—Mini 1635— Curse of the Werewolves: Game Over

[All is Who]

Sorry, guys. I missed the game start because I didn't remember which game Who said he signed up for and I didn't log into the hydra to check. And also shadow didn't send a PM to my main, which is cool and fine but I kind of expected it to come when the game started.

Sorry, shadow! I'll get right on reading up and murdering townies/stabbing werewolves with a noose, whichever one I'm meant to do, after work tonight.

If someone could go ahead and tell me who is scum, who is town, and who is lynchbait I should be voting that'd be great. If not, I hate you all and you're meanyfaces.

Also of note: Is this a closed/open/semiopen setup?

~AngryPidgeon

[All is Who]

Oh, I just looked at the playerlist. Hi mollie, TTH, Pine, ABR, Perv, nacho, flames, and farside!

The rest of you are probably nerds.

~Antihero

[All is Who]

What on earth? AP is in this game?

Not as far as I know. I have no idea what gave you that impression.

Ah, I see.

Update the members of the Jingle hydra in the OP for me, please.

The OP has the correct members of the Jingle hydra. The Jingle hydra is Jingle and Who.

If someone could go ahead and tell me who is scum, who is town, and who is lynchbait I should be voting that'd be great. If not, I hate you all and you're meanyfaces.

Also of note: Is this a closed/open/semiopen setup?

~AngryPidgeon

So far the main content in this thread can be summarized with "generational conflict." Nothing has really led me to want to change my initial vote on Pine.

This is closed.

Is this generational conflict as in "Hey you, get off my lawn" or "Let's go beat up that old guy, I bet he has money" or "You're music is terrible and inferior to mine" or "This is a war that will define a generation"? Why? Who instigated it? Why hasn't anything else happened in eight pages? Is it your fault? Do you hate freedom? Is that it?

Why did you vote Pine, why are you voting him now, and what is your stance on the TellTalePirates hydra?

[All is Who]

~Ankamius

[All is Who]

So...

Spoiler: WAAAAAAALLLLLLS

@Hydras please sign when posting.

Will do. You're probably gonna hate me shortly.

Are we doing poetry?

I only have one memorized and the rating is R
So I recommend those who get offended by vulgarity not read the spoiler.

[...] (Dirty limerick edited out on request) —Shadow—

One day I will be teaching that poem and the pervert version of the Spider-Man song to my child with no apology.

Is that still not standard for hydras?

I LIKE DIRTY LIMERICKS TOO! http://io9.com/read-the-dirty-and-scien ... 1569289621

It is still frustrating, namely if people play the 'tee hee' game. Regardless.

The Great Smoked Halibut is one of the gods of the food world. Did they not teach this lore to you when you were a wee sardine, my son?

mollie, Nacho ignores me too but I just sit and wait for him to return. You have to trust in him too. Like you trust in the Great Smoked Salmon. Though I do not deny that there is sometimes sadness when I am overlooked for a prettier

fish

girl.

Sorry in advance. Also, you're probably town. Congrats!

NACHO STAHP LOOKING UP 50 SHADES QUOTES

Because your last 50 Shades game was a scum one?

Southern Gothic is already an annoyance, so yeah. Vote vote.

Oh boy. It begins.

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OOOH! That's a cool idea! I'm gonna steal that the next time I bother to mod!

This mollie person has done nothing of significance in mafiascum history.

you replaced out cos there was a hydra in the game and you dislike hydras.

I dislike hydras in general, but the Jingle hydra is alright. I like Jingle. I don't like your posts though.

I just lost a micros by removing 1 of my good friends!

You removed one of your good friends from your privileged circle, which resulted in you losing the micro game you were playing? What?

We'll soon fix that. Anyway, mollie plays because she likes people. So she tends not to lynch her friends as easily, and she gets sad when she does. And she gets even sadder when she myslynches them and they were town. Or at least, I think that's what she's saying.

pirate mollie when I talk to you I feel like I'm speaking to a child. Are you an adult?

no.

Mollie, how old were you when you groped Courtney Love?

He's being all conciliatory and diplomatic and...

nice

ABR who gives a shit what people think of us, he's scum

Hey! Someone's making a decent argument! Icerint lied to me!

He's being all conciliatory and diplomatic and...nice

I'm nice.

Gentlemen, let's be reasonable. Voting for me for being complimentary and expressing my approval of you is like feeding your dog when he's begging for food while you're eating. You're not reinforcing the behavior you want to elicit here.

Don't presume. Maybe I like it when my dog begs. Did you ever consider that? Huh? Anyway, let's humor my dog. What do you think are the names of the scumteam?

You're presuming I have a crush on you for your conciliatory personality.

No, I think you have a crush on him because he's really pretty and his singing voice leaves you weak in the knees.

So far (end of page three) Pine, Mollie, and Andrius are town. I'm looking funny at Icy and ABR.

