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Firebringer said that Soren was strong town because of his tone. i asked that earlier.

he explained that he was unhappy with the lynch because it felt like policy to him, and that he's unhappy with the game for reasons relating to the mod.

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no, i don't think she was a policy lynch either.

Firebringer, can you please talk to Yarrrrgami? you're voting Turtles which means you want him lynched, and that'll happen faster if you let mollie sort you. and her questions are valid tbh.
i'm going to bed soon btw.

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i feel bad that all you guys are so mad. like it's my fault that you're not enjoying the game. i'm trying my best for us to win but i'm wondering if i should stop if it's making you guys hate everything so much..

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Tails look at beeboy's posts today since i started pushing and tell me that they're coming from town.

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mollie please tell me that firebringer's intent to prodge the rest of the game day is enough for you. he's not going to respond. i hate it but i can't do anything about it.
we need a win here.

im sorry that i pissed all you off so much, maybe i could have done better if i'd articulated my case on Turtles of something better. i'm sorry i decided to do it this way. i'm just trying to give us the best chance. maybe i fucked up somewhere, and unnecessarily made you all hate the game, and i'm really, really sorry about that.
hammer Turtles, mollie. tomorrow we can start fresh and build off of the scum lynch.

okay, i'm going to sleep now, i don't have anything else to say.

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okay, i've slept on it, and this seems to be the best option to me.
i'm ending my test, as lynching Turtles is more important and i couldn't seem to do it with a normal case. i'm sorry i wasted your time, guys. plus, i don't want the mood to get worse.
i DO think that the events of this day so far will give us more information than if i'd simply said "Turtles is confirmed scum, let's lynch him immediately". now we have a scum wagon to look at. actually, we have quite a bit of information to look at.

i'm Haibarai Ai, town tracker.
last night i tracked Turtles to the kill. i hope yesterday wasn't too frustrating for some of you, i hope you understand why i didn't say this immediately.

mollie this is why i feel responsible for the thread's mood. i feel like i was in a position to end all the frustration and i didn't do it.
this is not an invitation to turbo lynch Turtles! now that i've outed myself, there's no need to rush.

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ideally i wanted to get Turtles lynched without outing myself, in the hopes of catching the last scum to the kill! or, if i didn't do that, clearing someone via tracking them. i can only clear people with one scum left which is why it was important for me to have Turtles lynched.
anyways, sorry i couldn't push a better case on Turtles. later when i have time i'm gonna start looking at the wagon from the beginning. ofc i already have some conclusions since i knew the wagon was on scum, but i'm gonna read through again.

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What do you mean by "directing"? And you should've told us sooner that you tracked him, scourge lol

if i told you all earlier, we wouldn't have been able to look for his partner. his partner would likely have just gone 'oh okay, Turtles has been caught by the tracker, better not fight anything'
now we can examine reactions to the wagon as if we were looking at the formation of a wagon on flipped scum.

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Actually, it be makin' little sense that Conan be a rolecop unless at least one scurvy dog has an obviously scurvy role.

Strongpirate would be me guess if runny rat and firebirdy lawyer be scurvy-free, but then sad-turtle wouldn't be the one sent to be slitting throats. A shot-restricted stongpirate be possible, or it could be that the captain considers roleblocker to be high-probability scurvy.

shot-restricted makes sense to me. they probably thought Not_Mafia didn't have a good chance of being protected, like a lot of you thought.
alternatively, yeah, one of Sonic or Phoenix could be scum.

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In that case, you should've waited until someone dropped the hammer. People still have time to pretend that they aren't on Turtles' side

you're talking like Turtles being lynched was inevitable. it wasn't. i tried yesterday, and i didn't have anything more to add after that. i could see where everything was going.

ofc waiting until he'd been lynched would have been best. if i'd been able to lynch him, i wouldn't have claimed today at all!

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essentially you're asking the mod if cross-blocks cancel each other out or if they completely block each other?
the third case i think would have the jailkeeper being blocked, the protection failing, and Vickie Tim dying, for sure.

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Kagami do you think i should have waited longer? this is my first time doing this, i wanted to make sure that there was ultimately a wagon on Turtles but i didn't see a path there. and i didn't want to just keep pushing it in case more people just got fed up.

