Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: d3x

In other news this:

hi guys

I may or may not be doing a ffery impression

...is scum posting uncomfortably during RVS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TunnelMates

/sigh...too easy

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It's a d3x thang

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can kthx explain how kthx thinks that is scum posting "uncomfortably"?

Sure. RVS equals silly time. Scum, imo, have a harder time with RVS because they care how they will look as RVS often spurs a nice and full wagon. TM not only looks uncomfortable with joining in the silliness by testing the waters ("I may or may not..."), but he also does not lay down the standard random vote. I can't see a reason for not random voting when it's early unless you just don't wanna be tied down to a vote of any kind. I'm not saying it's an obv-scum tell either, so...in before anyone comes back at me with that non-sense. It's just an early scum vibe I got. Go super gut.

Way too easy.

Do this instead.

Naw.

Well.

Okay

VOTE: hiplop

Ugh yeah what's the point of making a vote, removing it and making another vote in one post?

Ugh, yeah, there is no point....not really anyway. More of a 'must do' sort of thing.

How exactly does voting twice in one post equal any sort of scum tell?

Unless you were RVS'ing while trying to justify the RVS vote just in case a wagon on kthx took off....I can see scum motivation for that...

I see only the Hiplop wagon. It's and RVS wagon so nothing there now.

Then you are a blind man or trying to distract anyone else jumping on your scum buddy TM.

I'm scumreading nacho

Wow, way to ignore 2 legit votes on you. You didn't even acknowledge them in any way. More scum points.
Sorry d3x...
VOTE: TunnelMates

Kthxbye - How was TunnelMates scumposting at all? (Unless you're joking, of course).

It's not scumposting. It's scum posting uncomfortably. As in, TM is scum and he posted in a way that read like he was uncomfortable.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

serenade me

Oh, so you're called out for being shy about RVS and then go and join in to fit in....too late scum.

More votes TM.

What's scum motivation for making two votes in one post?

I like Ansuz. Great minds and all that.

PS. ZOMG! I voted twice in one post....AGAIN!!!

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Holy crap.

Vote: kthxbye

Scum caught.

oooh, pls oh pls point out each scum tell you found!

no, really.....

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listen to TM, he knows....like for sure.

buddying doth worketh on me.

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we better dayvig him

If you had the dayvig power, would you use it on me?

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Holy crap.

Vote: kthxbye

Scum caught.

oooh, pls oh pls point out each scum tell you found!

no, really.....

Scum reaction. Look at that discredit.

Actually, avoiding answering the question is a scum reaction. Asking you the question was a town tell. You have it backwards...

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so....point out the scum points in my post you thought was scummy. should be easy since I am caught scum from the post.

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VOTE: vote konowa

Because my randomness said so.

Dislike konowa referring to themselves in the 3rd person, but happy enough with their posts so far

So you have enough so far to develop some reads yet....you keep your random vote on someone you are happy enough with?

Why didn't you unvote someone you're happy enough with and vote for...say...someone that "seems defensive" or a hydra that has "So much posts. So little content"?

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back off kthnx, Bone, he always is like this.

Hiya UT, Bone still needs to explain his vote on me for my post. I will not let it go as not explaining things is scummy to me.....especially when he goes from 'kthx is caught scum' to 'I agree with caught scum and will follow with a vote because I agree so much with caught scum'.

Can't have it both ways and I want it explained.

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@TM: You still have NOT addressed my vote on you and the reasons behind it. Explain to me your town motivation for ignoring me along with the town motivation behind the things I called scummy.

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Also, a reads list so far would be nice....(since you can't be bothered to produce readable content on your own).

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Would love to just say "yay! The bone side of OP backed off", but alas, I'm more interested in your thought process and what you saw so I can read YOU better. It's part of my process, so, I couldn't care less HOW you see me but rather WHY you see me that way. IE, I need to know how you think so I can compare it to later posts from you.

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Sometimes, the other player's silence says a lot more. Basically a few comments rubbed me the wrong way, your comments about RVS being those that were scummy to me.

Fair enough I suppose.

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Okay, well

UNVOTE
VOTE: LYNX

Everything has already been said...

WTF is this and why is nobody on your shit about it?

VOTE: HighShroomish

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Did you forget my vote was from a while ago? What's wrong with me waiting for other's reactions before making my choice final?

Many have reads and don't vote for them. I can't live my life in a way that makes you happy.

So, are you saying my reasons for finding them scummy aren't legit? Humor me.

If someone is 4th on your list of scum, what does it matter? You didn't unvote the 4th on your list. That's not logical. I find your carefulness with your vote scummy.

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Burning Earth reads town to me.

d3x, surprisingly, is reading town to me atm.

I don't like Tunnel, but I think it's posting style atm more than scummy.

HighShroomish is top scum on my radar.

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yup are right. Sorry. Kthxbye didn't vote for me, just raised strong scum. Suspicions...

Um....I raised strong scum suspicions?

VOTE: vote konowa

Because my randomness said so.

Dislike konowa referring to themselves in the 3rd person, but happy enough with their posts so far

So you have enough so far to develop some reads yet....you keep your random vote on someone you are happy enough with?

