481 - Speed 1: Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Game Over!

[Kinetic]

Hey guys, good luck and good game.

Semi-Random First

Vote:xyzzy

, for being the first to confirm.

[Kinetic]

Really? I had no idea. I figured townies are more sportsman than mafia, you know, seeing as they don't kill people at night...

But then again we do hang someone from the gallows each day....

Man, townies are dicks...

[Kinetic]

*shrugs* I don't know Brutal... maybe because this is just a game and even though we all are wheeling and dealing the whole time, I can separate myself from it and realize that we're all just trying to have fun and I have no ill feelings toward anyone...

[Kinetic]

[Kinetic]

Wait... you weren't just joking around? Wow...

Since I actually have to defend myself from this...

I've been playing competitive games for roughly, I don't know... my whole life. Soccer, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc etc. It has always been good manners, at least to me, to wish everyone luck and hope that they all have a good time. Its basically a habit to me, and one I really don't feel like stopping because you think its scummy BA.

Heck, you're a gamer too, I would think something like that wouldn't be such a major thing. It seems scummy to me that you would point out something innocuous like that and jump on it.

[Kinetic]

And since 24 mafia is finished you can go back and see that I was mafia and won in that one. So by your own evidence this is outside of normal and would be more likely that I am town.

I will not comment on the other game I am in since it is still ongoing and I am still alive. You should not comment upon it either.

[Kinetic]

Well I really hate playing the newbie card, mainly because I don't consider myself one, but this is my first forum that I've played mafia on. It never occurred to me that wishing everyone good luck could be looked at as anything but neutral. I don't care if you think it looks scummy, I really want everyone to have fun, and I'm not going to say otherwise.

And sure, scrutinizing little comments may be the way to start, but I doubt something like that is anything more than a throw away.

[Kinetic]

logicticus, In a game where no one knows who is on their team, everyone could be your opponent. That being said, while I understand where BA is coming from, your jumping on and pushing this is extremely suspicious. I think you might be setting up following him with a bandwagon vote then looking back and saying "that is why I did it". I'm going to beat you to it.

Unvote, Vote:logicticus

[Kinetic]

EBQOP: I think that is considered a Pre-Emptive OMGUS vote, but I can't decide.

[Kinetic]

I think you might be setting up following him with a bandwagon vote then looking back and saying "that is why I did it". I'm going to beat you to it.

I never said you were on it, only that it seemed very suspicious to the point where to you could be setting up to jump on it safely. If you were just gathering information you could read without commenting like you are with your one-liners.

[Kinetic]

you know, the more i look at it and think about it, saying "good luck" really is a strange thing to do

in the other two games that you have played on this site, you never said good luck when you joined

its true, "good luck" is usually something you would say to an opponent.

I'm sorry, I must have missed your question... or question mark.... Can you point out where in these three useless posts where it would be?

I'm not saying you should lurk. But I am saying that if you're going ot post, make it constructive.

[Kinetic]

That totally sounds like you trying to end my attack on you because you cannot find an defense for your scummy actions... Sorry, I don't believe in opinions or each person's own way. I believe in the right way.

[Kinetic]

I should rephrase: I don't believe in hiding behind unsupported opinions and ending a conversation just by saying 'its my opinion and I'm allowed to have it'. No, you are not.

If you cannot back up your opinions you don't deserve to have them. Your one-liners are annoying and have nothing to add. If you can back up your opinions you are allowed to have them again. Until then you will do what you are told, your opinion license has been suspended.

[Kinetic]

Sounds like semantics to me.

[Kinetic]

... We still have 6 days left. This blatant bandwagoning is just a scum trick to try and not make them look scummy for doing an obvious town roll. If you let this go on the scum will just bandwagon every townie by starting a bandwagon and once it is 3-4 people full will say everyone not on it is scummy.

This is ridiculous and counter productive...

True, we have a deadline, but for cripes sake it is still 6 days away. You don't get a prize for lynching someone 5 days before deadline. And just because someone says its scummy not to bandwagon at this point doesn't make it so!

