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hmm. I had assumed that it was a joke, the first post was hardly a serious thing.
Carbon Copy is fairly obviously an experienced player faking it. The few newbs there are don't post like that. The moods there, but not the words.
And zindie, it can't be someone outside the playerlist. Strange suburbs had a mechanic where a player was added to a normal 12 player setup after a day, and that had to go in the theme park, so I doubt very much that this would be any different.-
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Oh please. You and I both know that this is nothing like a mason group. Mason groups normally contain two people. If in a normal game someone started ranting about being a mason with himself, yes, I would be skeptical.
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That's arealstretch though isn't it? The entire strength about mason groups, the one thing that makes them worthwhile is the fact that two people can confirm each other. I could confirm myself to myself now, and it wouldn't have any more weight than what you've tried to do there. The fact that you have two accounts is cute, but it still doesn't go beyond 'I am innocent because I say I am innocent'. Leaving the mafia to deal with you is also a complete avoidance of the issue anytime soon, seeing as you've been scummy enough to last quite a way into this game, and the double account factor will get people twitchy earlier than they probably should be, making you a prime mislynch opportunity.
I do agree there has been relatively little discussion today. Problem is, actually doing any other relevant discussion with an elephant in the room like this. Can't do any harm waiting for non contributors though.-
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I should have just done this from the beginning.
I am Little Nicky, future clone.
I represent two cloned, identical, cats. Because of this, I have two lives. Lynch me and I won't die etc.
My role and Zindies Role are nearidentical. Do you really think that this town has two sets of multiple life townies?
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often used? I assume you're embellishing the truth there, again. When you say 'often used', you mean, 'is not completely unknown'.
There's what? 9, maybe 8 townies in this game? I'm sure you managed to come up with 9 famous cats. And even if he did, he wouldn't use such similar abilities on such similar roles.There are very few famous cats, you know. It's funny because I did a bit of research about famous cats for Kitten Mafia, a game I'm hosting elsewhere.
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This is bizarre. I counterclaim Zindie, and you use it as a point againstmassive wrote:Primate's role claim is ridiculous in the face of a proven similar role, and his role doesn't match his role. Claiming to be a "future clone" (Nicky has already been cloned) and purporting lynch immunity doesn't make sense.methat our roles are too similar? Well, no shit sherlock. That's what a counterclaim is. And I don't have lynch immunity. I have two lives. Lynch me, and I won't die. Cause I still have a life left, y'know? Maybe the reason you got speedlynched in that other game was because you were paying as little attention and making such meaningless points as you are in this one, f.y.i.
No. His is strictly better, and due to it's composition, is much more likely to be held by scum. And are you genuinely saying that there isn't much similarity between townie with two lives vs townie with two lives + two votes? Saying that the fact I don't have have two votes makes our roles different almost seems like it's purposefully making an attempt to miss the larger issue.'PS: Primate's role isn't actually like Zindaras's role, which offers him a second vote as well.
Zindiras acted scummy and was forced to claim, then was counterclaimed, and you guys still give him the benefit of the doubt? How stupid is that? Did you miss the earlier post whereIm very happy with my vote.in the same posthe tried to get me mislynched on a role basis and at the exact same time tried to convince me that both our roles could exist in the same game? And this is double life townie. It's not like it's a common role. And it's not like two of them will exist in the same game on the same side.
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#1: It's not mentioned. Common sense and precedent suggests yes. I will ask though.
#2: From what I gather, only I will be informed. I may be wrong. I'll ask.
#3: I'm probably missing the upside to this being public knowledge. Is there one? Surely it's a good idea to convince the mafia that the first is true, even if it isn't?-
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I would prefer for this to be sorted by tomorrow than to put it off to lynch someone random.
Unless you genuinely believe there to be two townies with two lives in this town, it seems a much more sensible play to lynch one of us today, deal with the other by vig(failing that, lynch) than it does to run up someone else, risk getting a more valuable role to claim, and putting deciding this off until later in the game.