Why didn't you unvote someone you're happy enough with and vote for...say...someone that "seems defensive" or a hydra that has "So much posts. So little content"?

^That is simply asking you to explain yourself....

Where do you get strong scum suspicions? Should I have strong scum suspicions from your posting?

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I don't like Tunnel, but I think it's posting style atm more than scummy.

HighShroomish is top scum on my radar.

Add geraintm to scum list for being super over defensive for no reason I can see. Could be knee jerk town, but the only reason I can think that he saw my above post as "strong scum suspicion" is if he is scum and thought I caught him in something more than simply asking for an explaination.

I don't like Lynx reading 4 people scummier than his d3x vote, then when called out on it, makes excuses about 'not playing like others want him to play'. He was quick enough to vote d3x for....I don't really know. THEN, he votes his 4th scummiest read leaving 3 above that vote.

I don't like hiplop for lurking so and when he does posts, he explains nothing and posts no content.

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The above are D1 lynchables for me. Even if TM goes, it's not a loss as they are pretty much just trolling at this point.

I'd like to ask everyone:
Out of the list of TM, HS, geraintm, Lynx, and hiplop; Who would you be willing to vote (can be more than 1) and which do you think is most likely to flip scum and why?

For example: I am willing to lynch the above today. I think HS is most likely to flip scum due to super lurking activity and not explaining in his own words why everything that's already been said makes sense to him.

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Sigh, you guys probably won't like this, but while writing this, I went and looked at HS's latest finished game where he was town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58399
Part of me wants to keep pushing for votes on him to make him active. Sadly, I can't as his lack of anything this game matches the above linked town game.

@ HS:

Be worth something. Your current style of play is lazy and crap.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lynx

Spoiler: Current VC

gameplay506 (3): Konowa, d3x, LynxKuroneko
LynxKuroneko (3): HighShroomish, gameplay506, kthxbye
geraintm (2): Osseus pseudotripodis, Ansuz
hiplop (1): Burning_Earth
TunnelMates (1): Mantisdreamz
HighShroomish (1): hiplop
Ansuz (1): geraintm

Not Voting (2): TunnelMates

I have a town read on d3x and Konowa and I would just love to get a wagon above 3 right now, but alas, I'm just not reading gameplay as scummy right now. That and Lynx is on the wagon while having HS, BE, and TM as scummier.

@ Lynx:

You defended not moving your vote from 5th scum on your list with...

waiting for other's reactions before making my choice final

26 posts later you say...

Finally, people are starting to makes some sense.

Which of the 26 posts met your "waiting for other's reactions" criteria that allowed you (according to your self explained play style) 'make your choice final' by switching to gameplay?

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@ TM:

First off, could you guys pls sign posts if you are going to insist on 'chatting' in here instead of a private thread?

Vote nacho if u don't trust him, he hasn't given us ansuhz yett

For what question are you awaiting "ansuhz"?

mantis

d3x

hiplop

Assuming this is the head that reads Nacho as scum for being Nacho, why is Nacho not on the list? Are you reading mantis as scum due to 'occam's razor'? Why are you scum reading d3x? Is hiplop still gut?

Sorry for the wall y'all....

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we're on page 9 that sprang up while im sick! give me a break kthxbai

why so anti-lurker?

Let's not worry about what page we are on or why I'm anti-lurker. There are a shit ton of things you need to address and address sooner than later.

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Things since my last post:

Ok, lynx looks town. Like second-guessish me in my first game town. His reads list etc shows he is trying.

Kthnxbye targets hiplop for lurking while sick not me for lurking while sick

Will get to the first part of this quote below. As for the second, for some reason I had you as leaning town. Went back and ISO'ed and I'll be damned, I can't find anything that would make me lean that way. Thanks for pointing it out.

Now, as for the first part......

Right after the above post, Lynx's post all a sudden look like this:

@ MantisDreamz - This is my first game - ever -. I'm playing in a way that I feel works for me. Make what you guys want of it. We'll see what happens, won't we?

That's fine with me. I have to learn some how. Like I said, I'm playing the way I feel works for me. Don't expect someone to play flawlessly (or by your standards) on their first game.

I've already been called a Sheep, terrible player (in many ways) and whatnot. What have I to lose at this point?

Sorry for spilling noob everywhere

All I see is 'lynx is noob and trying...' followed by, 'I'm noob, I'm noob, I'm noob'. Specifically, p251 is so full of AtE that I threw up a little bit in my mouth.
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If gameplay506 really is town, gameplay506 is doing an awful job of it.

I agree, yet I don't. I'm not scum reading him. It might be because I play similarly as suspected town on D1. Either way, I don't want to lynch him today. There are other ways to sort him out.

Also I am pretty sure all scum are on my wagon.