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i wasn't sure if they knew or not, but the fact that Turtles didn't hammer and tried to fight against it instead told me he at least wasn't sure if i had a result.
yes i was worried about that, which is why i fought so hard against the Phoenix wagon. especially since Turtles quickhammering wouldn't have assured his lynch the next day.

do you think Turtles didn't figure it out? or do you think he didn't hammer because Phoenix was his partner? OR do you think he didn't hammer because he knew i had a result and wanted me to THINK Phoenix was his buddy? i know it's a hard question.

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That be a profoundly terrible idea.

That's the reaction I usually get when I bring up this concept. But it's still an experiment I'd like to try, at least once. Just see how it works.

there's no reason not to just kill Turtles, though? like you haven't given one. leavin him alive doesn't help us except to give scum more options.

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Methinks he lacks the subtlety for the wine bein' in front of somepirate interpretation.

Lookin' at your early posts today, the scurvy dogs would have to be about as clever as a rusty anchor not to realize you had a guilty.

so why didn't Turtles hammer Phoenix? do you think they're scum together?

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UNVOTE:

that was a dumb mistake, i should have unvoted as soon as i claimed. Turtles could have easily hammered himself to stop our discussion.

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^^^^^

that basically. sorry about yesterday, Tails. ._.

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he's on mine as well. i mean I can't discount the bad feelings im getting from others, but yeah.

if i die tonight, BTW, its because mafia has a strongman shot. roleblocking Tails and shooting me shouldn't work for most games because scum can only perform one action, but it's possible the rules are different in this one! i don't remember if yarrrrgami confirmed it to us.

alternatively its because Tails is actually scum, but i don't think that's likely anymore.
oh shit right
BTW I have a track result from n1 on a player who hasn't claimed yet, should I do something about it now?

preview: sorry Tails, im really sorry that you felt forced to claim. since it didn't look like Turtles knew about the result i thought the best case was me not being outed. luckily for us I think it's likely that the scum can't roleblock and kill at the same time. really the only chance I have of being killed is Strongman... so hopefully one of our blockers can block that. one thing is that they have to decide now if they're going to block each other or block other people. I'd hate for one to block outside and for that block to be wasted because the other one was on them.

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Eh.... sorry about that Tails.

I guess I got a bit ahead of myself when I questioned your role.

If all goes well though, we've got a 2/3 chance of stopping the Mafia dead in their tracks.

don't forget that Nick could be scum as well! if so, the chances are more like 1/4 and that's if the kill goes through tonight. there are a lot of variables.

but yeah should i hold onto my track result? ofc I would if i was sure i wouldn't die, but im not.

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sorry that you were panicky, Mollie. i knew you made some good points about fire so I tried to acknowledge them but i really wanted to go for the chance of getting to n3 without being outed. even if it was small.

preview: fair enough, Kagami! i just like to keep a healthy amount of suspicion so we're not blindsided later.

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mmk it was Soren who i checked. should i ask him who he targeted? i wonder when he'll be in the thread next, tho

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tbh Mollie i was kind of suspicious you were trying to derail the lynch. but that's not the whole reason, I'm P sure you're town.
after Sonic voted Fire, i saw the lynch on Turtles falling apart. but even before then I could see that Fire was unwilling to cooperate, and I had this bad feeling that even if he was town he would not cooperate, and i didn't want him lynched over Turtles. i see now that it was a mistake, but I wasn't really sure of your intentions! plus ii thought that if you really wanted him sorted that you could still do it the day after.

preview: sorry, you're right. it's not like he's here. Soren didn't visit anyone.

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VOTE: Turtles of Despair
sorry

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hey everyone!
Kagami, may i ask why you'd like to hear from me first before Sonic speaks?

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but, im fine with giving it. im actually kind of embarrassed. i knew i was going to check a roleblocker because it was a potential two clears if there was a kill that night and they happened to be town, and i had a choice between two of them. unfortunately i chose the one that was killed. thinking about it now, Sonic was really the better choice.. it would have settled things about fire as well. as it is, KainTepes is clear, tho he's not the clear i would have liked. im not even sure if he's playing?

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i really wanted to catch scum again. tbh im really paranoid from the fact i was allowed to track at all. scum shouldn't have known who i would decide to target, which leads me to think they don't actually have a roleblocker. that or they were certain i wouldn't check them.

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sorry. i followed Nick to Kain, as Sonic suggested. Kain is ascetic or didn't perform the kill.

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once again i tracked Phoenix. Nick targeted Kain.