Not to mention the fact that the the question you're asking about relies on the mafia effectively killing a vanilla townie, which isn't exactly bad.-
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1. As soon as Zindie claimed the flavour of being a cloned cat, I knew he was lying, hence the 'complete fabrication'. I then proceeded to try and drive a lynch on him without having to claim fully. I figured that my hinting of role info and the points I was pointing out against him, alongside the way he conducted himself before, and the simple nature of the role, may be enough to lynch him without the legit counterclaim. A townie would not just say 'That's my role!' if it thought it could get a lynch on the target without saying so, especially a role like mine, that could have been targeted by the mafia, allowing me to soak up a kill, something that will now never happen. Are you saying that if a mafioso claims doc, the real doc should immediately come out and counterclaim, without trying to get the person lynched for being a dirty claim-faker first?
And I can be an ass all I want, it doesn't make me any more likely to be scum. You don't seem to understand the 'lynch immunity' thing. I represent two cats, the original and the clone. If you lynch me, a cat will die. But there's still another cat left, so I am still alive. The same will happen if I am nightkilled.
2. Look. Saying that I 'seem to think' is a little off. From my point of view, it is my role, a multiple lives townie, v.s. Zindie's role, a multiple lives townie with both lives in different accounts, two votes, and one account is mod-confirmed. Games rarely include two roles with one strictly superior to the other (with the exception of restricted townies), so from my point of view, Zindie is a very likely scum. Saying that I should look at all of this objectively is something I can try to do, but it's not my natural train of thought.
Objectively, I'd probly think him scum too. There was the things I pointed out, and also the fact that I've never seen a role like his in the hands of a townie, and I've seen identical and similar roles in the hands of a few scum. It's of a similar nature to a roleblocker, as in, there's no reason itcan'tbe more frequently town, it's just it doesn't seem to occur to mods to give it to a townie.
3 just seems an excuse for a cheap shot. You even use 'word in quotation marks to show i dont believe it'. But anyway.
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I'm not entirely sure what you want me to explain. I didn't think this setup would include two townies with such similar abilities. It did. there were other reasons why I thought Zindie scummy, but all were secondary to this fact. I'm not trying to divert the suspicion onto my role here, and I understand that I am 100% responsible for my actions, but there isn't really anything else to explain. You yourself said that you didn't think that two townies like us would be in this game. A fine assumption, and one that is completely wrong, apparently.Glork wrote:Vote: Primateat least until he explains himself.
If the thing you're asking me to explain is why I wasn't vigged last night, then I have absolutely no idea why this was the case. I should have been.-
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Phoebus was Bill Clintons Dog. Thesp was sent to Washington. I mean, I guess it's possible the connection is coincidental , but I'm assuming Phoebes was an SK.Carbon Copy wrote:Yeah, just like I was a safe claim provided by the mod, right?Right?
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There could be a vig. Phoebus was probably a Survivor. I don't understand why Thesp got, well, vigged, apparently.-
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Actually, looking at wiki, you're probably right. Slippers was apparantly a stray cat that hung around the white house during the Clinton Administration. That explains the call.Carbon Copy wrote:Win conditions.
Our goal is to kill the fictional cats, the fictional cats want to kill the actual cats. Therefore, Phoebus, a dog, would not fall under the win conditions put forth.
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You have a list of words that you can use to prove to me that you are who you say you are. Use one or I explain nothing.massive wrote:As to why I'd vote DrippingGoofball ... I don't trust his Z-posting "restriction" and I think the tie to his "claimed role" is incredibly loose at best.
However, I did get to thinking about yesterday and last night, and it dawned on me reading Glork's summation that I do in fact know Primate is lying about his role. Would you like to explain, Primate, or shall we go on the premise of "Lynch All Liars"?
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If he's the person I think he is, he knows exactly why I left the things I did out of my roleclaim, and if he wants me to tell everyone else in the town his role, like his actions would suggest, then I have no quibble doing so.Glork wrote:FoS: Primate
If can't prove he is that person (and it would be really easy to) then, I'm not claiming someone uninvolved role for them.
And considering the minor nature of the thing I left out, I would be very surprised if he's anyone other than that person. Because there's nothing else I lied about, and I doubt this is big enough to be picked up by an investigative role.-
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Post #119 should have made you strongly suspicious of the fact that I was lying, and was meant as a direct comment, to you, to make sure that you knew I was lying and were ok with it.massive wrote:Sorry for the delay, y'all, I was at a monster truck rally.