My guess is this isn't true. Logically it's not sound. I'm also town reading 3 of the 5.
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Ok, I'm going to appeal to OP and d3x and Konowa. Let gameplay be sorted out later. I see your cases, I see your reasoning, and I understand where you are coming from. That said, I see his give-a-shit meter being that of a townie, not of scum (it is very similar to how I can get D1 when I'm suspected and town). I also don't like the connection between BE and Lynx above who are both on GP's wagon. I also don't like HS's active lurking with no content. I also don't like hiplop's active lurking. I also dislike ger's lack of activity.

I still like my vote. Willing to move it, but not to gameplay.

That is all.

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Talk to Konowa about mantizdreamz

I like her BE read? Other than that, she's been pretty quiet, but nothing is popping out scum to me.

Want a full claim? Kk.
I am Town Renevant. Once somebody tries to kill me, I am told and I won't die until the end of the same die. In the end of the day I die. Happy?
Scum *pf*

Claim is not full. What ruin are you and what do you rep?

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@Konawa: More on Mantis. The only thing I could see as suspicious is her not jumping onto gameplay. The 2 things wrong with that suspicion is I am not jumping on either AND you'd have to believe gameplay is town for it to be suspicious from your POV.

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OP: IF the claim was true, would it be bad for town? Also, it's not exactly a BP claim, more like vengful townie + cop or something.

Trust me, we should NOT be lynching gameplay today. Not with that claim.

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Also, it's not exactly a BP claim, more like vengful townie + cop or something.

It reads like he's told that he was shot, not who shot him. Also, there's something like a 0% chance that he's getting DayKilled. I don't believe him anyway. Moar Votes, pl0x.

...Oh.... Yeah, I read that completely wrong then. See below...

I am not told who shot me. I am told I was shot. Then instead of dying right away during the night, I die in the end of the day. Simple as that. It isn't actually a safe scum claim cus if someone really hits me I will obviously die. So. Yeah push me more scums.

waaaay less cool than I thought....

I still don't think he's scum. He's not flailing..... He's also not doing much to help find the scum on his wagon, building cases on them, and letting us know why they are scum and why we should look at them tomorrow after he flips so..... w/e

Still like my vote better.

Konowa, OP, TM and dex: No other thoughts about my p315? Namely the Lynx/BE connection part...

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I told you go ahead and lynch. Then look at the mad pushes on my wagon. Lynch scum. GG

WHICH FUCKING PUSHES?
Kinda hard to look at them to find scum when you act like this and get people (like me) to start scum reading you due to you acting scummy by not trying....at all.

If you're town, don't fucking cop out with that bullshit or I'll vote you myself.

If you're town, from what it looks like, you get to play this particular game for ONE DAY. Why do you insist on posting and acting against your wincon by telling the rest of us to do the work after your flip?

Basically, I didn't read you as scummy till you got run up to L-2 and started putting in zero effort. Wanna know what it looks like when someone claims to be town and then doesn't act town because they are getting run up? Looks like scum that sees death and has zero reason to put together scum hunting posts because they already know who's town and scum.

If you town, get off your ass and analyse you wagon and do your job as town and play to your WINCON for the short amount of time you get to play.

Having a low give a shit attitude is town to a point. You are crossing said point.

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@gameplay....

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gameplay506 (5): Konowa, d3x, LynxKuroneko, Osseus pseudotripodis, Burning_Earth

/sigh...gonna go ahead and do games job for him....

Konowa and d3x I have a hard town read on.

Konowa due to his posting and post restriction.

d3x, because I know him. I'd LOVE to make sure mind you....but right now I town read him hard. It scares me, but he's not on the lynch table today. If I'm alive tomorrow, he's not on the table then either. Scum-d3x will try and kill me. Other reasons I'd die of course (like the fact that I'm so fucking town it sicken's even me), but yeah, d3x is town. I'm drunk and d3x is town. Man, d3x, I hope you're town.........

That leaves OP, Lynx, and BE.

Kk go all on me. Waiting to be put on L-1. Once that happens you may start believing me.

I take your threat and raise you a...

Vote: gameplay506

lol guys we'll be sorry

Finally, people are starting to makes some sense. Gameplay, you seem to have developed a hint of panic, which quite honestly isn't a surprise. While I'm not a fan of HighShroomish, your reaction says quite enough.

Vote: gameplay506

If the other townies feel that HighShroomish (or anyone else on my scum radar) are stronger reads at this point, then we shall discuss why and vote accordingly.

Gameplay is bluffing VOTE: Gameplay

Now, keep in mind I'm buying the gameplay claim even though he's worthless as town.

OP's vote says town to me. OP's other postings also say town. OP is off the table today for me.

Lynx's vote is fucking stale with nothing of note added to the reasoning behind the vote.

If gameplay506 is town; assuming his next two votes are scum.
If gameplay506 is scum; assuming his next two votes are town.

This just screams manipulation. ISO 31 through 36 are fluffy bullshit. Noob or not, Lynx is scum. I have a good feeling BE is partner.

I want Lynx's head today.

That is all.

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VOTE: HighShroomish

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@ Kthxbye - Sorry, you're not getting my head today. I doubt you would want to lose a fellow town mate.

Lynx, explain this quote.

