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@Cleavage
Shiro made the first post ;p
Sorry for the inactivity tho, I was making a presentation plus writting a text game in c++ plus writing a word file about the hows plus pretending to study for the exams I have lined up plus work soooo been preeeetty busy.
Just finished catching up though so feel free to ask anything.
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Give us tgat case because honestly? Pw seems pretty town to me. And what exactly do you mean by saying, people are strawmaning what is happening?-
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@Dwee as well
In post 302, Mirhawk wrote:do you have anything more solid on Toog?
Nope this is pure something is off. It started with his post about scumminess on people that fluffed and then his big post I dunno just rubbed me wrong. Then that statistics thing came for PW which was odd as hell.
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I am going to agree with you that his post directed to PW was quite off the rest of his arguments aren't really bad either like saying we should not write off deathtuneeling as town. I really do not see the scum read on PW though. I mean he himself said that after a point PW seemed town but then turned around again.
In post 67, SirCakez wrote:In post 62, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 59, SirCakez wrote:But why did you initially say they were being so weird? That's the question I initially asked.
I already answered that. They were voting seriously against me without having a reason to. That's weird
This is just going in circles now ugh. Your responses feel town enough for now.
In post 187, SirCakez wrote:What the hell why is Davsto the leading wagon?
VOTE: Phoenix Wright
He hasn't improved at all and the backtracking from earlier is still scummy.
Like this was a weird shift. I know it was a 100 posts apart but he says still scummy when before he said that he seems town enough. And the vote was in response to Dav being the leading wagon which makes me go eh,
See I have this inner contradiction I feel like he could be scum with Dav that voted PW to shift the leading wwagon but that would make his post you mentioned really unlikly to come from scum who push a mislynch. If we assume cakes with PW and it being a coachign post. The above with him suddenly changin his mind and voting him again makes no sense.
So I am not sure where to lean
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What reason would have scum to crump vig in a very bleh way? Why assume illogical scum over dumb town?
If that is the case. Let's do this. I call di8s on Vriska style :::: )
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In post 356, Shiro wrote:In post 353, Xkfyu wrote:And if beeboy is trying to soft claim Vigilante, then all the more reason to lynch him.
Ok uhm wtf? Did you just say all the more ro lynch someone who you think might be sifting pro town role?
Picking up alt slip for you Shiro.
Hey, beeboy, you claiming vig like for real or is this just a trumped up charge against you?-
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In post 365, Shiro wrote:@MOD This head will be V/LA because my dad is going to the hospital and I will be there. Don't know how long it will be.-
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Big rule, Titus gets copped n1. Kinda surprised it didn't happen in pyp.
PW or whoever the counter is is almost certainly town. We haven't been pressured at all, despite our only contribution being our collective gut saying Toog is scum. If both were scum, I would see a scramble for a counter. Pw by play is town as well.
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In post 323, clearance only wrote:But that's the thing it wasn't an attempt to try and make him "more town-like" it was cakes telling PW (pretty blatantly) that he shouldn't be townreading us.
I struggle to see the town motive in trying to influencea scumreadsreads like that.
Like call him out sure and maybe supplement that to his scumread but not act as though Phoenix Wright wasgenuinelythinking those things and try and talk him out of his flawed reasoning.
Bottom line it's just a weird interaction.
People do this all the time. Seeing what scumreads do allows for reevaluation of your scumread or getting information about their buddies. Scum get caught in the choices they make and the inconsistencies in their narratives.
I don't see this as necessarily scummy.
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In post 584, Toogeloo wrote:
Just because I have a low post count, doesn't mean I'm lurking. I've covered most issues whenever I make a new post. Not all of us sit at our computer and wait to have active conversations.In post 579, Cookie Bakers wrote:Toog ... lurking.
Really, you've covered the issues? You're not getting upset when town get wagoned.
You've said Clevage was "trying too hard" when pushing a Phoenix wagon. You know where I usually see this, scum trying to silence town leaders.
You spent a lot of energy attacking Phoenix's wagon, but you never outright state Phoenix is town.
You're just attacking leadership and lurking your way through this.
Even your last vote on Cakey doesn't explain what you dislike about him.
You jumped on beeboy. Uber sheepage.
So I ask you, where's your spine on your reads? The town toog I know has one. Scum toog just makes sure to "comment" on what he feels is important.