PEdit: No. It's a gimmick. We're not gonna stop. Me and Who have much different posting styles anyway, and arguing about who is scum is more productive than complaining about the last line of each of our posts.

~Albert B. Rampage

[All is Who]

Dammit, I forgot nesting spoilers kills the whole thing.

@Shadowmod- If you wouldn't mind, deleting the spoilered part of the Farside quote would cut down a lot on the thread clutter. I'm sorry.

~Andrius

[All is Who]

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I feel like albert might be scum trying to hide behind a pl on me which isn't to happen with this playerlist. that he is being so stubborn about it in lieu of doing any scumhunting looks pretty scummy to me. looking at four trouble too.

That's not why ABR is trying to lynch you at all? Do you have experience with ABR at all?

plz explain to me oh wise 1 why exactly he is voting us? cos I just iso-ed him and I feel pretty confident that I am going to win this argument. but I anxiously await your response.

This is why mollie doesn't have to sign her posts.

~Axle

[All is Who]

I really want to vote them just to get rid of them.
If you're going to play as a hydra, at least be courteous to the other players.

If you can give me a good reason why me signing with random scummer's names is in any way affecting your ability to read the thread, I'll consider it. But it won't unless you tunnel in on it. It's a throwaway line at the end of a post that doesn't have any bearing on the game at all. It's not an insult, or a joke. It's not meant to be rude to you or to the people whose names I'm using. If anything, it's a compliment. Every player who I've signed as with this hydra is someone I genuinely like or someone I hope to enjoy games with, sometimes both.

There is virtually no difference between this, and not signing posts. There are plenty of things to get mad at hydra players about. The inherent benefits of having a partner whose opinion you can trust. The opportunity to abuse hydra dissonance to get away with waffly reads. The fact that we can often end up spamming a thread and filling it with useless garbage. The way I sign my posts is not something that's even close to the top of that list.

The signature thing is a way to amuse ourselves and keep us invested in the game. I plan on hunting and finding scum, but I plan on having fun doing it. With some hydras I do that by insulting the entire playerlist in a PT and ranting about how stupid the other players are. With some I like to tell jokes in a PT. Sometimes, I just have a cheap, silly little gimmick that doesn't actually impact the game. Ask yourself, "Why does this bother me? Would it bother me if it was a single player in the slot? Is it actually something that is difficult to ignore?"

~AniX

[All is Who]

Hi guys-checking on but still on limited access.

if you try to lurk this game out I am going to lynch you.

cos that shit is getting old real fast.

I mean if we are going to bandy around pl's then they as well be for good reasons and not the sort of "omg they are abrasive no wait that looks like scum agreeing with my read no wait that is discrediting" crap that is going on. or the "they are nonsensical" piece that albert is trying throw to around which you seem to think is coming from town?

also that is not shoehorning that is using the idiom "if the shoe fits" which I am thinking it does!

Mollie, it's New Year's Eve Eve. Give the guy a little slack. At least wait until January 6th until we lynch him for being a lurksack.

ABR, why are you voting Pine? What do you think is scummy about his behavior?

Andrius, as a brief break from yelling at me about my gimmick, could you please expand on the Ice read?

~Aronis

[All is Who]

My apologies for being so late, I was expecting an email notification that the hydra had got a PM, but I forgot that the other head created the account and thus I wouldn't get one. And the other head didn't tell me the game had started. Catching up now.

As for signing posts, I am Who, except so is everyone else. All is Who and Who is all, you people are all my alts, everyone not in the game are all my alts. I hope that that clears things up.
~Sthar8

[All is Who]

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Andrius, if you genuinely have any trouble telling us apart, let me know. I'll try to find some way to differentiate myself from Who. So far, this is all me. I will not budge on the signature thing, because we agreed with each other to do it before we signed up for this game. So far this has all been Jingle. When Who gets in here the difference should be pretty easy to spot.

So, to sum up your defense, Four, you're low hanging fruit.

And Andy, you're invoking his beetlejuicing. Interesting.

Do either of you disagree with that summary?

I will give Peregrine time because, while at this moment I cannot remember where, I do remember him as being a decent scummer who should come around.

In my experience, Perv is a strong town player and has good reads, but his thread presence leaves something to be desired as both alignments.

PEdit: Oh, Who's back.

~aphix

[All is Who]

So far, this is all me.

Liar.

I got enough from a brief reading what's happened so far to have the following reads:
Pine: Town
Farside: Scum
Konowa: Town
In order of descending sureness.
All are completely gut, I haven't done any analysis on anyone yet.

~Majiffy

[All is Who]

The bolded part of your quote above seems to indicate that you had not yet looked at your role PM before posting. Nor had you looked at your PT with the mod before posting.
If none of that occurred, how were you able to come to the awareness that the game had started and you were part of a hydra in it?