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For the rest of you, I have major issues voting Lynx when his wagon is: HighShroomish, gameplay506, hiplop

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Like, everything Lynx posts makes me think scum...then he has the scummiest (minus gameplay who's just worthless imo) players voting him....I'm confused...

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Oh, and for those not voting hiplop right now. Check out his posting in other games compared to this game and tell me something isn't different. He is active on site yet lurking hard core in this game. Does not sit well with me and, to me at least, points to him hiding in this game. Why hide? Well, if you're scum and don't post much, it's kinda hard to get scum read unless there's a lurker hunt.

Let the hunt begin and vote this scum.

Post Edit: No, gameplay, you are worthless. You aren't doing ANYTHING that remotely resembles town play. Your PR is ONLY good if scum want to NK...why the fuck would they NK a town who's doing nothing productive for town? Why do you think people want your reads in the first fucking place?! If you're town, you are wasted town space in this game and it's pathetic you don't see it.

The only alignment that get's posting restrictions is scum? Are you kidding me right now? Stop trolling.

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hiplop (6): d3x, Mantisdreamz, Burning_Earth, LynxKuroneko, OP, TM

Funny story, I meant to put HighShroomish not Hiplop in my p504. I think it's funny that nobody caught that.

hiplop is at L-1 indeed and I don't like that BE and Lynx are both on that wagon with

We c an lynch hip if you guys want yeah let's do that VOTE: Vote hiplop

and

Curious to see where this goes.

Vote: hiplop

@hiplop:

you may want to claim. I almost hammered you for the shit of it and I'm town. If you're town, I can imagine scum doing the same...cept they'd benefit.

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/sigh....

I doubt hiplop will flip anything but VT. Far too many scummy players on his wagon.

@d3x:

End of D1 suspicion has come. I don't understand why you were for this lynch over some of the players on it. I wish I could trust you. I MUST know your alignment damnit. Maybe scum will target you tonight. Maybe they'll target me. Either way, it won't eat a hole in my stomach if I can know. Crossing fingers that your alignment becomes clear and we are on the same team. We should come up with some in game signal or something. I MUST KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND IT'S KILLING ME!

How bout this, just tell me what side you're on. I'll take it at face value...

@hiplop:

How bout some reads numbskull? Who do we go after tomorrow and why? Quickly before twilight is over.

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hiplop (7): d3x, Mantisdreamz, Burning_Earth, Osseus pseudotripodis, TunnelMates, Ansuz, LynxKuroneko

[Kthxbye]

and why?

and why?

and why?

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Vote:Mantis

Blindly sheeping this awesome awesome guy. (would still love to know the reasoning for it though...)

VOTE: Mantis

....sorry Mantis. I still <3 you

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Really? Are people blind to Osseus vs Lynx?

No, just not quite....silly....enough to say things like:

Osseus vs Lynx is definately not town vs town

You do understand that with your claim, ^that is impossible for you to know.

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Osseus vs Lynx is definately not town vs town

^Not an expression of thought. That is stating something as though it's fact.

I'm not talking anymore about it (as it has nothing to do with the game), but you need to understand that just because 2 people argue, doesn't mean one of them must be scum. It's....silly....to assume so.

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Ok osseuos , Lynx, BE. Decide people. I want them dead/

Just because a majority are town reading you even though you try try try so hard to look scummy, doesn't make you leader....of anything. Mostly just someone we are stuck with.

Want people to follow you to anything? Try writing a nice case on 1 or all of those you think are scum and convince. Stop posting shit like p715.

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So Konowa is being lazy and likes either Ansuz or HighShroomish votes since Konowa thinks the likelihood of Ansuz and HighShroomish being scum together is high.

Vote: Ansuz

For posterity, building on Tunnel's earlier post about Ansuz, distinction between hiplop and HighShroomish equals a big fat zero.

I like your thoughts, but due to geraintm being on the Ansuz wagon, I'll have no part. HS on the other hand is a wonderful D2 lynch idea.

VOTE: HighShroomish

Sorry d3x, not seeing the Mantis scum. Seeing the Mantis lazy, but not the scum. You may convince me otherwise at anytime if you wish....I'm all ears

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Sigh, you guys probably won't like this, but while writing this, I went and looked at HS's latest finished game where he was town.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58399
Part of me wants to keep pushing for votes on him to make him active. Sadly, I can't as his lack of anything this game matches the above linked town game.

/sigh....forgot I already researched him and still think ^that after a 2nd look.

VOTE: geraintm

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Most people I actually lean town to be honest.

I don't see how town aligned person could think this. Seems like a cop-out to avoid reads or even better (for scum), not wanting to actually pretend to try and scum hunt as scum-him would know alignments already.

Yup, this is a much better vote and you all should follow suit.

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Do you think I am scummy or something?

...duh?...

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Do you think I am scummy or something?

...duh?...

But if that is the case, why isn't he voting for me?

Sigh, you guys probably won't like this, but while writing this, I went and looked at HS's latest finished game where he was town.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58399
Part of me wants to keep pushing for votes on him to make him active. Sadly, I can't as his lack of anything this game matches the above linked town game.