And contrary to both your points, Primate, I do not think (a) that your lie is merely something that you can brush off nor (b) that your explanation of said lie, if you are town, necessitates explaining what my role is.
And if you look at the 'lies' I made, they were made to disguise the part that your role had to play. If I had claimed my role as is, simply leaving out your involvement, then people would have asked 'how', and then I would have had to claim a large proportion of your role too. And bearing in mind that you know my full role, do you really think it's that different from what I claimed to make me a full-blown liar?
There was the second thing, but the reason I left that out is so blatantly obvious its degrading to bring it up.-
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Do you want to just come out with what you think I was lying about? And I do assume you do now see what my intentions were with post #119? Especially with who I directed it at? You know more than 'a better idea than most', you know my full role, every single little detail of it. Are you saying that you wouldn't have been remotely suspicious, if you had my role, if someone else claimed a multiple life townie? And baring that in mind, how exactly would you counterclaim, under the circumstances? And baringmassive wrote:My role isn't playing any part in your lie, at this moment. Nor, I doubt, will it in the future.
I did not pay any attention to post 119, because, in all honesty, you had been argumentative and grumpy up to that point, and I took your post to just be more of your general mean-spiritedness, and I had no idea what you meant by it, so I passed over it.
I have a better idea than most about your role. I have little-to-no idea about your alignment, save for what the thread has provided me. Looking back at it now, I guess I'm wondering why you would have been so aggressive against Zindaras knowing that your counter-claim was based on a lie.thatin mind, if you were counterclaiming, would you put in the details that would inevitably lead to me having to claim your role? If you say that you wouldn't counterclaim, then fair enough. Posterity proves you right, but I still think it was a mistake.
And my counter-claim was not based on a lie. I am a multiple life townie, Zindie is also one. Call it an overly simplistic view if you want, but I think the obscurity of the two life role made me justified in my view. And there was also the history of the role, and Zindies behaviour, which, I will admit, made me think about it a little less than.
So, then, massive. Feel free to claim my full role for me. I don't think I breadcrumbed the word "Future Clone", but that's a minor point.-
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And my counter-claim was not based on a lie. I am a multiple life townie, Zindie is also one. Call it an overly simplistic view if you want, but I think the obscurity of the two life role made me justified in my view. And there was also the history of the role, and Zindies behaviour, which, I will admit, made me think about it a little less than I should of, as I thought I was hitting scum anyway, so it's not like everything was hinging on the counterclaim from my point of view anyway.-
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Naw, feel free. Claim my role for me, release your point into the open. Unless you're conceding my point about not being able to claim my role without claiming yours, that is?massive wrote:I'm focusing too hard on Primate now and I know I'm missing something. Probably many things. I need to put it out of my mind for a bit, I think. It's obvious no one cares at this time, so it can be tabled.
Am unsure. There was a major point I disliked about Glork when he was pushing the Zindiewagon, DGB seems more in her plotting scum mode than her useless town, and Theopr's last post was godawful. DP's probably town though.Zindaras (7, 0): Glork, DrippingGoofball, theopor_COD, Phoebus, Dragon Phoenix, Thesp, Primate-
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No, massive knows my full role. However, for me to claim, I'd have to claim a large chunk of his role, too. I want to know whether he's ok with that.Primate, what exactly are you saying about Massive? You have to post your posts in preview tohim and he has to approve it or something?
You may, have noticed, dear DGB, that I have actually already claimed. Saying I'm eager to drop the final things left is misled, especially considering they are being used as covert points against me.Primate's eagerness to claim with so little pressure, and so few people asking for it, makes it look he might be scum eager to carry out a pre-arranged plan. Like he made up a claim, and thinks it's brilliant, and can't wait to get it out.
Claiming my full role won't clear me, though. I just think that massive is wrong about my motivations.
I think it's a little odd the mindset of people tying me to Glork, though. I'm not a fan of Glrok this game at all, but considering Glork's gung-ho attitude towards bussing, he would be much more active to lynch me, especially considering I'm a double lifer, if he were scum with me. Glorks not the kind of player to put himself in position like the one he was day 1 then get cold feet about following up day 2.-
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Ok. I'm Little Nicky. My role title is Future Clone. My flavour is that I can clone myself, but I haven't actually got the money to do so myself.