The mod PMed us both saying "Yo, you're both online, go check the hydra's PMs and catch up on the game". This is also why we both came to the game at approximately the same time, despite not communicating with each other. (Speaking of which, the other head and I need to talk)

~Natirasha

[All is Who]

I made us a PT so we can talk because the old QT is dead to me. I also bookmarked it in our hydra and gave you access, so feel free to ask there and you shall receive. Though to be fair, I don't have much in the way of reads as yet.

Forgive me, I do not know what you mean. I am unfamiliar with Beetlejuice.
He is a player who has denied us reasoning for his first scum vote (curious) and is basing his lack of activity and explanations on V/LA, which is understandable but does not provide any insight into his alignment. Thus, I await his return and the chance to more accurately discern his motivations.

Beetlejuicing is a tell I've used successfully in the past named in reference to the great movie. In said movie, the title character is summoned (and given power) by saying his name repeatedly. The tell is that someone who appears without fail when their name is mentioned but is not otherwise available is likely scum.

Would it be accurate to say that you believe 4Tenors is exhibiting this behavior?

Other than 4Seasons, who do you think is most likely scum?

4Teen, other than Andrius, who would you say is likely to be scum?

So far the main content in this thread can be summarized with "generational conflict." Nothing has really led me to want to change my initial vote on Pine.

This is closed.

Is this still true? What do you think of Andy/4 or TTMollie/Flames?

Anyway, I should go to bed so I can go to work in the morning. Seeyall laters!

~Alchemist

[All is Who]

I believe that no more than the other claim.

So what you're saying is that he's an Innocent Child 2 shot daycop death miller. I can believe that.

VOTE: ice

Me and who really need to talk reads, but I'm good with this for now.

~ac1983fan

[All is Who]

I've been marathoning all of the avatar the last airbender episodes, will report back as a new man when I finish Season 3. I think Iec is a pretty horrible vote!

Then everything changed when the fire nation attacked.

Why is Icy a bad vote?

He's voting an IC. His reaction to pine was weird. I haven't seen anything incredibly town from him.

I suppose I could also vote ABR, but really, it's not a bad place to be voting AFAICT, and the ABR case doesn't seem inherently stronger.

~Abomination

[All is Who]

Sorry about being a little bit absent. Icy brought up a good point, and he seems to be working through things.

VOTE: ABR

[All is Who]

I'll see your townread on andy, and raise you an assertion that there's scum on his wagon.

[All is Who]

How would you feel about joining me on ABR.

[All is Who]

There's a disconnect between #321, #332 and #378. I don't follow the leap.

Is it roughly 45 posts and 2 days?

SG and Who are the two players who expressed rhetoric away from Andy and toward you on the previous page. You are a relatively safe target if town because multiple players have expressed suspicion.

For clarity: I do not think that exactly one of them is scum; I think that at most one of them is scum (neither or exactly one). I don't think they are both scum (regardless of your alignment) because they were synced up too blatantly.

Oh, that's fair, but ABR is also taking a safe target, Andy, given that he's you know, sheeping onto the wagon.

[All is Who]

Let me explain ABR scum first, because honestly a large portion of Andy town is that the wagon on him looks like it was put together by you and a bunch of scum/five year olds.

[All is Who]

Take note, Iecerint and Nacho are historically some of my closest allies and favorite players, and Pine has quickly reached the same status in the few games I've been with him this year.

Buddying noted.

Votes you can depend on. Consistent posting schedule. Relatable point of view. You're good soldiers.

Buddying still noted.

Gentlemen, let's be reasonable. Voting for me for being complimentary and expressing my approval of you is like feeding your dog when he's begging for food while you're eating. You're not reinforcing the behavior you want to elicit here.

"Don't vote me, because then I'll never be nice to you again." This isn't a reasonable defense. This is an admission that he's playing differently from normal and a threat to get people to stop voting him. This is not a town reaction.

Nacho's become weirder.

Which matters because?

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I was being facetious. Come now, let's vote out the southern gothic abomination.

Oh, it matters because you're going to drop the line of reasoning as soon as anything bad for you comes of it. If he actually thought Nacho being weird as town was relevant to the game, he wouldn't have dropped it so easily. If he actually thought it wasn't as town, why bring it up in the first place. He's scum.

pirate hydra looks somewhat like self-justified town.

Unvote, vote Pine

Hmmm. No reason, no rhyme, and a mediocre at best reason for mollie/tth town, that mitigates their reads. They're not town because they're doing town things or thinking town reasons, note, but just that they're "self-justified" which is just so much nonsense. But good try.

Pine, I'd hate for you to be scum this game.

Because you're voting him and you'd hate to vote scum? Buddying noted again, this time on a player you are actively voting. Tsk Tsk.

You're scum, Pine, aren't you. smh.

Seriously?

@ albert

why are you ignoring the who people?