/sigh....forgot I already researched him and still think ^that after a 2nd look.

VOTE: geraintm

Nice try.

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Guess what alignment geraintm is....

HINT: Rhymes with gum.

[Kthxbye]

I am a one shot vig (with a few extra caveats to it).

Interesting enough to

UNVOTE:

@Kthx... I'm waiting...

Ugh, guess I'll waste time with this for you since you're so awesomely town but you sadly don't know that about me. (PS, not a cop)

Which of Konowa's thoughts exactly do you like?

There is nothing super specific that I'm talking about. I like his HS read as it matches mine, but it's mostly his way of posting and where his mindset is during most his posts. They read genuine.

I'm going to go ahead and say it. I'm a hider. I hid behind d3x last night and didn't die, thus my change of paranoia to confirmed town today. I'm kinda surprised nobody caught onto that and then asked about it but w/e.

So, here is where I'm at:

I

'm town.

Konowa

has an obv posting restriction and reads genuine.

d3x

is confirmed town.

geraintm

....I kinda believe the claim. Doesn't confirm him as town, but I'm leaning that way on him due to the claim.

gameplay

has claimed something believable and provable. His play reads scummy, which is all the more reason for scum to want to leave him alive to end game. I'll be hiding behind him tonight to prove his alignment. If I die and he claims to have been shot and will die at the end of the day, yay for town. It means I directed the scum's NK and they took out a scummy town. If he doesn't die at the end of the day, d4 lynch is easy and confirmed scum. If I don't die, he's confirmed town and scum decided to shoot someone else. win/win/win if you ask me.

That leaves: Ansuz, HighShroomish, Osseus pseudotripodis, Mantisdreamz, TunnelMates, Burning_Earth, and LynxKuroneko for those on the table for me today. I'm of the opinion that I'm correct on the above list and those are town. Thus, 3 scum are in this list. that's just under a 50% chance of hitting scum today.

Most scummy on that list above (imo) are HS, TM, BE, and Lynx.

Are there any other claims out there that I'm missing from the list of those still on the table for me today? I am out of time for now and can't look.

Right now, I want one of ozzy. Or Ansuz lynched today and I will use my vig on the other one.

What are peoples thoughts on ^this?

@Ansuz: why did you ignore ^that? If geraintm is town and a vig, this kinda means you are dead tonight..... I'd also like to note you DIDN'T vote for Ozzy nor can I find any posts from you where you talk to them directly....

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@Kthx....d3x confirmed town...?

I am not dead so yes

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Konowa thinks that kthxbye should also consider hiding behind geraintm depending on replacement of gameplay506 slot.

Naw. I had thought about that, but I want a positive long before endgame on gameplay. I like that it forces scum to hit him if he's town and outs him if he's scum. I also like that if he's town and scum doesn't hit him, it clears him and I get to live. All good things from targeting him.

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Hi Josh, die now

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wanted to gather thoughts thor.

welcome btw.

Sheep d3x, he's town. I confirmed him even if I was lying scum....unless we are both scum and are gambiting....

Anyway, read post 841 and go from there.

There was no nk last night presumably because I was targeted and am a hider. That's what I assume anyway.

VOTE: Josh_B

Could swing to BE as well. Pretty worthless and scummy.

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Hi Josh, die now

You die now, you dirty avatar thief.

I'm sorry, look at your join date. Now look at mine. Now look back out yours. Now look at mine. Now back to yours, now back to mine. Sadly, yours isn't mine. But if you stopped using ladies scented body wash.............

No.....

Still wouldn't be anywhere close to mine. Your the avatar thief and the scum this game to boot.

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@Kthx- Did you Crumb? Are you Compulsive? Why have you not even mentioned my case on Mantis? Why didn't you do the VCA that you

always

do? Why are you assuming that you were shot at Last Night? Why on earth did you Claim? Why did it surprise you that no one mentioned your 'flip' in regards to me? Why do you think it's a 'waste of time' to answer my questions? Why are you back to HS/Josh being Scum in spite of this?

Hi Thor! Been a while

[welcome]Josh[/welcome]

Crumb: 633
No
Not feeling the case at the moment.
Haven't gotten around to it.
There was no and I hid behind you duh.
Reasons.
To me it was obvious yet nobody mentioned it.
Cuz I'm town and I know you're town thus you asking me questions is not finding scum (though to be fair, I fail to keep in mind that YOU don't know that.)
I keep forgetting.

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VOTE: BE

@d3x:

Do you agree with my reasoning for planning to hide behind Thor tonight? Is there someone better to clear now that Thor replaced gameplay and is looking far more town than gameplay ever did? (at least he is to me).

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hi baby dex btw

^This is a super low buddy tactic if Mantis is scum...

I don't think scum-Mantis would stoop to that level. I could be wrong though, but I don't think I am.

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Do you have this game on your subcription list?

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If I can dodge a prod, I can dodge a ball.