Massive happens to have a large amount of money. I know how much he has, but he should say that, if he wants to. Night one, he gave me $50,000 which I used to clone myself, which I did during day one.
If he decided to give me another $50,000, I could do so again, giving me three lives.
Every night, I get to send a begging letter to Massive in order to get money. He replies with a yes or a no in the morning scene.
The 'lie' I made day one was that I said I was a double life townie, when in actuality I was a single life townie who could easily gain extra lives. The reason I claimed in the way I did was because if I had counterclaimed as 'a townie who could easily gain extra lives', then it was fairly obvious that the next question made by the town would have been "well, how can you gain extra lives", meaning that I would have either had to be hugely vague about the whole thing, or out massive (or thesp, as I thought at the time) as the person writing the messages at the beginning of the day, and the person giving out boons to townies. So instead of saying what I was, I claimed double life townie, figuring that it was't a huge problem, Zindie would come up scum, and I could be in a near confirmed position, maybe a position where the mafia might actually waste two kills on me, only to be surprised by the fact I actually had a third life. That was more of a pipedream, though. They were the two things I lied about. One was obfuscating Massives role, the other was the fact that my top is two when it is really three.
Few other things. In my first begging letter, I subliminally claimed Little Nicky in a fairly unambiguous way, a way I clarified in my second. I also said I wanted $50,000 or $100,000, and that if he knew my name, then he could easily divine my real role. In the begging letter, I also gave a list of words that we could use to recognize each other. One of these words was Spanner, which I aimed directly at thesp (who had claimed the letter-leaver, and I thought was my benefactor), figuring that he would be able to put it together and realise what I was doing. I guess I just I just figured that if I was tiptoeing around the truth, it would be nice if someone I was fairly certain was pro-town knew exactly what I was doing.
I'll ask the mod if I can post my begging letters, seeing as I wrote them.
(also, this is why I think massive is pro-town. I don't see any scum giving abilities to pro-town people without having any idea what they do, when they could easily just decide not to, and retain their anonymity. The chance of randomly giving someone a cop investigation could be too much. Aside from the fact that a scum with the role he has would just be really lame.)
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Oh ok. I don't know for certain that Massive is the person leaving the letters. I was just assuming. It seemed to fit, and there was the thing that the exact same letter dropped in the street contained a similar gimmick to the one I had just sent in a PM to massive. .I figured that there were three people who wanted money, and that was massives approval/disapproval for giving them it. I could be wrong.-
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I'm hardly tripping over myself as I go along. I claimed Little Nicky in a PM to massive night one, and I wanted $50,000 from him, the exact same amount that the real life little nicky needed to clone himself. If I'm making this up, I would have had to invent this all up night one, had my false claim down pat from the moment I sent that PM to massive. Not saying it's impossible, but it does prove I'm not making this up as I go along, like you suggest.
And you're a dumbass if you're saying "We already know that Zindie and Carbon Copy are the cloned cats." like it some kind of major revelation. That's what the entirety of day one was about.
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It appeared on the album Showbiz and the little Nicky Soundtrack. Feel free to try and come up with anything else it could mean. And I was saying that once you know what it is, it is fairly ambiguous, as in it couldn't really be anything else.1. The initial claim of Little Nicky from the first PM is NOT "fairly unambiguous", as it's a string of letters that make zero practical sense without the explanation from the second PM. The second PM claims that the Muse song that the string of letters is from is featured prominently in, I guess, the Adam Sandler movie of the same name ... I've never seen it. But it also appears on one of their other albums ... but I'm not a Muse fan either, so it's all just a matter of pushing the "I Believe" button here.
Massive, I pretty much flat out disagree with you that the roles are completely different. You could say the same thing about a full rolecop and a normal cop being 'totally different roles' because they do entirely different things, but it doesn't make it any more likely that they will be in the same game together.2. I can't imagine why Primate would know how much money I have.
I don't think, had I been Primate, that I would have been so gung-ho about lynching Zindaras / Carbon Copy. The two roles aren't just different, they're COMPLETELY different. I mean, we're talking "two bodies" v. "can buy extra lives" -- it's not even close. It just doesn't follow if Primate is a townie. Sure, you can try and pressure to get him lynched, but falsely counterclaiming to do so seems like a real stretch, and while I've not played with Primate before, he doesn't seem like a bad enough player to think (a) we wouldn't eventually notice the dissimilarities and (b) that, if Zindaras / Carbon Copy came up town, that we wouldn't try and lynch him next, thus tying up the town in unfruitful lynches for what would most likely be days.