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In post 216, Toogeloo wrote:
Would you be happier if we gave percentages on our reads? Like, I don't know how anyone else can't see it, but Phoenix is like 97.452% town. That gives me 2.548% of being wrong I guess.In post 213, SirCakez wrote:This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.
In post 589, Toogeloo wrote:I also don't have a town read on Phoenix, hence the reason I've never called him town.
I dunno calling him 97.452% town seemed like a townread to me, you just never stated so. Now you are saying that you didn't townread him? Then what did those numbers meant.
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In post 167, Toogeloo wrote:You're trying too hard. He's an early train in RVS, and since it's still page 3 at this point, it's not as if any one could possibly not have a puzzled look on their face, especially since your reasoning is total shit for not following the appropriate flow of RVS. There's nothing to debunk considering the case is shit in the first place and just as random as the RVS stage in general is. I feel like his reaction is definitely appropriate considering that he's the first wagon of the game.
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In post 593, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 588, Cookie Bakers wrote:If Toog was #rekt, where is your vote?
On cakey cause they ask me weird questions obviously.
You're voting Cakey because he's wierd? Really, you of all people? You're the quintessential definition of weird. That's how you wagon lynchbait.
Join me on Toog.
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In post 613, clearance only wrote:What are you trying to say there, cakes?
Toog as scum with a gun in his face decided to fakeclaim VT in an advertised role madness game?
Again, sorry you rolled scum.
Yea, I can see that being the case. It gives people a huge pause.
The very fact of how unopposed Cakez wagon was is really suspicious. If he was scum it looks as if he is solo.
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Hey, Clevage and Dave, stuff the effort thing where the sun don't shine. Scum are white knighting the fuck out of SirCakez. It's not just "effort" that indicates whether a player has no partners.
If it was, all of you would be scumreading Toog.
Even when I am telling you that I will murder Toog unless people object, you can't even muster a comment beyond Toog isn't the lynch for today.
Why should I engage your shitty wagon when you are flat out ignoring us?
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@Clevage, I have responded to your shitty case. I apologize for not replying to every comment where you whine about the wrong lynch being so hard.
You meanwhile aren't even taking a stance on Toog Mirhawk or Nahdia or Dwlee or anyone who actually reacted to my push on Toog.
I also think you don't understand how a white knight works. Scum set people up to take falls. They aren't blantant and direct. It's more...gee the wagon looks nice but I cannot.
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@Clevage, Your thoughts on them didn't change based on their posts in thread. Some you didn't comment on. Nahdia's post for instance is terrible. It's like you want to ignore what happened.
Oh and yes your push on Cakes is bad. There's a difference between white knighting and scum just not wanting to be part of a mislynch. A white knight is more about posturing and making themselves look good. That's why I am annoyed with you for not seeing that.
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In post 598, Nahdia wrote:Jesus Toog time to backtrack yo.
This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.-
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In post 674, clearance only wrote:In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Mmmkay.
Trust, it's not a great post.
But that seems like a pretty large reach.
Then you realise that Toog didn't address the post at all, which is weird since he posted a lot and addressed all other posts about him.-
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In post 674, clearance only wrote:In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Mmmkay.
Trust, it's not a great post.
But that seems like a pretty large reach.
Then what do you think of 598 and Nadhia then?
I am trying to work with you and you seem content to just keep pushing town. It's making me doubt my read on you.
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No, you're the one shitting on my theories without providing alternative theories of your own.
The nadhia post doesn't mean what I think it does. Well great..why was it not good to you?
I am trying to find some place where we have common ground but the current major wagons suck and you're trying to pidgeon hole them.
You're confident Toog is town. Why are you? You aren't saying why?
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Really? Not preconceived? He asked the mod to confirm rolemadness before his claim. The wiki has claiming VT in a role madness game will look town. Toog confirms role madness and then claims VT. Pretty planned to me.
What parts of your Cakes case do you feel I ignored?
Also, nadhia agreeing with you isn't a reason to defend them. If they're scummy, why can't they be scum agreeing with your push on town.-
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In post 714, Davsto wrote:In post 711, Cookie Bakers wrote:Really? Not preconceived? He asked the mod to confirm rolemadness before his claim.
Sure, but he suuuper strongly hinted that he was VT before then. Like, incredibly strongly.
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In post 721, Davsto wrote:In post 716, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 714, Davsto wrote:In post 711, Cookie Bakers wrote:Really? Not preconceived? He asked the mod to confirm rolemadness before his claim.
