Mini 1768: Detective Conan Mafia (Game Over: Town Wins)
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Oh boy, this went much faster than either of my Newbie games prepared me for.
At any rate, I have read the thread, and caught up! I shall attempt to stay that way from now on.
I actually have Garmr as a Town read. Why? Because he reminds me of myself! See, in my Newbie and off-site games, I was consistently called scummy for "overreacting" while really just doing my best not to go down.
Now, Scourge on the other hand.... Scourge I don't like. I get a sense that he's sort of riding Nick's coattails, which isn't terrible, especially considering the quality of Mr. Wright's posts, but it's something to watch out for, and worth my vote for now.
VOTE: A Real Scourge
Also, is Not_Mafia really quitting over a role? Or was that an RVS joke?-
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In post 33, A Real Scourge wrote:In post 32, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 31, KainTepes wrote:VOTE: Phoenox Wright maybe both of them are TOWN??? You didn't consider that??
I don't like how defensive and tense they got right off the bat. It's just a feeling, but I think at least one of them is scum
if Nick had also listed the option of both of them being town, I would have called his post useless for avoiding putting down any opinion at all.
the fact that he put down the option of it being early scum distancing (instead of just saying 'lol there's at least one scum there) says to me that he's actually thinking about their alignments.
as for my stance on that vs... im not sure yet. tbh I felt the same as gamr when I saw the post saying how his RVS vote didn't advance the gamestate, but I held off to see what soren was looking for.
I dislike that Soren voted gamr for voting him, when game's reaction was similar to mine. Soren, what would a Townie reaction to your callout be? why do you think it's weird to interpret your post as an attack?
In post 53, A Real Scourge wrote:oh, good call. that sounds right.
In post 59, A Real Scourge wrote:honestly i think your Nick avatar is endearing me to you subconsciously or something.
Well, looking back a bit closely, it's really just a couple posts that gave me that impression. And they were fairly early on.
Guess that's a risk that comes with reading four pages in one sitting.
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In post 189, Yarrrrgami wrote:There be lots o' hedghog-like pirates on this voyage, so I'll be more clear:
VOTE: Rat who be thinkin' he's radical because the scurvy 'as settled deep in his brains
May I ask why? If it's the inactivity, that's because this level of activity is unprecedented in my severely limited experience( Two Newbie games here, and one Newbie one Theme on SmashBoards )
In post 218, Firebringer wrote:Gamr, lets talk about our mason chat.
Why aren't you talking in it?
Also, why are you feeling so townie to me?
This seems strange to me. As I understand it, the mason chat is a chat where everyone is Town and can communicate. A sort of Town Mafia, so to speak. Why would you need to question the towniness of a fellow Mason outside a bastard game? Or am I wrong on that point?-
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Okay, so.................
In my defense, I'm not as fast as my icon might imply, so I'm reading these posts in chunks of about four pages. As such, I do tend to pass over things like Phoenix' post about the alignment speculation
As for Scourge... I was just wrong, and I admitted it. I can see why backing off quickly looks bad though.
And Garmr, who I presume is the armor-pirate( Though I thought that was a TIE fighter in his icon... ) I didn't pursue his voters for the same reason I defended him. I've been falsely accused for doing a lot of the same stuff, so having Town on his wagon wouldn't really surprise me.
Now for my offense/continued defense.
You say that irritating people on purpose isn't a sick scumstrat. But, in my mind, getting people emotional and aggressive would undermine their critical thinking process, thus making it easier/faster to get in mislynches. Am I wrong there?
And why would I consider the vote target of my top scumread, unless I was looking for a bus? It doesn't make sense for me to scumread Barn, so go after Phoenix.
Final words:
Garmr is almost certainly Town now. I can't fathom scum ever stopping a lynch, unless it was on their buddy.
As such my vote stays on VOTE: Barn of Justice. If they're scum, there may or may not be merit to the suspicion on Garmr. If they're Town, Garmr is basically cleared, and we'll have a much nicer rest of the game.
An eye should probably be kept on Kain, due to his erratic posting and accusations. Seems like his reads change on a whim to me, which is kinda sketchy.-
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In post 484, Phoenix Wright wrote:I still think Kaintepes is a better lynch
On what grounds?
I agree he looks suspicious, but I'm not sure how to really follow up on his flip yet.-
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You seem to be missing the part in the first quote where I said "unless it was on their scumbuddy"
Am I saying you're scum if Barn's scum? Nope. I'm just saying we can't discount the POSSIBILITY unless he flips Town.
I've still got a strong townread on you and it will take a good but of convincing before I lynch you.-
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What's the site meta on correlation between source alignments and game alignments?