[Kinetic]

BA: You voted me for saying good luck, you are encouraging a bandwagon with your scum partner Dragon Phoenix. Got it, your actions are dully noted.

[Kinetic]

BA: I'm continuing to point out how ludicrous your argument is. I want everyone to understand that the reason you are voting me and actively advocating my lynch is because I said, and I quote "good luck". I want everyone to understand how absolutely stupid that is so if I do get lynched you won't survive 24 hours. At anytime you can drop this idiotic bandwagon and actually look for scum.

I honestly think logic is making quite the case for himself, and while it may be slightly OMGUS of me, I think that your baseless attack on me is very scummy. At best its a hunch and you're comfortable with a quick mislynch. Like I said, your blatant disregard for the interests of the town is noted.

[Kinetic]

I really don't think BA is scum, I think he is acting scummy and stubborn. I'm trying to get him to realize that and reevaluate his behavior. You are being scummy and illogical. I think you actually are scum, as opposed to I just think BA is being scummy. Understand the difference?

Plus, even if I thought BA and you were both scum, guess what: The possibility exists that all three of you could be scum, because guess what, there are three scum in the game! Imagine those odds!

I think DP, BA and you are acting scummy. I think you are the scummiest of the three so I'm voting for you. Get it now?

[Kinetic]

I can gather information by talking to a donkey in the middle of the Arizona Desert. I can get a lot of great information too. However just because its a way of gathering information doesn't mean its correct, will gain anything useful, or generally helpful to the TOWN.

You are illogical because your argue

[Kinetic]

bleh... pushed submit mid sentence...

You are illogical because your arguments that, while they seem to make sense in actually do not. They look like they could be right, but in fact are poorly written and poorly explained.

[Kinetic]

I can gather information by talking to a donkey in the middle of the Arizona Desert. I can get a lot of great information too. However just because its a way of gathering information doesn't mean its correct, will gain anything useful, or generally helpful to the TOWN.

Well, I find it very audacious of you to:

1) claim that there is only one way to gather information

Ummm, when did I say that? No, I believe what I did was patronize you because your way is wrong, not that there arn't more than one correct way. Just because there is more than one way doesn't mean all ways are good. That was what I was trying to say. I guess I should have spelled that out for you.

2) that you have any idea how i gather information

And I have never said I knew 'how' you gather information, only that what you have been doing so far is distracting and anti-town.

I have never said how I gather, I just said I do things other than answer questions.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions and guesses about how I play and in doing that you have been overfocusing on me.

Exactly, you are evasive, never answer direct questions when asked, create posts that are useless and often against the towns interests, and overall are not helping the town in anyway. Sounds like I understand you perfectly...

Maybe I am focusing on you too much, but so far you're the only person that sticks out. I am also noting all the people who are quite happy not saying anything and hiding in the background and bandwagoning.

BA/DP are acting anti-town, but I don't exactly think they're scum yet. You on the other hand I'm pretty sure is scum. If not, at very least you are acting against the benefit of the town, and that is more than enough reason to lynch you, or at least to vote for you.

I've justified why I am voting you with clear logical reasons, which is more than most of the people voting for me.

[Kinetic]

If either of you have gained any information from this baseless argument (okay, argument based on WIFOM, but, you know...), PLEASE SAY SO NOW! Right now you're both just flining monkey crap at each other, which isn't productive to our DEADLINED TOWN.

Well, I think most of what you have to say is wrong as well.

But as far as my argument with kinetic goes, i dont really think he is scum, just someone who thinks more than they really do.

I will

make something up for

everything he has said tomorrow

because I am scum

.

Fixed.

[Kinetic]

Dear Mert and DP, please explain your votes. I realize that is extremely annoying to you guys to actually take responsibility for your actions, however I'm not going to sit down and let you keep your cards in your hand so when the lynch happens you can fall back on

lies

your convenient stories about how you were just going with the flow.

I'm not the one who is going to look like scum after you lynch me, you are, and you're going to have to explain your actions either now or later. I would hope you can explain them now so I can at least defend against your accusations while I am still around. If you do not at least do this much I will be forced to believe you actually are scum. I don't think you are right now, but I am starting to get concerned by your flippant attitudes.