Sure, but he suuuper strongly hinted that he was VT before then. Like, incredibly strongly.
Ok, where?
In post 591, Toogeloo wrote:If this game is a role madness game, I will be a bit upset with my role.
In 589 is where Toog tries to confirm role madness. Him being annoyed at being a VT after 589 doesn't work.-
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The goal posts were always where they were. I said Toog tried to confirm role madness and then claimed vt.
You said he did so before then. I asked for where. You gave me a post that's inapplicable and whined about goalposts.
At least you're engaging but try following the thread.
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In post 747, Xkfyu wrote:In post 604, Cookie Bakers wrote:Toog, Was I not clear? We threatened to dayvig you. We want your reads, and claim,not for you to act like a jelly fish and say it's ok if you're lynched.
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Reads is one thing, but would you explain to me why you would threaten to vig him if he didn't claim?
In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 598, Nahdia wrote:
Jesus Toog time to backtrack yo.
This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Actually, it just reeks of flippancy. You yourself answered why the second possibility is a reach, and, unless nahdia can't tell the difference between purple and black, the first possibility is even more of a reach.
Claiming is a precursor to dayvigging. I don't want to Derp vig a mason or cop or something.
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In post 751, clearance only wrote:Titus I quoted a post where he hinted at it before hand that you're conveniently ignoring.
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In post 761, SirCakez wrote:In post 755, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 749, SirCakez wrote:In post 740, Phoenix Wright wrote:It's pretty funny that as soon as we're really close to lynching sir cakez everyone suddenly tries to put the pressure on cleavage lol
Who's pressuring him? He's not even being voted.
beeboy wrote:{Dwlee99, Cookie Bakers,}
Explain these please.
The last few pages were just everyone arguing with cleavage and trying to make it seem like their posts suck. Is that not pressure?
That's not pressure, that's just arguing.
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CB's claim is way too pro\/able to come from scum and if I am wrong on this they made a pro\/able claim so who really cares?
CB didn't claim....
We'll be on the record then.
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In post 763, Xkfyu wrote:In post 750, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 747, Xkfyu wrote:In post 604, Cookie Bakers wrote:Toog, Was I not clear? We threatened to dayvig you. We want your reads, and claim,not for you to act like a jelly fish and say it's ok if you're lynched.
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Reads is one thing, but would you explain to me why you would threaten to vig him if he didn't claim?
In post 672, Cookie Bakers wrote:In post 598, Nahdia wrote:
Jesus Toog time to backtrack yo.
This one. It reeks of scum meaning to post in a PT or scum coaching but when would nahdia ever coach Toog? Noobs generally don't coach seasoned vets.
Actually, it just reeks of flippancy. You yourself answered why the second possibility is a reach, and, unless nahdia can't tell the difference between purple and black, the first possibility is even more of a reach.
Claiming is a precursor to dayvigging. I don't want to Derp vig a mason or cop or something.
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But...you weren't going to dayvig him.
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In post 765, clearance only wrote:Him asking me where I got the idea that this was role madnessishinting at VT.
Are you arguing that's not true?
Are you now arguing that he was "narrative selling" or slipped in narrative?
No it frankly isn't. It's asking you to out information regarding PRs and if he is a VT, it's terrible posting.
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In post 782, Phoenix Wright wrote:Still wasn't buddying. I just think it's weird that there's so much resistance to sir cakez' lynch. People are doing everything they can to pull us in different directions and stop it from going through.
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In post 776, clearance only wrote:In post 767, Cookie Bakers wrote:No it frankly isn't. It's asking you to out information regarding PRs and if he is a VT, it's terrible posting.
Who do you scumread besides Cakez/Toog? Can you meet me anywhere plausible?
Eh. It's not.
The bigger question is did he not know the game really was advertised as role madness. If he didn't then it's an innocent enough question because it looks like I've got info that I shouldn't and if he's a VT he's a bit more apt to go "wait what where's my PR?"
Certainly fakable. And not as good a post as it would be if he had claimed something else because as you said that's a bad post to make as a VT. But it isn't damning.
Not sure why we're having this conversation when we both know you're just gonna shoot him anyway, though.
He knew. He read the signup thread.
Can you quit acting like a spoiled brat and realize that I might not shoot Toog if we can agree on a scumread here? I would have shot Toog pages ago if I didn't want input.
The most protown way to use my role is to dual lynch. I just am not shooting Cakes though.
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