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So I has one goal, and that's to have someone hang today. I'll be honest (cuz I'm kinda drunk) and say I really don't care who it is aside from d3x (cuz, well, he's confirmed town). Anyone else can swing. Hell, more honesty says I'll prolly just sheep d3x so I the wagon can be analysed tomorrow with 2 confirmed town on it. I have no pipe dreams that because I'm sheeping Thor (I don't trust that slot due to predecessor), that I'll be alive tomorrow, but I'm okay with that (see previous posts).

So, the long and short of it is, you all will know Thor's alignment one way or another in time to act on it, I've confirmed 1 player that will most likely live through the night because of it, and it's up to y'all not to fuck this up. Good day sirs (and ma'am coughmantiscough).

confirm vote:

VOTE: BE

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We still have 3ish days. If anyone can think of a good enough reason that I should hide behind someone else, I'm all ears. Kinda sucks being a hider tbh. I have to let y'all know one way or another who I'm hiding behind so you have the info in case I hide behind scum. This gives scum info on who to kill. Keep these 'duhs' in mind when suggesting someone else for me to hide behind...as you will get them killed if they are town (most likely) and it will be our last investigate (most likely) cuz I'm dumb and outed myself for prolly no real reason. /sigh.....

Oh, and full reads lists and claims from the top 2 wagons. Choices are going to be made soon so might as well get this shit over with so we have time to debate the info. PEACE OUT!

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@Kthx- I'm not sure why you would choose Thor over someone that's high on your ScumList. Verifying Town is fine, but eliminating Scum {or clearing them} is optimal, imo. A Cop result on Town is decent, but a Cop result on Scum is freaking awesome. Think of it this way, if you Hide behind Scum and die, you've outted Scum, proven your Claim, and thus 100% cleared me. If you Hide behind a Scum suspect and live, you've cleared an easy MisLynch for us. If the Scum Team then decides to off them b/c they're cleared... well, easy MisLynches usually aren't that helpful anyway. And you're still around.

I'm town reading Thor atm. That combined with ^that.... I think Lynx is the more a scum suspect flying under the radar. I'll hide behind him tonight me thinks. That's assuming of course that we aren't stupid today and we lynch BE. I'll hide behind BE if he isn't lynched today.

recap:
If we lynch BE, I hide behind Lynx.
If we lynch *other*, I'll hide behind BE.

If I'm dead tomorrow and either isn't, they are scum.
If I'm alive tomorrow, then they are cleared town and scum did something weird at night.
If we both die, meh, one worthless/easy mislynch townie out the way and d3x is still cleared.

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Thor: Delayed death
Me: Hider

Am I missing any claims?

Does BE or Ansuz not feel any need to claim? Hint: BE and/or Ansuz should claim now seeing as we are nearing deadline and one of them is most likely getting lynched today.....

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I'm town reading Thor due to history.

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If so, why out who you're hiding behind and give scum a chance at killing two townies?

Because if I DON'T tell you who I'm hiding behind and that person is scum, how the hell would you know who to lynch the next day??? Yeah, it's bad news if I hide behind a townie and scum kills said townie, but if it's a townie who's suspect and an easy mis-lynch, then it's still not so bad.

Lynx's whole p1127 after me saying I'd hide behind him just screams scum saying, 'don't hide behind me as I'm scum and I'll get caught'.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lynx

Konowa agreeing with the poor logic in the very next post makes me like Konowa as town a shit ton less.

Thor handling me saying I was going to hide behind him and make him a scum target and p1129 gives me more town vibes.

I'll be hiding behind Lynx if we don't flip the wagon and lynch him today.

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Kthx, d3x, a summary of what I need to know is nice.

I believe Konowa is town. His post restriction, his wanting me to hide behind him, his posting (thoughts), all read town to me. There are a few things here and there that give me pause, but he's not today's lynch regardless. I may end up hiding behind him yet...I dunno.

I'm town reading Thor even though I think he's off base with Konowa. Add in the claim, and I'm leaving him alone for a bit.

d3x is conf town.

geraintm is town till there's no vig shot tonight. (geraintm, pls shoot the shit out of Josh or Ansuz as they are worthless and I'm not hiding behind them tonight)

Mantis, you, TM, Josh, Ansuz...all null leaning scum at times, town at others.

BE...leaning town, but recent posts/claim have made me have doubts.

Lynx should be today's lynch. It really seemed like he doesn't want me to hide behind him tonight if we lynched BE. He tried to sugar coat it, but I'm seeing more fear of getting outed than any real strategic thought. This is where your vote should go today.

I think that's it, but I'm drinking and not really wanting to spend more time on this post.

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@Thor: we will test Konowa tomorrow. If he 'slips' again, I'm totally with you and he will be lynched. Today I still read it as an actual slip. Shit happens. Either way, I don't wanna lynch him today.

@d3x: I know you reposted a post when I asked earlier, but if you were God for tonight, who would you have me hide behind? Who do you think is most needing cleared/caught? You're my only sure bet, so I want to hear your thoughts. I know you will anyway, but take into account that if I hide behind town, we will prolly both die most likely. So weigh into your thoughts the one who wouldn't be missed, would be an easy mis-lynch anyway, who would be best to force scum to kill, etc.