The signatures are annoying. I don't like them already.

You don't like us, so you ignore us. Not pressure us, not think we're scum. Did it occur to you we may have started our gimmick because it made people less likely to interact with us? (We didn't but it was a little bit helpful last game as scum.)

I'm not a good scum player, you give me too much credit.

Sure you're not. But it's worth noting that your play this game has been less than stellar, so... Maybe you're right. Let's find out.

Unvote

What are you going to do after I flip town? Use your second daycop?

So, it's been a long time since someone got a guilty on me as town, but generally doesn't that mean they're scum fakeclaiming? Why unvote here?

From what I can tell, the main thing to glean from my interaction with Pine I think is that I am probably town if ABR is scum.

Vote: Iecerint

This is terrible.

And Pine, you fail.

I agree with one thing here, and that is that Icy's "I'm town if ABR is scum" statement is dumb. But you're still not voting the person who claimed a guilty on you.

ABR, of all people, following that, especially after WhoHydra's previous vote, is particularly ludicrous.

Haha yes you're right.

Unvote, vote Pine

Maybe because he's scum, and he's just putting his vote anywhere where there might be a not him lynch.

Unvote, vote Andrius

Unvoting the player who is faking a guilty on you in order to hop on the leading wagon with no reasoning. Sure, I see the town motivation oozing out of that post. /sarcasm

Also interested in why there's an Andrius wagon. I'll have to look into that.

There isn't much, besides who he thinks is town. I don't like those reads he's given, personally.

Someone asked why I voted! Damn, better give them an answer. Why did I vote him again? There weren't real reasons? Shit. Why is "His reads are bad" any more egregious than what any other player has done this game, to include myself.

You raise good points. I like this wagon more and more. I miss playing with you Iecerint

PM me if you sign up for another game, k?

And he's started in on the buddying again. God, if you've been anything this game, it's been consistent. I love how the reasons you voted andy came from someone else after you'd already explained that you didn't have any. Could you be any more scummy?

The half-baked attempts at shifting attention away from Andrius and to me are disappointing.

I'll have you know that your OMGUS and accusations are much less baked than me, as well as your premature defense.

All aboard the ABR train, next stop, scum lynch. Choo Choo!

PEDIT:

I expected the OMGUS to come after the case, not before it.

[All is Who]

farside is 5 years old?

Or scum. Or really good at acting younger than her age. I'm not discounting anything here.

[All is Who]

Gentlemen, let's be reasonable. Voting for me for being complimentary and expressing my approval of you is like feeding your dog when he's begging for food while you're eating. You're not reinforcing the behavior you want to elicit here.

This by the way made me giggle when taken in context with the flavor. It's a scumclaim. (I know it's not actually a scumclaim, but he's our dog and he's begging for food.)

You're a wallpost.

[All is Who]

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Things that made me choose Andy:

1. His early townread on me seemed a little strong to me (I can follow it, but it seemed stronger than I expected), so he was already kinda on my mind.
2. His motive in asking for my read on PeregrineV indirectly is really unclear, especially in light of an apparent townread on me. Why ask his townread in particular? Why ask it of his townread indirectly?
3a. His take on my post-Pine posts would seem pretty non-default given a town read of me, but makes some sense if it's a "following the crowd"-derived take on the situation.
3b. His take on the same posts would seem to imply that I was town anyway (this one could just be a logic error, but in light of the rest it starts to fit a pattern).

Farside had independent reasons I think, but she echoed point 2. It feels like ABR is kind of sheeping me (e.g., Pine after I appeared to be attacking him rhetorically, then this), which feels kinda unfamiliar, but I guess he's at least pretty non-prejudicial in who he follows me onto.

1. He is either more sure of his reads than you think he should be or he's artificially strengthening them on D1. I actually don't have a problem with this at all. Like, he's doing that much less than other players, like me when I'm in the mood or mastin every single game do as town.
2. He is scumhunting awkwardly. A good point, but hardly enough to make me disregard the fact that other's have been worse.
3a. Well, that's interesting, consider I agree fully with his summation in 350.
3b. And it's suddenly a bad thing to read your townread's posts with suspicion. Shit, I've been telling newbies the wrong thing for at least a year, let me go fix all of those posts. /sarcasm

In short, your case is Ok, but not truly compelling. And given that I remember liking his scumhunting and he softclaimed incredibly early, he's just not the D1 play regardless of how you look at it.

[All is Who]

Gentlemen, let's be reasonable. Voting for me for being complimentary and expressing my approval of you is like feeding your dog when he's begging for food while you're eating. You're not reinforcing the behavior you want to elicit here.

This by the way made me giggle when taken in context with the flavor. It's a scumclaim. (I know it's not actually a scumclaim, but he's our dog and he's begging for food.)

Now you're just getting cute on me.