[Kinetic]

Reading further on down, I see that my argument is basically the same as Kinetic's... hmm. However, I must point out that what he's saying is a bit useful... if you're scum, I'll take his actions as bussing.

This confuses me a little bit. It sounds like you're saying you agree with me. Then it sounds like you're saying that the very argument is scummy...

Are you saying you yourself are scummy?

I'm lost. If you could clarify I would be very appreciative.

[Kinetic]

somestrangeflea

Wow....

Ok, I would really like to know these "obvious reasons"!

This is insane. BA says that I look scummy for saying good luck and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with absolutely no conversation? This is so completely anti-town play, and there are more players doing so than there are scum, so I have no idea what is going on...

I cannot imagine this type of play being pro-town...

[Kinetic]

I'd prefer to know your "obvious" reasons for voting me before I put my self out there anymore. I think I've been more than fair, I've explained myself to the best of my ability and have been actively trying to find scum. I have been trying to use logic and reason to do so, but when I'm being counter attacked by random scum-diggory all because a scary looming deadline, well I really don't think I can defend myself.

I'll agree, we need to lynch someone, and I agree we don't have a lot of time, but if the best reason you have (and consequently the only one I've heard) is because I said good luck... How can I defend that? I've already explained my actions, but how is that not enough?

And on top of that I'm being compounded and expected to dig myself out, but I honestly have NO IDEA what I'm being attacked with... Its completely absurd, and I'm beginning to think if I'm going to be fighting this uphill battle all game, then lynch me now and be done with it. But as long as I'm in the game I'm going to demand to know why. If you cannot defend your actions, then you should evaluate your self and see if your actions are even worth defending.

[Kinetic]

Your responses have been the most convincing thing for me, Kinetic. The whole good luck thing is just a theory which, while I do believe it is possible, I just wanted to get responses out of you and put the pressure on. You've followed the string of general scum reactions when pressed by something questionable on Day 1. Ending with:

"Its completely absurd, and I'm beginning to think if I'm going to be fighting this uphill battle all game, then lynch me now and be done with it."

Generally, scum will say that when they are realising that this isn't working. It is a plea to the emotions. But in general, the angry posts, the OMGUSing, and the "How the hell can I defend myself?" argument are all part of that general trail from what I've observed.

Wel I have absolutely no idea what reaction you were expecting town to make, but let me explain exactly what I was thinking:

First, ok we're in the random vote phase yay yay....

HA, logic actually thinks BA isn't joking, wow he's dumb...

Wait.... BA isn't joking...?? Really? Thats odd, well its not the big a deal, I'll explain myself...

Wait,... he doesn't believe me.... what's going on... *shurg*, I'm sure no one else is going to believe such an argument...

Wait... wtf, other people are voting me as well..

WTF someone is actually saying that if they don't bandwagon me they're scum!

This is all completely insane......

[Kinetic]

Reading further on down, I see that my argument is basically the same as Kinetic's... hmm. However, I must point out that what he's saying is a bit useful... if you're scum, I'll take his actions as bussing.

This confuses me a little bit. It sounds like you're saying you agree with me. Then it sounds like you're saying that the very argument is scummy...

Are you saying you yourself are scummy?

I'm lost. If you could clarify I would be very appreciative.

I agreed with your first paragraph and disagreed with the last.

That would've been easily noticeable if you weren't looknig for anything to call me scummy over. I'm beginning to agree with the wagon on you...

Xyzzy, I think you're misunderstanding me. I really didn't understand what you were saying.... I think I figured out where it was thought that confused me:

Reading further on down, I see that my argument is basically the same as Kinetic's... hmm. However, I must point out that what he's saying is a bit useful... if you're scum, I'll take his actions as bussing.

I thought that the comma right after 'if you're scum' was actually a period, and read your comment like this:

Reading further on down, I see that my argument is basically the same as Kinetic's... hmm. However, I must point out that what he's saying is a bit useful... if you're scum.