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Soren should claim

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yes, its definitely a strange choice. the nightkill have been pretty weird all game, though. garmr's, not mafia, and now Phoenix?

preview: sorry mollie! I didn't mean to sound snippy

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i'm not sure if it's Soren! the last mafia must have some kind of ability and it doesn't look like Soren has one. and i'm not talking about his claim, haha.
but we can't just let Soren keep going.

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sorry guys, been busy.
Sonic is right. ascetics or not, we can't leave Soren alone here.
if i wasn't blocked last night there's a good chance i won't be blocked now, so we should have another report to work with tomorrow, if Soren doesn't end the game. they, by all accounts, should! but something still feels weird. maybe Soren's powers are just X-shot, or they're something i couldn't track.

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doesn't look like it.
VOTE: Soren

sorry for the stall

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mmk, everybody tell me who they visited last night. i'm in the mood to wrap this baby up.

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mmm. this is hard.
Sonic definitely targeted Yarrgami, ofc i have no way of knowing if it was actually a roleblock, or if it was to kill them.

Sonic, when did you block Tails?

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i'm so stumped. why hasn't Tails been killed? why kill Yarrgami? they weren't conftown by a longshot, and i would think the mafia would want to stop my investigations asap. i can understand not being blocked if the last maf IS roleblocker Sonic, because he'd wanna perform a kill instead, what i can't understand is the kill choice.

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so far we've seen a mafia goon and a scum double-voter. a town roleblocker would really be negative utility for us, way more likely to hit me or Phoenix or Barn or Tails (if town) then mafia, Kain's right about that.

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but the negative utility might be on purpose, we seem to have a lot of town power. like if the last mafia IS ascetic then sonic was only put here to fuck with the town, assuming he's town too!

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I blocked Yarrrrgami. They were the last one left who was unclaimed( as a PR ) and hadn't been blocked yet.

Which means Mollie was probably right about the last scum being ascetic... Mollie was certain that Firebringer was scum, and it looks more likely than ever now.

Scourge, can you clear him, or should we lynch and pray?

from your pov, Sonic, the last mafia is either ascetic, or it's Tails. you're not considering that one?
well, i guess fypov the last maf could also be me.

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if scum wanted a safe kill, why the heck didn't they kill Tails?
that's what makes me think it's him. but, i mean, it could be for us to think that.. but it'd be weird to do that purposefully and then just hope we suspected Tails for it??

if Firebringer is mafia, i'm terrified that Yarrrgami is actually going to kill me.

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gahhh, hindsight. i shouldn't have targeted Sonic when he announced publically who he was trying to roleblock. i actually forgot he said it in the thread. should have verified Tails or something, really.

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i really don't think Sonic is scum. i can't deny that it would make sense, but it also makes sense if you consider scum Tails or ascetic Kain or Firebringer.
thinking about the field we want for lylo tomorrow, i really don't want to have to be picking between Kain and Firebringer to lynch. i'd rather lynch one of them. preferably, Firebringer.

..but really, i can rationalize ways for any one of you to be scum, if we go just on role-based interactions. the only saving grace for me is that i know i'll be alive tomorrow. if Tails is scum he can't kill me, that'd be outing himself (since mafia can't block and kill at the same time), and if Tails is town... then well, i'm protected.
if Tails is scum, tho, he's pretty ballsy scum. he'd have to have known i wouldn't check him last night, and i'm not sure if i would have made that gamble.
i just think we'll be in a better position to win this if we dont end up in lylo tomorrow with me, Kain, and Firebringer. between the two it's honestly a toss-up.

annnnnd, i thought about it more just now and i'm not gonna erase the rest of this post, but yeah actually killing Sonic makes the most sense today. even though i don't want to.

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actually yeah if Tails is scum he fucked himself. it's not Tails.

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i'll give you one on Kain being hilarious

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nooo, we're not voting Tails today. if he's town then im dead. sorry Sonic.
VOTE: Radical Rat
if Tails is then we'll know tomorrow, 100%.

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ahhh, i really thought Sonic was town! im glad it just made sense to vote him there.

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i think Tails should have been murdered as soon as he outed as doctor. that's what i would have done! we're you guys trying to frame him? if so, I don't think it was a great idea, since scum!Tails could have been tracked by me any time. and Phoenix was in no danger of protecting Tails, since he wouldnt have wanted to roleblock him.

play-wise, i think Sonic did good! this game has shown me that I'm apparently susceptible to buddying, so thanks a lot for bringing that to my attention. if I'd been a VT i don't think I would have been useful at all, haha.

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thanks mollie! and thanks everyone, i had fun.