Yeah, kinda, hence why that wasn't a part of the actual case. Could you give me an alternate reason I went in your ISO to find your scummy posts and it turned out it was all of them?

[All is Who]

TL;DR another surface level scum case with such logic wow amaze quotes.

Nice strawman, scum.

1) Buddying isn't a scumtell.

Oh, it matters because you're going to drop the line of reasoning as soon as anything bad for you comes of it. If he actually thought Nacho being weird as town was relevant to the game, he wouldn't have dropped it so easily. If he actually thought it wasn't as town, why bring it up in the first place. He's scum.

2) Nacho is weird because of his shades quotes, not because of his play.

Hmmm. No reason, no rhyme, and a mediocre at best reason for mollie/tth town, that mitigates their reads. They're not town because they're doing town things or thinking town reasons, note, but just that they're "self-justified" which is just so much nonsense. But good try.

3) This is just silly and scummy.

You don't like us, so you ignore us. Not pressure us, not think we're scum. Did it occur to you we may have started our gimmick because it made people less likely to interact with us? (We didn't but it was a little bit helpful last game as scum.)

4) My dislike of you was unrelated to your alignment. See Nacho.

I could go on but I'm tired of your scumposting.

1.Yes, it kinda is. Some players use it as town, but buddying for no reason, even on supposed scumreads? Well, if you can't see the scum motivation there, you're a blind man.
2. And why is that alignment indicative? Why bring it up? What impact does it have on the game?
3. Yes, I agree. You jumping off of that wagon was silly and scummy. Glad to do business with you.
4. And I'm sure your OMGUS of me was unrelated to yours. Was the fact you made no attempts to read me also unrelated to my alignment?

PEdit: I'm thinking the scumteam will have the last laugh if you manage to lynch me, so... You, I guess?

[All is Who]

BTW, when ABR flips scum, Andy will be probs town as the scumchosen wagon today. Icy notsomuch, but he's seeming towny recently.

[All is Who]

Don't worry, I'll nom you for Scum Hydra slayer if you take our heads.

[All is Who]

4. And I'm sure your OMGUS of me was unrelated to yours. Was the fact you made no attempts to read me also unrelated to my alignment?

The annoyance at you was directed at your signatures; not alignment indicative. Your white knighting of Andrius and foolhardy attack on me is alignment indicative.

And you didn't attempt to read us at all before we attacked and you OMGUS'd because...

[All is Who]

@ Who - I think you might be missing what I am talking about in 3b, which might also be relevant to your take on 3a:

Its one thing to say

Daykill: Iecerint

in a game that is clearly flavor-heavy and have no indication that it is coming. There was no presence, nothing to work with. Nothing but the clear boredom. If anything, the case could be made that you are scum simply falling to easily to the 'hi daycop here XXX and YYY are guilty', believing it, and then lynching fakeclaimer the next day. Granted, that is what you did with the 'make it clear that if ABR flips town you die'.

1. It is only possible for scum to believe it if ABR is in fact scum.
2. There is no utility to setting up the lynch chain on Pine if ABR is in fact scum.
(Silly) Caveat: It is possible that scum could intentionally play so as to feign not recognizing these motivations. This is why it is a "probably" thing and not an absolute.

The point is just that there's a logical error. Town can make errors like this, but I think scum who choose their position first (cf., "following the crowd") and their logic second are more likely to end up with disconnect like this.

Town sometimes also choose their position first and their support/logic second, so it's not a sure thing, but FWIW.

Which is fair, and a decent point. But honestly, you see this ABR thing here right? I will eat my hat if he isn't scum here.

[All is Who]

And given that I remember liking his scumhunting and he softclaimed incredibly early, he's just not the D1 play regardless of how you look at it.

Can you at least admit that this means he will either become obvscum or get NK-ed fairly quickly?

[All is Who]

So, I'm kinda proud of that case. Thoughts? Criticisms? ABR votes?

[All is Who]

Don't worry, I'll nom you for Scum Hydra slayer if you take our heads.

I mean, we both know I'm scum, so yeah, that would be kind.

FTFY

[All is Who]

If he's town and scum have two braincells between them then he's getting shot, so meh.

[All is Who]

Tough luck, Who, I'm not getting lynched today.

You keep telling yourself that.

[All is Who]

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Things that made me choose Andy:

1. His early townread on me seemed a little strong to me (I can follow it, but it seemed stronger than I expected), so he was already kinda on my mind.
2. His motive in asking for my read on PeregrineV indirectly is really unclear, especially in light of an apparent townread on me. Why ask his townread in particular? Why ask it of his townread indirectly?
3a. His take on my post-Pine posts would seem pretty non-default given a town read of me, but makes some sense if it's a "following the crowd"-derived take on the situation.
3b. His take on the same posts would seem to imply that I was town anyway (this one could just be a logic error, but in light of the rest it starts to fit a pattern).