Which sounds a lot like you were calling yourself scummy, which was confusing to me since I didn't understand. Since I have figured out why I was confused, and now I understand, I'm sorry for calling you scummy... I wasn't looking for a way to call you scummy, in fact I really didn't think I did call you scummy. I was just confused and asking for a clarification and was trying to explain my confusion to you.

[Kinetic]

I can gather information by talking to a donkey in the middle of the Arizona Desert. I can get a lot of great information too. However just because its a way of gathering information doesn't mean its correct, will gain anything useful, or generally helpful to the TOWN.

Well, I find it very audacious of you to:

1) claim that there is only one way to gather information

Ummm, when did I say that?

Granted, you never straight out said it, but in post 41 you quoted some posts of mine and asked where the question mark is. This seems to be implying if its not a question, its not a way to gather information, hence only one way to do it.

Here is the post RIGHT before the one you are responding to:

so lurk?

how can you possibly gather information without asking questions?

I was responding to your assertion that you needed to ask questions to gain information. I kindly pointed out you have not actually even asked any questions.

Are you now saying that because I asked you why you weren't asking questions, in reply to you saying you needed to ask questions, you are now faulting on me for thinking you had to ask questions for your way of gathering information?

I think you are trying to double-talk your way out a jam here, and I also think that you realize this and are trying to place the blame on me.

SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE!!!

2) that you have any idea how i gather information

And I have never said I knew 'how' you gather information, only that what you have been doing so far is distracting and anti-town.

No, I believe what I did was patronize you because your way is wrong,

Sheesh, you admit you dont know how I am gathering information, but you are just certain that I am wrong. And you did this in the same post. How can you possibly be certain that what I am doing is wrong if you have no idea what I am doing?

I can be sure that I know your way is wrong based solely on your inability to produce any results from your observations. I'm pretty sure you are not actually gathering any information for the town's good, and are in fact trying to find a way to insinuate yourself into the game while still flying under the radar.

In addition, the posts that you have made are completely useless for the town and are generally attempts to deflect suspicion from yourself. If you ARE gathering information, you better divulge some of it now or else I have no choice but to believe you are scum.

I have never said how I gather, I just said I do things other than answer questions.

You are making a whole lot of assumptions and guesses about how I play and in doing that you have been overfocusing on me.

Exactly, you are evasive, never answer direct questions when asked, create posts that are useless and often against the towns interests, and overall are not helping the town in anyway. Sounds like I understand you perfectly...

You have no idea.

I think I have quite an idea actually.

[Kinetic]

Hey guys.
Thoughts:

logicticus, In a game where no one knows who is on their team, everyone could be your opponent.

hmm, somewhat valid point. although if you are scum you know exactly who is on your team. and then you would be wishing good luck to your opponents who are the majority of the rest of the players


and i havent jumped on any bandwagon. do you see me voting for you right now? im just getting more information

This is a ridiculous post, sorry to say. Having played as both scum and town in chat games, I know that even then when you are typing fast and not thinking as much, nobody would say anything that obviously a shout out to scum. Honestly I think that either you a pretending to accuse to get reactions or that you are accusing on really baseless grounds.

That's basically my entire argument against my lynch... it seems like a stupid idea blown out of proportion, and since we are deadlined everyone just jumps on with little/no discussion because they're scared of either looking scummy or no lynch...

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Also,

... We still have 6 days left. This blatant bandwagoning is just a scum trick to try and not make them look scummy for doing an obvious town roll. If you let this go on the scum will just bandwagon every townie by starting a bandwagon and once it is 3-4 people full will say everyone not on it is scummy.

This is ridiculous and counter productive...

True, we have a deadline, but for cripes sake it is still 6 days away. You don't get a prize for lynching someone 5 days before deadline. And just because someone says its scummy not to bandwagon at this point doesn't make it so!

Not every bandwagon has to end in a lynch to be useful. In fact, bandwagons are very useful, especially in later game analysis. I think that even with the deadline approaching, it is not such a threat that normal discussion acquision tactics can't be used (double negs ROCK). Maybe if deadline was tomorrow, we'd need to do some quick thinking... don't jump the gun and make a mistake we'd regret. Or maybe you wouldn't regret it...