However, if Primate is Mafia, then Primate knew Day One that he was going to have at least ONE extra life because I paid him $50K ... so he knew, no matter what, that at the end of Day One that no one would have any info on him. He could put his neck out, and if he got lynched, it would be no problem -- he could talk the town into lynching Zindaras / Carbon Copy the next day, and probably get a third life from me, and by then it would be WAY too late for the town to recover.
I do, generally, get more the feeling that THAT is how things were supposed to go down.
And you seem to be pretty much ignoring the flavour aspect. Zindaras claimed two utterly autonomous cats. He also claimed that these two cats had that autonomy because of the fact they were cloned. However, I 'knew' that Zindie was lying out of his ass, because I also happened to represent two identical cloned cats, andthat is. Cloning gives you extra lives.notwhat cloning does in this game
I'm a little bemused as to how, in your plan, you make sense of me getting a third life from you at a time when it was very unlikely you would give it. Also the way you put forward it as this totally awesome scum plan when it involves me getting myself lynched twice in exchange for one town mislynch.
PS: I love the way people are treating a mafia role that could have three lives day 1 in a mini game like it's plausible.
Also, I got a PM back from the mod. He basically said that if I had lost a life, it would be in there. Seeing as how it's not in there, I guess I didn't lose a life.-
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Yeah, you're right. Having the lives later is pretty much the same. It's a holdover from an argument I was earlier planning on making. Basically, if the person in massives role gave me all the money n1 and we had 12 people to begin with, then it would put the town in lynch or lose day 1, which is ridiculous. Assuming that Phoebus is a survivor who sided with scum, it could mean that the town would have already lost by day 1, never getting a chance to lynch scum. That said, though, we didn't start with 12, we started with 13. The arguments not entirely moot, as it would still mean that the mafia could numerically match the town day 2, which is a little implausible, but there is obvious a non-mafia killer out there, and considering that the mafia would very likely have to out themselves in order to do it, it's not implausible to suggest that there are mechanisms to deal with that.Miztef wrote:
What do you mean? That 3 lives on a later day is much more plausible? I tend to believe it impossible that anyone could have more then 2 lives, unless the game had a severe way of balancing that. (extra lynches, lots of NKers, etc.)primate wrote: PS: I love the way people are treating a mafia role that could have three lives day 1 in a mini game like it's plausible.
So yeah, that's the argument I was touching on with that paragraph, but it fell a little short, so I didn't include it.
@Theo: Does your kill method match up with either of the two people who died?-
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Dun work. Bertrand said that I would recieve a faux death scene if I had lost a life. The kill was prevented by other means doc/roleblock etc.Glork wrote:I also don't understand why "Theo 'killed' Primate, but since Primate has an extra life, he didn't actually die" isn't what you are tentatively going with, though I probably missed something in the last few pages.
Suppose Theo "killed" Primate who didn't die due to his extra life. Suppose DGB was roleblocked. Suppose somebody can grant double-votes and just doesn't want to claim right now. Is this so far-fetched?
Number one is that we know that there are no vanilla townies in this game. I also don't think that a vampiric role of that nature, in the hands of scum, would take the players vote.Skruffs wrote:All of your theories are possible, but it's also possible theo is a mafia thug who gets abilities from people he kills - and if he killed a townie, who's only 'ability' is his vote, than that ALSO Explains his double vote. Why are you *not* curious about that?
Also, no I don't think I have voted yet today.vote DGBcause I may as well test it.
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It's a little annoying that no-one has actually put forward any reason against me that they could actually be held accountable for tomorrow. Bar massive, the arguments are really vague as to why I'm actually being lynched. there's the whole counterclaim thing, but no-ones really brought that up as a reason. People have just been drawing links between me and other people, talking about consequences of me being scum, etc, without actually backing up why they think I'm scum in the first place.
I would fight more, but I don't really have the time at the minute. If I get time, I'll get myself all fired up, like I probly should be, but I doubt I will have it.-
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