I know on SmashBoards there was no such correlation, but I reason that question would be somewhat useless if that were the case here.
And if alignments here do mirror source material, might it be beneficial to claim characters en masse and go from there?-
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Just claiming disguises shouldn't reveal abilities, right?
After all, someone has to be vanilla here, and while I've not watched Conan, I find it unlikely that an anime character fit the vanilla bill.
As such, I have no issue claiming my own character, without the role, if it helps give alignment insight.-
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Not_Mafia probably needs to be investigated tonight...
About 487, I'm questioning the priority of a Kain lynch. If Barn somehow does turn out Town, Garmr is confirmed to be town as well.
Meanwhile, if Kain flips Town, I don't see any kind of similar connection to be made. It's just a mislynch.
On the scummier side of things, Barn MIGHT allude to Tails being scum with him( The "don't want to be in a game with him" comment ), but that's a very thin case I'm not comfortable pursuing just yet.
Kain's vote hopping also makes it difficult to find associations, but in either player's case a scum lynch D1 is worth it in itself. I simply find Barn to be more immediately useful.
In addition, starting a new wagon while Barn already had momentum would require something major in my mind, but I suppose it's a moot point now.-
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In post 548, Phoenix Wright wrote:Um Jeane11, could you start writing how many votes are need to lynch at the bottom of the vote counts? It would avoid confusion in the future
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Well.
That was an unexpected flip.
Soren, why did you hammer that? We were all waiting on a claim, and by hammering you prevented us from saving Barn's life.
I'm sorry, but no matter how you slice it, ending the day prematurely before the main wagon can even speak in their own defense, is scummy. VOTE: Soren
As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.
Guess that means no Doc too.-
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Now Yarrrrgami is an interesting case. By telling us you were blocked, you tell us that
1. You're a PR
2. A Roleblocker is in the game.
As already mentioned, if that roleblocker is Town, you've just advertised their existence to the Mafia. Unless of course... that was your intention? After all, ascumPR wouldn't have to worry about being found out. And unless this game has daytalk, that's a quick way to alert your mafia buddy/buddies that you weren't able to perform your action.
Strange, isn't it?
Still, a rushed hammer is much more substantial, so I'll hold my vote for now.-
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In post 582, Phoenix Wright wrote:
my scum ping comes from him not acknowledging this post at all
Phoenix Wright wrote:Radical rat was on the Barn of Justice mislynch wagon and Garmr was voting for radical rat. So after voting for radical rat, Garmr is dead. There might be a connection there. If a roleblocker isn't involved, I mean.
In post 579, Radical Rat wrote:
As for Garmr's kill, I don't think we can really read into it. I'll take the blame for him being targeted though, as I pointed out they'd be confirmed Town if Barn flipped Town. I told the Mafia they couldn't mislynch him, so they NKed him.
Guess that means no Doc too.
Are you sure about that, Mr. Wright? I may not have quoted it, but I did acknowledge it.-
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In post 586, Yarrrrgami wrote:Here be the funny thing, mr. rat, it wasn't us who the scurvy deckhand that disrupts other deckhands' duties be targeting. We simply know that somepirate was disrupted (an' who that was may be revealed later).
Of course, from the perspective of a scurvy dog who knows that neither he nor his buddies targeted us, it would seem like it was a non-scurvy deckhand who was disrupted us, even though no sensible non-scurvy roleblocker would target someone as clearly honorable and virtuous a seadog as ourselves.
I'm sorry, how can you know that? As far as I'm aware there's not a PR that tells whether someone was roleblocked...-
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I'm afraid I must insist on a clearer explanation. The only explanation I can think of is that you're in contact with whoever WAS RBed. And this only makes sense if you're on a scumteam with them, and this game has daytalk.
VOTE: Yarrrrgami
I had you as a firm townread until this debacle, so what's going on here?-
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In post 591, Yarrrrgami wrote:Har! Ye caught me!
I be a scurvy seadog, and for no partic'lar reason, I decided to out that there be a non-scurvy roleblocker who targeted one of me buddies, thereby incriminating both myself and him.
You're right. That WOULD be utterly ridiculous... but then...
In post 592, Yarrrrgami wrote:(the game does have the daytime parlayin' though, so ye be right about that, at least)
How would you know THIS if you weren't on the scumteam? Am I missing something in the OP, or do you have some kind of inside information?-
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In post 599, Phoenix Wright wrote:In post 598, Yarrrrgami wrote:We obviously have a neighborhood. You're not a newbie-like landlubbing pirate, firebirdy lawyer.
What's a neighborhood? And what do you mean in that second sentence
A neighborhood is a group of players who can speak to each other, like masons, but without the benefit of knowing themselves to be all town.