Which is why I'm so concerned about this bandwagon... it seems like no one is stopping and advocating slowing down and looking at the facts but me. And I can't make these arguments because no matter what argument I make it looks scummy because I'm trying to defend myself...

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Dear Mert and DP, please explain your votes. I realize that is extremely annoying to you guys to actually take responsibility for your actions, however I'm not going to sit down and let you keep your cards in your hand so when the lynch happens you can fall back on

lies

your convenient stories about how you were just going with the flow.

I'm not the one who is going to look like scum after you lynch me, you are, and you're going to have to explain your actions either now or later. I would hope you can explain them now so I can at least defend against your accusations while I am still around. If you do not at least do this much I will be forced to believe you actually are scum. I don't think you are right now, but I am starting to get concerned by your flippant attitudes.

OK now I think this post looks like a panicking scum to me. "Oh my God people are voting for me and I don't like it so I will throw a hissy fit and hope that they will unvote in worry that they will look scummy to the other players." People don't usually look scummy after a mislynch when they form opinions on a player who looks scummy. If you are indeed town, it's your responsibility to look town, not our responsibility to trust you.

I don't remember asking them to Unvote (Although yes that is my end game...), but I do remember asking them to explain why they voted... It's hard to defend my actions when I don't know what to defend. At that point the only argument against me was I said "good luck", which you yourself point out is a baseless argument.

Maybe I am panicking, I didn't think about it that way, but I guess that could be right. But I could be panicking all the same whether I'm town or scum... I don't want to get lynched... I think since its getting closer and closer to that possibility that I would at least like something to defend against instead of just laying back and dying...

somestrangeflea

Wow....

Ok, I would really like to know these "obvious reasons"!

This is insane. BA says that I look scummy for saying good luck and everyone jumps on the bandwagon with absolutely no conversation? This is so completely anti-town play, and there are more players doing so than there are scum, so I have no idea what is going on...

I cannot imagine this type of play being pro-town...

Again more panicking and tantrum-ing. Looking more and more suspicious by the minute my friend. Finally topped off with the angry scum post:

If you look at the timestamps, I literally refreshed the page after my post before this one and this post my somestrange was there as well, which added to my anxiety. I keep hearing that the reasons for the votes are obvious, but except for you and BA, all I see is people bandwagoning with absolutely no explanation. And EVEN if those people are town, without explaining their actions they are acting in an anti-town way. I'm not even talking about lynching me, but if even one of the "no explanation" votes is not scum, then they are helping give the scum a free pass to vote and lynch without discussion. That hurts the town in the end.

I'd prefer to know your "obvious" reasons for voting me before I put my self out there anymore. I think I've been more than fair, I've explained myself to the best of my ability and have been actively trying to find scum. I have been trying to use logic and reason to do so, but when I'm being counter attacked by random scum-diggory all because a scary looming deadline, well I really don't think I can defend myself.

I'll agree, we need to lynch someone, and I agree we don't have a lot of time, but if the best reason you have (and consequently the only one I've heard) is because I said good luck... How can I defend that? I've already explained my actions, but how is that not enough?

And on top of that I'm being compounded and expected to dig myself out, but I honestly have NO IDEA what I'm being attacked with... Its completely absurd, and I'm beginning to think if I'm going to be fighting this uphill battle all game, then lynch me now and be done with it. But as long as I'm in the game I'm going to demand to know why. If you cannot defend your actions, then you should evaluate your self and see if your actions are even worth defending.

"Fine. If you don't believe me then lynch me. See if I care. Poo heads."
Basically I agree with Brutal Assassin's post 94.



Sorry about not giving thoughts for so long, it's moving week here at the Becca household and everything she owns must be transported 10 miles in a Ford Focus.


/sleeps.