Farside had independent reasons I think, but she echoed point 2. It feels like ABR is kind of sheeping me (e.g., Pine after I appeared to be attacking him rhetorically, then this), which feels kinda unfamiliar, but I guess he's at least pretty non-prejudicial in who he follows me onto.

That's a fairly decent summation of the Andy wagon, even if I don't agree with it.

The other two real ones are Icy due to his reaction to Pine's gambit and ABR due to:

Take note, Iecerint and Nacho are historically some of my closest allies and favorite players, and Pine has quickly reached the same status in the few games I've been with him this year.

Buddying noted.

Votes you can depend on. Consistent posting schedule. Relatable point of view. You're good soldiers.

Buddying still noted.

Gentlemen, let's be reasonable. Voting for me for being complimentary and expressing my approval of you is like feeding your dog when he's begging for food while you're eating. You're not reinforcing the behavior you want to elicit here.

"Don't vote me, because then I'll never be nice to you again." This isn't a reasonable defense. This is an admission that he's playing differently from normal and a threat to get people to stop voting him. This is not a town reaction.

Nacho's become weirder.

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I was being facetious. Come now, let's vote out the southern gothic abomination.

Oh, it matters because you're going to drop the line of reasoning as soon as anything bad for you comes of it. If he actually thought Nacho being weird as town was relevant to the game, he wouldn't have dropped it so easily. If he actually thought it wasn't as town, why bring it up in the first place. He's scum.

pirate hydra looks somewhat like self-justified town.

Unvote, vote Pine

Hmmm. No reason, no rhyme, and a mediocre at best reason for mollie/tth town, that mitigates their reads. They're not town because they're doing town things or thinking town reasons, note, but just that they're "self-justified" which is just so much nonsense. But good try.

Pine, I'd hate for you to be scum this game.

Because you're voting him and you'd hate to vote scum? Buddying noted again, this time on a player you are actively voting. Tsk Tsk.

You're scum, Pine, aren't you. smh.

Seriously?

@ albert

why are you ignoring the who people?

The signatures are annoying. I don't like them already.

You don't like us, so you ignore us. Not pressure us, not think we're scum. Did it occur to you we may have started our gimmick because it made people less likely to interact with us? (We didn't but it was a little bit helpful last game as scum.)

I'm not a good scum player, you give me too much credit.

Sure you're not. But it's worth noting that your play this game has been less than stellar, so... Maybe you're right. Let's find out.

Unvote

What are you going to do after I flip town? Use your second daycop?

So, it's been a long time since someone got a guilty on me as town, but generally doesn't that mean they're scum fakeclaiming? Why unvote here?

From what I can tell, the main thing to glean from my interaction with Pine I think is that I am probably town if ABR is scum.

Vote: Iecerint

This is terrible.

And Pine, you fail.

I agree with one thing here, and that is that Icy's "I'm town if ABR is scum" statement is dumb. But you're still not voting the person who claimed a guilty on you.

ABR, of all people, following that, especially after WhoHydra's previous vote, is particularly ludicrous.

Haha yes you're right.

Unvote, vote Pine

Maybe because he's scum, and he's just putting his vote anywhere where there might be a not him lynch.

Unvote, vote Andrius

Unvoting the player who is faking a guilty on you in order to hop on the leading wagon with no reasoning. Sure, I see the town motivation oozing out of that post. /sarcasm

Also interested in why there's an Andrius wagon. I'll have to look into that.

There isn't much, besides who he thinks is town. I don't like those reads he's given, personally.

Someone asked why I voted! Damn, better give them an answer. Why did I vote him again? There weren't real reasons? Shit. Why is "His reads are bad" any more egregious than what any other player has done this game, to include myself.

You raise good points. I like this wagon more and more. I miss playing with you Iecerint

PM me if you sign up for another game, k?

And he's started in on the buddying again. God, if you've been anything this game, it's been consistent. I love how the reasons you voted andy came from someone else after you'd already explained that you didn't have any. Could you be any more scummy?

The half-baked attempts at shifting attention away from Andrius and to me are disappointing.

I'll have you know that your OMGUS and accusations are much less baked than me, as well as your premature defense.

All aboard the ABR train, next stop, scum lynch. Choo Choo!

PEDIT:

I expected the OMGUS to come after the case, not before it.

Fresh perspectives on all three would be nice.

[All is Who]

It has a pretty small effect on my read on him, though, because the fact that everyone begged him for it could easily account for it.

If he can easily replicate his normal meta, why would an intentional departure from that meta mean he's scum?

And why does him bowing to pressure and intentionally acting erratic make him town?

You're gonna have to do better than that, Pine. Why is Icy town? His recent posts make a lot of sense to me.

[All is Who]

EBWOP: Why isn't Icy town?

[All is Who]

:IGMEO:

Me and who are in agreement that Icy isn't the play today, and I doubt you're gonna convince us.