Which means whoever was blocked is also in this neighborhood as well.
And that leads me to my next question.
You need not reveal who was blocked, but in your opinion Yarrrrgami, would it make more sense for this person to have been targeted by a Town roleblocker, or Scum roleblocker?
P-edit: Ninja'd, but so be it.-
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In post 602, A Real Scourge wrote:
579: Sonic i don't like how you're talking about the garmr kill here. you say we shouldn't read into it, but also that you have a good idea as to why garmr was killed.
What I meant by that was, it doesn't make sense to be drawing accusation connections when it's much more likely Garmr's death was simply because he was made unlynchable.
Ockham's Razor, y'know?-
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In post 604, Yarrrrgami wrote:Ye mean the fellow ye've been calling "Nick" for half the game, furry-seduction pirate?
Nick is a name used for Phoenix Wright in-game.-
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Foiled again. I'm the Mafia Punisher. Game's over folks.
Back to business.... If they think this phantom RBer is Scum, we might want to be seeking connections between accusations and blocks. If it's more likely the RBer is Town though, we should likely drop the subject altogether and keep them anonymous to do their work.-
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In post 614, A Real Scourge wrote:In post 606, Radical Rat wrote:In post 602, A Real Scourge wrote:
579: Sonic i don't like how you're talking about the garmr kill here. you say we shouldn't read into it, but also that you have a good idea as to why garmr was killed.
What I meant by that was, it doesn't make sense to be drawing accusation connections when it's much more likely Garmr's death was simply because he was made unlynchable.
Ockham's Razor, y'know?
well, see, i get that (and in my last post, i agree with you) it's just that Nick was accusing you after reading into it, and then you told him not to do that. it.. doesn't really sound good, what i'm trying to say, when i put it into words? it just rubbed me the wrong way.
I understand your apprehension there, but I'm coming from a place where I KNOW it's wrong. So of course I'm going to try and dissuade people from that reasoning.-
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In post 646, Not_Mafia wrote:In post 642, A Real Scourge wrote: but Soren's defense of it has just been 'he looked like scum' over and over
What would be a TOWN RESPONSE!!?!
Waiting for a claim when we already have someone literally waiting to hammer? Letting the day run its course so we can have full discussion? Literally anything other than a quickhammer?
I learned not to hammer prematurely in my very first Mafia game. The only time it even remotely makes sense is as scum.-
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I'm sorry, but I refuse to live in a state of perpetual RVS. I refuse to let the fate of our Town rest in the hands of fate.
I recognize that you are far more experienced than I am, but I play Mafia for the strategy and the thought and the dramatic turnabouts.
To play by simply random lynching and hoping is to spit in the face of Maria's spirit, and I won't stand for it.
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In post 664, A Real Scourge wrote:In post 660, Radical Rat wrote:Thank you, Mr. Mafia
UNVOTE:
I still don't like Soren, but that's the first solid post from Not_Mafia all game.
i really disagree, but i've already explained why. i'm surprised you're fine with that, and aren't wondering why Not_Mafia's "first solid post" was made to defend Soren of all people.
I didn't say I agreed with him. I've already made my position quite clear. Anti-Town is Anti-Town.
However, I AM happy to see Not_Mafia actually playing the game. That's what that post was about.-
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I don't know about that.
A double voter means scum could be lynched faster. It also means Town could be lynched faster, but I'd say it ultimately depends on if scum feels confident in their ability to direct that dual vote.
My guess is that as soon as Turtles gets a scum lynched, or close to it, they'll die that night.-
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In post 700, Not_Mafia wrote:RWBTHRBOBTSBWHB, aside from Soren who's scum?
You seem awfully sketchy yourself, though less so since you actually started posting real stuff, the fact that it took a melodramatic speech about Mafia Soul to get you to start is troublesome.
And then probably Kain. I get that the yelling thing is normal for him, but half of his posts sound like just trolling, and the other half are just random votes and shouting.
And then Tails is feeling a bit artificial toDay, and I don't like Yarrrrgami's crypticness. Those will be saved until there's either more evidence or we lynch three Scum and there's still more.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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Where did my wagon even come from?
No one's given any solid reasons, aside from the mention that Garmr's vote was on me YesterDay, at least not that I've seen.
I know FireBringer and Scourge have found themselves uneasy about me, and I understand their individual complaints, but I don't see where Tails, Yarrrrgami and Not_Mafia are coming from here.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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In post 730, Not_Mafia wrote:Gotta scum fast
I'll interpret that as your "vote randomly" thing.
I hope that works out for you.-
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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Radical Rat They/ThemJack of All TradesThey/Them
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