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d3x: No matter what, today you and I need to be on the same wagon for VCA purposes.

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I think Lynx is just super easy MisLynch fodder.

I disagree due to his reaction about me hiding behind him. I will follow you to Josh, but mostly for VCA purposes. I'll be hiding being Lynx tonight for sure though. Would rather easy mis-lynch fodder (if that is indeed what he is) be moved out the way by scum than to be mislynched later. I agree with your hiding behind Thor thoughts as they match my own.

VOTE: Josh

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Oh, and yeah, vig should shoot BE.

If we are swinging to Josh, a claim should be had from Josh. We are getting down to the wire even with the extension.

Josh_B (3): LynxKuroneko, d3x, Kthxbye
Ansuz (3): Mantisdreamz, geraintm, Burning_Earth
Burning_Earth (2): Ansuz, Josh_B
LynxKuroneko (2): TunnelMates, Osseus pseudotripodis
Konowa (2): Konowa, Thor665

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The hiding behind Thor thought is silly - the mod has as much as said that you would die, and I am told by the mod when I have been killed over night.

...yeah, that's what we just said...

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Given the paranoia Konowa has seen between d3x and kthxbye in a few games now, Konowa could see a hider kthxbye hiding behind d3x D1 to clear that paranoia.

so much this d3x...soooooo much this.

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This is horrible. If you think Lynx is mislynch fodder, we should just lynch burning earth. Can you point me back to why you thought Mantis was scum in the first place?

Too bad it doesn't matter how horrible or not it is. d3x is town. The end. Why waste your time with this?

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yeah, I'm good with my vote and am planning on hiding behind lynx to confirm him scum or both of us town (if scum choose to kill him). There is also the idea of a scum RB that popped into my head, but meh...

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I think geraintm is town.

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Well Lynx, you just made me think you may be town after all after ^that.

Guess that means Mantis should be cleared or condemned. Too quiet girlfriend and it's making me paranoid. I shall confirm you if you are town or condemn you with my death and not yours. Not like you are posting much in this game anyway...

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if ger is shooting OP and we are lynching Josh, BE needs sorted out over anyone else.

I'll hide behind BE. final answer?

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confirming hiding behind BE.

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Josh_B

(7): LynxKuroneko,

d3x

,

Kthxbye

,

Thor665

,

Mantisdreamz

, Osseus pseudotripodis,

geraintm

Burning_Earth (2): Ansuz,

Josh_B

Ansuz (1): Burning_Earth
LynxKuroneko (1): TunnelMates

Not Voting (0):

Konowa

(lost vote)

Ha! Eat a dick scum. I'm not dead and I'm betting you thought I should be.

VOTE: BE

In before wifom starts. I’m an odd night hider. I didn’t say as much for obvious reasons. The fact that scum didn’t target BE last night to try and take out 2 town means BE is scum. I see no way around this….at all. There is no reason scum wouldn’t target BE unless BE is in fact scum.
Add confirmed town d3x and the knowledge that I’m town, VCA says one of TM, Ansuz, Lynx, Thor, Konowa, or OP is remaining.

I think Thor is town and I think we'll know soon enough based on hist post.
I think Konowa is town due to p1393. If he was scum, he wouldn't mention any paranoia of me because he would have expected me to die behind BE and would have avoided the topic all together (imo).

My personal opinion is that the last scum ended up bussing Josh. My money is on Lynx, but I could see it being OP too. Either way, BE is scum and today’s lynch. I’ll decide who I’m hiding behind later in the day. Prolly gonna be OP though.

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hmmm...I guess Thor won't be sorted out soon enough. Meh, either way, I still think he's town.

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The fact that scum didn’t target BE last night to try and take out 2 town means BE is scum.

I see no way around this….at all.

they could have thought you were bluffing like I thought may have happened, or they could have feared a protective role interfering.

bluffing while at the same time clearing d3x?

No.

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@Kthxbye -So you're a hider that won't die if you hide behind scum? While that's great for town, that also weaves a bit of distrust. Also, when did I suddenly become the suspect?

No, l2read.

You've been suspect each day. Sometimes you lean a little town, but, mostly it's VCA. Deal with it. Not like I want your head today anyway. BE is today's lynch.

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How odd are we talking, Kthxbye?

What are you talking about?

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That's all you got to add there BE?

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UNVOTE:

I'm happy with pressuring dead-weight town now.

Does this bother anyone else?

@Lynx: explain this part of your post.

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Maybe. I'm double thinking my thoughts on why BE didn't get targeted last night. I did want express wanting to know Mantis's alignment during D2. Maybe scum thought I was trying to pull a fast one on them?

Then again, why even try that if BE is town? If BE was town and I was confirming hiding behind him, if they don't target him, they leave me to confirm another player while taking out town Mantis who had some suspicions from a confirmed town player?

No, I'm right and need to not second guess myself on this.

VOTE: BE

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I think I shall confirm Lynx as town or scum tonight over anyone else. He needs to die with me (if he's town) or be confirmed scum before this goes anywhere near end game.