If we're gonna compromise off of ABR today, it's more likely to be onto 4Teen than anyone else.

[All is Who]

Also, you may have noticed I stopped signing. That is because I ran out of A name scummers I could think off of the top of my head., and I'm not quite ready to start on B.

[All is Who]

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Am willing to move to ABR, though I think FourTrouble is more likely scum.

Huh. This but in reverse. We've been talking and we may just jump to 4Tomatoes because the company is so sexy.

Pine, Icy, thoughts?

All is who is weird but town. I basically called him an asshole in my head during the 5 year old comment.

I <3 you too Farside.

[All is Who]

I'm going to preface this by saying that someone has inspired me to begin with my gimmick again. Well done.

my faulty memory interfered

But I thought you were perfect. My heart, she breaks.

New idea.

Unvote, vote Victor

Four, gogo.

I was just thinking Victor was scum via process of elimination, so yea I'm down for that.

Vote: Victor

This is pretty bad. Like, maybe the worst thing all game. I've come to expect dumb wagonhopping from ABR, but tell me, 4Tuppence, why Victor is the best lynch here. Exactly why do you believe he is scum? What will his scumflip tell you? Was there anything going through your head when you voted him other than "God, I hope I'm not lynched today."?

VOTE: FourTroubles

L-1.

~BROseidon

[All is Who]

Also, the attempts at us, Andy, and SG are pretty funny.

~BlueBloodedToffee

[All is Who]

Nacho, do me a giant favor and:

Make a towncase for 4.

Explain to me exactly what was 'bad' about my ABR case, and how that makes me scum.

Realize that the 4 wagon is 100% town.

Vote somewhere else.

@farside: please tell me something new.

—VOTE COUNT—

farside22

(0/7) —

Pine

,

Andrius

,

Nachomamma8

,

Konowa

Southern Gothic

(1/7)

—

Nachomamma8

,

FourTrouble

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Gilgamesh King Of Heroes

Iecerint

(0/7) —

Flames682

,

All is Who

,

Pine

,

Albert B. Rampage

FourTrouble

(5/7)

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farside22

,

Andrius, Southern Gothic,

PeregrineV

,

Iecerint, Pine, All is Who

Pine

(0/7) —

Iecerint

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Albert B. Rampage

Albert B. Rampage

(0/7) —

Pine

,

Nachomamma8

,

Konowa

,

All is Who

Titus

Konowa

(0/7) —

farside22

,

Southern Gothic

,

Albert B. Rampage

Andrius

(1/7)

—

FourTrouble

,

Iecerint

,

farside22,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

All is Who

(2/7)

—

Albert B. Rampage

, FourTrouble, Nachomamma8

VictorDeAngelo

(1/7)

— Albert B. Rampage,

FourTrouble

Not Voting (3/13): VictorDeAngelo, Titus, PeregrineV

With 13 players still alive, 7 votes are required for a lynch, 7 to force no lynch.

Day 1 deadline is (expired on 2015-01-12 17:00:00)

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—Announcement—

I also fixed the last couple of vote counts because I realized that I did not substitute some replacement names correctly. Everything should be right now. If this vote count does not show you voting whom you are supposed to be voting, please let me know so I can fix it.

There is exactly one wagon here that isn't terrible.

4 Trouble is scum, motivated solely by the thought "How do I survive this?"

I would be willing to vote anyone who has voted andy on the grounds that they voted andy.

[All is Who]

I just got off a 13 hour shift, I'm in a shit ton of pain, I'm bleeding from places I shouldn't be bleeding, and now I'm drinking until I can't stand up, but here's the rub.

An andy lynch is only marginally better than lynching us, and a no lynch is better than lynching andy. I will tell you why tomorrow, but voting him (or us) is legitimately grounds in my eyes to scumread you. Drop it, or face a noose.

[p]666[/p] is a good reason for lynching 4 and a good reason against lynching Andy. Further, looking at the wagon:

FourTrouble (5/7) —

farside22

, Andrius, Southern Gothic,

PeregrineV

, Iecerint, Pine, All is Who

The person on that wagon I'm least sure of is Iec. And he's been acting pretty town. Scum have had the opportunity to pile on, but instead, we keep seeing little vanity wagons that don't actually have reasoning behind them, like Vic and me. What that tells me is either that 4 is scum and his buddies are bussing, or 4 is town and the scumteam is in the fairly universal townreads or the people no one's looking at. I find option #1 far more likely.

None of the other wagons have a hint of legitimacy. The slow build of this wagon leaves me feeling good about the flip, and the resistance is all pretty terrible.

On a non game related note, Andy, I've been enjoying playing with you and I'd like it if you stuck around. I can certainly understand if RL gets in the way, though.

~Belisarius

[All is Who]

I do not like an FT lynch until Pine cops him. If Pine gets a guilty, I will move. He's a day cop so I don't see why a result has not occurred.

