Pooky is clearly innocent, you cannot possibly think him responsible for this heinous crime!Albert B. Rampage wrote:I think we can all agree the bear is responsible for all this.
Vote Pooky
I got yo back, Pooky!
I'm glad you didn't let Coron ruin the question. Even though he thinks it was a stupid question, your answer has outlined the very point I wanted to make.Rishi wrote:Sure... I'll respond to the question. The only way I would think that LoudMouthLee's death is purely random is if all the members of the Mafia were completely unfamiliar with all the rest of the players. I find that highly unlikely.
If I were Mafia and got to kill someone on the first night, with absolutely nothing in the game thread to base my decision on, I would base my decision on previous games I have had with the other players. I would probably want to get rid of someone I knew rather than a stranger, because you have no idea how that stranger is going to play the game. I just always assume that Mafia kills have SOME motivation behind them.
So that's all I meant. Take it for what you will.
What types of posts do you believe should be ignored altogether?Guardian wrote:
I think I agree with Vitr and Coron that not all posts are worth quoting, but few should be ignored all together.
Why am I not surprised? Unfortunately for me, explaining further would merely be brushed off as a WIFOM argument coming from me. It would require someone else to actually understand it and point it out on their own for it to not be WIFOM, and you'd probably accuse them of being my scumbuddy.trumpieza is definitely an alt (no newbies can quote that well), and his post was very reasonable. I don't understand MoS's dislike of him.
What doesn't feel right about it?I am not sure what I feel about Rishi's 28. His positive (and accurate) metagaming of me makes me want to scream that he is definitely town (scum positive metagaming like that seems silly, I don't think he'd have been so obvious about it if he were scum), but something sits wrong with me, for some reason.
What do you think of his defense justification that he felt it "was just a really stupid question"?Coron's entry to the game was reasonable, though I really dislike how he answered the question posed to Rishi.
What do you find protown about him?VitaminR also seems to be pretty townlike
Thirded? What do you mean by this?MoS, I have serious issues with your play. Your posts could have been thirded
You don't know me very well, do you? One would think that after seeing how I reacted to Battle Mage joining Mafiascum, you would realize that I hate playing with people who use idiotic reasoning,, and there is no need for the anger and flaming that went on in them.
Make of it what you will. All this proves is that you don't know how I operate.A good part of me really thinks it is faked.
Actually, you pretty much just proved my point for me. You admit that Albert has not posted much content, yet you do not attack him for it. You merely ask him to contribute more. So therefore, if I posted the same amount of content in less post, you would definitely not be attacking me for it.Posting short, spammy posts is not going to fly with me in this game, nor is stating things without justification (that you want to strangle trump for example -- or that if your posts had the same content and were longer that I'd be OK with them -- if you had the same number of posts and just as much content, I'd still be very suspicious.)
unvote vote: MoS
Even following your plan, it's still impossible to predict who could've killed LmL.Coron wrote: I'm going to have to disagree with this, while I agree that killing someone you have a grudge against or who has a history of finding you scum is a bad idea, but that doesn't mean that it isn't important to take a player's skill into account when deciding who to kill. For instance let's say LML is much better than Bob, so in order to win the game as scum you say "well, I should probably kill LML more often, but it might be suspicious for me to kill him all the time, and the doctors will start to catch on". Thus it is apropriate to put a weight on people who are better as town/catch you more often, but not to do it every time.
No one asked you. Obviously you think your "defense" was just fine, but that doesn't mean it was.I think my defense was just fine.Mastermind of Sin wrote:What do you think of his defense justification that he felt it "was just a really stupid question"?Coron's entry to the game was reasonable, though I really dislike how he answered the question posed to Rishi.
It's not that he disagrees with me, there is a more specific reason, but it's not really important.his reasoning is not idiotic, as far as I can tell you just think that because he disagrees with you.Mastermind of Sin wrote:You don't know me very well, do you? One would think that after seeing how I reacted to Battle Mage joining Mafiascum, you would realize that I hate playing with people who use idiotic reasoning,, and there is no need for the anger and flaming that went on in them.especiallywhen they try to attack me with it.
Because, as I explained before, Rishi-scum could've "agreed" with Coron's answer, when there was a specific reason that I asked Rishi the question. If I wanted to know what other people felt about it, I wouldn't direct it at a specific person.trumpezia wrote:I don't see why Coron answering MoS' question for Rishi is suspicious, I mean, surely it is better if everyone provided their opinion, and I often find that it is more illuminating to hear what a player says on a topic after somebody else already made a stance.
But you agreed with them. If you agreed with them, then you must have some example that you saw. You can't shrug the responsibility onto them just because they suggested it first and you agreed.Guardian wrote:I haven't seen any in this game, nor can I think of any -- Coron and VitaminR seemed to imply that some posts were like this, no?Mastermind of Sin wrote:What types of posts do you believe should be ignored altogether?Guardian wrote:
I think I agree with Vitr and Coron that not all posts are worth quoting, but few should be ignored all together.
5 times is nothing. I think you're overreacting. I can understand your opening post, but you are continuing to push this point too far.Why should it? I desperately would like to not be mislynched this game. I was just mislynched for the 5th time at endgame (sadly, due to mod error... hmm, hi MoS... sadly due to mod error, I didn't identify the scum pairing at endgame for the first time) and I'd very much like for a Guardian-mislynch to not occur in this game.MoS wrote:Does anyone else feel like the statement "and accurate" is pushing it a little bit? He made his point once, it seems that he's going out of his way to remind us that he is protown.