[/quote]

Take a look at my profile. Now look when this is all happening. Its my 21st Birthday and I was spending time dealing with this crap, and at that point I was just at the end of my rope. I didn't want to continue to spend my time doing this defending when all that happens is my very defense then becomes the reason for more people to vote me. So yes, I was frustrated and finally just gave up with that. I'll respond to people who want to actually make an argument against me, but I'm finished fighting no-explanation votes. Its like trying to kick a wave back into the ocean. If I get lynched with no explanation votes then it doesn't help the town in any way.

At the VERY least, if there is discussion people can be held accountable for their role in this lynch after its over. And if I am doomed to die, then I would at least hope that those responsible are forced to explain their actions. I would PREFER they do so now, so they can't fall back on "Well I believed what BA said" and all that, because at least I can defend myself now.

So yes. I am going to prod all those people who vote without explaining, because their actions, no matter what side they be on, are hurting the town.

[Kinetic]

I will fullly admit I was wrong and for some reason I never reread that part to realize where you were coming from. You werent trying to imply that you can only get info from asking questions, it was in response to me. So I was wrong there, but I ascertain that you have no idea how I play this game and just because you dont see anything day 1 doesnt mean you wont ever.

And if I am flying under the radar, thats new. I am doing everything but flying under the radar.

If I had information that I had gathered, for some reason I doubt you would be convinced not to vote for me. You will be on my ass until one of us dies, so I dont feel the need to submit to your demands.

Well since we're all admitting things, I'll admit this is the first post you've made that might make me think you're not scum.

I do believe I said you were trying to fly under the radar. In this game you must post once every 24 hours and your first couple posts were small and useless. Ever since I called you out on that, you have no choice but to respond. So what I said still applies. Trying and succeeding are two different things.

As for your last paragraph, all I can say is try me. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm dead, so I'd at least like to try and get as much accomplished before the town mislynches me. Maybe I can stumble upon something useful while they're all focused on me so when they reread they can use it to help find scum.

[Kinetic]

I've got the answer for that, but will let Poppin give an explanation (which will probably be the same anyways, at this rate)

10$ says his answer is that scum are more likely to panic because there are less of them and they have a more survivor role.

[Kinetic]

Kinetic I'm curious about why you felt you had to bet 10$ on his answer? Seems to me you're trying to earn points in an unnecessary way. Your answer sounds good, could it be the reason you could explain it so simply and with confidence ( 10$ ) is that you are scum yourself?

Vote:Kinetic

No the answer is quite simple. He thinks I'm scum so he has rose-tinted glasses on everything I do. No matter WHAT I do he can find a way to mae it look scummy at this point, and honestly what can I say. I said that because honestly it was the truth. And the 10$ thing was just a figure of speech, not an actual bet.

[Kinetic]

I've got the answer for that, but will let Poppin give an explanation (which will probably be the same anyways, at this rate)

10$ says his answer is that scum are more likely to panic because there are less of them and they have a more survivor role.

Don't insult my intellegence.

Start showing some so I can insult it then.

[Kinetic]

-.-;; I'm betting there are at least two scum on my wagon.


6 votes for Kinetic (Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix, Mert, Jimmy R, poppinpuffin, kravhen)

Well since no one wants to wait the four days until deadline and absolutely must lynch me, I'm pretty much positive there is some people on there acting for less dubious means. However because I cannot question them and they continue to fly under the radar I'll just have to post this analysis and hope it helps the town postmortem.

Brutal Assassin: Seems town to me. Originally seemed scummy until he actually explained himself. However I still think at best its 50/50. So I put him at

5/10

on my scumdar
Dragon Phoenix: I'm absolutely sure if anyone is scum on my wagon, he seems like the first pick. Scumdar

9/10

Mert: Since he voted me he has been silent. Scum? Maybe, but the town won't allow me to really prod his reasons...

6/10

Jimmy R: Same as Mert, but I just get a weird scummy feeling from him. Can't explain it, mostly because he's posted.. once?

6/10

poppinpuffin: Same as BA.

5/10

kravhen: Seems like opportunistic scum putting me at -1.

7/10

And someone who isn't on my wagon but would have been if I didn't kick his ass before he tried.

Logicticus: SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE

10/10

Yea...