Pine is not a daycop.

If Pine were a daycop, he would not have unvoted ABR, who he claimed to have a guilty on. Obv fakeclaim is obv. He's still probably town though.

~Bert

PEdit: Stupid ninjas.

[All is Who]

I'm not doing the silly crumbing targets thing because I'm not going to look at my role PM to figure out letters or anything. And I think it's dumb.

If I have targets, you can go ahead and work them out based on my behavior in thread. If I don't have targets it's a goddamned waste of time, and the process of thinking up realistic targets would take too much effort. I'm not scum this game, so I don't care to exercise my scum talents.

~BooKitty.

[All is Who]

V/LA for the Jingle head of this hydra until Monday.

[All is Who]

Hey, so, I'm kinda sorta read up and all, (I'm not really, but there's some really stupid things I need to address,) and I have to say I have no problem with SG's claim. The original one (food the tracker) seems like mollie to me. Second, our role is Food

I Can't Believe It's Not a Role Name!

, so...

The part after Food is nonstandard, but then again I have a nonstandard role, so that's all null as fuck.

Honestly, the slip thing is dumb. Probably came from town, but dumb.

There cannot be this much power in the town without like a four man scumteam or something. Thus, I think it's best to get a hard counterclaim from an investigative if there is one, and

Goddammit. I just realized that SG is dead and this is a waste of time.

Go back to running around with your heads chopped off. If you're lucky I'll look at this before I'm off V/LA tomorrow, but no promises.

~Catbug

[All is Who]

Vote: Southern Gothic

Disappointed in the lack of Who so far this day. Bit disappointed with Titus and PV as well. Is it worth waiting for Who?

Also, it's pretty bad form to lynch while someone is away on V/LA. Just Saying.

[All is Who]

Who's claim gives me bad vibes...

Titus, <3 But... You're gonna lynch me about 3 days after hell freezes over, so, good luck with that. I'd suggest shooting me, it's far easier.

~Chevre

[All is Who]

I, at least, was unaware of the V/LA.
Hydra hammered itself.

And yeah, that's why I'm not raging and ranting.

But seriously, I won a game as scum because the town had hammered before I got on on three consecutive days. Stahpit.

[All is Who]

I think you're trying a little too hard to be clever there, also, I'd like it known that I think tomorrow is the day for massclaims.

[All is Who]

1st, there is a janitor (or some reason the flips aren't happening fully.)

Pine was not VT, he was a mason bodyguard. As a result, there's a really good chance that Andy is town.

I'll give you three guesses as to what I am.

[All is Who]

Andy, I don't care if you claim. Everyone else, I want claims. Preferably, we start with the people who have not softed anything and then move to the people who have.

I can dig up the posts where we softed. I'm probably dying tonight.

[All is Who]

The PT is only open during the night.

Oh hey, Scum probably don't have daychat. That's something else I should mention.

[All is Who]

btw, the reason Pine did a 180 on Andy is that I pointed out where he softclaimed.

God, I wish I would have been the one shot and Pine would have had to explain this shit.

[All is Who]

Yeah, uh-huh, sure.

Pine swore up and down that you're town, but I'm reserving the right to be paranoid as fuck.

You can go last of the people not softclaiming though, if it makes you feel better.

[All is Who]

People who have not fullclaimed, in my preferred order of claims.

III. PeregrineV
VII. VictorDeAngelo
VIII. Albert B. Rampage
V. farside22
IX. Iecerint

[All is Who]

We share a bodyguard, we can't both use it on the same night.

Also we couldn't bodyguard each other so we took turns on Andy because softclaim D1.

[All is Who]

there's a flavor reason that I can share once everyone is done claiming.

[All is Who]

I have no idea where that came from.

Was that a scumclaim?

[All is Who]

Fair. There was a ridiculous chance that the game was stupid broken in town's favor when I saw my role PM to be fair. To the point where I was half expecting a 4 man scumteam.

But just giving up like that...

C'mon, ABR, where's your sense of struggle?

[All is Who]

VOTE: ABR

[All is Who]

Sad. I hope we can be scum together in the future and I can change your mind.

[All is Who]

Oh, I didn't full claim. If my bodyguard hit then it killed the scum making the kill.

[All is Who]

yeah.

[All is Who]

Most of the posts this game have been Jingle. Who is lurking in our PT somewhere, but he signed all of his posts and they all had names that didn't fit my pattern.

[All is Who]

Oh, btw, Andy, I'm told you're a Spokanite as well. I'm glad I got to play a game with you and I hope we can do it again sometime!

[All is Who]

lol@icey

GODFUCKINGDAMMIT

I was doing so well this game too.

Fuck.

[All is Who]

I wanna point out that SG had me snowed and I would have shouted down their lynch in the thread had I gotten here earlier.