This once again proves the point I made earlier. I could've posted the same amount of content in less posts, and you wouldn't have attacked me.I think that's a bad reason to answer a question posed to someone else.MoS wrote:What do you think of his defense justification that he felt it "was just a really stupid question"?Coron's entry to the game was reasonable, though I really dislike how he answered the question posed to Rishi.
His suspicions up to the point where I made that post made sense to me and I agreed with.MoS wrote:What do you find protown about him?VitaminR also seems to be pretty townlike
You could have posted 1/3 as many posts as you did and been just as effective.MoS wrote:Thirded? What do you mean by this?MoS, I have serious issues with your play. Your posts could have been thirded
Asking us to not lynch you because you always get mislynched is *not* a logical metagame. Asking you to look at my playstyle and compare it to other games *is* logical.Is this true, anyone, from your experience with MoS? He is asking us to positively metagame him (as I am asking everyone to positively metagame me ) -- I would love knowing if there is substance behind this.MoS wrote:Make of it what you will. All this proves is that you don't know how I operate.A good part of me really thinks it is faked.
See above for you once again proving the point I made in this quote.Posting short, spammy posts is not going to fly with me in this game, nor is stating things without justification (that you want to strangle trump for example -- or that if your posts had the same content and were longer that I'd be OK with them -- if you had the same number of posts and just as much content, I'd still be very suspicious.)
unvote vote: MoSNo -- you proved my point. Your posts up until this one basically wasted our posting space for the whole game. Make posts like this one and I'll have much less of an issue with you. Albert needed to post more -- you needed to post less.MoS wrote:Actually, you pretty much just proved my point for me. You admit that Albert has not posted much content, yet you do not attack him for it. You merely ask him to contribute more. So therefore, if I posted the same amount of content in less post, you would definitely not be attacking me for it.
Sorry, I read that as "a few", not "few". Big difference.Guardian wrote:I am still highly unconvinced of Sarc scum or CTD town.
ABR indeed needs independent thinking.
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MoS's post deserved a reply:
I said few should be ignored all together. That doesn't mean that I've seen any that should be ignored all together. IMastermind of Sin wrote:But you agreed with them.Guardian wrote:I haven't seen any in this game, nor can I think of any -- Coron and VitaminR seemed to imply that some posts were like this, no?Mastermind of Sin wrote:What types of posts do you believe should be ignored altogether?Guardian wrote:
I think I agree with Vitr and Coron that not all posts are worth quoting, but few should be ignored all together.didn'tagree with them.
Why is ABR on your category, but I'm "scummy"? He's as guilty of lacking content and making short posts, meaningless posts as I am, if not more. At least most of my posts say something useful.Wrong. Dead wrong. There is no statistical probability that makes you more likely to be town than anyone else in the game. Just because you get mislynched as town in other games does not make you more likely to be town in this one. You *should* get lynched more as town than as scum, if you're getting lynched, because the statistics are in favor of all of us being town instead of scum. You are not special, you do not get a coupon that lets you have better odds at being town than the rest of us. Your argument is appealing to emotion, crap logic, and complete bullshit.Yes it is. I always get mislynched, and have been lynched only once as scum. Lynching me almost never results in a pro-town achievement.Mastermind of Sin wrote:Asking us to not lynch you because you always get mislynched is *not* a logical metagame.Is this true, anyone, from your experience with MoS? He is asking us to positively metagame him (as I am asking everyone to positively metagame me ) -- I would love knowing if there is substance behind this.MoS wrote:Make of it what you will. All this proves is that you don't know how I operate.A good part of me really thinks it is faked.
Not only that, I am pretty good at finding scum, if terrible at convincing others. So not only do you lose a pro-town player, you lose a scum hunter as well.
Lynching me = anti-town.
I found Rishi a bit off for this, but I was happy I didn't point it out... since VitaminR agreed with it.VitaminR wrote:I very much like Rishi's last post and this observation:
It seems horribly inconsistent from Guardian's side.Rishi wrote:I don't like how Guardian lists his top suspects as CTD and Xdammo, but is keeping his vote on Sarcastro. Playing both sides of the fence?
I'm pretty pleased with my Guardian vote, although I could go for a Sarc lynch as well.
I am voting for CTD, right now, not Sarcastro.
VitaminR agreeing with a completely factually incorrect reason to find me scummy screams of opportunism to me. I think he is buddying to Rishi.
Of Pooky's list, I think that I and Coron are town, and Pooky is scum with VitaminR. No, I don't intend to justify why Pooky is scum, but I equally don't intend to pursue him instead of VitaminR today, I think.
VitaminR's actions in agreeing with Rishi's completely incorrect statement is highly suspicous to me.
unvote: CTD vote: VitaminR
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For my reference:
Xdaamno - scummy??
Mastermind of Sin - scummy?
CrashTextDummie - scummy?
Rishi - town?
PookyTheMagicalBear - scum?
VitaminR - scum
Coron - town
Sarcastro - town
Guardian - town
Albert B. Rampage -
trumpezia - town??
QFT. I rest my case.ibaesha wrote:There really was no reason at all not to play this game like any other from the start, which is what I think MoS was attempting to do. He got a lot of flack for it, but I think he understood the goal and purpose of this game better than most.
You were taking the post count issue WAY too seriously. There was never a reason to be a post-Nazi. Your nagging on everyone about conserving posts actually caused the game to stall a LOT, which isGuardian wrote:MoS, I get that you were breadcrumbing. Due to my teachings from LML, I even suspected that it might have been breadcrumbing at the time, and you claiming innocent on Pooky later was totally legit and convincing.
Even so, I don't like how you used two posts when one would have done etc. I don't want to argue with you as you've played well this game, but suffice it to say that I would make the same requests and suspicions again re: post counts .