I'm not going to self-hammer, however I still think I'm dead soon, so yea, waste your time on a deadlined game. You guys are about as bright as a dark alley.

Claim:Vanilla

, for those who care, but that isn't going to save me either. Just figured those who do have brains can start planning about after my death now.

And since it seems GOOD LUCK is taboo, I hope you all suck, have shitty luck, and get washed down a sewer drain while being stabbed by multiple hobos.

There, is that better?

[Kinetic]

And yea, the reason I'm emotional/annoyed at everyone: How you can turn GOOD LUCK into a scum tell, mean it, and when I try to explain that saying good luck is a nothing you use my defense to call me scum.

Yea, that is LUDICROUS! Absolutely send them to the mental ward BONKERS! Its crazy in every way! I defended against such and idiotic and baseless claim as best I could, and apparently defending myself and trying to convince th town that they are making a mistake is SCUMMY. Whatever, all will be revealed soon.

[Kinetic]

And someone who isn't on my wagon but would have been if I didn't kick his ass before he tried.

Logicticus: SCUMSCUMSCUMDIESCUMDIE 10/10

Please.

Please die?

[Kinetic]

Unvote, Vote:Dragon

I'm fully prepared to admit Logic could be town, but I was trying to see what I could develop out of him while I could act with impunity about to die. That being said, Dragon is one of my highest suspects. If he thinks a bandwagon is the right way to go, I say we should let him take the lead .

[Kinetic]

Kill them all and let Mod sort them out.

[Kinetic]

Aaaaand I'm at -1 again, lol

[Kinetic]

Sorry folks, I meant to post last night but didn't get chance in the end.

Considering the info we have (not much at this stage) I'm going to keep my vote on Kinetic, especially with a deadline looming, I've no reason to switch it anywhere else.

I disagree with what BA said about giving opinions on people before getting lynched not being something a scum would do. I've seen that loads of times as a last ditch effort to seem town. It's even more possible that it's a scumtell when they haven't done it before as well. It's really not like hes giving up info as it's nothing that insightful that everyone else hasn't seen.

Vote stays where it is.

Ahhh scum logic. Its so nice for you to grace us with your presence Jimmy. How are you? Doing fine? No? Well let me get to the heat of the matter here:

The reason why giving such a report right before getting lynched is important is because of this reason: The reason my post is insightful is because it gives a point of view from me when you almost certainly are going to know my alignment if I get lynched. From there you then can see exactly who is and isn't scummy.

One of the most basic rules is that if the first lynch of the game is on a townie, 90% of the time, half of the scum are on that lynch. Why? Because townies are notoriously slow to place a vote on anyone. This game has changed that slightly, however, because of the rapid deadlines, but since mafia know who is and is not on their side they can sway the town with two or three very opportune votes. That is why when someone voted is more important to me than how they voted.

Almost certainly the first vote is not going to be mafia. A mafia player is more likely to coat tail on a town player and place the second or third vote to push the town along. Now the second vote here, by Dragon, was extremely scummy, to the point where if scum was oil, he'd be as rich as a Bush in Texas. Since then Dragon has been pretty much lurking, coming back to hammer away at the point that he is not moving his vote.

The next vote that seemed to fit that pattern was the -1 vote by Kravhen, and honestly I might even conclude that his lurking/vote of opportunity is even scummier than Dragon's "Kill Kinetic or you're scum", but I think Kravhen is going to be modkilled at this rate. If he "checks in" again, I might consider changing my vote to him, because once is an accident, twice is a pattern.

This really sucks. Schism's death means that we've effectively no-lynched.

I find it weird that Kinetic's last 2 posts have said nothing particularly contentful. My thoughts aren't strong enough to put him at L-1, but there's still 3 days left.

Sorry, I can't post meaningful content laden posts all the time. Maybe you should direct your ire at some of the other townies that haven't posted any content... at all... I'll list them: Khraven, Jimmy R, Mert, DragonPhoenix, somestrangeflea.

[Kinetic]

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[Kinetic]

MOD EDIT: The dead don't talk.

[Kinetic]

Game ruined by townies getting themselves mod-killed. -.-;