I have from town to scum:

d3x
Konowa
Ansuz
Thor

OP
TM

Lynx
BE

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The issue is, as currently claimed, the night actions are all still pretty screwy.

Maybe, maybe not. Ansuz (whether scum or town) claimed the shot on the vig. With ger dead, there's no telling if he shot, who he shot, and thus if it was blocked. The only way I would buy BE being town is if there is a doc and ger shot Mantis (which he never even hinted at as a possibility).

So yeah, no matter who shot who and where what went, barring a doc protect of BE claim, BE is scum. No way scum would let me confirm another town and skip the opportunity to take me out.

This day does NOT need to last more than 24 hours.

PE: yeah, what Konowa said.

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Burning_Earth (3): Kthxbye, Lynx, Konowa
Ansuz (1): Thor

Not Voting (5): TunnelMates, d3x, Ansuz, OP, BE

2 more votes on BE like sooner than later.

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IIRC, ger was only 'strongman' on N3...which he didn't make it to. He wanted to wait but wasn't going to be able to due to outing himself and being a likely target.

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Is BE lynched for being suspicious, or mostly for not dying last night?

Mostly for being worthless AND a strong side of not dying last night. Look at his 2 posts today. No content. Scum-him posted as he thought he saw a loophole then figured it out and posted 1 more time with nothing to add. Not town play from him all game, he didn't die last night, AND he's worthless even if he is somehow town (which will blow my mind).

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Would like d3x to hammer plox

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Fine.

VOTE: Konowa

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UNVOTE:

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2) If so, I'm most likely going to investigate Ansuz to secure his claim.

claiming an investigative role?

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Has anyone looked back to see if Mantis crumbed any info? I have not the time to do so atm.

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Are we testing Konowa today or not?

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Yes, d3x is 100% correct.

Quit dicking around.

It takes 5 to lynch. Lynx is the only person voting Konowa. With me and d3x holding out our votes, this should be quick.

Thor, TM, OP: Since you are all active, vote Konowa in next posts. That would put him at L-1 or if his claim is true, L-2. BE and Ansuz, could come in and try and get him lynched, but that just means scum team is found and game is over anyway (assuming true claim). Konowa can come in, vote and then unvote and this shit could be finished before bed.

Stop working against the town wincon fools.

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After we prove or disprove Konowa, BE should be lynched, I should hide behind Ansuz or OP (really the only discussion that needs to happen for today), and we can move the fuck on.

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@Kthx - please address my issue with Osseus.

Doesn't compare to BE being alive after last night in combination with his posting today.

Doesn't need addressed at this time at all.

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VOTE: BE

BE is by far the best lynch today. Unless there is a doc claiming protection on BE last night to save me if BE turned out to be town, there is no chance scum would have left me to clear a second town and left me alive to do it again N3. This isnt even taking into account that they left my already confirmed town (dex) alive on top of it. To say scum targeted someone other than town-BE or confirmed town d3x is fucking stupid.

ALSO ADD IN THE FACT that BE isnt saying shit confirms it. Scum BE is avoiding posting to avoid linking himself to his partner (assuming 3 scum team). It's simple and all other talk trying to go away from these facts is scummy to be honest.

What makes most sense? Scum assuming I'm dead by hiding behind scum-BE and going elsewhere or leaving me to confirm a town-BE and letting us make a solid town block of 3?

hiding behind OP tonight.

lynx needs to confirm thor's PR claim tonight.

barring other claims, this should lead to a scum lynch today and make for an easy town win.

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I disagree d3x. taking out 2 town over one is the better move for scum. both mantis and I could confirm things. I can confirm towniness though where mantis could only confirm PR. Konowas PR could still be scum. Thors PR could be scum (especially with 2 vig claims).

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Oh, and Kthx- F you, buddy.

<3

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/le sigh...

This.

Love that my PR was completely negated...yay.

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@Kthx- You're not off the hook just because you were redirected. You still didn't target OP.

actually, I'm completely off the hood as I'd have cleared Thor and not died at all so get off it. In fact had they NOT had a redirect, I'd have remained alive while they targeted OP thus preventing the entire issue. So yeah, I'm actually waaaaay more correct in my play than you are even close to so...

I = off any fucking hook anyone can come up with.

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It's like High School Math. You only get 1/2 credit for the right answer if your work is wrong. If your gambit had worked, it would still be the wrong play, even if we'd have won.

complete and utter dis-agreeance, period.

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If I was completely inept at playing MS, they sure, you and Thor would have a point and I'm nothing more than a role.

Thing is, I'm more than a role as in a human that can read people through their posting.

I was right and I'd argue that 90% of the time I'd be right (because I know my ability to read people). If I was wrong, sure, it'd be the "wrong play", but taking the chance (imo) is the better play so I played it correctly.

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Let's be clear here.

I hid behind Thor to survive, NOT to confirm him.

I had a hard-on of a town read on Thor thus scum wasn't going to target him. The only way I would die is if I was wrong....which I wasn't. I

It was the right play.

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Hider is an investigative role AND a self preservation role.

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Oh snap, I win.

..l..

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..l..

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oh, I mean

<3